15:45:17 RRSAgent has joined #pf 15:45:17 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/06-pf-irc 15:45:19 RRSAgent, make logs member 15:45:21 Zakim, this will be WAI_PF 15:45:21 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes 15:45:22 Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 15:45:22 Date: 06 August 2014 15:45:29 agenda? 15:45:38 zakim, clear agenda 15:45:41 agenda cleared 15:45:45 Meeting: PFWG telecon 15:45:45 Chair: Janina 15:45:45 agenda: this 15:45:45 agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes 15:45:45 agenda+ Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/07/23-pf-minutes.html 15:45:48 agenda+ TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ 15:45:50 agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open 15:45:53 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD 15:45:55 agenda+ MAUR Update 15:45:58 agenda+ Issues and Actions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0048.html 15:46:01 agenda+ CSS Device Adaptation http://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt/ 15:46:03 agenda+ Events Enumeration http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0034.html 15:46:06 agenda+ Spec Introductions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0025.html 15:46:09 agenda+ CSS Overview Redux [See Below] 15:46:12 agenda+ ARIA.Next Items 15:46:14 agenda+ Other Task Force Updates 15:46:17 agenda+ Community Groups Checkin http://www.w3.org/community/groups/ 15:46:19 agenda+ Enhanced Mail Archiver https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013AprJun/0442.html 15:46:22 agenda+ Other Business 15:46:25 agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273 15:46:28 agenda+ be done 15:58:35 WAI_PF()12:00PM has now started 15:58:42 +??P8 15:58:52 zakim, ??P8 is me 15:58:52 +janina; got it 15:59:01 zakim, next item 15:59:01 agendum 2. "Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/07/23-pf-minutes.html" taken up [from janina] 15:59:11 zakim, close this item 15:59:11 agendum 2 closed 15:59:12 I see 16 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:59:12 3. TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ [from janina] 15:59:17 zakim, take up item 1 15:59:18 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 15:59:26 agenda? 16:01:35 +??P1 16:03:13 LisaSeeman has joined #pf 16:03:39 +??P43 16:04:08 zakim, ??P1 is Lisa_Seeman 16:04:09 +Lisa_Seeman; got it 16:04:48 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Aug/0008.html 16:10:14 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/GitHub 16:14:32 +Cynthia_Shelly 16:14:37 -Cynthia_Shelly 16:14:48 +John_Foliot 16:15:11 +Cynthia_Shelly 16:15:16 JF has joined #PF 16:17:02 scribe: JF 16:17:08 zakim, agenda? 16:17:08 I see 16 items remaining on the agenda: 16:17:09 3. TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ [from janina] 16:17:09 4. Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open [from janina] 16:17:09 5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD [from janina] 16:17:09 6. MAUR Update [from janina] 16:17:09 7. Issues and Actions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0048.html [from janina] 16:17:10 8. CSS Device Adaptation http://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt/ [from janina] 16:17:11 9. Events Enumeration http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0034.html [from janina] 16:17:11 10. Spec Introductions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0025.html [from janina] 16:17:11 11. CSS Overview Redux [from See Below via janina] 16:17:11 12. ARIA.Next Items [from janina] 16:17:11 13. Other Task Force Updates [from janina] 16:17:12 14. Community Groups Checkin http://www.w3.org/community/groups/ [from janina] 16:17:14 15. Enhanced Mail Archiver https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013AprJun/0442.html [from janina] 16:17:14 16. Other Business [from janina] 16:17:14 17. next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273 [from janina] 16:17:14 18. be done [from janina] 16:17:35 zakim, take up item 2 16:17:35 agendum 2. "Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/07/23-pf-minutes.html" taken up [from janina] 16:19:17 RESOLUTION: Publish meeting minutes of 7/16 as submitted 16:20:19 RESOLUTION: Publish meeting minutes of 7/23 as submitted 16:20:38 zakim, take up item 1 16:20:38 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 16:21:19 CYNS: last week MS had a hackathon / product fair. Many hacks were related to a11y - huge positive momentum 16:21:52 CYNS: Can share a few public things, most still internal, but huge positive buzz 16:22:52 JS: just in case some are unaware, Apple has signalled intent to file FO on @longdesc 16:22:56 zakim, next item 16:22:56 agendum 3. "TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/" taken up [from janina] 16:23:15 -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/tp2014 TPAC meeting page 16:23:32 MC: not yet formally announced, but have set up a meeting page for PF for this year's TPAC 16:23:43 MC: only 4 people have registered so far 16:25:00 MC: rate goes up 8 Oct, and deadline is 18 Oct 16:25:22 JS: we are the Thursday / Friday 16:26:04 JF: asking about working with CSS WQG 16:26:14 s/WQG/WG 16:26:58 MC: confirming that CSS WG are meeting Mon / Tues 16:27:11 JS: we need to work out an agenda and approach them ASAP 16:28:08 JS: Lots of up-in-the-air items - we need to start coordinating this quickly 16:28:39 JF: suggest that we send out an email and start blocking this out in the next week or two 16:28:52 JS: hope to have this nailed down by Labor Day (Sept 1) 16:29:01 zakim, next item 16:29:01 agendum 4. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina] 16:29:14 zakim, talke up next item 16:29:14 I don't understand 'talke up next item', JF 16:29:23 zakim, take up next item 16:29:23 agendum 4 was just opened, JF 16:29:57 JS, CYNS: both been very busy last few days 16:30:33 action-1479 due 13 August 16:30:33 Set action-1479 Review content security policy level 2 http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-csp2-20140703/ due date to 2014-08-13. 16:30:44 MC: deadline for comments to Jame's review of Security Policy is next week 16:30:45 action-1480 due 13 August 16:30:45 Set action-1480 Review content security policy level 2 http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-csp2-20140703/ due date to 2014-08-13. 16:30:55 JS: top priority for next wednesday's call 16:31:44 close action-1483 16:31:44 Closed action-1483. 16:32:19 CYNS: getting caught up on outstanding items this week 16:32:34 zakim, take up next item 16:32:34 agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD" taken up [from janina] 16:32:52 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-WAET-20140724/ Developers' Guide to Features of Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools 16:33:03 MC: very little due to last week's publishing moratorium 16:33:27 MC: Shadi and Co. have a new work, from evaluation methodology 16:33:45 JS: good to see, likely will be a good resource 16:33:50 MC: already quite rich 16:34:00 zakim, take up next item 16:34:00 agendum 6. "MAUR Update" taken up [from janina] 16:34:28 JS: still open and outstanding - need response from Judy 16:35:03 JS: beleive we are ready from content perspective, but Judy needs to clear some details 16:35:18 s/beleive/believe 16:35:56 zakim, take up next item 16:35:56 agendum 7. "Issues and Actions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0048.html" taken up [from janina] 16:36:47 JS: just want to be sure everyone is aware of Michael 16:36:53 's summary 16:39:23 zakim, take up next item 16:39:23 agendum 8. "CSS Device Adaptation http://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt/" taken up [from janina] 16:39:55 JS: there is a spec in CSS that includes a provision that effectively prevents some devices fromzooming 16:40:15 been around for several years, but has been in working draft status 16:40:29 yet we are now hearing that it is being implemented 16:41:05 that's an issue we need to investigate, but the larger issue is the impact of early publications that move slowing at W3C, but quickly at implementors level 16:41:26 likely no resolution today, but we need to discuss this at length 16:41:40 returning to the specific spec, what are we to do now? 16:42:34 CYNS: with the new CR combined process, this is ging to be the new normal, right? 16:42:59 MC: not sure if the process directly influences this, but yes, there seems that this will be the tendancy 16:44:06 CYNS: point is, by the time something reaches LC, it is likely already in a working, mainstream browser 16:44:23 MC: correct, but this 1st PWD already had implementations on the ground 16:44:46 CYNS: perhaps we need a protocol between staff contacts to keep information flowing 16:45:04 JS: this is supposed to be happening at the Mgmt level and charters 16:45:30 MC: there is a bit of a catch there as well - some groups seem to manage to add new deliverables without rechartering 16:46:34 MC: the issue here was that the idea gained some significant momentum before it even reached W3C 16:48:14 MC: this is about Zoom: for example if you set zoom-minimum and zoom-maximum both to =1, then it effectively halst zooming 16:48:25 s/halst/halts 16:49:07 CYNS: perhaps we need to work with our contacts at the various browser vendors to ensure that these things can get caught at that level too 16:49:22 CYNS: noting similar larg-org communication issues exist everywhere 16:50:22 JS: we need to flag our concern about this early and flag our concerns 16:50:37 JS: hope to put up some draft language on next weeks call 16:50:50 CYNS: and ask for the use-cases 16:52:09 -Cynthia_Shelly 16:53:21 jcraig has joined #pf 16:54:06 [meta discussion on technology versus awareness of a11y] 16:56:05 If there is any time, can you review a few pending actions? 16:56:12 action-931? 16:56:13 action-931 -- James Craig to Drive working with CSS on how various mouse cursor options should be chosen -- due 2012-01-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW 16:56:13 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/931 16:56:21 action-932? 16:56:21 action-932 -- James Craig to Explore CSS generated content more -- due 2012-01-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW 16:56:21 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/932 16:56:44 no worries if you're out of time 16:56:57 james, can you jnoin the call? 16:57:12 92473# 16:58:02 +James_Craig 16:58:28 JS: noting that there is a lot of action around CSS these days 16:59:00 JC: think these items should be closed, have been getting feedback from CSS WG 16:59:58 JS: think that the group should review these, as we are looking at a larger CSS approach - will add these to next weeks agenda 17:00:06 JS: thanks 17:00:19 -John_Foliot 17:00:28 rrsagent, make logs public 17:00:29 -Lisa_Seeman 17:00:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:00:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/06-pf-minutes.html JF 17:00:42 zakim, list attendees 17:00:42 As of this point the attendees have been janina, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, Cynthia_Shelly, John_Foliot, James_Craig 17:00:47 rrsagent, make minutes 17:00:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/06-pf-minutes.html MichaelC 17:00:57 WAI_PF()12:00PM has been moved to #pf-editors by MichaelC 17:01:02 zakim, please part 17:01:02 Zakim has left #pf 17:01:10 rrsagent, please part 17:01:10 I see no action items