<trackbot> Date: 09 July 2014

<janina_> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference

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TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/

Janina notes that TPAC 2014 registration is open and we are expecting business to conduct at the meeting.

Related Web Apps Activity http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html

Web Apps and another group, Janina notes, have started working on content editing and have expressed interest in collaborating with us in connection with events.

Cynthia: The Web Apps working group has noted difficulties associated with having Web developers respond to low-level events. The proposal is to allow applications to define their own events. There is overlap between the events they have proposed and those in the IndieUI spec. Web Apps are aware of this overlap and have an interest in cooperation.

Responding to Katie, Cynthia isn't sure what the best arrangement for collaboration would be - this remains to be decided.

<MichaelC> FW: Editing TF and list

Cynthia: Web Apps meeting 11 July at 1500 UTC.

<cyns> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-editing-tf/2014Jul/0008.html

Janina can possibly attend the meeting and notes the desirability of collaborating to solve this problem. Janina notes that accessibility is far from the only use case for abstract events, and we are eager for wider participation, noting the historical (but not current) participation of the Web Events working group.

<janina_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jul/0013.html

<cyns> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html

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Cynthia notes related work on keyboard events of which we ought to be aware.

<cyns> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2014AprJun/0213.html

Responding to questions, Cynthia notes that it's partly concerned with function keys (home, end, delete, etc.).

Rich notes that our events are even more abstract, but acknowledges the overlap with our work and the significance of portability.

Janina notes also that there is interest in controlling media players.

Replying to Rich, Cynthia clarifies that the content editing events are intended to be independent of the input device used.

Cynthia notes that input methods are evolving rapidly, hence abstractly defined events are of growing importance.

Janina is concerned that we should continue working our spec toward a version 1.0 release, but also recognizes the value of real-world implementation and experience. Thus we should collaborate with minimal impact on the process schedule.

Janina is encouraged by the wider interest which the need to work on events is now attracting.

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

User Context Requirements

-> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/User_Context/Requirements User Context Draft Requirements

Requirements doc on TR doesn´t yet have user context requirements

need to add them and republish that

not sure what in the requirements doc is 1.0

and what is later

Andy did some triaging

we had some algorithm for that

we haven´t discussed these for a while

what´s in the spec represents a view of requirements

we have agreed implicitly to the requirements behind what´s in the spec

the requirements are pretty 1:1 with the proposed properties

a higher level view of requirements would help decide how to sort topics

might require a walk-through with the group

still open question about how much we want to incorporate existing external vocabularies

vs. constrain what we ask of implementers

extensibility mechanism may or may not be part of the picture

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