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<trackbot> Date: 27 June 2014
<kw> 1. /invite rrsagent
<scribe> scribenick: jeanne
<kathyw> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140512_survey/results#xq21
KW: We have already talked about this issue and IndieUI
JA: If IndieUI was supported,
that would allow this to be met, but if you didn't use a device
independent method, you would have to work with these
versions.
... there would be other ways to meet it with the platform,
like iOS Switch Access
KW: Detlev was it was too hard to write test procedures for it.
JS: Jan said it was a duplicate of #1
Resolution: Duplicate
JA: It goes beyond WCAG, i think it should be a best practice
KW: I'm not sure what we are solving
JS: It is blocking responsive design, it could increase problems for people with low vision. I could see same navigation across orientation as a best practise for people who are targeting an audience with certain cognitive disabilities.
KW: Where should we place it?
JA: This is from the Funka Nu gap analysis.
KW: 2.1.1 for keyboard
KW: Comments from Jon and Detlev recommend it as sufficient technique under 2.4.8 AAA
JS: Recommend tighting up the wording
RESOLUTION: 22 as a Sufficient technique under SC 2.4.8 AAA and fix the wording when we work on it.
<jon_avila> *my audio is not working correctly. I am going to try to call in again.
KW: Detlev said "should be more descriptive, I guess what is menat is "Provide vertical navigation mechanisms that work without horizontal scolling on narrow width screens )whih I admit may be too wordy)"
JS: I don't think it should be ruled out, particularly for people working with fixed orientation portrait mode
KW: I can't see anyone doing this
because it would cause such a bad user experience. I don't
think we should add something to the guidelines for unique
cases.
... I recommend dropping it
JS: +1
<jon_avila> * I'm having trouble getting into the audio system now -- it says the passcode is invalid
<kathyw> I just dropped
<kathyw> calling back in
RESOLUTION: drop #23
<jon_avila> * passcode is 6283# right?
<kathyw> yes
botie, tell Kim we miss you
<botie> jeanne: what?
botie, inform Kim we hope you had a great vacation
<botie> will do
<botie> i already had it that way, jeanne.
KW: jon remarked that it was
already in 2.4.5
... are there any things that are different for mobile?
... can we say this is already covered under 2.4.5?
RESOLUTION: Sufficient technique already covered under 2.4.5
KW: This describes the "hamberger" menu icon to indicate whether or not a menu is open or if there is information available under it.
JA: If it is ambiguous for
everyone, it is not really an accessibility issue, except
possibly for people with cognitive issues
... visually, what happens when the menu is closed, the icon is
the same. If the menu is open, then the icon moves or has some
visual indication
... would this be advisory or sufficient?
KW: This would be a case where
ArIA haspopup or ARIA expanded as a technique
... it's not necessarily apparent whether this should be
apparent on a mobile device
JA: I could support it as a
sufficient, but not a failure
... we are talking about whether the user knows it is expanded
or collapsed
... aria-expanded can only be used in [list]
... if people used valid markup, @@
... it would be ambiguous to users who can't see
KW: Make a sufficient technique under 4.1.2
TB: I think it should also go under 1.3.1
KW: I think of 1.3.1 as semantic, but I can see it in both places
RESOLUTION: #25 as
a sufficient technique under 4.1.2 and 1.3.1
... #26 is a duplicate
KW: It's already a technique
under 1.4.4
... we can addresss Detlev's comment when we actually work on
it.
RESOLUTION: Sufficient technique under 1.4.4
Kw: [reads comments]
RESOLUTION: Change wording of #13 to match #28 and consider them duplicates.
<botie> jeanne: that doesn't look right
No meeting 4 July
Next meeting 11 July, we will start with #29
trackbot, end meeting
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