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<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
<Lisa_Seeman> ??P0 is Lisa_Seeman
<janina> akim, ??P6 is me
<Liddy> I can't volunteer because my line drops regularly, sorry
<Liddy> I can try
<MichaelC> scribe: Liddy
<janina> scribe: liddy
<MichaelC> scribe: Liddy
LS: struggling to get scribe
LS; main agenda item is prelim review for dyscalcula etc to see how to do it - no need to be perfect yet
LS: CSun breakfast reservation for Wednesday breakfast
<Lisa_Seeman> ??+1.502.632.aaaa is Elle
DR: quick update - looking at
usability processes and remapping them esp Canadian design
processes
... we used to look at this from usability perspective so it's
a place to start, we think. Feedback welcome
DF: the work's not ready yet - more to be done
DR: Katie has some ideas about this and can talk next week
<neilmilliken> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyscalculia
NM: put up some things with
colleague - collated sparce info re dyscalculia - not a lot out
there
... cognitive functions and descriptions and problems
... feedback often that people like the Web and say they don't
have problems but when doing something they demonstrate they do
- but not with text etc
... we put some use cases - booking a train ticket is important
because pften such people don't drive
... time etc can cause problems, as can multiple bookings,
using time or money, ...
... person explained she used 'purples' - big notes o there
will be change rather than working out whan to pay...
... putting in credit card numbers etc can be tricky,
passwords, etc
... putting govt services online will mean increasing
difficulties
... online banking problems - login, random digits, choosing
how much to transfer, extrra 0's, etc
... setting up account, browsing OK but selecting amount
(quantity) is hard
... helping people by setting limits etc might be good
... maybe quidelines etc for helpers
... assistive techs are not plentiful -
... people seem to think of the Web as an escape so they don't
identify with their problem until they need to do something
LS: this will get worse as online
increases
... I'd like a use case for a Web of things interface - eg TV
with arrows up and down
NM: controls are often analog eg for temp have blue and red for hot and cold to avoid numbers
LS: good if we find things we can solve
NM: supermarket problems should be solvable eg with pictograms, small/medium/large
LS: brainstorming solutions is good
<neilmilliken> lost audio
LS: finding way to solve problems
is good
... very good work, Neil, thank you
... are there examples of unnecessary things causing a
barrier?
Suzanne: when looking for solutions, let's find ones that are useful to everyone eg comparison of price
<neilmilliken> I am sure that it could be beneficial for many
Suzanne: that might help getting ideas adopted
LS: (unchaired) first we need to find solutions and not worry if we can't make them for everyone
Suzanne: people with disabilities are more often just having something more than others - not uniquely
??: in solving some problems we often do help extra people
NM?: one person has husband who does not like her shopping online because she buys too much unknowingly - some problems are common
JR: I have a person with expertise and will ask for feedback
<neilmilliken> Thanks John
OK
I'll try
<Lisa_Seeman> Liddy: access for all
<janina> scribe: lisa
<Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Mar/0002.html
<Lisa_Seeman> Liddy: access for all metadate on prefrences
<Lisa_Seeman> descriptions of preffrence
<Lisa_Seeman> descriptions of resources
I'll scribe again'
<Lisa_Seeman> eg - tempritures provide slide interface
<janina> scribe: liddy
LS: opening floor re what we need
in a tech review
... do we want examples of how the tech helps etc?
I can add to my tech review - just couldn't get on wiki ...
Suzanne: yes, the more detail we have the better
<neilmilliken> agree
<Lisa_Seeman> do we want more details - worked example of 1, were it can help, and 2. gaps- what may need to be added / augmented
Suzanne: what about order - what should be review first? tech, problems?
LS: good question, perhaps cyclic
and to move adhead we have to work with what we have
... if people can contribute we should make it possible
Suzanne: eg for APIP I can do it now but then will want to review what I have done
LS: in tech review - how it can help, how it can be augmented etc? do we want that?
yes
LS: silence is yes here
<Lisa_Seeman> RESOLVED: tech reviews to include details - worked example of 1, were it can help, and 2. gaps- what may need to be added / augmented - but there is space for "to be added"
<neilmilliken> rich what are the issues?
LS: I can review WCAG? or someone else?
<Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Feb/0041.html
LS: starting but maybe not enough
time...
... work done before Task Force set up so preliminary
... I identified things online about how useful tech is from
perspective of cog disabilities and then looked for global
issues
... WCAG is gold standard and the more we can work in with
existing checkpoints the better for adoption
... this is a WCAG Task Force so a good approach
... important techniques for cog are likelt to be AAA or just
recs and this is because they may not be testable but this
means we can't say 'this is really important for ...
people'
... 'nice to have' might be advisory but essential for
some
... how can the necesity be indicated?
... we might want to discuss this with WCAG - it is my 'big'
issue
... comments re text alternatives - might be better if short
and understandable and not jargon
... eg 'homepage' is Web jargon
... Neilson report on aging shows many don't understand even
'homepage'
Janina: times getting funny for international calls . US going to daylight time...pls check times
LS: time's up - any
comments?
... closing but text alt is an issue ..
<neilmilliken> I dont think it's alt text per say liddy
<neilmilliken> its the different weight of importance placed upon recommendations dependent on difficulty
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