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13:45:59 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-xhtml-irc
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13:46:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:46:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:46:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start now
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13:46:04 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:46:04 <trackbot> Date: 10 June 2009
13:46:11 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:46:14 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:46:18 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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13:46:20 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:46:34 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa
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13:46:38 <Zakim> - +1.763.767.aaaa
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13:46:40 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa
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13:47:26 <Zakim> + +04670602aabb
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13:47:38 <mgylling> Zakim, aabb is Markus
Markus Gylling: Zakim, aabb is Markus ←
13:47:38 <Zakim> +Markus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Markus; got it ←
13:47:41 <Tina> Could someone remind me of that number again ...
Tina Holmboe: Could someone remind me of that number again ... ←
13:48:38 <MoZ> Zakim, what is the code ?
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Scribe problem: the name 'MoZ' does not match any of the 24 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Mohamed ZERGAOUI Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown MoZ: Zakim, what is the code ? ←
13:48:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ ←
13:49:28 <Zakim> +MoZ
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13:49:33 <Zakim> + +0468645aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0468645aacc ←
13:49:40 <Tina> Zakim, aacc is Tina
Tina Holmboe: Zakim, aacc is Tina ←
13:49:40 <Zakim> +Tina; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina; got it ←
13:51:47 <mgylling> scribe: Markus
(Scribe set to Markus Gylling)
13:51:48 <Steven> Scribe: Markus
13:52:04 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0007.html
13:53:07 <mgylling> Topic: PER Issues
13:53:08 <ShaneM> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html
Shane McCarron: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html ←
13:53:57 <mgylling> Issue: 9716
ISSUE: 9716 ←
13:53:58 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-6 - 9716 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/6/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-6 - 9716 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/6/edit . ←
13:54:32 <mgylling> Shane: 9716 marked as closed
Shane McCarron: 9716 marked as closed ←
13:55:13 <mgylling> Shane: its the same comment as Hickson made
Shane McCarron: its the same comment as Hickson made ←
13:55:35 <mgylling> Shane to send a reply to 9716 issuer
Shane to send a reply to 9716 issuer ←
13:56:04 <mgylling> Subtopic: issue 480
13:57:05 <mgylling> Shane: form and image elements not having a name attribute - we discussed this in the context of 1.0. 1.1 which is based on 1.0 strict also doesnt have name on form and image.
Shane McCarron: form and image elements not having a name attribute - we discussed this in the context of 1.0. 1.1 which is based on 1.0 strict also doesnt have name on form and image. ←
13:57:21 <mgylling> Steven: related to 8415
Steven Pemberton: related to 8415 ←
13:57:31 <mgylling> MoZ: Agree, they are related
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Unknown MoZ: Agree, they are related ←
13:58:04 <mgylling> Markus: do we have a legacy reasons to maintain these in 1.1
Markus Gylling: do we have a legacy reasons to maintain these in 1.1 ←
13:58:35 <mgylling> Shane: Yes - HTML DOM creates named entires for the based on name attribute, not id attributes
Shane McCarron: Yes - HTML DOM creates named entires for the based on name attribute, not id attributes ←
13:58:44 <mgylling> ... but perhaps this is not true in modern browsers
... but perhaps this is not true in modern browsers ←
13:59:37 <mgylling> The comment (480) says theres a typo; that we are not correctly representing the removal; not suggesting reintroduction.
The comment (480) says theres a typo; that we are not correctly representing the removal; not suggesting reintroduction. ←
14:01:18 <mgylling> ACTION: Steven to ask Alessio to tell us if HTML DOM still requires @name on form and image
ACTION: Steven to ask Alessio to tell us if HTML DOM still requires @name on form and image ←
14:01:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Ask Alessio to tell us if HTML DOM still requires @name on form and image [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-06-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-85 - Ask Alessio to tell us if HTML DOM still requires @name on form and image [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-06-17]. ←
14:02:16 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 489
14:02:54 <mgylling> Shane: this is fixed.
Shane McCarron: this is fixed. ←
14:03:02 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 478
14:03:09 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec13
Steven Pemberton: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec13 ←
14:03:52 <Steven> I mean: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec13
Steven Pemberton: I mean: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec13 ←
14:04:18 <mgylling> Shane: in MOD we call it the tables module. In XHTML 1.1 its called the table module.
Shane McCarron: in MOD we call it the tables module. In XHTML 1.1 its called the table module. ←
14:04:46 <mgylling> Steven: editorial. Change the reference from 1.1 to MOD
Steven Pemberton: editorial. Change the reference from 1.1 to MOD ←
14:05:04 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 469
14:05:05 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec14
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec14 ←
14:05:28 <mgylling> Shane: these items are corrected.
Shane McCarron: these items are corrected. ←
14:05:40 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 584
14:05:41 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec15
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec15 ←
14:06:45 <mgylling> Steven: same as 478, modify the reference from 1.1 to MOD
Steven Pemberton: same as 478, modify the reference from 1.1 to MOD ←
14:08:21 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 6288
14:08:22 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec16
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec16 ←
14:09:07 <mgylling> Shane: the submitter is correct that somehow XMLNAMES became informatively referenced. Fixed.
Shane McCarron: the submitter is correct that somehow XMLNAMES became informatively referenced. Fixed. ←
14:09:13 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 6933
14:09:15 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec17
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec17 ←
14:10:12 <mgylling> Shane: think all assertions are now marked as such.
Shane McCarron: think all assertions are now marked as such. ←
14:10:19 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 582
14:10:21 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec18
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec18 ←
14:11:42 <mgylling> Shane: 1.0's IMPLIED base @href does not make sense.
Shane McCarron: 1.0's IMPLIED base @href does not make sense. ←
14:12:00 <mgylling> Steven: does the submitters use of frame references work in browsers?
Steven Pemberton: does the submitters use of frame references work in browsers? ←
14:13:05 <mgylling> Steven: comment needs to be passed on to next version of XHTMLMOD, we cannot change it in 1.1.
Steven Pemberton: comment needs to be passed on to next version of XHTMLMOD, we cannot change it in 1.1. ←
14:13:23 <mgylling> Steven: He is right, but one could use href="" and achieve the same effect.
Steven Pemberton: He is right, but one could use href="" and achieve the same effect. ←
14:14:05 <mgylling> Shane: @target is not in 1.1 right?
Shane McCarron: @target is not in 1.1 right? ←
14:15:07 <mgylling> Shane: the 2007 1.1 included @target, but was removed before PER
Shane McCarron: the 2007 1.1 included @target, but was removed before PER ←
14:16:05 <mgylling> Steven: but at last moment it was added to basic. At the PER transition call, we were asked to add it into 1.1 to make sure basic remains a proper subset. On the basis of that argumentation, we could add @target.
Steven Pemberton: but at last moment it was added to basic. At the PER transition call, we were asked to add it into 1.1 to make sure basic remains a proper subset. On the basis of that argumentation, we could add @target. ←
14:18:37 <mgylling> Shane: confirming that @target is in the 2007 version of the 1.1 DTD
Shane McCarron: confirming that @target is in the 2007 version of the 1.1 DTD ←
14:19:21 <mgylling> Steven: was wrong about @target and basic, it was inputmode that was discussed
Steven Pemberton: was wrong about @target and basic, it was inputmode that was discussed ←
14:19:32 <mgylling> Shane: which is also not in the PER
Shane McCarron: which is also not in the PER ←
14:21:06 <mgylling> Steven: what do we do with target?
Steven Pemberton: what do we do with target? ←
14:21:57 <mgylling> MoZ: think its not the aim of a new edition to change, unless DTD is not in harmony with prose.
Scribe problem: the name 'MoZ' does not match any of the 24 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Mohamed ZERGAOUI Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown MoZ: think its not the aim of a new edition to change, unless DTD is not in harmony with prose. ←
14:23:07 <mgylling> Steven: while we agree with this change, the current edition is not about making changes to the language, this issue will get marked as an issue for a future version
Steven Pemberton: while we agree with this change, the current edition is not about making changes to the language, this issue will get marked as an issue for a future version ←
14:24:24 <mgylling> Steven: second issue in 582
Steven Pemberton: second issue in 582 ←
14:25:14 <mgylling> Shane: form a reply
Shane McCarron: form a reply ←
14:25:23 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 6909
14:25:25 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec19
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec19 ←
14:26:07 <mgylling> Shane: already fixed.
Shane McCarron: already fixed. ←
14:26:14 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 650
14:26:17 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec20
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec20 ←
14:26:41 <mgylling> Shane: already discussed in the context of 1.0
Shane McCarron: already discussed in the context of 1.0 ←
14:27:33 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec8
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec8 ←
14:28:23 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html#item22
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html#item22 ←
14:29:47 <mgylling> Steven: issue is on the wrong spec; to be moved to XHTMLMOD
Steven Pemberton: issue is on the wrong spec; to be moved to XHTMLMOD ←
14:30:04 <mgylling> Subtopic: Issue 651
14:30:05 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec21
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec21 ←
14:31:12 <mgylling> Editorial fix with no objections.
Editorial fix with no objections. ←
14:31:38 <mgylling> Topic: Next steps
14:31:52 <mgylling> Steven: done with 1.0 and 1.1. Are there any issues on basic and print?
Steven Pemberton: done with 1.0 and 1.1. Are there any issues on basic and print? ←
14:32:07 <mgylling> Shane: none on print.
Shane McCarron: none on print. ←
14:33:25 <mgylling> Steven: basic spec says to send comments to www-html-editor. One comment:
Steven Pemberton: basic spec says to send comments to www-html-editor. One comment: ←
14:33:44 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0002.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0002.html ←
14:35:51 <mgylling> Shane: fixed those typos.
Shane McCarron: fixed those typos. ←
14:36:26 <mgylling> Steven: will go through Bjoerns email for any additional issues.
Steven Pemberton: will go through Bjoerns email for any additional issues. ←
14:37:34 <mgylling> Steven: modulo Bjoerns latest comments, we think that we have dealt with all issues
Steven Pemberton: modulo Bjoerns latest comments, we think that we have dealt with all issues ←
14:37:58 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to produce updated PER drafts and disposition of comments documents
ACTION: Shane to produce updated PER drafts and disposition of comments documents ←
14:37:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Produce updated PER drafts and disposition of comments documents [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-06-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-86 - Produce updated PER drafts and disposition of comments documents [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-06-17]. ←
14:38:20 <Zakim> - +1.763.767.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.763.767.aaaa ←
14:38:21 <Zakim> -MoZ
Scribe problem: the name 'MoZ' does not match any of the 24 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Mohamed ZERGAOUI Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -MoZ ←
14:38:21 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:38:22 <Zakim> -Tina
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tina ←
14:38:37 <Steven> Thanks for scribing Markus
Steven Pemberton: Thanks for scribing Markus ←
14:38:46 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:38:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Markus ←
14:38:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, MoZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, mgylling, Tina, Steven, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, MoZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, mgylling, Tina, Steven, trackbot ←
14:38:54 <Zakim> -Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Markus ←
14:38:55 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:38:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, +1.763.767.aaaa, +04670602aabb, Markus, MoZ, +0468645aacc, Tina
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, +1.763.767.aaaa, +04670602aabb, Markus, MoZ, +0468645aacc, Tina ←
14:39:16 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:39:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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