IRC log of xhtml on 2009-06-10

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 10 June 2009
13:46:11 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-617
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ok, Steven; the call is being made
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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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+Steven
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+ +1.763.767.aaaa
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- +1.763.767.aaaa
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+ +1.763.767.aaaa
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13:47:38 [mgylling]
Zakim, aabb is Markus
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+Markus; got it
13:47:41 [Tina]
Could someone remind me of that number again ...
13:48:04 [MoZ]
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13:48:38 [MoZ]
Zakim, what is the code ?
13:48:38 [Zakim]
the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
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+MoZ
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+ +0468645aacc
13:49:40 [Tina]
Zakim, aacc is Tina
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+Tina; got it
13:51:47 [mgylling]
scribe: Markus
13:51:48 [Steven]
Scribe: Markus
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0007.html
13:53:07 [mgylling]
Topic: PER Issues
13:53:08 [ShaneM]
http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html
13:53:57 [mgylling]
Issue: 9716
13:53:58 [trackbot]
Created ISSUE-6 - 9716 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/6/edit .
13:54:32 [mgylling]
Shane: 9716 marked as closed
13:55:13 [mgylling]
Shane: its the same comment as Hickson made
13:55:35 [mgylling]
Shane to send a reply to 9716 issuer
13:56:04 [mgylling]
Subtopic: issue 480
13:57:05 [mgylling]
Shane: form and image elements not having a name attribute - we discussed this in the context of 1.0. 1.1 which is based on 1.0 strict also doesnt have name on form and image.
13:57:21 [mgylling]
Steven: related to 8415
13:57:31 [mgylling]
MoZ: Agree, they are related
13:58:04 [mgylling]
Markus: do we have a legacy reasons to maintain these in 1.1
13:58:35 [mgylling]
Shane: Yes - HTML DOM creates named entires for the based on name attribute, not id attributes
13:58:44 [mgylling]
... but perhaps this is not true in modern browsers
13:59:37 [mgylling]
The comment (480) says theres a typo; that we are not correctly representing the removal; not suggesting reintroduction.
14:01:18 [mgylling]
ACTION: Steven to ask Alessio to tell us if HTML DOM still requires @name on form and image
14:01:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-85 - Ask Alessio to tell us if HTML DOM still requires @name on form and image [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-06-17].
14:02:16 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 489
14:02:54 [mgylling]
Shane: this is fixed.
14:03:02 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 478
14:03:09 [Steven]
http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec13
14:03:52 [Steven]
I mean: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec13
14:04:18 [mgylling]
Shane: in MOD we call it the tables module. In XHTML 1.1 its called the table module.
14:04:46 [mgylling]
Steven: editorial. Change the reference from 1.1 to MOD
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Subtopic: Issue 469
14:05:05 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec14
14:05:28 [mgylling]
Shane: these items are corrected.
14:05:40 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 584
14:05:41 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec15
14:06:45 [mgylling]
Steven: same as 478, modify the reference from 1.1 to MOD
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Subtopic: Issue 6288
14:08:22 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec16
14:09:07 [mgylling]
Shane: the submitter is correct that somehow XMLNAMES became informatively referenced. Fixed.
14:09:13 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 6933
14:09:15 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec17
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14:10:12 [mgylling]
Shane: think all assertions are now marked as such.
14:10:19 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 582
14:10:21 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec18
14:11:42 [mgylling]
Shane: 1.0's IMPLIED base @href does not make sense.
14:12:00 [mgylling]
Steven: does the submitters use of frame references work in browsers?
14:13:05 [mgylling]
Steven: comment needs to be passed on to next version of XHTMLMOD, we cannot change it in 1.1.
14:13:23 [mgylling]
Steven: He is right, but one could use href="" and achieve the same effect.
14:14:05 [mgylling]
Shane: @target is not in 1.1 right?
14:15:07 [mgylling]
Shane: the 2007 1.1 included @target, but was removed before PER
14:16:05 [mgylling]
Steven: but at last moment it was added to basic. At the PER transition call, we were asked to add it into 1.1 to make sure basic remains a proper subset. On the basis of that argumentation, we could add @target.
14:18:37 [mgylling]
Shane: confirming that @target is in the 2007 version of the 1.1 DTD
14:19:21 [mgylling]
Steven: was wrong about @target and basic, it was inputmode that was discussed
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Shane: which is also not in the PER
14:21:06 [mgylling]
Steven: what do we do with target?
14:21:57 [mgylling]
MoZ: think its not the aim of a new edition to change, unless DTD is not in harmony with prose.
14:23:07 [mgylling]
Steven: while we agree with this change, the current edition is not about making changes to the language, this issue will get marked as an issue for a future version
14:24:24 [mgylling]
Steven: second issue in 582
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Shane: form a reply
14:25:23 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 6909
14:25:25 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec19
14:26:07 [mgylling]
Shane: already fixed.
14:26:14 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 650
14:26:17 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec20
14:26:41 [mgylling]
Shane: already discussed in the context of 1.0
14:27:33 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec8
14:28:23 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html#item22
14:29:47 [mgylling]
Steven: issue is on the wrong spec; to be moved to XHTMLMOD
14:30:04 [mgylling]
Subtopic: Issue 651
14:30:05 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec21
14:31:12 [mgylling]
Editorial fix with no objections.
14:31:38 [mgylling]
Topic: Next steps
14:31:52 [mgylling]
Steven: done with 1.0 and 1.1. Are there any issues on basic and print?
14:32:07 [mgylling]
Shane: none on print.
14:33:25 [mgylling]
Steven: basic spec says to send comments to www-html-editor. One comment:
14:33:44 [Steven]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0002.html
14:35:51 [mgylling]
Shane: fixed those typos.
14:36:26 [mgylling]
Steven: will go through Bjoerns email for any additional issues.
14:37:34 [mgylling]
Steven: modulo Bjoerns latest comments, we think that we have dealt with all issues
14:37:58 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Shane to produce updated PER drafts and disposition of comments documents
14:37:58 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-86 - Produce updated PER drafts and disposition of comments documents [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-06-17].
14:38:20 [Zakim]
- +1.763.767.aaaa
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-MoZ
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-Steven
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-Tina
14:38:37 [Steven]
Thanks for scribing Markus
14:38:46 [Steven]
zakim, who is here?
14:38:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Markus
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On IRC I see markbirbeck, MoZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, mgylling, Tina, Steven, trackbot
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-Markus
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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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Attendees were Steven, +1.763.767.aaaa, +04670602aabb, Markus, MoZ, +0468645aacc, Tina
14:39:16 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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