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11:51:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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11:51:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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11:51:22 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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11:51:23 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
11:51:23 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2009
11:52:07 <Roland> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-06-02-FtF-Agenda
11:52:18 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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12:00:57 <Zakim> +Markus
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12:01:08 <Zakim> +Roland
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12:01:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
12:01:12 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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12:01:13 <Zakim> +Steven
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12:19:46 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009May/0021.html
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Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009May/0021.html ←
12:24:59 <Steven> http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/xhtml/
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Steven Pemberton: http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/xhtml/ ←
12:27:24 <Zakim> -Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Markus ←
12:28:14 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/HTML401/20030123/tests/index.html
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/HTML401/20030123/tests/index.html ←
12:28:47 <mgylling> [hmm, got disconnected]
Markus Gylling: [hmm, got disconnected] ←
12:29:04 <Steven> In any case he is not yet online
Steven Pemberton: In any case he is not yet online ←
12:29:13 <Steven> though I spoke to him an hour or so ago
Steven Pemberton: though I spoke to him an hour or so ago ←
12:31:41 <mgylling> ... and heres another +1 for relaxng
Markus Gylling: ... and heres another +1 for relaxng ←
12:31:45 <Steven> Well, it's good to have some Ralxing expertise around
Steven Pemberton: Well, it's good to have some Ralxing expertise around ←
12:32:01 <Steven> Masayasu used to be our relax expert
Steven Pemberton: Masayasu used to be our relax expert ←
12:34:27 <mgylling> I know relaxng quite well too (consider it my second tongue after swedish)
Markus Gylling: I know relaxng quite well too (consider it my second tongue after swedish) ←
12:35:16 <Zakim> +Markus
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12:36:09 <Zakim> -Roland
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12:36:09 <Zakim> -Steven
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12:36:11 <Zakim> Attendees were Markus, Roland, Steven
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12:36:23 <MoZ> what happened ?
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Scribe problem: the name 'MoZ' does not match any of the 24 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Mohamed ZERGAOUI Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown MoZ: what happened ? ←
12:36:28 <Steven> We're dropping the call until Shane arrives
Steven Pemberton: We're dropping the call until Shane arrives ←
12:36:47 <Steven> staying in the IRC channel
Steven Pemberton: staying in the IRC channel ←
12:36:49 <MoZ> ok please ping me when you're back so
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Scribe problem: the name 'MoZ' does not match any of the 24 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Mohamed ZERGAOUI Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown MoZ: ok please ping me when you're back so ←
12:38:08 <Steven> OK
Steven Pemberton: OK ←
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13:02:32 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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13:05:11 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is here ←
13:05:11 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?' ←
13:05:14 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is here? ←
13:05:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM ←
13:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, Tina, mgylling, RRSAgent, Roland, MoZ, Zakim, Steven, markbirbeck, trackbot
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13:05:31 <Tina> ShaneM: Steven is on a school run, I believe; I'll call in when lunch is done.
Shane McCarron: Steven is on a school run, I believe; I'll call in when lunch is done. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
13:05:47 <ShaneM> thanks
Shane McCarron: thanks ←
13:09:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:09:49 <alessio> zakim, IPcaller is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, IPcaller is Alessio ←
13:09:49 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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13:10:30 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
13:12:18 <alessio> hi all, wasn't it at 13.00 UTC?
Alessio Cartocci: hi all, wasn't it at 13.00 UTC? ←
13:14:38 <ShaneM> yes
Shane McCarron: yes ←
13:14:57 <ShaneM> Steven is tied up for a little while. roland, what's your plan
Shane McCarron: Steven is tied up for a little while. roland, what's your plan ←
13:15:09 <alessio> ok... thx shane
Alessio Cartocci: ok... thx shane ←
13:17:39 <Tina> ... my phone is broken, again. I'm IRC only, folks.
Tina Holmboe: ... my phone is broken, again. I'm IRC only, folks. ←
13:17:52 <Steven> back
Steven Pemberton: back ←
13:18:45 <ShaneM> hey steven. some of us are here - just waiting on you and roland.
Shane McCarron: hey steven. some of us are here - just waiting on you and roland. ←
13:19:41 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:19:42 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
13:19:43 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
13:20:44 <Steven> Given the number of issues we need to review in order to resubmit the PERs, I request that we schedule another 4 hour vF2F meeting. I suggest we try to do it Tuesday, 2 June at noon UTC: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=6&day=2&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215
Steven Pemberton: Given the number of issues we need to review in order to resubmit the PERs, I request that we schedule another 4 hour vF2F meeting. I suggest we try to do it Tuesday, 2 June at noon UTC: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=6&day=2&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215 ←
13:22:20 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
13:22:35 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
13:22:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, Roland ←
13:22:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, ShaneM, Tina, mgylling, RRSAgent, Roland, MoZ, Zakim, Steven, markbirbeck, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, ShaneM, Tina, mgylling, RRSAgent, Roland, MoZ, Zakim, Steven, markbirbeck, trackbot ←
13:23:22 <Steven> We are starting, MoZ, Alessio, Tina, mgylling
Steven Pemberton: We are starting, MoZ, Alessio, Tina, mgylling ←
13:23:55 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
13:24:09 <alessio> zakim, ??P7 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P7 is Alessio ←
13:24:09 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
13:24:20 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html ←
13:24:30 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
13:24:38 <Steven> Shane: I reduced the list to 11 issues
Shane McCarron: I reduced the list to 11 issues ←
13:25:23 <Steven> Shane: We received a formal objection from Ian Hickson
Shane McCarron: We received a formal objection from Ian Hickson ←
13:25:47 <Steven> Steven: About text/html?
Steven Pemberton: About text/html? ←
13:26:00 <Steven> SHane: Yes, he doesn't like it
Shane McCarron: Yes, he doesn't like it ←
13:26:05 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
13:26:27 <Steven> Steven: I believe that doesn't have to be a show-stopper
Steven Pemberton: I believe that doesn't have to be a show-stopper ←
13:26:43 <Steven> Shane: And there is Bjoern's mail, that wasn't sent to us
Shane McCarron: And there is Bjoern's mail, that wasn't sent to us ←
13:27:19 <Tina> ShaneM: do we have a link to the formal objection?
Shane McCarron: do we have a link to the formal objection? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
13:27:19 <Steven> Steven: I haven't checked it rigorously, but I believe that points to issues he had already sent us
Steven Pemberton: I haven't checked it rigorously, but I believe that points to issues he had already sent us ←
13:27:31 <Steven> ... but we should make sure
... but we should make sure ←
13:28:07 <Steven> ... that all his issues made it into the issue tracker
... that all his issues made it into the issue tracker ←
13:28:16 <Steven> Shane: Agreed
Shane McCarron: Agreed ←
13:28:37 <Steven> Shane: So we have 11 issues that we should look at
Shane McCarron: So we have 11 issues that we should look at ←
13:29:48 <Steven> Topic: Issue 8407
13:31:07 <Steven> Shane: I replied to this ages ago
Shane McCarron: I replied to this ages ago ←
13:31:16 <Steven> ... anyway appx C is gone
... anyway appx C is gone ←
13:32:06 <Steven> Steven: Who, quite honestly is going to misundertand this?
Steven Pemberton: Who, quite honestly is going to misunderstand this? ←
13:32:12 <Steven> s/tand/stand/
13:33:15 <Steven> Shane: We replied, he didn't answer, what do we do?
Shane McCarron: We replied, he didn't answer, what do we do? ←
13:33:26 <Steven> Steven: we have followed process. Issue closed
Steven Pemberton: we have followed process. Issue closed ←
13:33:44 <Steven> Topic: Issue 6227
13:33:55 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec2
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec2 ←
13:34:12 <Steven> Shane: Marked as closed, but
Shane McCarron: Marked as closed, but ←
13:34:41 <Steven> ... we advise against the XML declaration
... we advise against the XML declaration ←
13:35:00 <Steven> ... and say use UTF 8 or a higher-level protocol
... and say use UTF 8 or a higher-level protocol ←
13:35:28 <Steven> ... he asks a question, Steven replied, he didn't respond. Therefore we have met process.
... he asks a question, Steven replied, he didn't respond. Therefore we have met process. ←
13:36:01 <Steven> Steven: Issue closed
Steven Pemberton: Issue closed ←
13:36:06 <Steven> Topic: Issue 703
13:36:15 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec3
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec3 ←
13:36:54 <Steven> Shane: THis is an error in the DTD
Shane McCarron: This is an error in the DTD ←
13:36:57 <Steven> s/TH/
13:37:08 <Steven> s/is is an/This is an
13:37:32 <Steven> Shane: The DTD has been fixed
Shane McCarron: The DTD has been fixed ←
13:38:00 <Steven> ... is it OK for a PER?
... is it OK for a PER? ←
13:38:13 <Steven> Steven: Yes, it doesn't break any browsers, it was a clear error
Steven Pemberton: Yes, it doesn't break any browsers, it was a clear error ←
13:38:39 <Steven> Topic: Issue 6674
13:38:47 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec4
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec4 ←
13:38:57 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528 ←
13:38:57 <Steven> Shane: there is an updated editors'draft
Shane McCarron: there is an updated editors' draft ←
13:39:06 <Steven> s/draft/ draft/
13:39:39 <ShaneM> Updated references section is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528/#refs
Shane McCarron: Updated references section is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528/#refs ←
13:39:41 <Steven> ... I have split the references into informative and normative
... I have split the references into informative and normative ←
13:39:52 <Steven> ... need an OK from you
... need an OK from you ←
13:41:20 <Steven> ... POSIX is for MAY, SHOULD etc
... POSIX is for MAY, SHOULD etc ←
13:42:09 <Steven> ... there was a formal objection because the objector wanted us to point to 5th edition
... there was a formal objection because the objector wanted us to point to 5th edition of XML ←
13:42:28 <Steven> ... but we decided against that because of the change to name token
... but we decided against that because of the change to name token ←
13:42:38 <Steven> s/edition/edition of XML/
13:43:39 <Steven> Stevrn|: I remember having that discussion
Steven Pemberton: I remember having that discussion ←
13:43:50 <Steven> s/Stevrn|/Steven
13:44:57 <Steven> ... isn't 5th edition just v1.1 back ported to 1.0?
... isn't 5th edition just v1.1 back ported to 1.0? ←
13:45:28 <Steven> Shane: Regardless
Shane McCarron: Regardless ←
13:46:13 <Steven> Steven: We deliberately made this decision, so I think we should defend it at the transition call
Steven Pemberton: We deliberately made this decision, so I think we should defend it at the transition call ←
13:46:56 <Steven> ... I mean, the real thing we are trying to achieve here is adding schemas
... I mean, the real thing we are trying to achieve here is adding schemas ←
13:47:28 <Steven> Shane: Anyone object to pointing to 4th edition?
Shane McCarron: Anyone object to pointing to 4th edition? ←
13:47:45 <Steven> Moz?
Moz? ←
13:48:20 <Steven> Shane: we refer to 2e of namespaces, an obvious improvement
Shane McCarron: we refer to 2e of namespaces, an obvious improvement ←
13:49:36 <Steven> Shane: Are there any of the informative refs things that have to be normative? (I will update the ref to M12N)
Shane McCarron: Are there any of the informative refs things that have to be normative? (I will update the ref to M12N) ←
13:50:13 <Steven> ... some of them aren't even referenced
... some of them aren't even referenced ←
13:50:23 <Steven> Steven: Chop m out then.
Steven Pemberton: Chop 'em out then. ←
13:51:00 <Steven> ... they may be leftovers from appx C
... they may be leftovers from appx C ←
13:51:09 <Steven> s/m/'em/
13:51:15 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:51:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
13:51:33 <Steven> Shane: Fixing them now
Shane McCarron: Fixing them now ←
13:52:56 <Steven> ... three left, MIME, MOD, and MathML
... three left, MIME, MOD, and MathML ←
13:52:59 <Steven> Steven: Looks good
Steven Pemberton: Looks good ←
13:53:59 <Steven> ... closes this issue
... closes this issue ←
13:54:02 <Steven> Shane: I will reply
Shane McCarron: I will reply ←
13:54:38 <Steven> Topic: Issue 9110
13:54:39 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec5
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec5 ←
13:58:11 <alessio> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2002OctDec/0050.html
Alessio Cartocci: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2002OctDec/0050.html ←
13:59:24 <Steven> Shane: Tobias asked us to fix it in XHTML2
Shane McCarron: Tobias asked us to fix it in XHTML2 ←
13:59:55 <Steven> ... but Jim Ley brings it to XHTML 1
... but Jim Ley brings it to XHTML 1 ←
14:00:09 <ShaneM> I said "objects are independent entities within the page. Navigation is local to the
Shane McCarron: I said "objects are independent entities within the page. Navigation is local to the ←
14:00:09 <ShaneM> object and its own processing. This is defined in HTML 4."
Shane McCarron: object and its own processing. This is defined in HTML 4." ←
14:00:15 <Steven> ... but I claim it is an HTML 4 problem
... but I claim it is an HTML 4 problem ←
14:01:29 <Steven> ... where the question is already answered
... where the question is already answered ←
14:01:40 <Steven> Steven: Good answer
Steven Pemberton: Good answer ←
14:04:31 <Steven> Topic: Issue 8411
14:04:31 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec6
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec6 ←
14:04:37 <MoZ> Moz : I'm with 4th edition. Since Namespace with XML is still not in sync with 5th edition
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Scribe problem: the name 'MoZ' does not match any of the 24 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Mohamed ZERGAOUI Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown MoZ: Moz : I'm with 4th edition. Since Namespace with XML is still not in sync with 5th edition ←
14:04:49 <Steven> Steven: Thanks MOz, that is good
Steven Pemberton: Thanks MoZ, that is good ←
14:04:54 <Steven> s/MOz/MoZ/
14:08:00 <Zakim> +Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Markus ←
14:10:09 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang.html#adef-lang
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang.html#adef-lang ←
14:10:13 <Steven> Steven: lang and xml:lang are normatively edfined elsewhere; I think it would be wrong to normatively define anything here
Steven Pemberton: lang and xml:lang are normatively defined elsewhere; I think it would be wrong to normatively define anything here ←
14:10:24 <Steven> s/edf/def/
14:10:45 <Steven> ... if you use both, with different values, well, that's your own silly fault
... if you use both, with different values, well, that's your own silly fault ←
14:11:28 <Steven> Markus: Are the datatypes the same?
Markus Gylling: Are the datatypes the same? ←
14:11:44 <Steven> Shane: I think one is a subset of the other
Shane McCarron: I think one is a subset of the other ←
14:12:04 <Steven> ... so it is possible to have a value of xml:lang that is not a legal value of @lang
... so it is possible to have a value of xml:lang that is not a legal value of @lang ←
14:12:13 <Steven> ... (in theory)
... (in theory) ←
14:13:55 <Steven> Steven: Didn't we want both lang and xml:lang for the same reason as name/id
Steven Pemberton: Didn't we want both lang and xml:lang for the same reason as name/id ←
14:14:17 <Steven> Shane: There is a difference, largely because of accessibility software
Shane McCarron: There is a difference, largely because of accessibility software ←
14:14:43 <Steven> ... we were trying to be good XML citizens by including xml:lang
... we were trying to be good XML citizens by including xml:lang ←
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14:16:26 <MoZ> You have no choice to use xml:lang. It comes with XML 1.0 (as well as xml:space)
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Scribe problem: the name 'MoZ' does not match any of the 24 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Mohamed ZERGAOUI Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown MoZ: You have no choice to use xml:lang. It comes with XML 1.0 (as well as xml:space) ←
14:16:45 <Steven> Steven: If we change the wording on this now, we would be leaving PER territory
Steven Pemberton: If we change the wording on this now, we would be leaving PER territory ←
14:16:52 <ShaneM> Good point. In XHTML 1.1 we say "This specification also adds the lang attribute to the I18N attribute collection as defined in [XHTMLMOD]. The lang attribute is defined in [HTML4]. When this attribute and the xml:lang are specified on the same element, the xml:lang takes precedence. When both lang and xml:lang are specified on the same element, they SHOULD have the same value."
Shane McCarron: Good point. In XHTML 1.1 we say "This specification also adds the lang attribute to the I18N attribute collection as defined in [XHTMLMOD]. The lang attribute is defined in [HTML4]. When this attribute and the xml:lang are specified on the same element, the xml:lang takes precedence. When both lang and xml:lang are specified on the same element, they SHOULD have the same value." ←
14:16:55 <Zakim> ... Irc bot restart does not affect the actual telecon
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Irc bot restart does not affect the actual telecon ←
14:16:55 <Steven> ... it could invalidate existing UAs
... it could invalidate existing UAs ←
14:18:28 <Steven> Steven: In XHTML 1.1, we are expanding the number of allowable documents, and not invalidating existing UAs
Steven Pemberton: In XHTML 1.1, we are expanding the number of allowable documents, and not invalidating existing UAs ←
14:19:46 <Steven> Shane: Section c.7 has been removed, so the comment doesn't apply
Shane McCarron: Section c.7 has been removed, so the comment doesn't apply ←
14:20:13 <Steven> Steven: It does, because he wanted something added to the normative requirements
Steven Pemberton: It does, because he wanted something added to the normative requirements ←
14:20:56 <Steven> ... which is out of scope, because these attributes are defined elsewhere
... which is out of scope, because these attributes are defined elsewhere ←
14:21:24 <Steven> ... and I will argue that at the transition call
... and I will argue that at the transition call ←
14:22:13 <Steven> 5 mins break for coffee
5 mins break for coffee ←
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14:30:48 <Steven> back
back ←
14:31:46 <Steven> Topic: Removed anchors
14:32:04 <Steven> Shane: WHat do we do; I have kept the anchors with a pointer to the place where they now are
Shane McCarron: WHat do we do; I have kept the anchors with a pointer to the place where they now are ←
14:32:13 <Steven> Roland: That's the best we can do
Roland Merrick: That's the best we can do ←
14:32:51 <Steven> SHane: He's written a validator against appx C, and that broke the error messages in his validator
Shane McCarron: He's written a validator against appx C, and that broke the error messages in his validator ←
14:32:56 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
14:33:36 <Tina> Who wrote a 'validator' ?
Tina Holmboe: Who wrote a 'validator' ? ←
14:33:48 <Steven> Bjoern
Bjoern ←
14:34:45 <Steven> Steven: This isn't the first time this has happened with a W3C spec (anchors changing)
Steven Pemberton: This isn't the first time this has happened with a W3C spec (anchors changing) ←
14:35:06 <Steven> Shane: Well, they don't get a 404
Shane McCarron: Well, they don't get a 404 ←
14:35:12 <Steven> Topic: 6593
14:35:19 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec7
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec7 ←
14:38:21 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528/#h-4.7
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528/#h-4.7 ←
14:38:33 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:39:03 <ShaneM> sorry - just a minute
Shane McCarron: sorry - just a minute ←
14:39:06 <Steven> Steven: We defer to XML on the definition of whitespace
Steven Pemberton: We defer to XML on the definition of whitespace ←
14:39:10 <ShaneM> zakim, what is the code?
Shane McCarron: zakim, what is the code? ←
14:39:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ShaneM ←
14:39:15 <Steven> ... and even point that out in 4.7
... and even point that out in 4.7 ←
14:39:34 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:42:07 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
14:42:14 <alessio> zakim, ??P10 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P10 is Alessio ←
14:42:14 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:42:14 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xhtml1-20000126/#uaconf
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xhtml1-20000126/#uaconf ←
14:46:04 <Steven> Steven: I still think that XML definition of whitespace on input, and CSS definition on output is the good answer
Steven Pemberton: I still think that XML definition of whitespace on input, and CSS definition on output is the good answer ←
14:47:24 <Steven> ... and not add anything else. The spec at 4.7 says exactly what it should do
... and not add anything else. The spec at 4.7 says exactly what it should do ←
14:47:53 <Steven> Shane: Issue closed
Shane McCarron: Issue closed ←
14:48:16 <Steven> ... we are rejecting his request, no edits are associated with this change
... we are rejecting his request, no edits are associated with this change ←
14:48:43 <Steven> Topic: Issue 8285
14:48:44 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec8
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec8 ←
14:49:56 <Steven> Shane: Nothing to do with this document.
Shane McCarron: Nothing to do with this document. ←
14:50:07 <Steven> ... Do we want to add a schema?
... Do we want to add a schema? ←
14:50:17 <Steven> Steven: Let's not give ourselves any more work
Steven Pemberton: Let's not give ourselves any more work ←
14:50:33 <Steven> Shane: OK, this comment is not associated with XHTL 1.0 anymore
Shane McCarron: OK, this comment is not associated with XHTL 1.0 anymore ←
14:50:56 <Steven> Topic: Issue 8415
14:51:02 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec9
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec9 ←
14:51:02 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec9
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec9 ←
14:53:50 <Steven> Shane: I think he was misinterpreting this section
Shane McCarron: I think he was misinterpreting this section ←
14:55:04 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528/#normative item 3
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml1-20090528/#normative item 3 ←
14:56:11 <Steven> Shane: It means "@name does not create a fragment identifier"
Shane McCarron: It means "@name does not create a fragment identifier" ←
14:59:36 <Steven> Steven: Looking at the wording of his comment, he is asking for changes wrt to appx C, which is gone. So I think the issue is closed
Steven Pemberton: Looking at the wording of his comment, he is asking for changes wrt to appx C, which is gone. So I think the issue is closed ←
15:00:07 <Steven> Topic: Issue 6397
15:00:15 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec10
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec10 ←
15:00:20 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:00:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:01:33 <Steven> Shane: I have made the changes
Shane McCarron: I have made the changes ←
15:01:52 <Steven> ... they make no changes to an UA
... they make no changes to an UA ←
15:02:12 <Steven> ... and anyway, all the datatypes map to CDATA anyway
... and , all the datatypes map to CDATA ←
15:02:23 <Steven> s/anyway/
15:04:07 <Steven> Steven: So this is just editorial
Steven Pemberton: So this is just editorial ←
15:04:20 <Steven> ... names of datatypes that are otherwise equivalent
... names of datatypes that are otherwise equivalent ←
15:04:27 <Steven> Topic: Issue 7087
15:04:37 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec11
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090527.html#ssec11 ←
15:06:05 <Steven> Steven: So we just take out the second part of the sentence
Steven Pemberton: So we just take out the second part of the sentence? ←
15:06:15 <Steven> s/tence/tence?/
15:06:23 <Steven> Shane: Yes, get rid of duplication
Shane McCarron: Yes, get rid of duplication ←
15:06:31 <Steven> Steven: I can live with that
Steven Pemberton: I can live with that ←
15:06:40 <Steven> Shane: I will make that change
Shane McCarron: I will make that change ←
15:07:19 <Steven> Shane: It is in an informative section anyway
Shane McCarron: It is in an informative section anyway ←
15:07:29 <Steven> Topic: Issue 6332
15:07:38 <Steven> s/63/62/
15:08:12 <Tina> Which list is 6332 on?
Tina Holmboe: Which list is 6332 on? ←
15:08:28 <ShaneM> 6232 is in the voyager issues thing - Steven is getting a link now
Shane McCarron: 6232 is in the voyager issues thing - Steven is getting a link now ←
15:08:39 <Tina> Thanks
Tina Holmboe: Thanks ←
15:09:34 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/XHTML-1.0-SE?id=6232;user=guest;selectid=6232;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/XHTML-1.0-SE?id=6232;user=guest;selectid=6232;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1 ←
15:10:41 <ShaneM> Ian's objection is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0020.html
Shane McCarron: Ian's objection is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0020.html ←
15:10:53 <Steven> Steven: What can I say except that I disagree?
Steven Pemberton: What can I say except that I disagree? ←
15:11:09 <Steven> ... ALl we do is give guidelines on getting documents to render in HTML UAs
... ALl we do is give guidelines on getting documents to render in HTML UAs ←
15:11:17 <Steven> S/ALl/All/
S/ALl/All/ ←
15:12:37 <ShaneM> 5.1 in third edition current reads: XHTML Documents which follow the guidelines set forth in [XHTMLMIME] may be labeled with the Internet Media Type "text/html" [RFC2854], as they are compatible with most HTML browsers. Those documents, and any other document conforming to this specification, may also be labeled with the Internet Media Type "application/xhtml+xml" as defined in [RFC3236]. For further information on using media types with XHTML, see the informativ
Shane McCarron: 5.1 in third edition current reads: XHTML Documents which follow the guidelines set forth in [XHTMLMIME] may be labeled with the Internet Media Type "text/html" [RFC2854], as they are compatible with most HTML browsers. Those documents, and any other document conforming to this specification, may also be labeled with the Internet Media Type "application/xhtml+xml" as defined in [RFC3236]. For further information on using media types with XHTML, see the informativ ←
15:14:53 <ShaneM> For information on delivering XHTML 1.0 Documents to user agents that do not natively handle this media type, see [XHTMLMIME] .
Shane McCarron: For information on delivering XHTML 1.0 Documents to user agents that do not natively handle this media type, see [XHTMLMIME] . ←
15:16:21 <ShaneM> So the final text for 5.1 would read: XHTML 1.0 Documents should be be labeled with the Internet Media Type "application/xhtml+xml" as defined in [RFC3236]. For information on delivering XHTML 1.0 Documents to user agents that do not natively handle this media type, see [XHTMLMIME] .
Shane McCarron: So the final text for 5.1 would read: XHTML 1.0 Documents should be be labeled with the Internet Media Type "application/xhtml+xml" as defined in [RFC3236]. For information on delivering XHTML 1.0 Documents to user agents that do not natively handle this media type, see [XHTMLMIME] . ←
15:17:11 <ShaneM> any objections to this text?
Shane McCarron: any objections to this text? ←
15:17:14 <Steven> Steven: This is an informative section, right?
Steven Pemberton: This is an informative section, right? ←
15:17:18 <Steven> SHane: Yes
Shane McCarron: Yes ←
15:17:23 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
15:18:24 <Steven> Shane: I'll suggest the change to the commentator
Shane McCarron: I'll suggest the change to the commentator ←
15:19:08 <Steven> Shane: So we are done, modulo checking for missed comments, and checking new comments on the PERs
Shane McCarron: So we are done, modulo checking for missed comments, and checking new comments on the PERs ←
15:20:43 <Steven> Topic: Any other comments
15:22:01 <Tina> I have none
Tina Holmboe: I have none ←
15:22:39 <ShaneM> ... Roland searches email archives ...
Shane McCarron: ... Roland searches email archives ... ←
15:24:54 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009May/0018.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009May/0018.html ←
15:26:23 <Steven> Shane: Yes, this is new
Shane McCarron: Yes, this is new ←
15:26:35 <Steven> Roland: We'll talk about it when we get to 1.1
Roland Merrick: We'll talk about it when we get to 1.1 ←
15:27:13 <Steven> ... it is in the wrong place, but let's add it to the issues system
... it is in the wrong place, but let's add it to the issues system ←
15:29:00 <Steven> Topic: XHTML 1.1 issues
15:29:08 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html ←
15:29:36 <Steven> Shane: There are 21 issues
Shane McCarron: There are 21 issues ←
15:29:43 <Steven> ... most trivial
... most trivial ←
15:29:52 <Steven> ... I haven't done the final pass
... I haven't done the final pass ←
15:30:09 <Steven> ... first issue is @id on script
... first issue is @id on script ←
15:30:28 <Steven> ... fixed and closed
... fixed and closed ←
15:31:11 <Steven> Topic: Issue 8840
15:31:21 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec2
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec2 ←
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15:33:26 <Steven> Steven: HTML4 disallows these with exclusions
Steven Pemberton: HTML4 disallows these with exclusions ←
15:33:39 <Steven> ... and for XHTML we used English text
... and for XHTML we used English text ←
15:34:16 <Tina> What's the reasoning behind that change?
Tina Holmboe: What's the reasoning behind that change? ←
15:36:17 <Steven> TIna - because XML doesn't have exclusions
TIna - because XML doesn't have exclusions ←
15:36:30 <Steven> Steven: Oh but wait, Modularization uses exclusions!
Steven Pemberton: Oh but wait, Modularization uses exclusions! ←
15:36:35 <Steven> Shane: We were so clever!
Shane McCarron: We were so clever! ←
15:36:42 <Steven> ... we win!
... we win! ←
15:37:47 <Steven> ... "Content exclusions should be defined by the rules in M12N, which can't be expressed in all schema grammars"
... "Content exclusions should be defined by the rules in M12N, which can't be expressed in all schema grammars" ←
15:38:12 <MoZ> That's where I think Relax NG + NVDL could help
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Unknown MoZ: That's where I think Relax NG + NVDL could help ←
15:38:42 <MoZ> (It's more Relax NG + Schematron to be fair)
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Unknown MoZ: (It's more Relax NG + Schematron to be fair) ←
15:39:17 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/#abstract-def
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/#abstract-def ←
15:39:27 <Steven> Shane: Ruby does it right too!
Shane McCarron: Ruby does it right too! ←
15:40:17 <Steven> Steven: So the reply is that the spec is clear, and does the right thing
Steven Pemberton: So the reply is that the spec is clear, and does the right thing ←
15:40:38 <ShaneM> XHTML 1.1 references the XHTML M12N and Ruby Recommendations. Those Recommendations define content models using an abstract content model grammar, and these are specifically excluded already. While the underlying implementation(s) may not be able to enforce these exclusions because of limitations in their grammars, the restrictions are nontheless normative.
Shane McCarron: XHTML 1.1 references the XHTML M12N and Ruby Recommendations. Those Recommendations define content models using an abstract content model grammar, and these are specifically excluded already. While the underlying implementation(s) may not be able to enforce these exclusions because of limitations in their grammars, the restrictions are nontheless normative. ←
15:40:42 <Steven> ... using the definitions as required by M12N
... using the definitions as required by M12N ←
15:42:12 <Steven> Topic: Issue 6242
15:42:23 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec3
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec3 ←
15:42:42 <Steven> Fixed
Fixed ←
15:43:01 <Steven> Topic: Issue 587
15:43:03 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec4
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec4 ←
15:44:32 <Steven> Shane: We don't make changes to work round bugs in software
Shane McCarron: We don't make changes to work round bugs in software ←
15:44:35 <Steven> ... wrong approach
... wrong approach ←
15:44:49 <Steven> Steven: Agreed
Steven Pemberton: Agreed ←
15:45:15 <Steven> Topic: Issue 614
15:45:18 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec5
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec5 ←
15:45:31 <Steven> Shane: Fixed
Shane McCarron: Fixed ←
15:45:58 <Steven> Topic: Issue 8341
15:45:59 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec6
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec6 ←
15:46:58 <Steven> Roland: Keep it as is
Roland Merrick: Keep it as is ←
15:47:29 <Steven> Steven: We could consider it for XHTML2
Steven Pemberton: We could consider it for XHTML2 ←
15:47:39 <Steven> ... it has a reasonable use-case
... it has a reasonable use-case ←
15:47:58 <Steven> ... this would take us out of PER territory
... this would take us out of PER territory ←
15:48:12 <alessio> zakim, who's here?
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, who's here? ←
15:48:45 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
15:48:48 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:48:50 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec7
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec7 ←
15:48:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, ShaneM, Tina, mgylling, RRSAgent, Roland, MoZ, Steven, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, ShaneM, Tina, mgylling, RRSAgent, Roland, MoZ, Steven, trackbot ←
15:49:03 <Steven> zakim, this is team_XHTML
zakim, this is team_XHTML ←
15:49:04 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not see a conference named 'team_XHTML' in progress or scheduled at this time
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not see a conference named 'team_XHTML' in progress or scheduled at this time ←
15:49:08 <Steven> zakim, list
zakim, list ←
15:49:10 <Zakim> I see WF_()10:00AM, Team_(xhtml)12:00Z, SW_SWD()11:00AM, SW_RIF()11:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see WF_()10:00AM, Team_(xhtml)12:00Z, SW_SWD()11:00AM, SW_RIF()11:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM active ←
15:49:13 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM, INC_RWAB()11:00AM, MWI_TSWG()11:00AM, SW_HCLS(COI)11:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM, INC_RWAB()11:00AM, MWI_TSWG()11:00AM, SW_HCLS(COI)11:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM ←
15:49:17 <Steven> zakim, this is xhtml
zakim, this is xhtml ←
15:49:20 <Zakim> ok, Steven; that matches Team_(xhtml)12:00Z
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; that matches Team_(xhtml)12:00Z ←
15:49:26 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
15:49:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P22, Steven, Roland, ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P22, Steven, Roland, ShaneM ←
15:49:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, ShaneM, Tina, mgylling, RRSAgent, Roland, MoZ, Steven, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alessio, ShaneM, Tina, mgylling, RRSAgent, Roland, MoZ, Steven, trackbot ←
15:49:40 <alessio> zakim, ??P22 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P22 is Alessio ←
15:49:42 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
15:49:42 <Steven> Topic: Issue 656
15:49:43 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec6
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec6 ←
15:49:51 <Steven> Shane: Fixed
Shane McCarron: Fixed ←
15:50:15 <Steven> Topic: Issue 8422
15:50:16 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec8
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec8 ←
15:50:42 <Steven> Shane: We have an objection because this is not fixed
Shane McCarron: We have an objection because this is not fixed ←
15:51:31 <Steven> Roland: You think we should be pragmatic
Roland Merrick: You think we should be pragmatic ←
15:51:49 <Steven> Shane: Yes, we should just do what UAs do now
Shane McCarron: Yes, we should just do what UAs do now ←
15:53:14 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/imagemap/results
http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/imagemap/results ←
15:54:49 <Steven> Steven: The tests make it look like it should be a URI ref
Steven Pemberton: The tests make it look like it should be a URI ref ←
15:55:06 <ShaneM> <img usemap="lala">
Shane McCarron: <img usemap="lala"> ←
15:56:27 <Steven> Shane: external references have never been implemented
Shane McCarron: external references have never been implemented ←
15:56:39 <Steven> ... so this wouldn't affect current implementations
... so this wouldn't affect current implementations ←
15:56:57 <Steven> Shane: You have to change this in m12n
Shane McCarron: You have to change this in m12n ←
15:57:22 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/xhtml-modularization.html#s_imapmodule
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/xhtml-modularization.html#s_imapmodule ←
15:57:33 <Steven> Steven: then the issue is on the wrong spec
Steven Pemberton: then the issue is on the wrong spec ←
15:57:43 <Steven> Shane: Then I'll move it there
Shane McCarron: Then I'll move it there ←
15:58:23 <Steven> Topic: 472
15:58:30 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec9
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec9 ←
15:58:46 <Steven> Shane: Editorial; fixed
Shane McCarron: Editorial; fixed ←
15:59:07 <Steven> Topic: 9716
15:59:08 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec10
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml11-issues-20090525.html#ssec10 ←
15:59:10 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
15:59:40 <Steven> Shane: Handle this tomorrow
Shane McCarron: Handle this tomorrow ←
15:59:46 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
[ADJOURN] ←
15:59:52 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
15:59:54 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:59:54 <Zakim> Team_(xhtml)12:00Z has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(xhtml)12:00Z has ended ←
15:59:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Roland, ShaneM, Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, Roland, ShaneM, Alessio ←
16:00:09 <Steven> Present+Tina
Present+Tina ←
16:00:17 <Steven> Present+MoZ
Present+MoZ ←
16:00:27 <Steven> Present+Markus
Present+Markus ←
16:00:40 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
16:00:56 <Steven> Regrets+Gregory
Regrets+Gregory ←
16:01:14 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:01:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
16:03:12 <ShaneM> thanks folks!!!
Shane McCarron: thanks folks!!! ←
16:03:32 <mgylling> Bye all...
Markus Gylling: Bye all... ←
16:13:57 <ShaneM> FWIW usemap is %URI in XHTML 1.0 strict
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Shane McCarron: FWIW usemap is %URI in XHTML 1.0 strict ←
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