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XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 04 March 2009

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Mar/0037.html
Present
Shane McCarron, Roland Merrick, Steven Pemberton, Markus Gylling
Regrets
Gregory Rosmaita, Alessio Cartocci, Tina Holmboe, Unknown Mark
Chair
Roland Merrick
Scribe
Shane McCarron
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics

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14:40:09 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:40:09 <trackbot> Date: 04 March 2009
14:40:17 <Roland> Chair: Roland
14:40:28 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Mar/0037.html
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14:44:34 <Zakim> +Roland

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14:44:45 <Zakim> + +04670602aaaa

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14:45:01 <Zakim> +McCarron

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14:45:22 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM

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14:45:22 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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14:45:40 <markus> Zakim, +04670602aaaa is Markus

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14:47:51 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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14:47:51 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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14:47:53 <Zakim> +Steven

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14:49:21 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM

(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)

14:49:38 <ShaneM> Regrets: Alessio, Mark, Tina

Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

14:49:42 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio, Mark, Tina

Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

14:49:45 <ShaneM> Regrets: +Gregory

Scribe problem: the name '+Gregory' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami

14:50:52 <ShaneM> Topic: Action Item Review

1. Action Item Review

14:51:30 <ShaneM> Role and Access CR.  Still on hold waiting for responses from PER transitions

Role and Access CR. Still on hold waiting for responses from PER transitions

14:51:47 <ShaneM> PER requets are on Ralph'

PER requets are on Ralph'

14:51:52 <ShaneM> s desk

s desk

14:52:29 <ShaneM> Steven will send the transition requests for them now.

Steven will send the transition requests for them now.

14:52:51 <Roland> close action-43

Roland Merrick: close ACTION-43

14:52:51 <trackbot> ACTION-43 Request PER for 4 specs using M12N closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-43 Request PER for 4 specs using M12N closed

14:53:50 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0122.html

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0122.html

14:54:33 <ShaneM> close action-48

close ACTION-48

14:54:33 <trackbot> ACTION-48 Send a formal reply to message 122 closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-48 Send a formal reply to message 122 closed

14:55:00 <ShaneM> He was replied to by W3C management.

He was replied to by W3C management.

14:57:10 <ShaneM> Action - 44.  Steven has prepared a skeletal draft and gotten some comments.

Action - 44. Steven has prepared a skeletal draft and gotten some comments.

14:57:10 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - -

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14:58:12 <ShaneM> Steven wants to emphasize the authorability and extensibility.  This is sort of the management overview.

Steven wants to emphasize the authorability and extensibility. This is sort of the management overview.

14:59:21 <ShaneM> Also accessibility, device independence, and internationalization.  There is support for this and we should point that out.  Authoring in XHTML2 makes it easier to make your content adaptable to the target device / environment.

Also accessibility, device independence, and internationalization. There is support for this and we should point that out. Authoring in XHTML2 makes it easier to make your content adaptable to the target device / environment.

14:59:50 <ShaneM> close action-44

close ACTION-44

14:59:50 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-44 Write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. closed

15:00:54 <ShaneM> Steven intends to get a reasonable tight version ready before the AC Meeting

Steven intends to get a reasonable tight version ready before the AC Meeting

15:01:29 <ShaneM> Roland was looking at using XInclude in XHTML 2 - he cannot see why we would want to support it.

Roland was looking at using XInclude in XHTML 2 - he cannot see why we would want to support it.

15:02:03 <ShaneM> XInclude is a pre-processing step - it doesn't need to be part of the language...

XInclude is a pre-processing step - it doesn't need to be part of the language...

15:02:16 <markus> http://www.daisy.org/zw/XInclude_Analysis

Markus Gylling: http://www.daisy.org/zw/XInclude_Analysis

15:02:46 <ShaneM> Markus - DAISY came to the same conclusion.  However, you might need to permit xml:base in order to handle it.

Markus - DAISY came to the same conclusion. However, you might need to permit xml:base in order to handle it.

15:03:03 <ShaneM> Steven believes xml:base is in xhtml2 Common attribute collection already.

Steven believes xml:base is in xhtml2 Common attribute collection already.

15:03:13 <ShaneM> ShaneM thinks that it would have to be.

ShaneM thinks that it would have to be.

15:03:54 <ShaneM> Topic: Plan what we are going to do at F2F regards XHTML 2

2. Plan what we are going to do at F2F regards XHTML 2

15:04:53 <ShaneM> ShaneM thinks the spec is in good shape modulo the questions that have been posted.  Most of which are small items.

ShaneM thinks the spec is in good shape modulo the questions that have been posted. Most of which are small items.

15:05:01 <Steven> xml:base is in hypertext module http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml2-20090205/mod-hyperAttributes.html#col_Hypertext

Scribe problem: the name 'xml' does not match any of the 23 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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15:07:47 <ShaneM> ShaneM is concerned that the DOM tree will have expanded the href attribute.

ShaneM is concerned that the DOM tree will have expanded the href attribute.

15:09:22 <ShaneM> Markus doesn't think that is specified by the DOM spec.  Shane agrees, but thinks some clients might be updating the href attributes on the way in.

Markus doesn't think that is specified by the DOM spec. Shane agrees, but thinks some clients might be updating the href attributes on the way in.

15:10:37 <ShaneM> We can figure this out later.  No big deal.

We can figure this out later. No big deal.

15:12:28 <ShaneM> Roland asked if the list of questions in the agenda represents the complete set.

Roland asked if the list of questions in the agenda represents the complete set.

15:12:39 <ShaneM> Markus points out that there are some problems with XForms integration.

Markus points out that there are some problems with XForms integration.

15:13:44 <ShaneM> He will send in a note about the issue.

He will send in a note about the issue.

15:14:56 <ShaneM> Shane asks that we address the simpler issues earlier.

Shane asks that we address the simpler issues earlier.

15:15:38 <ShaneM> Roland thinks that we need to discuss philosophy first - so we have a framework in which to make decisions.

Roland thinks that we need to discuss philosophy first - so we have a framework in which to make decisions.

15:16:28 <ShaneM> Do we need to structure the language so that it is implementable in current user agents?  Not clear that we have agreement on what our target platform is.

Do we need to structure the language so that it is implementable in current user agents? Not clear that we have agreement on what our target platform is.

15:17:10 <ShaneM> Is familiarity important?

Is familiarity important?

15:18:08 <ShaneM> Roland suggests that we try to not rathole next week - time limit each discussion and stop discussion if we hit limit.

Roland suggests that we try to not rathole next week - time limit each discussion and stop discussion if we hit limit.

15:23:12 <Roland> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=03&day=10&hour=13&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p4=248&p5=283

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Roland Merrick: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=03&day=10&hour=13&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p4=248&p5=283

15:24:36 <Zakim> -Roland

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15:24:37 <Zakim> -Markus

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15:24:37 <Zakim> -Steven

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15:25:01 <ShaneM> Next meeting on Tuesday, 10 March at 1300 UTC.  Also probably meet on Wednesday at normal time (9:45 US Eastern Time)

Next meeting on Tuesday, 10 March at 1300 UTC. Also probably meet on Wednesday at normal time (9:45 US Eastern Time)

15:26:17 <ShaneM> zakim, make minutes

zakim, make minutes

15:26:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', ShaneM

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15:26:33 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

15:26:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM

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15:26:52 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes public

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15:26:53 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

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15:27:10 <ShaneM> rrsagent, stop

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15:28:09 <ShaneM> regrets+ alessio, tina, mark

regrets+ alessio, tina, mark

15:28:21 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

15:28:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM

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15:28:50 <ShaneM> Regrets+ alessio, tina, mark

Regrets+ alessio, tina, mark

15:28:54 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes

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15:28:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM

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15:29:19 <ShaneM> Regrets: Gregory, Alessio, Tina, Mark

Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

15:29:22 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes

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15:29:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM

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15:30:02 <ShaneM> rrsagent, end meeting

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15:30:02 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'end meeting', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

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15:30:37 <ShaneM> Present: ShaneM, Roland, Steven, Markus
15:30:42 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes

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15:30:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM

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15:50:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, ShaneM, in IA_XHTML2()9:45AM

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15:50:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Markus, Steven

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