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14:40:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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14:40:09 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:40:09 <trackbot> Date: 04 March 2009
14:40:17 <Roland> Chair: Roland
14:40:28 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Mar/0037.html
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14:44:34 <Zakim> +Roland
14:44:45 <Zakim> + +04670602aaaa
14:45:01 <Zakim> +McCarron
14:45:22 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
14:45:22 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
14:45:40 <markus> Zakim, +04670602aaaa is Markus
14:45:40 <Zakim> +Markus; got it
14:47:51 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:47:51 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:47:53 <Zakim> +Steven
14:49:21 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
14:49:38 <ShaneM> Regrets: Alessio, Mark, Tina
14:49:42 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio, Mark, Tina
14:49:45 <ShaneM> Regrets: +Gregory
14:50:52 <ShaneM> Topic: Action Item Review
14:51:30 <ShaneM> Role and Access CR.  Still on hold waiting for responses from PER transitions
14:51:47 <ShaneM> PER requets are on Ralph'
14:51:52 <ShaneM> s desk
14:52:29 <ShaneM> Steven will send the transition requests for them now.
14:52:51 <Roland> close action-43
14:52:51 <trackbot> ACTION-43 Request PER for 4 specs using M12N closed
14:53:50 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0122.html
14:54:33 <ShaneM> close action-48
14:54:33 <trackbot> ACTION-48 Send a formal reply to message 122 closed
14:55:00 <ShaneM> He was replied to by W3C management.
14:57:10 <ShaneM> Action - 44.  Steven has prepared a skeletal draft and gotten some comments.
14:57:10 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - -
14:58:12 <ShaneM> Steven wants to emphasize the authorability and extensibility.  This is sort of the management overview.
14:59:21 <ShaneM> Also accessibility, device independence, and internationalization.  There is support for this and we should point that out.  Authoring in XHTML2 makes it easier to make your content adaptable to the target device / environment.
14:59:50 <ShaneM> close action-44
14:59:50 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. closed
15:00:54 <ShaneM> Steven intends to get a reasonable tight version ready before the AC Meeting
15:01:29 <ShaneM> Roland was looking at using XInclude in XHTML 2 - he cannot see why we would want to support it.
15:02:03 <ShaneM> XInclude is a pre-processing step - it doesn't need to be part of the language...
15:02:16 <markus> http://www.daisy.org/zw/XInclude_Analysis
15:02:46 <ShaneM> Markus - DAISY came to the same conclusion.  However, you might need to permit xml:base in order to handle it.
15:03:03 <ShaneM> Steven believes xml:base is in xhtml2 Common attribute collection already.
15:03:13 <ShaneM> ShaneM thinks that it would have to be.
15:03:54 <ShaneM> Topic: Plan what we are going to do at F2F regards XHTML 2
15:04:53 <ShaneM> ShaneM thinks the spec is in good shape modulo the questions that have been posted.  Most of which are small items.
15:05:01 <Steven> xml:base is in hypertext module http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml2-20090205/mod-hyperAttributes.html#col_Hypertext
15:07:47 <ShaneM> ShaneM is concerned that the DOM tree will have expanded the href attribute.
15:09:22 <ShaneM> Markus doesn't think that is specified by the DOM spec.  Shane agrees, but thinks some clients might be updating the href attributes on the way in.
15:10:37 <ShaneM> We can figure this out later.  No big deal.
15:12:28 <ShaneM> Roland asked if the list of questions in the agenda represents the complete set.
15:12:39 <ShaneM> Markus points out that there are some problems with XForms integration.
15:13:44 <ShaneM> He will send in a note about the issue.
15:14:56 <ShaneM> Shane asks that we address the simpler issues earlier.
15:15:38 <ShaneM> Roland thinks that we need to discuss philosophy first - so we have a framework in which to make decisions.
15:16:28 <ShaneM> Do we need to structure the language so that it is implementable in current user agents?  Not clear that we have agreement on what our target platform is.
15:17:10 <ShaneM> Is familiarity important?
15:18:08 <ShaneM> Roland suggests that we try to not rathole next week - time limit each discussion and stop discussion if we hit limit.
15:23:12 <Roland> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=03&day=10&hour=13&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p4=248&p5=283
15:24:36 <Zakim> -Roland
15:24:37 <Zakim> -Markus
15:24:37 <Zakim> -Steven
15:25:01 <ShaneM> Next meeting on Tuesday, 10 March at 1300 UTC.  Also probably meet on Wednesday at normal time (9:45 US Eastern Time)
15:26:17 <ShaneM> zakim, make minutes
15:26:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', ShaneM
15:26:33 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:26:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM
15:26:52 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes public
15:26:53 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:27:10 <ShaneM> rrsagent, stop
15:28:09 <ShaneM> regrets+ alessio, tina, mark
15:28:21 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:28:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM
15:28:50 <ShaneM> Regrets+ alessio, tina, mark
15:28:54 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:28:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM
15:29:19 <ShaneM> Regrets: Gregory, Alessio, Tina, Mark
15:29:22 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:29:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM
15:30:02 <ShaneM> rrsagent, end meeting
15:30:02 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'end meeting', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:30:37 <ShaneM> Present: ShaneM, Roland, Steven, Markus
15:30:42 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-xhtml-minutes.html ShaneM
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15:50:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Markus, Steven
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