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14:42:01 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/07-xhtml-irc
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14:42:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:42:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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14:42:06 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:42:06 <trackbot> Date: 07 January 2009
14:42:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes ←
14:42:17 <Roland> Chair: Roland
14:42:31 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0002.html
14:43:02 <Roland> Regrets: Gregory, Alessio, Mark, Tina
Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
14:43:37 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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14:43:46 <Zakim> +Roland_Merrick
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14:44:01 <Roland> Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
Roland Merrick: Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland ←
14:44:01 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
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14:44:03 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:44:03 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:44:04 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:44:13 <Zakim> +??P12
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14:44:32 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:44:39 <ShaneM> zakim, ??p13 is ShaneM
Shane McCarron: zakim, ??p13 is ShaneM ←
14:44:39 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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14:46:32 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:46:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, ??P12, ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Steven, ??P12, ShaneM ←
14:46:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, Roland, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, Roland, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot ←
14:47:15 <Roland> Zakim, P12 is mgylling
Roland Merrick: Zakim, P12 is mgylling ←
14:47:15 <Zakim> sorry, Roland, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Roland, I do not recognize a party named 'P12' ←
14:47:15 <Steven> zakim, ??P13 is Markus
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P13 is Markus ←
14:47:16 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as ShaneM, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P13 as ShaneM, Steven ←
14:47:43 <Roland> Zakim, ??P12 is mgylling
Roland Merrick: Zakim, ??P12 is mgylling ←
14:47:43 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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14:48:15 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:48:20 <Steven> Topic: CURIEs CR
14:49:06 <Steven> Steven: Director's decision draft is in front of me, I'll be sending that off; we just need a date for the CR draft
Steven Pemberton: Director's decision draft is in front of me, I'll be sending that off; we just need a date for the CR draft ←
14:49:19 <Steven> Shane: WHo needs that date?
Shane McCarron: Who needs that date? ←
14:49:24 <Steven> s/WH/Wh
14:49:33 <Steven> Shane: How about Friday?
Shane McCarron: How about Friday? ←
14:49:38 <Steven> ... 9th January
... 9th January ←
14:49:46 <Steven> Steven: Thanks
Steven Pemberton: Thanks ←
14:50:38 <Steven> Steven: Please check that we are referencing the newest XML
Steven Pemberton: Please check that we are referencing the newest XML ←
14:50:42 <Steven> Shane: Think I did that
Shane McCarron: Think I did that ←
14:51:01 <Steven> ... but note that the latest definition of XML changes the definition of Name token
... but note that the latest definition of XML changes the definition of Name token ←
14:51:16 <Steven> ... oh wait, we discussed this already
... oh wait, we discussed this already ←
14:51:33 <Steven> Markus: We decided to stay with 4th edition for backwards compatbility
Markus Gylling: We decided to stay with 4th edition for backwards compatbility ←
14:51:48 <Steven> Shane: Yes, we agreed this for M12N too
Shane McCarron: Yes, we agreed this for M12N too ←
14:51:56 <Steven> ... it affects CURIEs as well
... it affects CURIEs as well ←
14:52:13 <Steven> ... because we use the definition of Name token
... because we use the definition of Name token ←
14:52:23 <Steven> ... to define prefixes
... to define prefixes ←
14:53:41 <Steven> Shane: We won't do it, and have a good reason
Shane McCarron: We won't do it, and have a good reason ←
14:53:56 <Steven> ... I will point it to 4th edition (not 5th)
... I will point it to 4th edition (not 5th) ←
14:54:47 <Steven> Steven: The RDFa test suite is probably good enough for CR period
Steven Pemberton: The RDFa test suite is probably good enough for CR period ←
14:54:57 <Steven> ... does it cover safe CURIEs?
... does it cover safe CURIEs? ←
14:55:00 <Steven> Shane: Definitely
Shane McCarron: Definitely ←
14:56:53 <Steven> Roland: And WAI-ARIA
Roland Merrick: And WAI-ARIA ←
14:57:13 <Steven> Steven: We don't have to test it, just point to implementations that support CURIES
Steven Pemberton: We don't have to test it, just point to implementations that support CURIES ←
14:57:25 <Steven> Shane: 4 week CR period? To 6th Feb
Shane McCarron: 4 week CR period? To 6th Feb ←
14:57:38 <Steven> Steven: Looks good
Steven Pemberton: Looks good ←
14:57:56 <Steven> ... we have the implementations, so we're safe
... we have the implementations, so we're safe ←
14:58:08 <Steven> Roland: Do we need a test plan?
Roland Merrick: Do we need a test plan? ←
14:58:50 <Steven> Steven: We should say which RDFa tests test which CURIE feature (in the implementation report)
Steven Pemberton: We should say which RDFa tests test which CURIE feature (in the implementation report) ←
14:59:44 <Steven> ... Do we really cover everything in the suite?
... Do we really cover everything in the suite? ←
14:59:53 <Steven> Shane: We'll need to check to be absolutely sure
Shane McCarron: We'll need to check to be absolutely sure ←
15:00:44 <ShaneM> CR ready document is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-curie-20090109
Shane McCarron: CR ready document is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-curie-20090109 ←
15:00:49 <Steven> TOPIC: role
15:01:06 <Steven> Roland: We resolved to request CR for role
Roland Merrick: We resolved to request CR for role ←
15:01:14 <Steven> ... are we ready?
... are we ready? ←
15:02:04 <Steven> Steven: Didn't we have a reason not to do it at the same call as CURIE? Waiting for a reply from someone?
Steven Pemberton: Didn't we have a reason not to do it at the same call as CURIE? Waiting for a reply from someone? ←
15:02:29 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-role-lc2-doc-20081018.html
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-role-lc2-doc-20081018.html ←
15:03:09 <Steven> Steven: The DoC looks OK
Steven Pemberton: The DoC looks OK ←
15:05:45 <Steven> Steven: Oh I remember, it was for access, we were waiting for a response from I18N
Steven Pemberton: Oh I remember, it was for access, we were waiting for a response from I18N ←
15:06:15 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008OctDec/0023.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008OctDec/0023.html ←
15:08:39 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to follow up with I18N on access comments
ACTION: Steven to follow up with I18N on access comments ←
15:08:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Follow up with I18N on access comments [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-41 - Follow up with I18N on access comments [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14]. ←
15:08:54 <Steven> Roland: Back to role
Roland Merrick: Back to role ←
15:09:22 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to request CR for role
ACTION: Steven to request CR for role ←
15:09:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Request CR for role [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-42 - Request CR for role [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14]. ←
15:10:03 <Steven> TOPIC: Third editions
15:10:25 <Steven> Roland: 1.0 3e, 1.1 2e, Print
Roland Merrick: 1.0 3e, 1.1 2e, Print ←
15:10:31 <Steven> ... delaying Basic?
... delaying Basic? ←
15:10:47 <Steven> Roland: Is the example problem solved?
Roland Merrick: Is the example problem solved? ←
15:10:57 <Steven> Steven: Yes I got agreement from Yam
Steven Pemberton: Yes I got agreement from Yam ←
15:11:04 <Steven> ... Basic is ready to go
... Basic is ready to go ←
15:11:17 <Steven> Shane: It is RDFa that we will hold back on as we just went to rec
Shane McCarron: It is RDFa that we will hold back on as we just went to rec ←
15:11:36 <Steven> Steven: So 4 specs going to PER
Steven Pemberton: So 4 specs going to PER ←
15:11:52 <Steven> ... I think we should make that one request
... I think we should make that one request ←
15:11:56 <Steven> Shane: Definitely
Shane McCarron: Definitely ←
15:12:13 <Steven> ... PERs don't even need a transition call
... PERs don't even need a transition call ←
15:12:21 <Steven> ... IIRC
... IIRC ←
15:12:45 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to request PER for 4 specs using M12N
ACTION: Steven to request PER for 4 specs using M12N ←
15:12:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Request PER for 4 specs using M12N [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-43 - Request PER for 4 specs using M12N [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14]. ←
15:13:48 <Steven> TOPIC: Actions
15:13:51 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open ←
15:14:33 <Steven> Roland: 1, 2 continue
Roland Merrick: 1, 2 continue ←
15:14:43 <Steven> ... 14 continues
... 14 continues ←
15:15:11 <Steven> ... 17, we don't like the wording on positioning in the HTML5 spec
... 17, we don't like the wording on positioning in the HTML5 spec ←
15:15:17 <Steven> Steven: I'll pick that up
Steven Pemberton: I'll pick that up ←
15:17:42 <Steven> Roland: 20 - Steven
Roland Merrick: 20 - Steven ←
15:17:49 <Steven> Steven: I'll check whether I got to it
Steven Pemberton: I'll check whether I got to it ←
15:18:38 <Steven> Roland: 24 ongoing
Roland Merrick: 24 ongoing ←
15:19:00 <ShaneM> role CR draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-role-20090115
Shane McCarron: role CR draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-role-20090115 ←
15:19:23 <Steven> Roland: 25 - Shane
Roland Merrick: 25 - Shane ←
15:19:28 <Steven> Shane: Nearly done
Shane McCarron: Nearly done ←
15:19:39 <ShaneM> access CR draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090115
Shane McCarron: access CR draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090115 ←
15:19:50 <Steven> Roland: 26 - Shane
Roland Merrick: 26 - Shane ←
15:20:03 <Steven> Shane: I've spoken to Mark Baker, he's happy to help, and not sure what we want
Shane McCarron: I've spoken to Mark Baker, he's happy to help, and not sure what we want ←
15:20:11 <Steven> ... I need help to get this done
... I need help to get this done ←
15:20:59 <Steven> ... it is to do with "Follow your nose"
... it is to do with "Follow your nose" ←
15:21:37 <Steven> Roland: We need a clearer statement of the problem
Roland Merrick: We need a clearer statement of the problem ←
15:23:19 <Steven> Steven: This was as a result of issue #674
Steven Pemberton: This was as a result of issue #674 ←
15:23:32 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/XHTML-2.0?id=674;user=guest;statetype=-3;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/XHTML-2.0?id=674;user=guest;statetype=-3;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1 ←
15:24:07 <Steven> Roland: Not a straightforward action this one
Roland Merrick: Not a straightforward action this one ←
15:25:19 <Steven> Shane: Although it mentions namespace, that is a red herring
Shane McCarron: Although it mentions namespace, that is a red herring ←
15:25:39 <ShaneM> profile=xhtml-NAME
Shane McCarron: profile=xhtml-NAME ←
15:27:00 <Steven> Steven: I wonder if we can short-circuit this
Steven Pemberton: I wonder if we can short-circuit this ←
15:27:18 <Steven> ... xhtml+xml already has a profile parameter, already used by XHTML-MP
... xhtml+xml already has a profile parameter, already used by XHTML-MP ←
15:27:28 <Steven> ... so can't we just use it?
... so can't we just use it? ←
15:27:35 <Steven> ... needs research
... needs research ←
15:27:50 <Steven> Shane: I will summarise by email
Shane McCarron: I will summarise by email ←
15:28:58 <Steven> Roland: Action 35
15:29:32 <Steven> trackbot, close action-35
15:29:32 <trackbot> ACTION-35 - ask XForms about Access Module concerns closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-35 - ask XForms about Access Module concerns closed ←
15:30:01 <Steven> Roland: Action 36
15:30:17 <Steven> Shane: Policy statement is done
Shane McCarron: Policy statement is done ←
15:30:27 <Steven> ... do we want it on the front page or linked?
... do we want it on the front page or linked? ←
15:30:30 <Steven> Roland: Linked
Roland Merrick: Linked ←
15:31:00 <Steven> Shane: In that case, where from. from Modularization?
Shane McCarron: In that case, where from. from Modularization? ←
15:31:03 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/#xhtml-modularization
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/#xhtml-modularization ←
15:32:59 <Steven> Roland: We'll put it inline where we talk about recommendations
Roland Merrick: We'll put it inline where we talk about recommendations ←
15:33:48 <Steven> trackbot, close action-40
15:33:48 <trackbot> ACTION-40 - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-40 - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2 closed ←
15:34:43 <Steven> trackbot, close action-30
15:34:44 <trackbot> ACTION-30 - request CR Transition for Role Module closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30 - request CR Transition for Role Module closed ←
15:35:21 <Steven> trackbot, close action-37
15:35:21 <trackbot> ACTION-37 - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-37 - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print closed ←
15:35:32 <Steven> trackbot, close action-38
15:35:32 <trackbot> ACTION-38 - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-38 - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) closed ←
15:36:00 <Steven> TOPIC: Mime type document
15:36:08 <Steven> Shane: Done, let's publish
Shane McCarron: Done, let's publish ←
15:37:04 <Steven> ... someone commented
... someone commented ←
15:37:13 <Steven> Roland: Discuss next week?
Roland Merrick: Discuss next week? ←
15:37:36 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008OctDec/0026.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008OctDec/0026.html ←
15:39:02 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html ←
15:41:07 <Steven> Markus: Action 39?
15:41:13 <Steven> Shane: I'm behind on that
Shane McCarron: I'm behind on that ←
15:41:25 <Steven> Markus: How should we deal with issues?
Markus Gylling: How should we deal with issues? ←
15:42:07 <Steven> Steven: On group list in first instance (public-xhtml2)
Steven Pemberton: On group list in first instance (public-xhtml2) ←
15:42:28 <Steven> Shane: If you have direct questions about the schema contact me directly
Shane McCarron: If you have direct questions about the schema contact me directly ←
15:42:38 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
[ADJOURN] ←
15:42:45 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
15:42:46 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:42:49 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:42:51 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
15:42:51 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
15:42:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, mgylling ←
15:42:59 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:42:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/07-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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15:43:19 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
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