IRC log of xhtml on 2009-01-07

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Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2

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Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 07 January 2009

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14:42:17 [Roland]

Chair: Roland

14:42:31 [Roland]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0002.html

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Regrets: Gregory, Alessio, Mark, Tina

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+Roland_Merrick

14:44:01 [Roland]

Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland

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+Roland; got it

14:44:03 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

14:44:03 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

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+??P12

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+??P13

14:44:39 [ShaneM]

zakim, ??p13 is ShaneM

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+ShaneM; got it

14:46:32 [Steven]

zakim, who is here?

14:46:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Roland, Steven, ??P12, ShaneM

14:46:33 [Zakim]

On IRC I see mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, Roland, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot

14:47:15 [Roland]

Zakim, P12 is mgylling

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sorry, Roland, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'

14:47:15 [Steven]

zakim, ??P13 is Markus

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I already had ??P13 as ShaneM, Steven

14:47:43 [Roland]

Zakim, ??P12 is mgylling

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+mgylling; got it

14:48:15 [Steven]

Scribe: Steven

14:48:20 [Steven]

Topic: CURIEs CR

14:49:06 [Steven]

Steven: Director's decision draft is in front of me, I'll be sending that off; we just need a date for the CR draft

14:49:19 [Steven]

Shane: WHo needs that date?

14:49:24 [Steven]

s/WH/Wh

14:49:33 [Steven]

Shane: How about Friday?

14:49:38 [Steven]

... 9th January

14:49:46 [Steven]

Steven: Thanks

14:50:38 [Steven]

Steven: Please check that we are referencing the newest XML

14:50:42 [Steven]

Shane: Think I did that

14:51:01 [Steven]

... but note that the latest definition of XML changes the definition of Name token

14:51:16 [Steven]

... oh wait, we discussed this already

14:51:33 [Steven]

Markus: We decided to stay with 4th edition for backwards compatbility

14:51:48 [Steven]

Shane: Yes, we agreed this for M12N too

14:51:56 [Steven]

... it affects CURIEs as well

14:52:13 [Steven]

... because we use the definition of Name token

14:52:23 [Steven]

... to define prefixes

14:53:41 [Steven]

Shane: We won't do it, and have a good reason

14:53:56 [Steven]

... I will point it to 4th edition (not 5th)

14:54:47 [Steven]

Steven: The RDFa test suite is probably good enough for CR period

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... does it cover safe CURIEs?

14:55:00 [Steven]

Shane: Definitely

14:56:53 [Steven]

Roland: And WAI-ARIA

14:57:13 [Steven]

Steven: We don't have to test it, just point to implementations that support CURIES

14:57:25 [Steven]

Shane: 4 week CR period? To 6th Feb

14:57:38 [Steven]

Steven: Looks good

14:57:56 [Steven]

... we have the implementations, so we're safe

14:58:08 [Steven]

Roland: Do we need a test plan?

14:58:50 [Steven]

Steven: We should say which RDFa tests test which CURIE feature (in the implementation report)

14:59:44 [Steven]

... Do we really cover everything in the suite?

14:59:53 [Steven]

Shane: We'll need to check to be absolutely sure

15:00:44 [ShaneM]

CR ready document is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-curie-20090109

15:00:49 [Steven]

TOPIC: role

15:01:06 [Steven]

Roland: We resolved to request CR for role

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... are we ready?

15:02:04 [Steven]

Steven: Didn't we have a reason not to do it at the same call as CURIE? Waiting for a reply from someone?

15:02:29 [ShaneM]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-role-lc2-doc-20081018.html

15:03:09 [Steven]

Steven: The DoC looks OK

15:05:45 [Steven]

Steven: Oh I remember, it was for access, we were waiting for a response from I18N

15:06:15 [Steven]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008OctDec/0023.html

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ACTION: Steven to follow up with I18N on access comments

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Created ACTION-41 - Follow up with I18N on access comments [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14].

15:08:54 [Steven]

Roland: Back to role

15:09:22 [Steven]

ACTION: Steven to request CR for role

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Created ACTION-42 - Request CR for role [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14].

15:10:03 [Steven]

TOPIC: Third editions

15:10:25 [Steven]

Roland: 1.0 3e, 1.1 2e, Print

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... delaying Basic?

15:10:47 [Steven]

Roland: Is the example problem solved?

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Steven: Yes I got agreement from Yam

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... Basic is ready to go

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Shane: It is RDFa that we will hold back on as we just went to rec

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Steven: So 4 specs going to PER

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... I think we should make that one request

15:11:56 [Steven]

Shane: Definitely

15:12:13 [Steven]

... PERs don't even need a transition call

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... IIRC

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ACTION: Steven to request PER for 4 specs using M12N

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Created ACTION-43 - Request PER for 4 specs using M12N [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-14].

15:13:48 [Steven]

TOPIC: Actions

15:13:51 [Roland]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open

15:14:33 [Steven]

Roland: 1, 2 continue

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... 14 continues

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... 17, we don't like the wording on positioning in the HTML5 spec

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Steven: I'll pick that up

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Roland: 20 - Steven

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Steven: I'll check whether I got to it

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Roland: 24 ongoing

15:19:00 [ShaneM]

role CR draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-role-20090115

15:19:23 [Steven]

Roland: 25 - Shane

15:19:28 [Steven]

Shane: Nearly done

15:19:39 [ShaneM]

access CR draft is up at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090115

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Roland: 26 - Shane

15:20:03 [Steven]

Shane: I've spoken to Mark Baker, he's happy to help, and not sure what we want

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... I need help to get this done

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... it is to do with "Follow your nose"

15:21:37 [Steven]

Roland: We need a clearer statement of the problem

15:23:19 [Steven]

Steven: This was as a result of issue #674

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http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/XHTML-2.0?id=674;user=guest;statetype=-3;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1

15:24:07 [Steven]

Roland: Not a straightforward action this one

15:25:19 [Steven]

Shane: Although it mentions namespace, that is a red herring

15:25:39 [ShaneM]

profile=xhtml-NAME

15:27:00 [Steven]

Steven: I wonder if we can short-circuit this

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... xhtml+xml already has a profile parameter, already used by XHTML-MP

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... so can't we just use it?

15:27:35 [Steven]

... needs research

15:27:50 [Steven]

Shane: I will summarise by email

15:28:58 [Steven]

Roland: Action 35

15:29:32 [Steven]

trackbot, close action-35

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ACTION-35 - ask XForms about Access Module concerns closed

15:30:01 [Steven]

Roland: Action 36

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Shane: Policy statement is done

15:30:27 [Steven]

... do we want it on the front page or linked?

15:30:30 [Steven]

Roland: Linked

15:31:00 [Steven]

Shane: In that case, where from. from Modularization?

15:31:03 [ShaneM]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/#xhtml-modularization

15:32:59 [Steven]

Roland: We'll put it inline where we talk about recommendations

15:33:48 [Steven]

trackbot, close action-40

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ACTION-40 - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2 closed

15:34:43 [Steven]

trackbot, close action-30

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ACTION-30 - request CR Transition for Role Module closed

15:35:21 [Steven]

trackbot, close action-37

15:35:21 [trackbot]

ACTION-37 - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print closed

15:35:32 [Steven]

trackbot, close action-38

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ACTION-38 - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) closed

15:36:00 [Steven]

TOPIC: Mime type document

15:36:08 [Steven]

Shane: Done, let's publish

15:37:04 [Steven]

... someone commented

15:37:13 [Steven]

Roland: Discuss next week?

15:37:36 [Steven]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008OctDec/0026.html

15:39:02 [Steven]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html

15:41:07 [Steven]

Markus: Action 39?

15:41:13 [Steven]

Shane: I'm behind on that

15:41:25 [Steven]

Markus: How should we deal with issues?

15:42:07 [Steven]

Steven: On group list in first instance (public-xhtml2)

15:42:28 [Steven]

Shane: If you have direct questions about the schema contact me directly

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[ADJOURN]

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-mgylling

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-Steven

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-ShaneM

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-Roland

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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended

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Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, mgylling

15:42:59 [Steven]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/07-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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