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13:55:15 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-xhtml-irc
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13:55:29 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:55:29 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes ←
13:55:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:55:51 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:55:55 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:56:08 <alessio> hallo steven :)
Alessio Cartocci: hallo steven :) ←
13:56:32 <Steven> Hi
Steven Pemberton: Hi ←
13:58:09 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0003
13:58:16 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0003
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0003 ←
13:58:57 <Steven> Apologies for late agenda. It was in my outbox, unsent because my ssh tunnel had crashed
Steven Pemberton: Apologies for late agenda. It was in my outbox, unsent because my ssh tunnel had crashed ←
14:01:41 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, codes? ←
14:01:41 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
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14:01:48 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
14:01:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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14:02:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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14:02:12 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:02:13 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
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14:02:14 <Zakim> +Dialer
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14:02:15 <Zakim> -Dialer
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Dialer ←
14:02:31 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
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14:02:58 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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14:03:29 <alessio> I have to exit from irc, with this proxy settings skype doesn't connect... sorry
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14:04:10 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:04:10 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:04:12 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:08:11 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:08:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven ←
14:08:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rich, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rich, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, krijnh ←
14:08:16 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
14:08:24 <Steven> zakim, ? is Rich
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ? is Rich ←
14:08:26 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
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14:14:29 <Zakim> +??P8
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14:15:24 <Zakim> -??P8
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14:15:41 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:15:54 <Steven> Topic: Announcements
14:16:48 <Steven> Steven: Next week Mark and I are at the Forms FtF and Roland is on vacation, so I priopose no call
Steven Pemberton: Next week Mark and I are at the Forms FtF and Roland is on vacation, so I propose no call ←
14:16:56 <Steven> Rich: I am travelling too
Richard Schwerdtfeger: I am travelling too ←
14:17:02 <Steven> s/prio/pro
14:17:08 <Steven> RESOLUTION: No call next week
RESOLVED: No call next week ←
14:17:16 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
14:17:27 <Steven> zakim, ? is Alessio
zakim, ? is Alessio ←
14:17:27 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:17:48 <Steven> Topic: Reviews
14:18:59 <Steven> Steven: SMIL3 uses XForms for state, so I thought I would draw out attention to it
Steven Pemberton: SMIL3 uses XForms for state, so I thought I would draw out attention to it ←
14:19:10 <Steven> ... we haven't explicitely been called out to review it
... we haven't explicitely been called out to review it ←
14:19:28 <Steven> Alessio: I am in the SYMM WG, so I can be a bridge between the WGs
Alessio Cartocci: I am in the SYMM WG, so I can be a bridge between the WGs ←
14:20:03 <Steven> Topic: Role
14:20:35 <Steven> Steven: There were three comments in the html-editors list
Steven Pemberton: There were three comments in the html-editors list ←
14:20:41 <Steven> ... I would like us to go through them
... I would like us to go through them ←
14:26:16 <Steven> Steven: So the first comment is about QNames
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Steven Pemberton: So the first comment is about QNames ←
14:26:31 <Steven> Mark: We should use CURIEs to be consistent
Mark Birbeck: We should use CURIEs to be consistent ←
14:26:42 <Steven> Rich: But we use QNames everywhere in ARIA
Richard Schwerdtfeger: But we use QNames everywhere in ARIA ←
14:27:02 <Steven> Steven: QNames are a subset of CURIEs, so every QName is also a CURIE
Steven Pemberton: QNames are a subset of CURIEs, so every QName is also a CURIE ←
14:27:19 <Steven> Rish: OK, good; we are about to go to last call, so we need to know now
Richard Schwerdtfeger: OK, good; we are about to go to last call, so we need to know now ←
14:27:25 <Steven> s/Rish/Rich/
14:27:45 <Steven> Steven: How do we feel about this?
Steven Pemberton: How do we feel about this? ←
14:27:56 <Steven> Shane: It makes our specs consistent with each other
Shane McCarron: It makes our specs consistent with each other ←
14:28:30 <Steven> Steven: OK, well we can copy the text in from the RDFa spec, but we do need to note that QNames are a subset in the text
Steven Pemberton: OK, well we can copy the text in from the RDFa spec, but we do need to note that QNames are a subset in the text ←
14:29:02 <Steven> Steven: The Modularization reference needs to be normative
Steven Pemberton: The Modularization reference needs to be normative ←
14:29:06 <Steven> Shane: Indeed
Shane McCarron: Indeed ←
14:30:44 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-role-20070817
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-role-20070817 ←
14:31:03 <Steven> Steven: THe last comment is about the RDF Schema
Steven Pemberton: THe last comment is about the RDF Schema ←
14:31:08 <Steven> Shane: It is in the latest draft
Shane McCarron: It is in the latest draft ←
14:31:13 <Steven> ... (see above)
... (see above) ←
14:31:55 <Steven> Mark: So that would deal with that comment
Mark Birbeck: So that would deal with that comment ←
14:32:12 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to DanC's three comments on role
ACTION: Steven to reply to DanC's three comments on role ←
14:32:15 <markbirbeck> If we modify the CURIES section to include the idea of qnames then we could put the same text back into rdfa and of course the curies draft itself.
Mark Birbeck: If we modify the CURIES section to include the idea of qnames then we could put the same text back into rdfa and of course the curies draft itself. ←
14:32:58 <Steven> Mark: In the CURIEs draft, is it worth saying that you can paste the text defining CURIEs directly into specs?
Mark Birbeck: In the CURIEs draft, is it worth saying that you can paste the text defining CURIEs directly into specs? ←
14:33:05 <Steven> ... (as we aredoing now)
... (as we are doing now) ←
14:33:13 <Steven> s/are/are /
14:33:57 <ShaneM> What I have done is said:
Shane McCarron: What I have done is said: ←
14:33:57 <ShaneM> <p> In order to allow for the compact expression of RDF statements,
Shane McCarron: <p> In order to allow for the compact expression of RDF statements, ←
14:33:57 <ShaneM> RDFa uses a superset of QNames [QName] that allows the contraction of all URIs (QNames have a syntactic restriction on the sorts of URI that can be contracted).</p
Shane McCarron: RDFa uses a superset of QNames [QName] that allows the contraction of all URIs (QNames have a syntactic restriction on the sorts of URI that can be contracted).</p ←
14:38:10 <Rich> http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/ARIA/BestPractices
Richard Schwerdtfeger: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/ARIA/BestPractices ←
14:38:13 <Steven> Steven: Should I point him to any test suites?
Steven Pemberton: Should I point him to any test suites? ←
14:38:23 <Steven> Rich: We have the ARIA stuff
Richard Schwerdtfeger: We have the ARIA stuff ←
14:38:24 <Rich> in the appendix
Richard Schwerdtfeger: in the appendix ←
14:38:43 <Steven> Shane: We will be producing a test suite as agreed a couple of weeks ago
Shane McCarron: We will be producing a test suite as agreed a couple of weeks ago ←
14:38:50 <Steven> ... but we don't need it for last call
... but we don't need it for last call ←
14:39:03 <Rich> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Accessible_DHTML
Richard Schwerdtfeger: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Accessible_DHTML ←
14:39:59 <Steven> Steven: That's a good example to point him to, thanks.
Steven Pemberton: That's a good example to point him to, thanks. ←
14:42:48 <Steven> Topic: RDFa
14:44:48 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax ←
14:45:03 <Steven> Steven: THe Task Force is coming to a resolution on all points now
Steven Pemberton: e Task Force is coming to a resolution on all points now ←
14:45:13 <Steven> ... the draft syntax document is taking shape
... the draft syntax document is taking shape ←
14:45:28 <Steven> ... so this WG should now/soon have a look at it
... so this WG should now/soon have a look at it ←
14:45:37 <Steven> ... this is for a SWD FtF in October
... this is for a SWD FtF in October ←
14:46:13 <Steven> s/TH/
14:46:17 <Steven> s/TH/Th
14:49:17 <Steven> Rich: Is the CURIE spec finished?
Richard Schwerdtfeger: Is the CURIE spec finished? ←
14:49:19 <Steven> Shane: No
Shane McCarron: No ←
14:49:28 <Steven> Rich: How do we use it then?
Richard Schwerdtfeger: How do we use it then? ←
14:50:11 <Steven> Steven: We are including the syntax and semantics inline in the role spec, so that the CURIE spec doesn't hold up role
Steven Pemberton: We are including the syntax and semantics inline in the role spec, so that the CURIE spec doesn't hold up role ←
14:50:16 <Steven> Topic: Access
14:50:25 <Steven> Shane: Did we get rid of the riase attribute?
Shane McCarron: Did we get rid of the raise attribute? ←
14:50:37 <Steven> s/riase/raise/
14:50:56 <Steven> Steven: I don't remember, I'd have to chech the minutes
Steven Pemberton: I don't remember, I'd have to chech the minutes ←
14:51:08 <Steven> Shane: I'm pretty sure we did; I think I'm OK
Shane McCarron: I'm pretty sure we did; I think I'm OK ←
14:52:12 <oedipus> sorry i'm late, but workmen have caused power outages and the phone line still doesn't work, so i have no choice but to belatedly relay my regrets
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Unknown oedipus: sorry i'm late, but workmen have caused power outages and the phone line still doesn't work, so i have no choice but to belatedly relay my regrets ←
14:52:40 <Steven> Regrets+Gregory
Regrets+Gregory ←
14:54:53 <Steven> Topic: CURIEs
14:56:00 <Steven> Steven: I think we have dealt with all the comments we have got
Steven Pemberton: I think we have dealt with all the comments we have got ←
14:56:12 <Steven> ... did we deal with the default namespace?
... did we deal with the default namespace? ←
14:56:32 <Steven> Shane: We don't talk about namespaces any more, but we do say what happens when there is no prefix
Shane McCarron: We don't talk about namespaces any more, but we do say what happens when there is no prefix ←
14:59:17 <Steven> [discussion of the relevant text in the RDFa spec]
[discussion of the relevant text in the RDFa spec] ←
14:59:48 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:59:49 <Steven> Steven: Reminder - no call next week
Steven Pemberton: Reminder - no call next week ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:59:52 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:59:54 <Zakim> -Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
15:00:00 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
15:00:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Dialer, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven, Rich, Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Dialer, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven, Rich, Alessio ←
15:00:08 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:00:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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16:15:17 <Steven> zakim, bye
zakim, bye ←
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