IRC log of xhtml on 2007-09-05

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13:55:29 [Steven]

zakim, this will be xhtml

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ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference

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Chair: Steven

13:56:08 [alessio]

hallo steven :)

13:56:32 [Steven]

Hi

13:58:09 [Steven]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0003

13:58:16 [Steven]

Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0003

13:58:57 [Steven]

Apologies for late agenda. It was in my outbox, unsent because my ssh tunnel had crashed

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zakim, codes?

14:01:41 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.

14:01:48 [markbirbeck]

zakim, code?

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the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

14:02:12 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

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ok, Steven; the call is being made

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IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started

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+Dialer

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-Dialer

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+markbirbeck

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+ShaneM

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I have to exit from irc, with this proxy settings skype doesn't connect... sorry

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zakim, dial steven-617

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ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

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zakim, who is here?

14:08:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven

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On IRC I see Rich, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, krijnh

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+??P5

14:08:24 [Steven]

zakim, ? is Rich

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+Rich; got it

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+??P8

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-??P8

14:15:41 [Steven]

Scribe: Steven

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Topic: Announcements

14:16:48 [Steven]

Steven: Next week Mark and I are at the Forms FtF and Roland is on vacation, so I priopose no call

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Rich: I am travelling too

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s/prio/pro

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RESOLUTION: No call next week

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+??P8

14:17:27 [Steven]

zakim, ? is Alessio

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+Alessio; got it

14:17:48 [Steven]

Topic: Reviews

14:18:59 [Steven]

Steven: SMIL3 uses XForms for state, so I thought I would draw out attention to it

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... we haven't explicitely been called out to review it

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Alessio: I am in the SYMM WG, so I can be a bridge between the WGs

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Topic: Role

14:20:35 [Steven]

Steven: There were three comments in the html-editors list

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... I would like us to go through them

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Steven: So the first comment is about QNames

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Mark: We should use CURIEs to be consistent

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Rich: But we use QNames everywhere in ARIA

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Steven: QNames are a subset of CURIEs, so every QName is also a CURIE

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Rish: OK, good; we are about to go to last call, so we need to know now

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s/Rish/Rich/

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Steven: How do we feel about this?

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Shane: It makes our specs consistent with each other

14:28:30 [Steven]

Steven: OK, well we can copy the text in from the RDFa spec, but we do need to note that QNames are a subset in the text

14:29:02 [Steven]

Steven: The Modularization reference needs to be normative

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Shane: Indeed

14:30:44 [ShaneM]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-role-20070817

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Steven: THe last comment is about the RDF Schema

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Shane: It is in the latest draft

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... (see above)

14:31:55 [Steven]

Mark: So that would deal with that comment

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ACTION: Steven to reply to DanC's three comments on role

14:32:15 [markbirbeck]

If we modify the CURIES section to include the idea of qnames then we could put the same text back into rdfa and of course the curies draft itself.

14:32:58 [Steven]

Mark: In the CURIEs draft, is it worth saying that you can paste the text defining CURIEs directly into specs?

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... (as we aredoing now)

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s/are/are /

14:33:57 [ShaneM]

What I have done is said:

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<p> In order to allow for the compact expression of RDF statements,

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RDFa uses a superset of QNames [QName] that allows the contraction of all URIs (QNames have a syntactic restriction on the sorts of URI that can be contracted).</p

14:38:10 [Rich]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/ARIA/BestPractices

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Steven: Should I point him to any test suites?

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Rich: We have the ARIA stuff

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in the appendix

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Shane: We will be producing a test suite as agreed a couple of weeks ago

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... but we don't need it for last call

14:39:03 [Rich]

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Accessible_DHTML

14:39:59 [Steven]

Steven: That's a good example to point him to, thanks.

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Topic: RDFa

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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax

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Steven: THe Task Force is coming to a resolution on all points now

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... the draft syntax document is taking shape

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... so this WG should now/soon have a look at it

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... this is for a SWD FtF in October

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s/TH/

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s/TH/Th

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Rich: Is the CURIE spec finished?

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Shane: No

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Rich: How do we use it then?

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Steven: We are including the syntax and semantics inline in the role spec, so that the CURIE spec doesn't hold up role

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Topic: Access

14:50:25 [Steven]

Shane: Did we get rid of the riase attribute?

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s/riase/raise/

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Steven: I don't remember, I'd have to chech the minutes

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Shane: I'm pretty sure we did; I think I'm OK

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sorry i'm late, but workmen have caused power outages and the phone line still doesn't work, so i have no choice but to belatedly relay my regrets

14:52:40 [Steven]

Regrets+Gregory

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Topic: CURIEs

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Steven: I think we have dealt with all the comments we have got

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... did we deal with the default namespace?

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Shane: We don't talk about namespaces any more, but we do say what happens when there is no prefix

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[discussion of the relevant text in the RDFa spec]

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-markbirbeck

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Steven: Reminder - no call next week

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-Steven

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-ShaneM

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-Rich

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-Alessio

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IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Dialer, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven, Rich, Alessio

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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... and let him know

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zakim, bye

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