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RDFa in XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 05 November 2009

Present

Unknown Manu_Sporny, Unknown Ben_Adida, Unknown Mark_Birbeck, Unknown Ivan_Herman

Regrets

Unknown Ben_Adida, Unknown Mark_Birbeck

Chair

Unknown Manu_Sporny

Scribe

Unknown manu

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Items
RDFa WG Charter
profile/vocab discussion
RDFa DOM API

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15:43:24 <manu> zakim, this will be rdfa

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15:43:24 <Zakim> ok, manu; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes

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15:44:07 <manu> Present: Manu_Sporny, Ben_Adida, Mark_Birbeck, Ivan_Herman

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15:44:12 <manu> Regrets: Steven_Pemberton

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15:44:17 <manu> Present+ Shane_McCarron

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15:44:45 <manu> Meeting: RDFa in XHTML Task Force

15:44:57 <manu> Chair: Ben_Adida

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15:45:38 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes

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15:57:58 <manu> zakim, shadi is manu

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16:00:21 <ivan> zakim, code?

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16:00:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan

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16:06:31 <manu> Topic: Action Items

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1. Action Items

16:06:36 <manu> ACTION: Manu to aggressively push review of test cases via mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/29-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

ACTION: Manu to aggressively push review of test cases via mailing list [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/29-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

16:06:43 <manu> -- continue

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16:07:00 <manu> Manu: Sent out overview

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Sent out overview [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:08:01 <manu> Manu: Asked 3 new test cases to be reviewed.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Asked 3 new test cases to be reviewed. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:08:09 <manu> ACTION: Manu to try and find other interested parties in RDFa WG. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

ACTION: Manu to try and find other interested parties in RDFa WG. [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

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16:08:51 <manu> ACTION: Ben to finish authoring RDFa WG charter. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

ACTION: Ben to finish authoring RDFa WG charter. [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

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16:08:57 <benadida> hey folks

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16:09:15 <manu> ACTION: Manu speak with Andy Seaborne about SPARQL.org implementation re: c14n [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Manu speak with Andy Seaborne about SPARQL.org implementation re: c14n [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

16:09:32 <benadida> I'm having a bit of a child care "crisis" this morning, I have to send regrets, too, sorry for the last minute.

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16:09:34 <manu> -- done

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16:10:38 <manu> ok Ben, we'll continue the telecon without you, hope your crisis becomes "solved" soon.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: ok Ben, we'll continue the telecon without you, hope your crisis becomes "solved" soon. ←

16:11:05 <benadida> yeah it's not horrendously serious, just requires my attention.

Unknown benadida: yeah it's not horrendously serious, just requires my attention. ←

16:11:07 <benadida> thanks.

Unknown benadida: thanks. ←

16:11:34 <manu> Manu: Do have more thoughts on RDFa WG, Ivan?

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Do have more thoughts on RDFa WG, Ivan? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:12:09 <manu> Ivan: We need more W3C members.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: We need more W3C members. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:12:51 <manu> Ivan: Currently in talks with a number of people offline - we seem to be in good shape.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Currently in talks with a number of people offline - we seem to be in good shape. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:13:50 <manu> Ivan: If we have 2 large search companies and a number of other smaller companies (all W3C members) we're fine.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: If we have 2 large search companies and a number of other smaller companies (all W3C members) we're fine. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:14:55 <manu> rrsagent, drop action 4

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16:15:32 <manu> Ivan: We should expect questions that are raised regarding why RDFa is a separate group from Semantic Web.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: We should expect questions that are raised regarding why RDFa is a separate group from Semantic Web. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:16:02 <manu> ACTION: Manu speak with Andy Seaborne about SPARQL.org implementation re: c14n [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Manu speak with Andy Seaborne about SPARQL.org implementation re: c14n [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

16:16:19 <manu> -- done

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16:16:32 <manu> Manu: Jeremy Carroll said that this is a bug in Jena/SPARQL.org

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16:16:40 <manu> Manu: Andy seemed to imply it was as well.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Andy seemed to imply it was as well. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:16:50 <manu> ACTION: Shane to look at XML spec and see if xml: is illegal in RDF/XML re: TC 142 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Shane to look at XML spec and see if xml: is illegal in RDF/XML re: TC 142 [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

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16:17:01 <manu> ACTION: Shane to re-draft XMLLiteral errata text [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]

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16:17:29 <manu> -- continues

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16:18:21 <manu> Topic: RDFa WG Charter

2. RDFa WG Charter

16:18:31 <manu> Ivan: I have one thing to mention re: the charter

Unknown Ivan_Herman: I have one thing to mention re: the charter [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:18:53 <manu> Ivan: I don't think we should include the Microsoft extensibility thing as a part of the RDFa charter.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: I don't think we should include the Microsoft extensibility thing as a part of the RDFa charter. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:19:23 <manu> Ivan: What happens if the HTML5 group stops the extensibility mechanism? Our charter would be wrong.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: What happens if the HTML5 group stops the extensibility mechanism? Our charter would be wrong. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:19:46 <manu> Manu: Fine to remove it - we were attempting to express that we'd like to work with HTML WG on distributed extensibility.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Fine to remove it - we were attempting to express that we'd like to work with HTML WG on distributed extensibility. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:21:33 <manu> Ivan: We need to remove names for W3C staff contact - wait until after a vote.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: We need to remove names for W3C staff contact - wait until after a vote. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:21:59 <manu> Manu: ok, made both changes to the charter.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: ok, made both changes to the charter. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:22:41 <manu> Ivan: The other discussion we'll want to have is IG vs. WG

Unknown Ivan_Herman: The other discussion we'll want to have is IG vs. WG [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:23:13 <manu> Shane: We want to publish REC track documents, so we have to be a WG.

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Unknown Shane: We want to publish REC track documents, so we have to be a WG. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:24:17 <manu> Ivan: So, an open question is that RDFa 1.1 will probably apply to HTML5, so why the new WG?

Unknown Ivan_Herman: So, an open question is that RDFa 1.1 will probably apply to HTML5, so why the new WG? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:25:13 <manu> Shane: XHTML+RDFa module has to be updated, and is work that is done independently of the HTML5 spec. That's why we need a new WG.

Unknown Shane: XHTML+RDFa module has to be updated, and is work that is done independently of the HTML5 spec. That's why we need a new WG. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:25:27 <manu> Manu: There is also an RDFa 1.1 Core spec

Unknown Manu_Sporny: There is also an RDFa 1.1 Core spec [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:25:44 <manu> Ivan: Right, the underlying RDFa 1.1 Core spec would be independent of any language.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Right, the underlying RDFa 1.1 Core spec would be independent of any language. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:26:02 <manu> Ivan: There is MediaRSS - which is RDFa being used in a non-XML dialect.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: There is MediaRSS - which is RDFa being used in a non-XHTML dialect. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:26:14 <manu> Ivan: That should be a REC, and must be done by a WG, not at IG.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: That should be a REC, and must be done by a WG, not at IG. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:26:43 <manu> s/non-XML/non-XHTML/

16:27:05 <manu> Shane: Sure - we should have some kind of language-agnostic RDFa 1.1 Core document.

Unknown Shane: Sure - we should have some kind of language-agnostic RDFa 1.1 Core document. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:27:15 <manu> Shane: An evolution of the current spec could do that pretty easily.

Unknown Shane: An evolution of the current spec could do that pretty easily. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:27:23 <manu> Shane: The XHTML logic is restricted to 1 chapter.

Unknown Shane: The XHTML logic is restricted to 1 chapter. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:27:45 <manu> Ivan: A little more than that - we refer to href and img, and some other HTML dependent things.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: A little more than that - we refer to href and img, and some other HTML dependent things. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:27:53 <ShaneM> @src too

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Unknown ShaneM: @src too ←

16:28:26 <manu> Ivan: We could do a generic spec which may have an additional XHTML spec.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: We could do a generic spec which may have an additional XHTML spec. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:28:39 <manu> Ivan: We have to be very specific about what the WG is producing.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: We have to be very specific about what the WG is producing. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:30:27 <manu> Topic: profile/vocab discussion

3. profile/vocab discussion

16:33:22 <manu> Manu: @profile is perma-thread area on HTML WG and WHAT WG.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: @profile is perma-thread area on HTML WG and WHAT WG. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:33:34 <manu> Topic: RDFa DOM API

4. RDFa DOM API

16:34:46 <manu> Manu: Two approaches - generic RDF DOM API, and a specific RDFa DOM API.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Two approaches - generic RDF DOM API, and a specific RDFa DOM API. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:35:04 <manu> Ivan: We may not want to make this an HTML-specific thing.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: We may not want to make this an HTML-specific thing. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:35:41 <manu> Shane: I don't think there is an HTML DOM - so, we may want to do something that is XML-specific.

Unknown Shane: I don't think there is an HTML DOM - so, we may want to do something that is XML-specific. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:35:58 <manu> Shane: XHTML/HTML DOM was something we never wanted to do.

Unknown Shane: XHTML/HTML DOM was something we never wanted to do. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:36:11 <manu> Ivan: What might be faster and easier to define would be the RDFa-specific DOM API.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: What might be faster and easier to define would be the RDFa-specific DOM API. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:36:43 <manu> Ivan: At ISWC2009, there was a paper on how one could extract triples from an element.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: At ISWC2009, there was a paper on how one could extract triples from an element. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:36:53 <manu> Ivan: The point is that there is a slightly more general issue that is coming up.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: The point is that there is a slightly more general issue that is coming up. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:37:18 <manu> Ivan: How can we reconcile this: How do I get and manage RDF data from Javascript in general? Regardless of whether or not it comes from RDFa?

Unknown Ivan_Herman: How can we reconcile this: How do I get and manage RDF data from Javascript in general? Regardless of whether or not it comes from RDFa? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:37:43 <manu> Ivan: TimBL was done in Javascript, data was extracted from all places... RDFa is just one source.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Tabulator was done in Javascript, data was extracted from all places... RDFa is just one source. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:37:51 <manu> Ivan: it would be nice if these two things could be reconciled.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: it would be nice if these two things could be reconciled. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:37:57 <manu> Ivan: Unless it becomes overcomplicated.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Unless it becomes overcomplicated. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:38:15 <ShaneM> s/TimBL/Tabulator/

16:41:31 <manu> Manu: So, we could use the jQuery approach - specific API for RDFa

Unknown Manu_Sporny: So, we could use the jQuery approach - specific API for RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:41:41 <manu> Manu: Then jQuery provides the RDF query mechanism.

Unknown Manu_Sporny: Then jQuery provides the RDF query mechanism. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:42:18 <manu> Shane: I think this could conflict with the way the HTML5 group does things.

Unknown Shane: I think this could conflict with the way the HTML5 group does things. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:47:19 <manu> Manu: If we do the jQuery approach - we could tie in a unified RDF query mechanism, regardless of the underlying data expression mechanism - Microdata, RDFa, Microformats, etc.

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Unknown Manu_Sporny: If we do the jQuery approach - we could tie in a unified RDF query mechanism, regardless of the underlying data expression mechanism - Microdata, RDFa, Microformats, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:47:53 <manu> Ivan: So, are we interested in a generic API to extract data out of triple stores, regardless of where it comes from.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: So, are we interested in a generic API to extract data out of triple stores, regardless of where it comes from. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:49:01 <manu> Ivan: Is that a something that the RDFa WG would like to solve?

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Is that a something that the RDFa WG would like to solve? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:50:30 <manu> Ivan: There is a clear pressure from a number of people that we need something at the triple store level... a specific RDFa API won't solve the real problem.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: There is a clear pressure from a number of people that we need something at the triple store level... a specific RDFa API won't solve the real problem. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:50:41 <manu> Shane: So, RDFa API is necessary, but not sufficient.

Unknown Shane: So, RDFa API is necessary, but not sufficient. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:51:20 <manu> Ivan: Is another WG needed to provide this? Or can this be solved in the RDFa WG?

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Is another WG needed to provide this? Or can this be solved in the RDFa WG? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:52:14 <manu> Ivan: What I'm interested in is the integrated triple store.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: What I'm interested in is the integrated triple store. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:52:31 <manu> Ivan: From a SemWeb programmers point of view, this is what I'd want.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: From a SemWeb programmers point of view, this is what I'd want. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:53:05 <manu> Shane: I see a couple of different things here, one of them is having triple-store access available. Via the DOM or otherwise.

Unknown Shane: I see a couple of different things here, one of them is having triple-store access available. Via the DOM or otherwise. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:53:13 <manu> Shane: This is an API for extracting triples from a URI.

Unknown Shane: This is an API for extracting triples from a URI. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:53:55 <manu> Ivan: In rdflib, there is no provenance.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: In rdflib, there is no provenance. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:54:06 <manu> Ivan: Everything gets merged into the same bin.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Everything gets merged into the same bin. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:54:42 <manu> Manu: So is it fair to say that we're talking about a TripleStore API?

Unknown Manu_Sporny: So is it fair to say that we're talking about a TripleStore API? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:54:50 <manu> Ivan: Yes... but these two should meet somewhere.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Yes... but these two should meet somewhere. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:54:59 <manu> Ivan: Maybe only at an implementation level.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Maybe only at an implementation level. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:55:36 <manu> Ivan: Some have said you don't need a TripleStore API - you only need a SPARQL API.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Some have said you don't need a TripleStore API - you only need a SPARQL API. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:55:54 <manu> Ivan: Just like you don't have an API to get SQL data, you just issue SQL commands.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Just like you don't have an API to get SQL data, you just issue SQL commands. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:59:16 <manu> Ivan: I think charter text should make these points very clearly.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: I think charter text should make these points very clearly. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

16:59:33 <manu> ACTION: Manu to update the charter to talk about RDFa API

ACTION: Manu to update the charter to talk about RDFa API ←

17:00:01 <manu> Manu: We could do TripleStore API in jquery?

Unknown Manu_Sporny: We could do TripleStore API in jquery? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

17:00:27 <manu> Ivan: Maybe we want to put conditional item in there about TripleStore API

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Maybe we want to put conditional item in there about TripleStore API [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

17:00:38 <manu> Ivan: Maybe we plan to have a Note on a generic TripleStore API.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: Maybe we plan to have a Note on a generic TripleStore API. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

17:01:10 <manu> Ivan: We would not be obligated to do TripleStore API, but we will look into the issue.

Unknown Ivan_Herman: We would not be obligated to do TripleStore API, but we will look into the issue. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←

17:01:35 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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17:01:37 <Zakim> -manu

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17:01:39 <Zakim> -Ivan

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17:01:41 <Zakim> Attendees were manu, ShaneM, Ivan

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17:04:05 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:04:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html ivan

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17:04:24 <manu> s/--continue/--continues/

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17:04:28 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:04:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html manu

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17:05:03 <manu> Present- Mark_Birbeck

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17:05:16 <manu> Present- Ben_Adida

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17:05:35 <manu> Regrets: Ben_Adida, Mark_Birbeck

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17:05:39 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:05:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html manu

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17:06:04 <manu> Regrets+ Steven_Pemberton

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17:06:06 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:06:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html manu

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17:06:25 <manu> Chair: Manu_Sporny

17:06:27 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:06:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html manu

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17:07:25 <manu> s/\-\-continue/\-\-continues/

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17:07:27 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:07:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html manu

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17:07:44 <manu> s/Chair: Ben_Adida/Chair: Manu Sporny/

17:07:47 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:07:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html manu

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17:08:41 <manu> turns out, HTML WG call is replaced by F2F TPAC meeting.

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17:48:29 <manu> rrsagent, bye

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to aggressively push review of test cases via mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/29-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [1]

ACTION: Manu to aggressively push review of test cases via mailing list [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/29-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] [1] ←

17:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-irc#T16-06-36

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to try and find other interested parties in RDFa WG. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]  [2]

ACTION: Manu to try and find other interested parties in RDFa WG. [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] [2] ←

17:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-irc#T16-08-09

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to finish authoring RDFa WG charter. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [3]

ACTION: Ben to finish authoring RDFa WG charter. [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] [3] ←

17:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-irc#T16-08-51-1

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu speak with Andy Seaborne about SPARQL.org implementation re: c14n [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [5]

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-irc#T16-16-02

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to look at XML spec and see if xml: is illegal in RDF/XML re: TC 142 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [6]

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-irc#T16-16-50

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to re-draft XMLLiteral errata text [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action04] [7]

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-irc#T16-17-01

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to update the charter to talk about RDFa API [8]

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17:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-irc#T16-59-33

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17:48:32 <manu> zakim, bye

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