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RDF-in-XHTML TF 2008-07-10

Minutes of 10 July 2008

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jul/0008.html
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Unknown Ben_Adida, Unknown JeremyCarroll, Unknown Michael_Hausenblas, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown jeremycarroll, Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown msporny
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Unknown Ben
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Unknown mhausenblas
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  1. to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian. link
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15:02:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc

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15:02:11 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

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Unknown mhausenblas: zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

15:02:11 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM already started

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15:02:22 <mhausenblas> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF 2008-07-10
15:02:23 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:02:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

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15:02:27 <Zakim> -jeremycarroll

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15:02:29 <Zakim> +jeremycarroll

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15:02:29 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jul/0008.html
15:02:36 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

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15:02:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremycarroll, ShaneM

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15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, msporny, ShaneM, mhausenblas

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15:02:37 <msporny> heeey, it's Jeremy!

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15:02:41 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas

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15:02:44 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617

15:02:47 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:02:49 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:02:49 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-07-03

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Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-07-03

15:03:03 <Zakim> +??P11

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15:03:04 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben

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15:03:09 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P11

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Unknown msporny: zakim, I am ??P11

15:03:09 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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15:03:20 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:03:48 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

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(Scribe set to Unknown mhausenblas)

15:04:29 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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15:04:52 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ralph

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regrets+ Ralph

15:04:58 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Mark

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regrets+ Mark

15:05:13 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public

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RRSAgent, make logs public

15:06:01 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:06:08 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

15:06:14 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

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[NEW] ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13]

15:06:21 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:06:41 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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[NEW] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12]

15:06:47 <ShaneM> working onit

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Unknown ShaneM: working onit

15:07:27 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:07:34 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

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[NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09]

15:07:46 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:07:55 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

15:08:20 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:08:27 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06]

15:08:34 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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-- continues

15:09:17 <mhausenblas> Manu: Would be good to chat with people about how to design the vocabulary

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Unknown Manu: Would be good to chat with people about how to design the vocabulary

15:09:49 <benadida> MichaelH: in general, you don't get it right the first time you design a vocab, give it a shot.

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Unknown MichaelH: in general, you don't get it right the first time you design a vocab, give it a shot. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

15:12:30 <JeremyCarroll> q+

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: q+

15:12:50 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:13:28 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Many of our customers want bigger ontologies; think of computational costs

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: Many of our customers want bigger ontologies; think of computational costs

15:13:43 <mhausenblas> ... owl:sameAs is expensive

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... owl:sameAs is expensive

15:14:32 <mhausenblas> ... make it easier for tools by not expecting inferencing

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... make it easier for tools by not expecting inferencing

15:14:54 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss internal consistency

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Unknown ShaneM: q+ to discuss internal consistency

15:15:25 <ShaneM> q-

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Unknown ShaneM: q-

15:15:39 <Steven> My action is done

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Unknown Steven: My action is done

15:15:50 <Steven> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials#vEvent

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Unknown Steven: http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials#vEvent

15:16:01 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

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[NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09]

15:16:03 <mhausenblas> -- done

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-- done

15:16:11 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]

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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03]

15:16:14 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:19:31 <mhausenblas> Ben: In future versions RDFa may support sequences as well, worth considering for example in RSS

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Unknown Ben: In future versions RDFa may support sequences as well, worth considering for example in RSS

15:20:51 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Shall we write up some examples for RSS?

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: Shall we write up some examples for RSS?

15:21:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: see for example http://riese.joanneum.at/updates/

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Unknown Michael: see for example http://riese.joanneum.at/updates/

15:22:21 <mhausenblas> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials

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http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials

15:23:43 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq)

ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq)

15:25:04 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07]

15:25:09 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:25:14 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12]

15:25:15 <mhausenblas> -- continues

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15:25:22 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12]

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15:25:30 <mhausenblas> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa-for-microformats-users

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http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa-for-microformats-users

15:26:04 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

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[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11]

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15:26:26 <mhausenblas> Ben: next week I wont be around

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Unknown Ben: next week I wont be around

15:26:26 <Steven> Me regrets for 3 weeks

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Unknown Steven: Me regrets for 3 weeks

15:26:38 <mhausenblas> Manu ok to chair?

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Manu ok to chair?

15:26:40 <mhausenblas> MAnu: Yes

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Unknown MAnu: Yes

15:26:52 <mhausenblas> Michael: Next two telecons regrets as well

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Unknown Michael: Next two telecons regrets as well

15:26:56 <mhausenblas> Topic: CR Comments

2. CR Comments

15:27:09 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2

15:27:26 <mhausenblas> Ben: First comment by Florian

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Unknown Ben: First comment by Florian

15:27:29 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/121

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/121

15:27:42 <mhausenblas> Ben: I'm ok to clarify and reply

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Unknown Ben: I'm ok to clarify and reply

15:28:22 <mhausenblas> Shane: Just an editorial change - will check

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Unknown Shane: Just an editorial change - will check

15:28:28 <mhausenblas> ... should mark as resolved

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... should mark as resolved

15:29:32 <benadida> PROPOSE: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian.

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Unknown PROPOSE: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

15:29:38 <mhausenblas> +1

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+1

15:29:45 <msporny> +1

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Unknown msporny: +1

15:30:11 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian.

RESOLVED: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian.

15:30:36 <benadida> ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back

ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back

15:30:51 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-122 by Alan

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ISSUE-122 by Alan

15:30:57 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0080.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0080.html

15:32:09 <mhausenblas> Ben: Needs some clarification, but no show-stoppers

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Unknown Ben: Needs some clarification, but no show-stoppers

15:32:46 <mhausenblas> Manu: re 'Here there is a question of what "referring" to means.'

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Unknown Manu: re 'Here there is a question of what "referring" to means.'

15:32:55 <Zakim> -msporny

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Zakim IRC Bot: -msporny

15:32:58 <mhausenblas> ... we need to state what we mean

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... we need to state what we mean

15:33:05 <msporny> crap, lost my VoIP connection

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Unknown msporny: crap, lost my VoIP connection

15:33:50 <mhausenblas> Shane: There might be a risk in clarifying

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Unknown Shane: There might be a risk in clarifying

15:33:59 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

15:34:04 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P11

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Unknown msporny: zakim, I am ??P11

15:34:04 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +msporny; got it

15:34:27 <mhausenblas> ... what @about is refering to

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... what @about is refering to

15:37:36 <JeremyCarroll> q+

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: q+

15:37:52 <mhausenblas> Ben: Try to catch Alan in Boston and talk with him about this

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Unknown Ben: Try to catch Alan in Boston and talk with him about this

15:38:21 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:39:05 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Pragmatic view is needed here; the abstract one's don't help

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: Pragmatic view is needed here; the abstract one's don't help

15:40:00 <mhausenblas> Steven: At XTech I saw the semantic search engine's problem with wrong inference

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Unknown Steven: At XTech I saw the semantic search engine's problem with wrong inference

15:40:39 <mhausenblas> Ben: Steven, saw your proposal re new non-HTTP URI scheme

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Unknown Ben: Steven, saw your proposal re new non-HTTP URI scheme

15:41:04 <mhausenblas> Steven: but bNodes workaround is fine

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Unknown Steven: but bNodes workaround is fine

15:41:28 <JeremyCarroll> http://larry.masinter.net/duri.html - for steven's attention

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: http://larry.masinter.net/duri.html - for steven's attention

15:43:37 <JeremyCarroll> q+

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: q+

15:44:07 <mhausenblas> Ben: Manu, can you write-up your issues with it?

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Unknown Ben: Manu, can you write-up your issues with it?

15:44:11 <mhausenblas> Manu: yep

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Unknown Manu: yep

15:44:15 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:45:04 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary.

ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary.

15:45:28 <mhausenblas> Michael: I generally advocate the usage of HTTP URIs.

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Unknown Michael: I generally advocate the usage of HTTP URIs.

15:47:16 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122

ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122

15:47:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:47:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:47:32 <mhausenblas> Topic: Implementation Report

3. Implementation Report

15:47:39 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/

15:47:50 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask about TQ's contribution

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: q+ to ask about TQ's contribution

15:47:53 <mhausenblas> Ben: re Ajax EARL generator

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Unknown Ben: re Ajax EARL generator

15:48:00 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:48:00 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask about TQ's contribution

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask about TQ's contribution

15:48:24 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: We at TopQuadrant have an RDFa editor

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: We at TopQuadrant have an RDFa editor

15:48:37 <mhausenblas> ... we could report on that

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... we could report on that

15:49:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: Could you add it to http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tools ?

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Unknown Michael: Could you add it to http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tools ?

15:50:04 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Reading is out-sourced

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Unknown JeremyCarroll: Reading is out-sourced

15:50:15 <mhausenblas> ... suspect Fabien's XSLT

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... suspect Fabien's XSLT

15:51:16 <benadida> ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki

ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki

15:51:33 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:51:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:51:37 <Zakim> -Steven

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15:51:38 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas

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15:51:39 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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15:51:40 <Zakim> -msporny

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15:51:42 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll

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15:51:43 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

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15:51:43 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

15:51:45 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]

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[adjourned]

15:51:45 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, JeremyCarroll, msporny, Ben_Adida

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, JeremyCarroll, msporny, Ben_Adida

15:52:00 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:52:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:52:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye

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Zakim, bye

15:52:24 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, bye

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rrsagent, bye

15:52:24 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-actions.rdf :

15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [1]

ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [1]

15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-23-43

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15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back [2]

ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back [2]

15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-30-36

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15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary. [3]

ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary. [3]

15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-45-04

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15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [4]

ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [4]

15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-47-16

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15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [5]

ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [5]

15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-51-16

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