IRC log of rdfa on 2008-07-10

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc

15:02:11 [mhausenblas]

zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

15:02:11 [Zakim]

ok, mhausenblas, I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM already started

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Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF 2008-07-10

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+ShaneM

15:02:27 [Steven]

rrsagent, make log public

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-jeremycarroll

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+jeremycarroll

15:02:29 [mhausenblas]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jul/0008.html

15:02:36 [Steven]

zakim, who is here?

15:02:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeremycarroll, ShaneM

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On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, msporny, ShaneM, mhausenblas

15:02:37 [msporny]

heeey, it's Jeremy!

15:02:41 [Zakim]

+Michael_Hausenblas

15:02:44 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

15:02:47 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

15:02:49 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-07-03

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+??P11

15:03:04 [mhausenblas]

Chair: Ben

15:03:09 [msporny]

zakim, I am ??P11

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+msporny; got it

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+Ben_Adida

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ScribeNick: mhausenblas

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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regrets+ Ralph

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regrets+ Mark

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Topic: Action Items

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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

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[NEW] ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

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-- continues

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[NEW] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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working onit

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-- continues

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[NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

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-- continues

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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

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-- continues

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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

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-- continues

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Manu: Would be good to chat with people about how to design the vocabulary

15:09:49 [benadida]

MichaelH: in general, you don't get it right the first time you design a vocab, give it a shot.

15:12:30 [JeremyCarroll]

q+

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:13:28 [mhausenblas]

JeremyCarroll: Many of our customers want bigger ontologies; think of computational costs

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... owl:sameAs is expensive

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... make it easier for tools by not expecting inferencing

15:14:54 [ShaneM]

q+ to discuss internal consistency

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q-

15:15:39 [Steven]

My action is done

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http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials#vEvent

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[NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

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-- done

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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]

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-- continues

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Ben: In future versions RDFa may support sequences as well, worth considering for example in RSS

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JeremyCarroll: Shall we write up some examples for RSS?

15:21:18 [mhausenblas]

Michael: see for example http://riese.joanneum.at/updates/

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http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials

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ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq)

15:25:04 [mhausenblas]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

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-- continues

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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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-- continues

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[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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-- continues

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http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa-for-microformats-users

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[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

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-- continues

15:26:26 [mhausenblas]

Ben: next week I wont be around

15:26:26 [Steven]

Me regrets for 3 weeks

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15:26:38 [mhausenblas]

Manu ok to chair?

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MAnu: Yes

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Michael: Next two telecons regrets as well

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Topic: CR Comments

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2

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Ben: First comment by Florian

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/121

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Ben: I'm ok to clarify and reply

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Shane: Just an editorial change - will check

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... should mark as resolved

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PROPOSE: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian.

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+1

15:29:45 [msporny]

+1

15:30:11 [mhausenblas]

RESOLVED: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian.

15:30:36 [benadida]

ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back

15:30:51 [mhausenblas]

ISSUE-122 by Alan

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0080.html

15:32:09 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Needs some clarification, but no show-stoppers

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Manu: re 'Here there is a question of what "referring" to means.'

15:32:55 [Zakim]

-msporny

15:32:58 [mhausenblas]

... we need to state what we mean

15:33:05 [msporny]

crap, lost my VoIP connection

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Shane: There might be a risk in clarifying

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+??P11

15:34:04 [msporny]

zakim, I am ??P11

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+msporny; got it

15:34:27 [mhausenblas]

... what @about is refering to

15:37:36 [JeremyCarroll]

q+

15:37:52 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Try to catch Alan in Boston and talk with him about this

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:39:05 [mhausenblas]

JeremyCarroll: Pragmatic view is needed here; the abstract one's don't help

15:40:00 [mhausenblas]

Steven: At XTech I saw the semantic search engine's problem with wrong inference

15:40:39 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Steven, saw your proposal re new non-HTTP URI scheme

15:41:04 [mhausenblas]

Steven: but bNodes workaround is fine

15:41:28 [JeremyCarroll]

http://larry.masinter.net/duri.html - for steven's attention

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q+

15:44:07 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Manu, can you write-up your issues with it?

15:44:11 [mhausenblas]

Manu: yep

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:45:04 [msporny]

ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary.

15:45:28 [mhausenblas]

Michael: I generally advocate the usage of HTTP URIs.

15:47:16 [benadida]

ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122

15:47:20 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:47:32 [mhausenblas]

Topic: Implementation Report

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/

15:47:50 [JeremyCarroll]

q+ to ask about TQ's contribution

15:47:53 [mhausenblas]

Ben: re Ajax EARL generator

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ack JeremyCarroll

15:48:00 [Zakim]

JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask about TQ's contribution

15:48:24 [mhausenblas]

JeremyCarroll: We at TopQuadrant have an RDFa editor

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... we could report on that

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Michael: Could you add it to http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tools ?

15:50:04 [mhausenblas]

JeremyCarroll: Reading is out-sourced

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... suspect Fabien's XSLT

15:51:16 [benadida]

ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki

15:51:33 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:51:37 [Zakim]

-Steven

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-Michael_Hausenblas

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-ShaneM

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-msporny

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-JeremyCarroll

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-Ben_Adida

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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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[adjourned]

15:51:45 [Zakim]

Attendees were ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, JeremyCarroll, msporny, Ben_Adida

15:52:00 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:52:17 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

15:52:24 [RRSAgent]

I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-23-43

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ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-30-36

15:52:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary. [3]

15:52:24 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-45-04

15:52:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-47-16

15:52:24 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-51-16