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RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 15 May 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0116.html
Seen
Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven.a, Unknown Steven, Unknown msporny
Chair
Unknown Manu
Scribe
Unknown Ralph
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. test 39 approved link
  2. test 40 approved after changes to drop @about and use html:alternate link
  3. test 42 approved after changing to a negative test and removing triples from the SPARQL link
  4. tests 43, 44, and 45 dropped link
  5. reject tests 95, 96, 97 link
  6. test 104 approved link
  7. test 107 approved link
  8. accept test 108 correcting the SPARQL to specify the language link
  9. to accept test 109 with an added XML comment noting this is not valid XHTML link
  10. Add a comment to rdfa-syntax that conforming parsers are NOT required to generate triples from invalid input. link
Topics

  1. Test Case Review

  2. Unreviewed Tests

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14:53:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-rdfa-irc

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14:54:15 <msporny> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

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Unknown msporny: zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa) ←

14:54:15 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes ←

14:54:48 <msporny> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
14:55:06 <msporny> previous, http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html

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Unknown msporny: previous, http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html ←

14:55:29 <msporny> Chair: Manu

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14:55:43 <msporny> rrsagent, make log public

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Unknown msporny: rrsagent, make log public ←

14:55:52 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes

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Unknown msporny: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

14:55:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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14:56:24 <ShaneM> I think we are going to be a little light on attendes today

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Unknown ShaneM: I think we are going to be a little light on attendes today ←

14:56:39 <msporny> yeah...

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Unknown msporny: yeah... ←

14:56:45 <msporny> do you know if Ralph is gonna be here?

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Unknown msporny: do you know if Ralph is gonna be here? ←

14:57:02 <msporny> 3 people would be enough to get through Test Cases.

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Unknown msporny: 3 people would be enough to get through Test Cases. ←

14:57:55 <msporny> yaaay, Ralph!

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Unknown msporny: yaaay, Ralph! ←

14:58:09 <Ralph> ??

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Unknown Ralph: ?? ←

14:58:18 <msporny> Just happy to see you, Ralph :)

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Unknown msporny: Just happy to see you, Ralph :) ←

14:58:21 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started ←

14:58:28 <Zakim> +Ralph

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14:58:28 <Ralph> ah :)  well, thanks

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Unknown Ralph: ah :) well, thanks ←

14:58:39 <Ralph> happy to be here

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Unknown Ralph: happy to be here ←

14:59:17 <Zakim> +??P1

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14:59:21 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P1

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Unknown msporny: zakim, I am ??P1 ←

14:59:21 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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14:59:28 <Steven> Hi gang.

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Unknown Steven: Hi gang. ←

14:59:48 <msporny> zakim, who's on the call?

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Unknown msporny: zakim, who's on the call? ←

14:59:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph, msporny

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14:59:51 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0116.html
15:00:04 <Steven> There is a national ADSL breakdown here (3 days long alread), so the only internet connection I have is via the same mobile phone I will be phoning in on

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Unknown Steven: There is a national ADSL breakdown here (3 days long alread), so the only internet connection I have is via the same mobile phone I will be phoning in on ←

15:00:14 <Steven> so expect poor sound

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Unknown Steven: so expect poor sound ←

15:00:37 <msporny> no chance you're going to be able to see Test Cases to review them, then, Steven?

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Unknown msporny: no chance you're going to be able to see Test Cases to review them, then, Steven? ←

15:00:51 <Steven> I'll try

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Unknown Steven: I'll try ←

15:00:56 <msporny> Shane, are you going to be able to dial in?

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Unknown msporny: Shane, are you going to be able to dial in? ←

15:01:11 <ShaneM> I am in

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Unknown ShaneM: I am in ←

15:01:28 <Steven> As soon as I hit a link, the sound quality deteriorates

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Unknown Steven: As soon as I hit a link, the sound quality deteriorates ←

15:01:32 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:03:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile ←

15:03:14 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:03:14 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:03:47 <Ralph> Shane: I raised issue-120 and I believe it's [easy to] close

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Unknown Shane: I raised ISSUE-120 and I believe it's [easy to] close [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:03:59 <Ralph> scribenick: Ralph

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(Scribe set to Unknown Ralph)

15:04:04 <Steven> zakim, drop me

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Unknown Steven: zakim, drop me ←

15:04:04 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected

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15:04:05 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:04:08 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

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Unknown msporny: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary ←

15:04:15 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile ←

15:04:15 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

15:04:17 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:04:27 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Manu to e-mail final Christian Hoertnagl response. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

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[DONE] ACTION: Manu to e-mail final Christian Hoertnagl response. [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:04:33 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Manu to review current on hold test cases and e-mail list on what we should do with them. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

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[DONE] ACTION: Manu to review current on hold test cases and e-mail list on what we should do with them. [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:04:40 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:04:42 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:04:44 <Ralph> -- continues

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-- continues ←

15:04:50 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile ←

15:04:54 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

15:04:56 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:05:03 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:05:03 <Ralph>

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←

15:05:08 <Ralph> -- continues

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-- continues ←

15:05:16 <Ralph> Manu: I've sent email, awaiting a response

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Unknown Manu: I've sent email, awaiting a response ←

15:05:16 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:05:22 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:05:25 <Ralph> -- continues

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-- continues ←

15:05:29 <Ralph> Manu: it's in progress

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Unknown Manu: it's in progress ←

15:05:40 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-87 [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:05:47 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:06:06 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/87 issue 87

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/87 ISSUE-87 ←

15:06:11 <Ralph> Shane: issue 87 is closed

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Unknown Shane: ISSUE-87 is closed ←

15:06:11 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:06:15 <Steven> it was working earlier today. Not ringing my end

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Unknown Steven: it was working earlier today. Not ringing my end ←

15:06:17 <Ralph> -- done

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-- done ←

15:06:33 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile ←

15:06:33 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

15:06:36 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:06:37 <Ralph> ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05] ←

15:06:39 <Ralph> -- continues

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-- continues ←

15:06:57 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:07:29 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile ←

15:07:29 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←

15:07:31 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←

15:07:49 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:07:51 <Ralph> -- continues

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-- continues ←

15:07:59 <Ralph> zakim, mute steven

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zakim, mute steven ←

15:07:59 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven should now be muted ←

15:08:08 <Steven> voice mail?

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Unknown Steven: voice mail? ←

15:08:16 <Steven> ok, thanks

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Unknown Steven: ok, thanks ←

15:08:19 <Steven> zakim, code?

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Unknown Steven: zakim, code? ←

15:08:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven ←

15:08:25 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0084.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0084.html ←

15:08:30 <Ralph> Topic: Test Case Review

1. Test Case Review

15:09:01 <Ralph> -- test 4; xml:base

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-- test 4; xml:base ←

15:09:14 <Ralph> Manu: we don't process xml:base, so I suggest we reject test 4

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Unknown Manu: we don't process xml:base, so I suggest we reject test 4 ←

15:09:31 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

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Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/ ←

15:09:44 <Zakim> + +1.617.500.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.500.aaaa ←

15:09:53 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is me

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Unknown Steven: zakim, aaaa is me ←

15:09:53 <Zakim> +Steven; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven; got it ←

15:10:45 <Ralph> PROPOSE to reject test #4

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PROPOSE to reject test #4 ←

15:10:56 <ShaneM> +1

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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:10:59 <Ralph> RESOLVED to reject test #4 xml:base

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RESOLVED to reject test #4 xml:base ←

15:11:14 <Ralph> -- test 17; Related blanknodes

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-- test 17; Related blanknodes ←

15:11:38 <Ralph> Manu: I suggest we rewrite test 17 to cover explicit bnode relationships

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Unknown Manu: I suggest we rewrite test 17 to cover explicit bnode relationships ←

15:11:39 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:11:55 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html ←

15:11:57 <Steven> I'm here

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Unknown Steven: I'm here ←

15:11:59 <Steven> muted

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Unknown Steven: muted ←

15:13:11 <Ralph> Manu: note that the SPARQL intentionally uses different bnode names just to insure that the implementation didn't hardcode the names

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Unknown Manu: note that the SPARQL intentionally uses different bnode names just to insure that the implementation didn't hardcode the names ←

15:13:49 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html ←

15:14:22 <Ralph> PROPOSE to replace test 17 with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html

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PROPOSE to replace test 17 with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html ←

15:14:44 <Ralph> Shane: this is the case that Mark's action refers to

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Unknown Shane: this is the case that Mark's action refers to ←

15:15:16 <Ralph> ... to take some non-normative text about bnodes and CURIEs and make it normative

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... to take some non-normative text about bnodes and CURIEs and make it normative ←

15:15:36 <Ralph> ... I just talked with Mark and am preparing to fix the spec now

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... I just talked with Mark and am preparing to fix the spec now ←

15:16:12 <ShaneM> I think the new test case is fine.

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Unknown ShaneM: I think the new test case is fine. ←

15:16:57 <Ralph> +1 to proposal

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+1 to proposal ←

15:17:02 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:17:06 <Ralph> RESOLVED to replace test 17 with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html

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RESOLVED to replace test 17 with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html ←

15:17:46 <Ralph> RESOLVED test 17 approved per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html

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RESOLVED test 17 approved per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0096.html ←

15:18:00 <Ralph> -- test 28

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-- test 28 ←

15:18:31 <Ralph> PROPOSE to reject test 28 @xml:lang and @datatype

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PROPOSE to reject test 28 @xml:lang and @datatype ←

15:18:32 <ShaneM> +1

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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:18:50 <Ralph> RESOLVED to reject test 28 @xml:lang and @datatype

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RESOLVED to reject test 28 @xml:lang and @datatype ←

15:19:09 <Ralph> Manu: 107 and 108 replace 28

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Unknown Manu: 107 and 108 replace 28 ←

15:19:16 <Ralph> -- test 39

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-- test 39 ←

15:19:29 <Ralph> -- test 39 @rev - @src/@href test

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-- test 39 @rev - @src/@href test ←

15:19:46 <Ralph> Manu: this passes Ivan's parser and my parser

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Unknown Manu: this passes Ivan's parser and my parser ←

15:20:09 <Ralph> ... this test checks that implmentations don't use @href to override @src

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... this test checks that implmentations don't use @href to override @src ←

15:20:51 <ShaneM> looks good.

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Unknown ShaneM: looks good. ←

15:20:54 <Steven> is there a similar test for @resource?

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Unknown Steven: is there a similar test for @resource? ←

15:21:03 <ShaneM> yes its next

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Unknown ShaneM: yes its next ←

15:21:07 <Ralph> Ralph: looks good to me

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Unknown Ralph: looks good to me ←

15:21:11 <Steven> good

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Unknown Steven: good ←

15:21:12 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 39 approved

RESOLVED: test 39 approved ←

15:21:34 <Ralph> -- test 40; @rev - @src/@resource test

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-- test 40; @rev - @src/@resource test ←

15:21:37 <ShaneM> that one seems fine too.

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Unknown ShaneM: that one seems fine too. ←

15:21:51 <Ralph> Manu: 40 similar to 39, checking that @resource doesn't override @src

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Unknown Manu: 40 similar to 39, checking that @resource doesn't override @src ←

15:22:45 <Ralph> Manu: I'm not sure this one is correct

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Unknown Manu: I'm not sure this one is correct ←

15:22:59 <Ralph> ... if we're checking that @resource doesn't override @src then we shouldn't use @about

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... if we're checking that @resource doesn't override @src then we shouldn't use @about ←

15:23:15 <Ralph> ... if we remove @about then the SPARQL uses the @src value

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... if we remove @about then the SPARQL uses the @src value ←

15:23:55 <msporny> <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"

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Unknown msporny: <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg" ←

15:23:55 <msporny>      rev="foaf:depicts"

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Unknown msporny: rev="foaf:depicts" ←

15:23:55 <msporny>      resource="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg"

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Unknown msporny: resource="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg" ←

15:23:56 <msporny>      alt="A photo depicting Michael" />

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Unknown msporny: alt="A photo depicting Michael" /> ←

15:24:17 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

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Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:24:17 <msporny> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/depicts> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> .

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Unknown msporny: <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/depicts> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> . ←

15:24:51 <Ralph> Ralph: I believe this is a more useful test but the semantics are wrong (for foaf:depicts) now

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Unknown Ralph: I believe this is a more useful test but the semantics are wrong (for foaf:depicts) now ←

15:24:56 <Ralph> Manu: foaf:alternate?

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Unknown Manu: foaf:alternate? ←

15:25:11 <Steven> Can't you use depicts for a photo within a photo?

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Unknown Steven: Can't you use depicts for a photo within a photo? ←

15:25:44 <Ralph> ... ??:alternate ?

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... ??:alternate ? ←

15:25:57 <Steven> htmlk:alternate

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Unknown html: alternate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Steven ] ←

15:26:00 <Steven> s/k/
15:26:19 <Ralph> Shane: the definition of html:alternate isn't quite right for this

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Unknown Shane: the definition of html:alternate isn't quite right for this ←

15:26:31 <Ralph> Manu: html:next works

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Unknown Manu: html:next works ←

15:27:07 <msporny> }

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Unknown msporny: } ←

15:27:08 <msporny> <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"

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Unknown msporny: <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg" ←

15:27:08 <msporny>      rev="previous"

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Unknown msporny: rev="previous" ←

15:27:08 <msporny>      resource="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg"

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Unknown msporny: resource="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg" ←

15:27:08 <msporny>      alt="A photo depicting Michael" />

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Unknown msporny: alt="A photo depicting Michael" /> ←

15:27:08 <ShaneM> I think we should change the definition of "alternate" in our vocabulary for what its worth.  This is dumb - "alternate designates alternate versions for the document."

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Unknown ShaneM: I think we should change the definition of "alternate" in our vocabulary for what its worth. This is dumb - "alternate designates alternate versions for the document." ←

15:27:14 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

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Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:27:14 <msporny> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg> <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#previous> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> .

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Unknown msporny: <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg> <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#previous> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> . ←

15:27:16 <msporny> }

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Unknown msporny: } ←

15:27:38 <Steven> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/22341209_48084a909b.jpg?v=0

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Unknown Steven: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/22341209_48084a909b.jpg?v=0 ←

15:28:42 <Ralph> Ralph: foaf:thumbnail ?

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Unknown Ralph: foaf:thumbnail ? ←

15:29:01 <Ralph> Manu: these two particular images are different; one isn't a thumbnail of the other

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Unknown Manu: these two particular images are different; one isn't a thumbnail of the other ←

15:29:10 <Ralph> Shane: html:alternate is fine, as is html:next

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Unknown Shane: html:alternate is fine, as is html:next ←

15:29:10 <msporny> <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"

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Unknown msporny: <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg" ←

15:29:11 <msporny>      rev="alternate"

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Unknown msporny: rev="alternate" ←

15:29:11 <msporny>      resource="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg"

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Unknown msporny: resource="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg" ←

15:29:11 <msporny>      alt="A photo depicting Michael" />

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Unknown msporny: alt="A photo depicting Michael" /> ←

15:29:20 <msporny> ASK WHERE {

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Unknown msporny: ASK WHERE { ←

15:29:20 <msporny> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg> <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#alternate> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> .

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Unknown msporny: <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg> <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#alternate> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> . ←

15:29:20 <msporny> }

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Unknown msporny: } ←

15:29:31 <Ralph> +1 to html:alternate

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+1 to html:alternate ←

15:29:56 <Steven> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/22341209_48084a909b.jpg foaf:depicts http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/06-steven-goteborg/guido.jpg

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Unknown Steven: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/22341209_48084a909b.jpg foaf:depicts http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/06-steven-goteborg/guido.jpg ←

15:30:39 <Ralph> PROPOSE: change test 40 to drop @about and use html:alternate

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Unknown PROPOSE: change test 40 to drop @about and use html:alternate ←

15:30:42 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:30:57 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 40 approved after changes to drop @about and use html:alternate

RESOLVED: test 40 approved after changes to drop @about and use html:alternate ←

15:31:24 <Ralph> -- test 42; omitted @about

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-- test 42; omitted @about ←

15:31:45 <Ralph> Manu: the SPARQL in the test harness is still wrong

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Unknown Manu: the SPARQL in the test harness is still wrong ←

15:31:50 <Ralph> ... no triples should be generated

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... no triples should be generated ←

15:32:16 <Ralph> ... this should be turned into a negative test

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... this should be turned into a negative test ←

15:32:23 <Ralph> ... testing that @src is not a target

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... testing that @src is not a target ←

15:32:42 <Ralph> ... this was a change to our processing rules

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... this was a change to our processing rules ←

15:33:19 <Ralph> Ralph: I agree; no triples should be generated

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Unknown Ralph: I agree; no triples should be generated ←

15:34:05 <Ralph> PROPOSED: test 42 approved after changing to a negative test and removing triples from the SPARQL

PROPOSED: test 42 approved after changing to a negative test and removing triples from the SPARQL ←

15:34:18 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 42 approved after changing to a negative test and removing triples from the SPARQL

RESOLVED: test 42 approved after changing to a negative test and removing triples from the SPARQL ←

15:34:49 <Ralph> -- test 43; @src/@href test with omitted @about

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-- test 43; @src/@href test with omitted @about ←

15:35:27 <msporny> Test #43: REJECT    Duplicates TC#34, TC#35, and TC#90

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Unknown msporny: Test #43: REJECT Duplicates TC#34, TC#35, and TC#90 ←

15:35:32 <msporny> Test #44: REJECT    Duplicates TC#32, TC#37, and TC#40

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Unknown msporny: Test #44: REJECT Duplicates TC#32, TC#37, and TC#40 ←

15:35:37 <msporny> Test #45: REJECT    Duplicates TC#32, TC#36, TC#37

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Unknown msporny: Test #45: REJECT Duplicates TC#32, TC#36, TC#37 ←

15:35:42 <ShaneM> +1

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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:35:44 <Ralph> Manu: 43, 44, and 45 are obsoleted by 34, 35, 90; 32, 37, 40; 32, 36, 37

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Unknown Manu: 43, 44, and 45 are obsoleted by 34, 35, 90; 32, 37, 40; 32, 36, 37 ←

15:35:55 <Ralph> Ralph: I trust you

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Unknown Ralph: I trust you ←

15:36:34 <Steven> =1

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Unknown Steven: =1 ←

15:36:34 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:36:34 <Ralph> RESOLVED: tests 43, 44, and 45 dropped

RESOLVED: tests 43, 44, and 45 dropped ←

15:36:54 <ShaneM> updated vocab document is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-vocab-20080515.html - Ralph, can you please install it in /1999/xhtml/vocab as appropriate?

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Unknown ShaneM: updated vocab document is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-vocab-20080515.html - Ralph, can you please install it in /1999/xhtml/vocab as appropriate? ←

15:36:59 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

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Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/ ←

15:37:29 <Ralph> Topic: Unreviewed Tests

2. Unreviewed Tests

15:37:46 <Ralph> -- test 95; No triples with two nested @rel

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-- test 95; No triples with two nested @rel ←

15:37:58 <Ralph> Manu: I think tests 95, 96, and 97 should be rejected

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Unknown Manu: I think tests 95, 96, and 97 should be rejected ←

15:38:09 <Ralph> ... we changed the processing rules to retain "useless" triples

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... we changed the processing rules to retain "useless" triples ←

15:38:17 <Ralph> ... so these tests are obsolete

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... so these tests are obsolete ←

15:38:25 <Ralph> PROPOSE: reject tests 95, 96, 97

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Unknown PROPOSE: reject tests 95, 96, 97 ←

15:38:46 <ShaneM> +1

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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:38:47 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:38:50 <Ralph> RESOLVED: reject tests 95, 96, 97

RESOLVED: reject tests 95, 96, 97 ←

15:39:07 <Ralph> -- test 104; rdf:value

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-- test 104; rdf:value ←

15:39:29 <Ralph> Manu: the objective of 104 is to have an example of a value with a unit

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Unknown Manu: the objective of 104 is to have an example of a value with a unit ←

15:40:29 <Ralph> Ralph: this doesn't really test anything new about RDFa; it's more demonstrating a use case

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Unknown Ralph: this doesn't really test anything new about RDFa; it's more demonstrating a use case ←

15:40:46 <Ralph> Manu: whomever raised this was concerned specifically about rdf:value

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Unknown Manu: whomever raised this was concerned specifically about rdf:value ←

15:40:52 <Ralph> Ralph: I don't mind duplicate tests

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Unknown Ralph: I don't mind duplicate tests ←

15:41:54 <Steven> where is 104?

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Unknown Steven: where is 104? ←

15:42:12 <Steven> Oh found it

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Unknown Steven: Oh found it ←

15:42:33 <Ralph> +1

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+1 ←

15:42:38 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:42:40 <ShaneM> Harmless - +1

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Unknown ShaneM: Harmless - +1 ←

15:42:50 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 104 approved

RESOLVED: test 104 approved ←

15:43:01 <Ralph> -- test 105; inner @rel neither CURIE nor LinkType

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-- test 105; inner @rel neither CURIE nor LinkType ←

15:43:59 <Ralph> Manu: the point in test 105 is that the inner @rel doesn't chain because "myfoobarrel" isn't a valid CURIE

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Unknown Manu: the point in test 105 is that the inner @rel doesn't chain because "myfoobarrel" isn't a valid CURIE ←

15:44:11 <Ralph> Shane: mmmmm

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Unknown Shane: mmmmm ←

15:44:36 <Ralph> ... there was a private discussion about issue 120 that resolved this

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... there was a private discussion about ISSUE-120 that resolved this ←

15:44:55 <Ralph> ... Mark has changed the editor's draft

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... Mark has changed the editor's draft ←

15:45:13 <Ralph> ... I'm not sure if the current interpretation matches 105

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... I'm not sure if the current interpretation matches 105 ←

15:45:35 <Ralph> Ralph: propose to passover 105

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Unknown Ralph: propose to passover 105 ←

15:45:39 <Ralph> Shane: passover 106 too

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Unknown Shane: passover 106 too ←

15:45:57 <Ralph> -- test 107; plain literal with datatype=""

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-- test 107; plain literal with datatype="" ←

15:46:12 <Ralph> Manu: 107 is to replace test a test we rejected

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Unknown Manu: 107 is to replace test a test we rejected ←

15:46:27 <Ralph> ... test 28 (rejected)

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... test 28 (rejected) ←

15:47:44 <Ralph> ... test 107 tests that whitespace is preserved

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... test 107 tests that whitespace is preserved ←

15:48:00 <Ralph> ... both Ivan's parser and mine pass 107

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... both Ivan's parser and mine pass 107 ←

15:48:36 <Ralph> Ralph: looks good to me

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Unknown Ralph: looks good to me ←

15:50:29 <Ralph> Ralph: do we believe all the N3 and RDF/XML variants of these tests?

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Unknown Ralph: do we believe all the N3 and RDF/XML variants of these tests? ←

15:50:49 <ShaneM> +1

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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

15:50:56 <Ralph> Manu: all the N3 comes from Ivan's parser, so if Ivan's parser passes the test then the N3 is OK.  But for now, continue to ignore the N3 and RDF/XML

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Unknown Manu: all the N3 comes from Ivan's parser, so if Ivan's parser passes the test then the N3 is OK. But for now, continue to ignore the N3 and RDF/XML ←

15:51:11 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

15:51:12 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 107 approved

RESOLVED: test 107 approved ←

15:51:25 <Ralph> -- test 108; plain literal with datatype="" and xml:lang preservation

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-- test 108; plain literal with datatype="" and xml:lang preservation ←

15:51:36 <Ralph> Manu: I believe there's an error in the SPARQL for test 108

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Unknown Manu: I believe there's an error in the SPARQL for test 108 ←

15:52:07 <Ralph> ... I believe @el is missing from the end of the SPARQL

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... I believe @el is missing from the end of the SPARQL ←

15:52:22 <Ralph> Ralph: yep, SPARQL should preserve the lang too

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Unknown Ralph: yep, SPARQL should preserve the lang too ←

15:52:43 <Zakim> -Steven.a

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven.a ←

15:53:30 <Ralph> PROPOSE: accept test 108 correcting the SPARQL to specify the language

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Unknown PROPOSE: accept test 108 correcting the SPARQL to specify the language ←

15:53:32 <ShaneM> +1 with changing sparql to include @el

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Unknown ShaneM: +1 with changing sparql to include @el ←

15:53:54 <Ralph> RESOLVED: accept test 108 correcting the SPARQL to specify the language

RESOLVED: accept test 108 correcting the SPARQL to specify the language ←

15:54:43 <Ralph> -- test 109; xml:base should be ignored

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-- test 109; xml:base should be ignored ←

15:54:58 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0112.html "Test Case #109: xml:base should be ignored in XHTML+RDFa 1.0" [Manu 2008-05-13]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0112.html "Test Case #109: xml:base should be ignored in XHTML+RDFa 1.0" [Manu 2008-05-13] ←

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15:55:15 <Ralph> Shane: Michael's question was "should invalid markup generate any triples?"

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Unknown Shane: Michael's question was "should invalid markup generate any triples?" ←

15:55:21 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0115.html

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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0115.html ←

15:55:21 <Ralph> ... the answer should be 'no'

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... the answer should be 'no' ←

15:55:31 <Ralph> Manu: we don't have a way to test invalid markup

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Unknown Manu: we don't have a way to test invalid markup ←

15:55:45 <Ralph> Shane: parsers are likely to generate triples when they don't validate the input

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Unknown Shane: parsers are likely to generate triples when they don't validate the input ←

15:55:46 <msporny> ?

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Unknown msporny: ? ←

15:55:51 <Ralph> ... I think it's fine to include the test

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... I think it's fine to include the test ←

15:56:26 <Ralph> Shane: looking at the specifics;

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Unknown Shane: looking at the specifics; ←

15:56:42 <Ralph> ... @xml:base on the root and on the div

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... @xml:base on the root and on the div ←

15:57:13 <Ralph> Manu: we're trying to test that @xml:base is ignored and the @about value is the subject

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Unknown Manu: we're trying to test that @xml:base is ignored and the @about value is the subject ←

15:57:36 <Ralph> Shane: we're insuring parsers ignore @xml:base

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Unknown Shane: we're insuring parsers ignore @xml:base ←

15:57:45 <Steven> sorry network break. Which test is this?

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Unknown Steven: sorry network break. Which test is this? ←

15:58:12 <Ralph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0112.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0112.html ←

15:58:19 <Ralph> proposed test 109

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proposed test 109 ←

15:58:40 <Ralph> Shane: we have another test for @base

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Unknown Shane: we have another test for @base ←

15:59:11 <msporny> [   TEST  ] Test #72 (approved): Relative URI in @about (with XHTML base in head)  [  show details  | hide details  ]

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Unknown msporny: [ TEST ] Test #72 (approved): Relative URI in @about (with XHTML base in head) [ show details | hide details ] ←

15:59:11 <msporny> [ TEST ] Test #73 (approved): Relative URI in @resource (with XHTML base in head) [ show details | hide details ]

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Unknown msporny: [ TEST ] Test #73 (approved): Relative URI in @resource (with XHTML base in head) [ show details | hide details ] ←

15:59:12 <msporny> [ TEST ] Test #74 (approved): Relative URI in @href (with XHTML base in head) [ show details | hide details ]

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Unknown msporny: [ TEST ] Test #74 (approved): Relative URI in @href (with XHTML base in head) [ show details | hide details ] ←

15:59:28 <Ralph> Ralph: I fall on the side of the concern that Michael is expressing

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Unknown Ralph: I fall on the side of the concern that Michael is expressing ←

15:59:38 <Ralph> ... we don't specify behavior for invalid input

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... we don't specify behavior for invalid input ←

15:59:41 <Steven> where do I find it?

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Unknown Steven: where do I find it? ←

15:59:53 <Ralph> Steven, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0112.html

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Steven, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0112.html ←

16:00:05 <Steven> thanks

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Unknown Steven: thanks ←

16:00:21 <Ralph> Manu: this question has been raised on the list several times

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Unknown Manu: this question about @xml:base has been raised on the list several times ←

16:00:31 <Ralph> s/has/about @xml:base has/
16:00:43 <Ralph> ... realistically, a lot of parsers will deal with invalid XHTML

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... realistically, a lot of parsers will deal with invalid XHTML ←

16:01:24 <Ralph> Ralph: how about we add a big XML comment saying this isn't valid XHTML

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Unknown Ralph: how about we add a big XML comment saying this isn't valid XHTML ←

16:01:45 <Ralph> Shane: I'm not offended by the current form, a comment is fine

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Unknown Shane: I'm not offended by the current form, a comment is fine ←

16:03:13 <Ralph> PROPOSE: to accept test 109 with an added XML comment noting this is not valid XHTML

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Unknown PROPOSE: to accept test 109 with an added XML comment noting this is not valid XHTML ←

16:03:28 <Ralph> Ralph: +1

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Unknown Ralph: +1 ←

16:03:38 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

16:03:41 <ShaneM> +1

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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←

16:03:47 <Ralph> RESOLVED: to accept test 109 with an added XML comment noting this is not valid XHTML

RESOLVED: to accept test 109 with an added XML comment noting this is not valid XHTML ←

16:03:52 <ShaneM> PROPOSE: Add a comment to rdfa-syntax that conforming parsers are NOT required to generate triples from invalid input.

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Unknown PROPOSE: Add a comment to rdfa-syntax that conforming parsers are NOT required to generate triples from invalid input. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown ShaneM ] ←

16:04:10 <Ralph> Ralph: absolutely +1

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Unknown Ralph: absolutely +1 ←

16:04:18 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1 ←

16:05:15 <msporny> +1

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Unknown msporny: +1 ←

16:05:25 <Ralph> Shane: this tacitly encourages document authors to make valid documents

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Unknown Shane: this tacitly encourages document authors to make valid documents ←

16:05:37 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Add a comment to rdfa-syntax that conforming parsers are NOT required to generate triples from invalid input.

RESOLVED: Add a comment to rdfa-syntax that conforming parsers are NOT required to generate triples from invalid input. ←

16:06:05 <Ralph> Shane: I'm about to make an updated editor's draft

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Unknown Shane: I'm about to make an updated editor's draft ←

16:06:07 <Steven> Regrets for next week

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Unknown Steven: Regrets for next week ←

16:06:08 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

16:06:09 <Ralph> [adjourned]

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[adjourned] ←

16:06:12 <Steven> I am chairing a conference

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Unknown Steven: I am chairing a conference ←

16:06:14 <Ralph> Ralph: regrets for next week too

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Unknown Ralph: regrets for next week too ←

16:06:18 <Zakim> - +003162467aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +003162467aabb ←

16:06:41 <Zakim> -Ralph

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:06:42 <Zakim> -msporny

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Zakim IRC Bot: -msporny ←

16:06:52 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:06:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, msporny, ShaneM, Steven, +1.617.500.aaaa, +003162467aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ralph, msporny, ShaneM, Steven, +1.617.500.aaaa, +003162467aabb ←

16:10:25 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab is now updated

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http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab is now updated ←

16:11:04 <Ralph> Shane, any objection to adding $id$ or $revision$ to the vocab namespace document?

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Shane, any objection to adding $id$ or $revision$ to the vocab namespace document? ←

16:11:23 <Ralph> (a visible version identifier)

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(a visible version identifier) ←

16:12:17 <Ralph> zakim, bye

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zakim, bye ←

16:12:25 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes

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rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

16:12:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←



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