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15:51:51 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
15:51:57 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please make record public ←
15:52:07 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0055.html
15:52:21 <Ralph> Chair: Manu
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15:52:40 <Ralph> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html
15:52:54 <Ralph> Regrets: Ben, Simone
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15:53:20 <Steven> (Steven also sent his regrets for last week)
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Unknown Steven: (Steven also sent his regrets for last week) ←
15:53:29 <Steven> (Not mentioned in minutes)
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Unknown Steven: (Not mentioned in minutes) ←
15:53:44 <Ralph> Regrets+ Michael
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Unknown Ralph: Regrets+ Michael ←
15:53:55 <Ralph> (I'll update last week's minutes, Steven)
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Unknown Ralph: (I'll update last week's minutes, Steven) ←
15:54:07 <Steven> ach, not a real prob
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Unknown Steven: ach, not a real prob ←
15:55:09 <Steven> :-)
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Unknown Steven: :-) ←
15:55:20 <Steven> Probable regrets for next week too: returning from a FtF
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Unknown Steven: Probable regrets for next week too: returning from a FtF ←
15:56:21 <Ralph> Scribe: Ralph
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15:56:24 <msporny> thanks Ralph :)
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Unknown msporny: thanks Ralph :) ←
15:57:20 <msporny> does that mean you dreamed about it?
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Unknown msporny: does that mean you dreamed about it? ←
15:57:32 <Ralph> nightmare
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nightmare ←
15:57:35 <msporny> haha :)
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Unknown msporny: haha :) ←
15:58:05 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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15:58:08 <Zakim> +Ralph
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15:58:20 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P3
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15:58:20 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
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15:58:20 <Ralph> zakim, ??p3 is Manu
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zakim, ??p3 is Manu ←
15:58:21 <Zakim> I already had ??P3 as msporny, Ralph
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16:00:37 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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16:00:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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16:00:38 <Zakim> +Steven
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16:02:50 <Ralph> Steven: coordination with Hypertext CG?
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Unknown Steven: coordination with Hypertext CG? ←
16:03:24 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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16:03:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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16:03:43 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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16:04:10 <Zakim> + +0208761aaaa
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16:04:17 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa
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16:04:17 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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16:04:54 <Ralph> Topic: Action Review
16:05:03 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←
16:05:05 <Ralph> -- continues
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16:05:11 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
16:05:13 <Ralph> -- continues
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16:05:18 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←
16:05:20 <Ralph> -- continues
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16:05:27 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←
16:05:28 <Ralph> -- continues
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16:05:34 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←
16:05:35 <Ralph> -- continues
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16:05:52 <Ralph> Topic: Getting Syntax Document to Last Call
16:06:06 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0054.html
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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0054.html ←
16:06:10 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0054.html Manu's status
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0054.html Manu's checklist ←
16:06:26 <Ralph> s/status/checklist/
16:06:57 <Ralph> Mark: my changes to the Syntax document are still in progress
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Unknown Mark: my changes to the Syntax document are still in progress ←
16:07:15 <Ralph> ... Shane has made the changes he is confident of
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... Shane has made the changes he is confident of ←
16:07:35 <Ralph> ... my plan is to insure completion tomorrow
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... my plan is to insure completion tomorrow ←
16:08:14 <Ralph> Shane: there's a diff-marked version, so change review should be quick
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Unknown Shane: there's a diff-marked version, so change review should be quick ←
16:09:16 <Ralph> Ralph: responding to the comments with pointers to sections in the diff-marked version should suffice
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Unknown Ralph: responding to the comments with pointers to sections in the diff-marked version should suffice ←
16:09:33 <Ralph> Shane: I'll publish the new editors' draft when ready
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Unknown Shane: I'll publish the new editors' draft when ready ←
16:10:58 <Ralph> ... and will send the response to Diego and Ed based on Manu's draft when the new draft is up
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... and will send the response to Diego and Ed based on Manu's draft when the new draft is up ←
16:11:49 <Ralph> ACTION: Shane send response to Diego and Ed review comments when new editors' draft is up
ACTION: Shane send response to Diego and Ed review comments when new editors' draft is up ←
16:20:52 <Ralph> Mark: I've skimmed Manu's draft response to the comments and don't see problems but until I finish the edits I won't know for sure
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Unknown Mark: I've skimmed Manu's draft response to the comments and don't see problems but until I finish the edits I won't know for sure ←
16:21:06 <Ralph> Manu: what about Ed's comment about reference implementation?
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Unknown Manu: what about Ed's comment about reference implementation? ←
16:21:13 <Ralph> ... I proposed to cite the test suite
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... I proposed to cite the test suite ←
16:21:28 <Ralph> Ralph: at most the reference would be an informative one
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Unknown Ralph: at most the reference would be an informative one ←
16:21:43 <Ralph> Steven: citing the test suite in the Status section would suffice
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Unknown Steven: citing the test suite in the Status section would suffice ←
16:22:01 <Ralph> ... also, there's no such thing in W3C as a "reference implementation"
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... also, there's no such thing in W3C as a "reference implementation" ←
16:22:15 <Ralph> ... our test suite is not a conformance test
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... our test suite is not a conformance test ←
16:24:22 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
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Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/ ←
16:26:57 <Ralph> RESOLVED: link to test harness will appear in Status section
RESOLVED: link to test harness will appear in Status section ←
16:27:41 <Ralph> Shane: there are 3 open issues in the Syntax document
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Unknown Shane: there are 3 open issues in the Syntax document ←
16:28:17 <Ralph> Manu: Ivan's issue about "useless" bnodes being generated
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Unknown Manu: Ivan's issue about "useless" bnodes being generated ←
16:28:27 <Ralph> Mark: I plan to remove that
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Unknown Mark: I plan to remove that ←
16:28:40 <Ralph> ... I don't think we should generate useless statements
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... I don't think we should generate useless statements ←
16:28:58 <Ralph> ... the situation is when the object is a bnode and there are no further references
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... the situation is when the object is a bnode and there are no further references ←
16:29:05 <Ralph> Manu: this implies a change to the processing rules
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Unknown Manu: this implies a change to the processing rules ←
16:29:10 <Ralph> Mark: yes, but in a minor way
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Unknown Mark: yes, but in a minor way ←
16:29:23 <Ralph> Manu: not so minor for stream-based processors; requires look-ahead
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Unknown Manu: not so minor for stream-based processors; requires look-ahead ←
16:29:50 <Ralph> Mark: use recursion instead; keep some state that says whether to use the value you already have
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Unknown Mark: use recursion instead; keep some state that says whether to use the value you already have ←
16:30:07 <Ralph> ... I will look at adding this and mail a proposal
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... I will look at adding this and mail a proposal ←
16:30:22 <Ralph> ... could leave the spec open-ended; leave it up to the implementation
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... could leave the spec open-ended; leave it up to the implementation ←
16:30:42 <Ralph> ... the extra triples serve no purpose but it's easier to leave them in the algorithm
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... the extra triples serve no purpose but it's easier to leave them in the algorithm ←
16:30:53 <Ralph> ... implementations should not be penalized for dropping them
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... implementations should not be penalized for dropping them ←
16:31:00 <Ralph> Shane: another issue about whitespace normalization
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Unknown Shane: another issue about whitespace normalization ←
16:31:09 <Ralph> ... we currently refer to CSS2 for the algorithm
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... we currently refer to CSS2 for the algorithm ←
16:31:21 <Ralph> ... I don't remember where the current text came from
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... I don't remember where the current text came from ←
16:31:29 <Ralph> Steven: I don't think we should collapse whitespace at all
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Unknown Steven: I don't think we should collapse whitespace at all ←
16:31:34 <Ralph> ... the CSS rules are about presentation
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... the CSS rules are about presentation ←
16:31:51 <Ralph> ... I think we should preserve whitespace in the triples because we don't know what it is intended to represent
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... I think we should preserve whitespace in the triples because we don't know what it is intended to represent ←
16:32:03 <Ralph> Manu: there are quite a few tests that exercise this
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Unknown Manu: there are quite a few tests that exercise this ←
16:32:31 <Ralph> ... some of the tests do require that whitespace be normalized
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... some of the tests do require that whitespace be normalized ←
16:33:31 <Ralph> Ralph: Ben has had some strong input on the whitespace issue
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Unknown Ralph: Ben has had some strong input on the whitespace issue ←
16:33:56 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
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Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/ ←
16:34:11 <Ralph> ... and in RDF/XML people have adopted usage styles that assume leading and trailing whitespace will be elided
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... and in RDF/XML people have adopted usage styles that assume leading and trailing whitespace will be elided ←
16:34:33 <Ralph> Steven: that's fine -- that's what I call XML normalization
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Unknown Steven: that's fine -- that's what I call XML normalization ←
16:34:42 <Ralph> ... but the CSS rules have to do with presentation
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... but the CSS rules have to do with presentation ←
16:35:00 <Ralph> Shane: Ben had done some experiments on deployed browsers
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Unknown Shane: Ben had done some experiments on deployed browsers ←
16:35:15 <Ralph> Manu: there's no such thing as preserving whitespace in MSIE's DOM
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Unknown Manu: there's no such thing as preserving whitespace in MSIE's DOM ←
16:35:23 <Ralph> ... MSIE always returns normalized whitespace
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... MSIE always returns normalized whitespace ←
16:35:34 <Ralph> ... and I thought we'd resolved to leave it to the parser
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... and I thought we'd resolved to leave it to the parser ←
16:35:40 <Ralph> Mark: how can we ensure consistency?
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Unknown Mark: how can we ensure consistency? ←
16:36:02 <Ralph> Shane: we'll end up with random triples
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Unknown Shane: we'll end up with random triples ←
16:36:10 <Ralph> Mark: the test suite won't be able to determine
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Unknown Mark: the test suite won't be able to determine ←
16:36:21 <Ralph> ... does SPARQL have a trim() function?
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... does SPARQL have a trim() function? ←
16:37:12 <Ralph> Manu: do the whitespace rules apply only to plain literals?
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Unknown Manu: do the whitespace rules apply only to plain literals? ←
16:37:20 <Ralph> Mark: they'll need to apply to XMLliterals as well
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Unknown Mark: they'll need to apply to XMLliterals as well ←
16:37:42 <Ralph> Manu: my implementation leaves XMLliterals as-is, only does whitespace normalization on plain literals
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Unknown Manu: my implementation leaves XMLliterals as-is, only does whitespace normalization on plain literals ←
16:37:58 <Ralph> ... and we've written the tests so there is no whitespace
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... and we've written the tests so there is no whitespace ←
16:38:18 <Ralph> ... leading or trailing
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... leading or trailing ←
16:38:28 <Ralph> ... and embedded whitespace is just a single space char
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... and embedded whitespace is just a single space char ←
16:38:46 <Steven> q+
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Unknown Steven: q+ ←
16:39:30 <Ralph> Mark: if you have 10 lines of text you'd often write <span>...</span> with newlines and lots of spaces
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Unknown Mark: if you have 10 lines of text you'd often write <span>...</span> with newlines and lots of spaces ←
16:39:36 <Ralph> Steven: see test 29
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Unknown Steven: see test 29 ←
16:40:24 <Steven> q-
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Unknown Steven: q- ←
16:41:12 <Ralph> Mark: I thought we'd decided to write the test as if the XPath normalization would be done
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Unknown Mark: I thought we'd decided to write the test as if the XPath normalization would be done ←
16:41:48 <Steven> What about <pre property="my:poem">
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Unknown Steven: What about <pre property="my:poem"> ←
16:41:55 <Ralph> ... the definition says something like "trim all leading and trailing whitespace and compress internal whitespace to a single space"
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... the definition says something like "trim all leading and trailing whitespace and compress internal whitespace to a single space" ←
16:42:02 <Ralph> Steven: do newlines count?
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Unknown Steven: do newlines count? ←
16:42:07 <Ralph> Mark: I don't recall
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Unknown Mark: I don't recall ←
16:42:21 <Ralph> ... but I'm proposing to do whatever that function does
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... but I'm proposing to do whatever that function does ←
16:42:29 <Ralph> Shane: normalize-space(), I believe
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Unknown Shane: normalize-space(), I believe ←
16:43:30 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath#function-normalize-space
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Unknown ShaneM: http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath#function-normalize-space ←
16:43:43 <Ralph> Steven: I'm a little dubious about removing internal whitespace
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Unknown Steven: I'm a little dubious about removing internal whitespace ←
16:43:54 <Ralph> Mark: but we have MSIE that does normalize whitespace
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Unknown Mark: but we have MSIE that does normalize whitespace ←
16:43:58 <Ralph> ... this forces our hand
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... this forces our hand ←
16:44:21 <Ralph> ... so the only way we could deal with MSIE is to put normalization into our spec
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... so the only way we could deal with MSIE is to put normalization into our spec ←
16:44:24 <Ralph> Shane: agree
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Unknown Shane: agree ←
16:44:32 <Ralph> Steven: that could be a bug in MSIE
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Unknown Steven: that could be a bug in MSIE ←
16:44:58 <Ralph> Mark: the alternative is to leave it undefined and draw attention to implementors to trim space in the SPARQL query
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Unknown Mark: the alternative is to leave it undefined and draw attention to implementors to trim space in the SPARQL query ←
16:46:27 <Ralph> Ralph: I really expect that the majority of RDF use cases will be happy with whitespace normalization
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Unknown Ralph: I really expect that the majority of RDF use cases will be happy with whitespace normalization ←
16:46:39 <Ralph> Steven: what if the internal whitespace is meaningful?
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Unknown Steven: what if the internal whitespace is meaningful? ←
16:46:51 <Ralph> Shane: there's an XML Schema datatype that says 'preserve my whitespace'
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Unknown Shane: there's an XML Schema datatype that says 'preserve my whitespace' ←
16:46:58 <Ralph> Steven: will RDFa acknowledge this datatype?
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Unknown Steven: will RDFa acknowledge this datatype? ←
16:47:09 <Ralph> Mark: XML rules itself does whitespace processing
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Unknown Mark: XML rules itself does whitespace processing ←
16:47:37 <Ralph> Steven: root XML element can state 'preserve'
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Unknown Steven: root XML element can state 'preserve' ←
16:47:59 <Ralph> ... I do acknowledge that there are few places where multiple embedded whitespace is meaningful
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... I do acknowledge that there are few places where multiple embedded whitespace is meaningful ←
16:48:48 <Ralph> ... but I'd consider it a serious problem if there is no way to deliberately include multiple spaces
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... but I'd consider it a serious problem if there is no way to deliberately include multiple spaces ←
16:49:20 <Ralph> Manu: we could add a datatype that says to preserve whitespace
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Unknown Manu: we could add a datatype that says to preserve whitespace ←
16:49:44 <Ralph> Mark: that won't help; we have to either force normalization into the language, which gets us to the lowest common denominator
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Unknown Mark: that won't help; we have to either force normalization into the language, which gets us to the lowest common denominator ←
16:50:21 <Ralph> ... or we leave it undefined and therefore users must be careful in their SPARQL queries
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... or we leave it undefined and therefore users must be careful in their SPARQL queries ←
16:51:05 <Ralph> Manu: we have to resolve this or we don't have a Last Call document
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Unknown Manu: we have to resolve this or we don't have a Last Call document ←
16:53:13 <Ralph> Ralph: I'd propose that we resolve to include normalization and explicitly note the resulting restriction in the Last Call document, asking for objectors to cite specific use cases
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Unknown Ralph: I'd propose that we resolve to include normalization and explicitly note the resulting restriction in the Last Call document, asking for objectors to cite specific use cases ←
16:53:25 <Ralph> Mark: attribute values are not normalized
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Unknown Mark: attribute values are not normalized ←
16:53:38 <Ralph> ... and attribute values can contain newlines
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... and attribute values can contain newlines ←
16:54:23 <Ralph> Shane: the value of @content is a plain literal, which we're normalizing
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Unknown Shane: the value of @content is a plain literal, which we're normalizing ←
16:55:09 <Ralph> Mark: MSIE with element content is the only situation where we have a problem
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Unknown Mark: MSIE with element content is the only situation where we have a problem ←
16:55:28 <Ralph> ... it's feeling more like a hack to me to specify normalization everywhere
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... it's feeling more like a hack to me to specify normalization everywhere ←
16:55:46 <Ralph> ... but I also don't like a solution that treats attribute values differently from element content
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... but I also don't like a solution that treats attribute values differently from element content ←
16:56:27 <Ralph> Manu: if people format their XML so that the markup is readable, will they be upset if the resulting value is not normalized?
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Unknown Manu: if people format their XML so that the markup is readable, will they be upset if the resulting value is not normalized? ←
16:56:29 <Steven> <pre about "#me" property="my:address>21 Sandridge Road
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Unknown Steven: <pre about "#me" property="my:address>21 Sandridge Road ←
16:56:38 <Steven> St. Albans, Herts
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Unknown Steven: St. Albans, Herts ←
16:56:40 <Ralph> Mark: shouldn't this be up to the implmeentation to decide how the value is to be used?
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Unknown Mark: shouldn't this be up to the implmeentation to decide how the value is to be used? ←
16:56:43 <Steven> UK</pre>
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Unknown Steven: UK</pre> ←
16:57:03 <Ralph> ... we're building on top of XML and XHTML
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... we're building on top of XML and XHTML ←
16:57:14 <Ralph> ... the XML DOM does not do your normalization for you
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... the XML DOM does not do your normalization for you ←
16:57:31 <Ralph> ... an implementor using this data has to normalize explicitly
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... an implementor using this data has to normalize explicitly ←
17:01:16 <Ralph> Ralph: we could remove normalization from our spec and say it's the application's responsibility to normalize
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Unknown Ralph: we could remove normalization from our spec and say it's the application's responsibility to normalize ←
17:02:59 <Ralph> Manu: then we'd have to change all the test cases to be sure not to have multiple whitespace
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Unknown Manu: then we'd have to change all the test cases to be sure not to have multiple whitespace ←
17:03:04 <Ralph> Shane: we could say nothing
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Unknown Shane: we could say nothing ←
17:03:21 <Ralph> Mark: we're building on XML, which uses preserve
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Unknown Mark: we're building on XML, which uses preserve ←
17:03:39 <Ralph> ... so point out that not all implementations preserve whitespace
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... so point out that not all implementations preserve whitespace ←
17:04:20 <Ralph> Steven: I can support this
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Unknown Steven: I support this ←
17:04:51 <Steven> s/can//
17:05:04 <Ralph> RESOLVED: RDFa will state that whitespace is preserved and note that some implementations might not behave this way
RESOLVED: RDFa will state that whitespace is preserved and note that some implementations might not behave this way ←
17:05:24 <Ralph> Shane: next issue is difference between vocab URI and profile URI
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Unknown Shane: next issue is difference between vocab URI and profile URI ←
17:05:34 <Ralph> Manu: any harm in making them identical?
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Unknown Manu: any harm in making them identical? ←
17:06:12 <Ralph> Mark: conceptually there is no profile
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Unknown Mark: conceptually there is no profile ←
17:06:21 <msporny> thanks for all the input Steven :)
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Unknown msporny: thanks for all the input Steven :) ←
17:06:27 <Steven> :-)
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Unknown Steven: :-) ←
17:06:27 <Ralph> ... @profile is supposed to indicate how to interpret @name and @rel in meta and link
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... @profile is supposed to indicate how to interpret @name and @rel in meta and link ←
17:06:35 <Zakim> -Steven
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
17:06:42 <Ralph> ... we're creating a brand new language which is internally consistent
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... we're creating a brand new language which is internally consistent ←
17:06:52 <Ralph> ... the @profile is used as a flag to indicate the presence of RDFa
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... the @profile is used as a flag to indicate the presence of RDFa ←
17:07:08 <Ralph> ... could just as easily add an attribute to the root element
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... could just as easily add an attribute to the root element ←
17:07:43 <Ralph> Ralph: so do you object to the way GRDDL uses @profile?
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Unknown Ralph: so do you object to the way GRDDL uses @profile? ←
17:07:57 <Ralph> Mark: no, GRDDL wires itself into someone else's use of @profile
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Unknown Mark: no, GRDDL wires itself into someone else's use of @profile ←
17:08:21 <Ralph> ... GRDDL hooks itself in behind the scenes
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... GRDDL hooks itself in behind the scenes ←
17:09:34 <Ralph> ... it's _only_ legitimate to use @profile to declare new @name and @rel values
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... it's _only_ legitimate to use @profile to declare new @name and @rel values ←
17:10:06 <Ralph> ... so we come at it from another direction
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... so we come at it from another direction ←
17:10:19 <Ralph> ... provide a URI for extensions to the HTML vocabulary
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... provide a URI for extensions to the HTML vocabulary ←
17:10:26 <Ralph> ... use our vocab URI for that
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... use our vocab URI for that ←
17:10:40 <Ralph> ... this is a legitmate @rel extension, so anyone could use this
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... this is a legitmate @rel extension, so anyone could use this ←
17:10:53 <Ralph> ... so @profile='vocab URI' is legitmate
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... so @profile='vocab URI' is legitmate ←
17:11:45 <Ralph> Shane: indpendently, having 2 reserved URIs that mean "RDFa [here]" is silly
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Unknown Shane: indpendently, having 2 reserved URIs that mean "RDFa [here]" is silly ←
17:11:56 <Ralph> ... I think there should only be one and it should be the vocab
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... I think there should only be one and it should be the vocab ←
17:12:11 <Ralph> Ralph: I'm ok with that
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Unknown Ralph: I'm ok with that ←
17:12:24 <Ralph> ... and it means that all the existing documents out there are not claiming to have RDFa in them
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... and it means that all the existing documents out there are not claiming to have RDFa in them ←
17:14:03 <Ralph> Mark: using the vocab URI doesn't harm GRDDL usage
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Unknown Mark: using the vocab URI doesn't harm GRDDL usage ←
17:14:14 <Ralph> Ralph: [looks at Ben's home page]
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Unknown Ralph: [looks at Ben's home page] ←
17:14:28 <Ralph> ... Ben uses the xhtml+rdfa DTD
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... Ben uses the xhtml+rdfa DTD ←
17:14:49 <Ralph> Shane: also, please remove from the document the green box that says "Ivan raised this"
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Unknown Shane: also, please remove from the document the green box that says "Ivan raised this" ←
17:15:29 <Ralph> ... about unnecessary triples
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... about unnecessary triples ←
17:17:09 <Ralph> Ralph: what about Last Call duration?
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Unknown Ralph: what about Last Call duration? ←
17:17:16 <Ralph> Shane: 6 weeks seems a long time
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Unknown Shane: 6 weeks seems a long time ←
17:19:51 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2008Feb/0048.html "RDFa Last Call period; consider TAG review?" [Ralph 2008-02-14]
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2008Feb/0048.html "RDFa Last Call period; consider TAG review?" [Ralph 2008-02-14] ←
17:20:21 <Ralph> Mark: the fact of existing implementations should help people be confortable
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Unknown Mark: the fact of existing implementations should help people be confortable ←
17:30:22 <Ralph> Manu: I'm fine with either 4 weeks or 6 weeks
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Unknown Manu: I'm fine with either 4 weeks or 6 weeks ←
17:32:13 <Ralph> Mark: I'd prefer a shorter period
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Unknown Mark: I'd prefer a shorter period ←
17:32:25 <Ralph> Shane: 6 weeks seems long to me
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Unknown Shane: 6 weeks seems long to me ←
17:32:52 <msporny> nice... very tasteful, Shane :)
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Unknown msporny: nice... very tasteful, Shane :) ←
17:35:08 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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17:35:54 <Ralph> RESOLVED: the Task Force sees no need to have longer than 4 weeks Last Call period
RESOLVED: the Task Force sees no need to have longer than 4 weeks Last Call period ←
17:36:59 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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17:39:32 <Zakim> -Ralph
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17:39:34 <Zakim> -msporny
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17:39:35 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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17:39:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Steven, ShaneM, +0208761aaaa, markbirbeck
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17:39:38 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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zakim, bye ←
17:39:42 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
17:39:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←
17:40:25 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
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rrsagent, bye ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [1]
ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] [1] ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-03
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-03 ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [2]
ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [2] ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-11
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-11 ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [3]
ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [3] ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-18
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17:40:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [4]
ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] [4] ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-27
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17:40:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [5]
ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [5] ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-34
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-05-34 ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane send response to Diego and Ed review comments when new editors' draft is up [6]
ACTION: Shane send response to Diego and Ed review comments when new editors' draft is up [6] ←
17:40:25 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-rdfa-irc#T16-11-49
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