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14:28:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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14:28:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 32 minutes
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14:28:27 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:28:27 <trackbot> Date: 02 October 2013
14:28:32 <ivan> Chair: Ivan
14:53:40 <AndyS> I can scribe if someone will produce the minutes afterwards
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Andy Seaborne: I can scribe if someone will produce the minutes afterwards ←
14:54:50 <AndyS> AndyS has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.10.02
Andy Seaborne: AndyS has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.10.02 ←
14:55:41 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
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14:55:42 <Zakim> +GavinC
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14:55:52 <ivan> scribenick: AndyS
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
14:55:59 <ivan> scribe: Andy
14:56:14 <ivan> Regrets: Guus Schreiber
14:58:08 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:08 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
14:58:08 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:59:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:59:15 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
zakim, IPCaller is me ←
14:59:15 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:59:51 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.992.aaaa ←
14:59:59 <pfps> zakim, aaaa is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
15:00:27 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, pfps ←
15:02:38 <Zakim> + +1.415.686.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.415.686.aabb ←
15:02:44 <gkellogg> zakim, I am aabb
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, I am aabb ←
15:02:44 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gkellogg; got it ←
15:04:24 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:05:08 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Sandro, ??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Sandro, ??P24 ←
15:05:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, davidwood, ivan, AndyS, gavinc, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, gkellogg, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, davidwood, ivan, AndyS, gavinc, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP ←
15:05:13 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P24 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:05:15 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
15:06:07 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:06:15 <ivan> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-25 minutes of last week
Ivan Herman: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-25 minutes of last week ←
15:06:22 <pfps> minutes are even more beautiful than usual
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are even more beautiful than usual ←
15:07:17 <AndyS> RESOLVED; Accept the minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-25
RESOLVED; Accept the minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-25 ←
15:07:21 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-25
RESOLVED: Accept the minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-25 ←
15:07:25 <AndyS> ACTION-299
15:07:25 <trackbot> ACTION-299 -- Gavin Carothers to Draft response to paul groth -- due 2013-10-02 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-299 -- Gavin Carothers to Draft response to paul groth -- due 2013-10-02 -- OPEN ←
15:07:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/299
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/299 ←
15:07:51 <AndyS> gavinc: pending
Gavin Carothers: pending ←
15:07:52 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)
15:08:16 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
15:08:40 <AndyS> ACTION-293?
15:08:40 <trackbot> ACTION-293 -- Gavin Carothers to Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-293 -- Gavin Carothers to Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN ←
15:08:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/293
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/293 ←
15:09:19 <AndyS> In progress -- ACTION-293
In progress -- ACTION-293 ←
15:09:25 <AndyS> ACTION-289?
15:09:25 <trackbot> ACTION-289 -- Sandro Hawke to Read http://www.w3.org/mid/20130703143355.ga25039@w3.org and respond to greg willians's comment http://www.w3.org/mid/4d9d27b0-2161-4805-ac3b-ddc9e03cc80e@evilfunhouse.com -- due 2013-09-04 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-289 -- Sandro Hawke to Read http://www.w3.org/mid/20130703143355.ga25039@w3.org and respond to greg willians's comment http://www.w3.org/mid/4d9d27b0-2161-4805-ac3b-ddc9e03cc80e@evilfunhouse.com -- due 2013-09-04 -- OPEN ←
15:09:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/289
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/289 ←
15:09:35 <AndyS> sandro: err ...
Sandro Hawke: err ... ←
15:09:43 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Apr/0062.html
Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Apr/0062.html ←
15:09:59 <AndyS> ... not yet done
... not yet done ←
15:10:16 <AndyS> action-281?
15:10:16 <trackbot> action-281 -- Gavin Carothers to Provide sandro text for http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ to NOT say it's the test suite -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-281 -- Gavin Carothers to Provide sandro text for http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ to NOT say it's the test suite -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN ←
15:10:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/281
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/281 ←
15:10:36 <AndyS> gavinc: pending
Gavin Carothers: pending ←
15:10:58 <gavinc> Figure out what to say since http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ should never have ended up in TR space :(
Gavin Carothers: Figure out what to say since http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ should never have ended up in TR space :( ←
15:11:20 <AndyS> action-270?
15:11:21 <trackbot> action-270 -- Gavin Carothers to Write resolution text for issue-23 -- due 2013-06-12 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-270 -- Gavin Carothers to Write resolution text for ISSUE-23 -- due 2013-06-12 -- OPEN ←
15:11:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/270
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/270 ←
15:11:34 <Zakim> + +1.619.663.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.619.663.aacc ←
15:11:38 <AndyS> gavinc: pending
Gavin Carothers: pending ←
15:11:50 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aacc is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aacc is me ←
15:11:50 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←
15:13:03 <ericP> oops
Eric Prud'hommeaux: oops ←
15:13:29 <AndyS> next meeting, next week
next meeting, next week ←
15:13:37 <AndyS> topic: test suite for semantics
15:13:54 <AndyS> pfps: Converted to new format in hg
Peter Patel-Schneider: Converted to new format in hg ←
15:14:04 <AndyS> ... and correct WRT new semantics
... and correct WRT new semantics ←
15:14:16 <AndyS> ... commented for significant changes
... commented for significant changes ←
15:14:19 <Zakim> + +081165aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +081165aadd ←
15:14:27 <PatH> can you post a link to the current state of this?
Patrick Hayes: can you post a link to the current state of this? ←
15:14:27 <AZ> Zakim, aadd is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aadd is me ←
15:14:27 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:14:37 <AndyS> ... not sure what next - something needs to refer to it
... not sure what next - something needs to refer to it ←
15:15:15 <Zakim> + +1.540.898.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.898.aaee ←
15:15:21 <davidwood> Zakim, aaee is me
David Wood: Zakim, aaee is me ←
15:15:21 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it ←
15:16:12 <AndyS> ivan: skolemization?
Ivan Herman: skolemization? ←
15:16:26 <AndyS> pfps: Optional extra, not needed for test coverage.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Optional extra, not needed for test coverage. ←
15:16:34 <AndyS> ... coverage is now better than RDF-2004.
... coverage is now better than RDF-2004. ←
15:17:03 <AndyS> ... no tests for new datatypes - consider to be outside semantics
... no tests for new datatypes - consider to be outside semantics ←
15:17:29 <AndyS> ivan: Open action on antoine - tests ?
Ivan Herman: Open action on antoine - tests ? ←
15:17:56 <AndyS> ACTION-297?
15:17:56 <trackbot> ACTION-297 -- Antoine Zimmermann to Write semantics tests with help of sandro -- due 2013-09-25 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-297 -- Antoine Zimmermann to Write semantics tests with help of sandro -- due 2013-09-25 -- OPEN ←
15:17:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/297
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/297 ←
15:17:58 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
15:18:39 <ivan> ack gkellogg
Ivan Herman: ack gkellogg ←
15:19:08 <AndyS> gregg: negative tests for datasets needed?
Gregg Kellogg: negative tests for datasets needed? ←
15:20:36 <AndyS> path: no entailment relationship in datasets across graphs
Patrick Hayes: no entailment relationship in datasets across graphs ←
15:20:40 <AZ> no we did not say what a dataset means
Antoine Zimmermann: no we did not say what a dataset means ←
15:20:47 <gavinc> "RDF datasets may be used to express RDF content. When used in this way, a dataset should be understood to have at least the same content as its default graph. Note however that replacing the default graph of a dataset by a logically equivalent graph will not in general produce a structurally similar dataset, since it may for example disrupt co-occurrences of blank nodes between the default graph and other graphs in the dataset, which may be important for
Gavin Carothers: "RDF datasets may be used to express RDF content. When used in this way, a dataset should be understood to have at least the same content as its default graph. Note however that replacing the default graph of a dataset by a logically equivalent graph will not in general produce a structurally similar dataset, since it may for example disrupt co-occurrences of blank nodes between the default graph and other graphs in the dataset, which may be important for ←
15:20:48 <gavinc> reasons other than the semantics of the graphs in the dataset."
Gavin Carothers: reasons other than the semantics of the graphs in the dataset." ←
15:21:31 <gavinc> SHOULD is testable.
Gavin Carothers: SHOULD is testable. ←
15:22:12 <sandro> 2013/06/12-rdf-wg RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-136 adopting Option 2; the formal interpretation (truth conditions) of a datasets is the formal interpretation (truth conditions) of its default graph
Sandro Hawke: 2013/06/12-rdf-wg RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-136 adopting Option 2; the formal interpretation (truth conditions) of a datasets is the formal interpretation (truth conditions) of its default graph ←
15:22:35 <Zakim> +??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←
15:22:39 <markus> zakim, ?P?P31 is me
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ?P?P31 is me ←
15:22:40 <Zakim> sorry, markus, I do not recognize a party named '?P?P31'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, markus, I do not recognize a party named '?P?P31' ←
15:22:46 <markus> zakim, ??P31 is me
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P31 is me ←
15:22:46 <Zakim> +markus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it ←
15:23:37 <AndyS> gregg: was thinking about entailment in one graph appearing in another in same dataset.
Gregg Kellogg: was thinking about entailment in one graph appearing in another in same dataset. ←
15:24:18 <gkellogg> <> {:a rdfs:subClassOf :b}
Gregg Kellogg: <> {:a rdfs:subClassOf :b} ←
15:24:28 <gkellogg> { :foo a :a}
Gregg Kellogg: { :foo a :a} ←
15:24:38 <gkellogg> {:foo a :a, :b}
Gregg Kellogg: {:foo a :a, :b} ←
15:25:02 <AndyS> gregg: that is not expected as an entailment
Gregg Kellogg: that is not expected as an entailment ←
15:27:40 <AndyS> gregg: will send email.
Gregg Kellogg: will send email. ←
15:28:15 <AndyS> ivan: status of test suite - is it finished? Looks like yes pending discussion above.
Ivan Herman: status of test suite - is it finished? Looks like yes pending discussion above. ←
15:28:30 <pfps> where is the wiki page?
Peter Patel-Schneider: where is the wiki page? ←
15:28:41 <AndyS> gregg: wiki page for how to run the tests is needed.
Gregg Kellogg: wiki page for how to run the tests is needed. ←
15:28:55 <AndyS> .. submit results to comment list
.. submit results to comment list ←
15:29:15 <AZ> q+ to say we need a place to describe the manifest vocabulary
Antoine Zimmermann: q+ to say we need a place to describe the manifest vocabulary ←
15:29:56 <AndyS> gregg: needs a semantics expert to manage the comments
Gregg Kellogg: needs a semantics expert to manage the comments ←
15:30:09 <ivan> ack az
Ivan Herman: ack az ←
15:30:09 <Zakim> AZ, you wanted to say we need a place to describe the manifest vocabulary
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, you wanted to say we need a place to describe the manifest vocabulary ←
15:30:13 <AndyS> Thanks to gregg for his work on tests
Thanks to gregg for his work on tests ←
15:30:39 <AndyS> AZ: need description of manifests - deref of URIs etc
Antoine Zimmermann: need description of manifests - deref of URIs etc ←
15:30:52 <pfps> we need someone to say what mechanical steps need to be taken - where does a page need to be created, what needs to link to it?
Peter Patel-Schneider: we need someone to say what mechanical steps need to be taken - where does a page need to be created, what needs to link to it? ←
15:31:35 <AndyS> ivan: need a owner to write the text
Ivan Herman: need a owner to write the text ←
15:32:06 <AndyS> path: can write about the semantics part
Patrick Hayes: can write about the semantics part ←
15:32:36 <AndyS> sandro: see other tests - wiki page and link from official location
Sandro Hawke: see other tests - wiki page and link from official location ←
15:32:45 <AndyS> s/snardo/sandro/
s/snardo/sandro/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:32:49 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
15:33:11 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:33:35 <AndyS> q-
q- ←
15:33:40 <pfps> http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/
Peter Patel-Schneider: http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/ ←
15:33:54 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2013/TrigTests/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2013/TrigTests/ ←
15:33:59 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2013/N-TriplesTests/
http://www.w3.org/2013/N-TriplesTests/ ←
15:34:55 <gavinc> Eh? http://json-ld.org/test-suite/
Gavin Carothers: Eh? http://json-ld.org/test-suite/ ←
15:35:38 <sandro> yes, Gavin?
Sandro Hawke: yes, Gavin? ←
15:35:46 <AndyS> ivan: process owner needed
Ivan Herman: process owner needed ←
15:36:10 <AndyS> sandro: will do the website stuff - need someone for the rest
Sandro Hawke: will do the website stuff - need someone for the rest ←
15:38:39 <pfps> action pfps: add readme and license to semantics tests
Peter Patel-Schneider: action pfps: add readme and license to semantics tests ←
15:38:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-300 - Add readme and license to semantics tests [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-300 - Add readme and license to semantics tests [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-10-09]. ←
15:38:54 <pfps> action sandro: create landing page for semantics tests
Peter Patel-Schneider: action sandro: create landing page for semantics tests ←
15:38:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-301 - Create landing page for semantics tests [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-301 - Create landing page for semantics tests [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-10-09]. ←
15:40:00 <AndyS> topic: LC Comments on Concepts, Semantics
15:40:15 <AndyS> ISSUE-146?
15:40:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- LC comment: procedural comment on LC of Concepts and Semantics -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-146 -- LC comment: procedural comment on LC of Concepts and Semantics -- open ←
15:40:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/146
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/146 ←
15:40:33 <AndyS> sandro: didn't do the full range of announcements
Sandro Hawke: didn't do the full range of announcements ←
15:41:28 <gavinc> "announcement begins a review period that should last at least three weeks but may last longer if the technical report is complex or has significant external dependencies"
Gavin Carothers: "announcement begins a review period that should last at least three weeks but may last longer if the technical report is complex or has significant external dependencies" ←
15:41:30 <gavinc> THREE WEEKS
Gavin Carothers: THREE WEEKS ←
15:41:32 <gavinc> not four
Gavin Carothers: not four ←
15:41:52 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#last-call
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#last-call ←
15:42:26 <AndyS> ivan: action on Guus or David to send msg to chairs list
Ivan Herman: action on Guus or David to send msg to chairs list ←
15:43:53 <sandro> action: guus to announce all our LC documents to chairs@w3.org and semantic-web@w3.org and other places
ACTION: guus to announce all our LC documents to chairs@w3.org and semantic-web@w3.org and other places ←
15:43:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - Announce all our lc documents to chairs@w3.org and semantic-web@w3.org and other places [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-302 - Announce all our lc documents to chairs@w3.org and semantic-web@w3.org and other places [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-10-09]. ←
15:44:04 <sandro> action: sandro to tell Jeremy we're doing this.
ACTION: sandro to tell Jeremy we're doing this. ←
15:44:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-303 - Tell jeremy we're doing this. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-303 - Tell jeremy we're doing this. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-10-09]. ←
15:44:09 <AndyS> ivan: sandro please contact JJC
Ivan Herman: sandro please contact JJC ←
15:44:19 <AndyS> close issue-146
15:44:19 <trackbot> Closed issue-146.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-146. ←
15:44:51 <AndyS> ivan: issue-142
15:44:57 <sandro> issue-142?
15:44:58 <trackbot> issue-142 -- LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-142 -- LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment -- open ←
15:44:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/142
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/142 ←
15:45:01 <AndyS> issue-142?
15:45:01 <trackbot> issue-142 -- LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-142 -- LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment -- open ←
15:45:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/142
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/142 ←
15:45:05 <AndyS> ... long thread
... long thread ←
15:45:10 <pfps> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Oct/0001.html
Peter Patel-Schneider: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Oct/0001.html ←
15:45:18 <AndyS> ivan: unclear as to current status
Ivan Herman: unclear as to current status ←
15:45:48 <AndyS> pfps: jeremy made a proposal
Peter Patel-Schneider: jeremy made a proposal ←
15:46:33 <AndyS> ivan: large change
Ivan Herman: large change ←
15:46:44 <AndyS> pfps: summary para is accurate
Peter Patel-Schneider: summary para is accurate ←
15:46:47 <pfps> the important part is the summary
Peter Patel-Schneider: the important part is the summary ←
15:47:03 <pfps> the important part is the "summary"
Peter Patel-Schneider: the important part is the "summary" ←
15:47:30 <pfps> the important part of that is "MAY"
Peter Patel-Schneider: the important part of that is "MAY" ←
15:49:53 <AndyS> ivan: large amount of editorial changes could mean new LC.
Ivan Herman: large amount of editorial changes could mean new LC. ←
15:50:19 <zwu2> :)
15:50:23 <gavinc> +q
Gavin Carothers: +q ←
15:50:23 <AndyS> path: peter+I disagree with the change suggestion on a technical level.
Patrick Hayes: peter+I disagree with the change suggestion on a technical level. ←
15:51:16 <pfps> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0007.html
Peter Patel-Schneider: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0007.html ←
15:51:41 <AndyS> pfps: my response to the RDF-WG list ^^^^^
Peter Patel-Schneider: my response to the RDF-WG list ^^^^^ ←
15:51:51 <ivan> ack gavinc
Ivan Herman: ack gavinc ←
15:52:16 <AndyS> path: I believe there are possible solutions acceptable to JJC (offlist discussion)
Patrick Hayes: I believe there are possible solutions acceptable to JJC (offlist discussion) ←
15:52:51 <sandro> q+ to respond to Gavin
Sandro Hawke: q+ to respond to Gavin ←
15:52:57 <PatH> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
15:53:00 <AndyS> gavinc: don't believe the change makes anything better or worse
Gavin Carothers: don't believe the change makes anything better or worse ←
15:53:08 <ivan> ack sandro
Ivan Herman: ack sandro ←
15:53:08 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to respond to Gavin
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to respond to Gavin ←
15:53:22 <AndyS> sandro: this issue-136
Sandro Hawke: this ISSUE-136 ←
15:53:26 <AndyS> issue-136?
15:53:26 <trackbot> issue-136 -- How can one indicate which semantics are intended for a Dataset? -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-136 -- How can one indicate which semantics are intended for a Dataset? -- closed ←
15:53:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/136
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/136 ←
15:53:45 <AndyS> sandro: which has been resolved - docs not caught up.
Sandro Hawke: which has been resolved - docs not caught up. ←
15:54:14 <AndyS> path: worry is that it seems to add something when it does not i.e. it is confusing
Patrick Hayes: worry is that it seems to add something when it does not i.e. it is confusing ←
15:54:32 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:54:35 <AndyS> ... it is already and intuitive reading
... it is already and intuitive reading ←
15:54:36 <ivan> ack PatH
Ivan Herman: ack PatH ←
15:54:40 <PatH> q-
Patrick Hayes: q- ←
15:55:38 <AZ> +1 ivan
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ivan ←
15:55:38 <AndyS> ivan: <chair off> we have this discussion for a long time - wary of changing anything at this stage
Ivan Herman: <chair off> we have this discussion for a long time - wary of changing anything at this stage ←
15:55:57 <AndyS> ... discussion is not best done on the current timescale of the WG.
... discussion is not best done on the current timescale of the WG. ←
15:55:58 <PatH> i also agree with Ivan.
Patrick Hayes: i also agree with Ivan. ←
15:56:11 <pfps> my message suggests that this issu could be handled by a note that defines an entailment regime, i.e., I agree with Ivan
Peter Patel-Schneider: my message suggests that this issu could be handled by a note that defines an entailment regime, i.e., I agree with Ivan ←
15:56:18 <AndyS> ... a later WG may do more but today we are where we are.
... a later WG may do more but today we are where we are. ←
15:56:30 <AndyS> ... <chair on>
... <chair on> ←
15:56:39 <AndyS> path: agree with ivan-no-hat
Patrick Hayes: agree with ivan-no-hat ←
15:56:51 <AndyS> +1 from me as well.
+1 from me as well. ←
15:57:48 <gkellogg> +0
Gregg Kellogg: +0 ←
15:57:52 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: This WG leaves open issues of semantics for datasets and naming graphs for later work by another WG
PROPOSED: This WG leaves open issues of semantics for datasets and naming graphs for later work by another WG ←
15:58:11 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
15:58:27 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:58:43 <yvesr> +0.5
Yves Raimond: +0.5 ←
15:58:50 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: This WG leaves semantics for datasets and naming graphs undefined and to be addressed by another WG in the future.
PROPOSED: This WG leaves semantics for datasets and naming graphs undefined and to be addressed by another WG in the future. ←
15:58:54 <sandro> +1 with much sadness
Sandro Hawke: +1 with much sadness ←
15:58:58 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:59:00 <zwu2> +1 we need a closure for this WG
Zhe Wu: +1 we need a closure for this WG ←
15:59:00 <sandro> +1 with much sadness
Sandro Hawke: +1 with much sadness ←
15:59:02 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:59:03 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:59:04 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:59:07 <markus> +0
Markus Lanthaler: +0 ←
15:59:14 <davidwood> +1 :/
David Wood: +1 :/ ←
15:59:19 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:59:20 <AndyS> +1
+1 ←
15:59:23 <pfps> +1 except that there could be a note about dataset semantics
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 except that there could be a note about dataset semantics ←
15:59:23 <Arnaud> +1, it's a very unfortunate state of affair though
Arnaud Le Hors: +1, it's a very unfortunate state of affair though ←
15:59:46 <sandro> ivan: Yes, this is about the Rec Track. We may still do Notes.
Ivan Herman: Yes, this is about the Rec Track. We may still do Notes. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:00:04 <AndyS> RESOLVED: This WG leaves semantics for datasets and naming graphs undefined and to be addressed by another WG in the future.
RESOLVED: This WG leaves semantics for datasets and naming graphs undefined and to be addressed by another WG in the future. ←
16:00:23 <pfps> I don't view this as an unfortunate state of affairs - Named graphs are trying to do much too much - A good solution would have multiple parts
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't view this as an unfortunate state of affairs - Named graphs are trying to do much too much - A good solution would have multiple parts ←
16:00:30 <gavinc> 0
Gavin Carothers: 0 ←
16:01:08 <pfps> action pfps: send a proposed response to Jeremy to the WG for comments
Peter Patel-Schneider: action pfps: send a proposed response to Jeremy to the WG for comments ←
16:01:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Send a proposed response to jeremy to the wg for comments [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-304 - Send a proposed response to jeremy to the wg for comments [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-10-09]. ←
16:01:23 <AndyS> ivan: on the hour
Ivan Herman: on the hour ←
16:01:31 <AndyS> ... d booth comments ....
... d booth comments .... ←
16:01:39 <sandro> issue-147?
16:01:39 <trackbot> issue-147 -- LC comment: Definition of "Generalized RDF" -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-147 -- LC comment: Definition of "Generalized RDF" -- open ←
16:01:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/147
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/147 ←
16:01:43 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:02:27 <AndyS> pfps: suggestion for issues-147 - I believe it is in the right place and ED is now done. Adds "except that" text
Peter Patel-Schneider: suggestion for issues-147 - I believe it is in the right place and ED is now done. Adds "except that" text ←
16:02:50 <AndyS> path: better wording in email (scribe AZ email?)
Patrick Hayes: better wording in email (scribe AZ email?) ←
16:03:18 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0024.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0024.html ←
16:03:50 <AZ> my email was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0011.html
Antoine Zimmermann: my email was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0011.html ←
16:04:02 <AndyS> pfps: suggest edit Concepts in hg and tell editors
Peter Patel-Schneider: suggest edit Concepts in hg and tell editors ←
16:04:42 <AndyS> ... other edits already done
... other edits already done ←
16:05:14 <AndyS> ivan: issue-147 is in progress and needs confirmation from David Booth.
Ivan Herman: ISSUE-147 is in progress and needs confirmation from David Booth. ←
16:05:29 <AndyS> issue-149?
16:05:29 <trackbot> issue-149 -- LC comment: Intuitive summary needs to be scoped to interpretations -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-149 -- LC comment: Intuitive summary needs to be scoped to interpretations -- open ←
16:05:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/149
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/149 ←
16:07:02 <AndyS> path: no proposal for changes - will draft a reply
Patrick Hayes: no proposal for changes - will draft a reply ←
16:07:16 <AndyS> action path: draft reply to issue-149 and send to WG list
action path: draft reply to ISSUE-149 and send to WG list ←
16:07:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-305 - Draft reply to issue-149 and send to wg list [on Patrick Hayes - due 2013-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-305 - Draft reply to ISSUE-149 and send to wg list [on Patrick Hayes - due 2013-10-09]. ←
16:07:21 <AndyS> action-144?
16:07:21 <trackbot> action-144 -- Ted Thibodeau to Investigate what the relationship is, and document it -- due 2012-02-15 -- CLOSED
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-144 -- Ted Thibodeau to Investigate what the relationship is, and document it -- due 2012-02-15 -- CLOSED ←
16:07:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/144
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/144 ←
16:07:32 <AndyS> issue-144?
16:07:32 <trackbot> issue-144 -- LC comment: Minor normative error in LC drafts -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-144 -- LC comment: Minor normative error in LC drafts -- open ←
16:07:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/144
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/144 ←
16:08:10 <AndyS> pfps: will deal with issue-144
Peter Patel-Schneider: will deal with ISSUE-144 ←
16:08:13 <AndyS> issue-145?
16:08:13 <trackbot> issue-145 -- LC comment: Identify vs. Denote distinction is not helpful -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-145 -- LC comment: Identify vs. Denote distinction is not helpful -- open ←
16:08:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/145
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/145 ←
16:08:16 <AndyS> issue-148?
16:08:16 <trackbot> issue-148 -- LC comment: IRIs do *not* always denote the same resource -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-148 -- LC comment: IRIs do *not* always denote the same resource -- open ←
16:08:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/148
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/148 ←
16:09:06 <AZ> I think 145 is not a major issue
Antoine Zimmermann: I think 145 is not a major issue ←
16:09:12 <AndyS> ivan: look at issue-145
Ivan Herman: look at ISSUE-145 ←
16:10:00 <AndyS> path: can handle as editorial if discussion suggests it is needed
Patrick Hayes: can handle as editorial if discussion suggests it is needed ←
16:10:58 <sandro> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
16:11:12 <sandro> pat: There's a need for something like "identify"
Patrick Hayes: There's a need for something like "identify" ←
16:11:22 <sandro> .. cf "Social Meaning" debate.
.. cf "Social Meaning" debate. ←
16:11:31 <sandro> .. THere's got to be some way to refer to that.
.. THere's got to be some way to refer to that. ←
16:11:42 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:11:42 <AndyS> path: this touches on social meaning
Patrick Hayes: this touches on social meaning [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
16:11:54 <sandro> .. David is very attached to the idea of meaning being formal. I think he takes that too far.
.. David is very attached to the idea of meaning being formal. I think he takes that too far. ←
16:11:59 <sandro> .. His view is not standard.
.. His view is not standard. ←
16:12:01 <AndyS> scribenick: sandro
16:12:03 <zwu2> have to go to another meeting. bye
Zhe Wu: have to go to another meeting. bye ←
16:12:13 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
16:12:15 <sandro> .. It's a philosophical disagreement, and I think I represent the mainstream.
.. It's a philosophical disagreement, and I think I represent the mainstream. ←
16:12:15 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
16:12:55 <sandro> sandro: Makes sense.
Sandro Hawke: Makes sense. ←
16:13:00 <sandro> issue-148
16:13:00 <trackbot> issue-148 -- LC comment: IRIs do *not* always denote the same resource -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-148 -- LC comment: IRIs do *not* always denote the same resource -- open ←
16:13:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/148
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/148 ←
16:13:26 <sandro> pat: On that one he's just wrong...
Patrick Hayes: On that one he's just wrong... ←
16:14:50 <pfps> intending to add "intending" sounds like a solution here
Peter Patel-Schneider: intending to add "intending" sounds like a solution here ←
16:14:56 <sandro> sandro: THere's a little point to david's proposed text change. Maybe we can include something in that direction
Sandro Hawke: THere's a little point to david's proposed text change. Maybe we can include something in that direction ←
16:14:58 <sandro> pat: I'll see if I can some up with some kind of wording here, yes.
Patrick Hayes: I'll see if I can some up with some kind of wording here, yes. ←
16:15:40 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/open
https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/open ←
16:17:00 <sandro> sandro: I beleive we're planning to close all of these and and request CR i fpossible next week
Sandro Hawke: I beleive we're planning to close all of these and and request CR i fpossible next week ←
16:17:31 <sandro> peter: yes, let's be ready next week if we can.
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, let's be ready next week if we can. ←
16:18:01 <sandro> peter: two weeks from now is ISWC
Peter Patel-Schneider: two weeks from now is ISWC ←
16:19:39 <sandro> peter: ISSUE-23 shouldn't be sitting there like that.
Peter Patel-Schneider: ISSUE-23 shouldn't be sitting there like that. ←
16:19:53 <sandro> 2013/01/16-rdf-wg RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-23; we are indeed defining new formats and new media types for multi-graph.
2013/01/16-rdf-wg RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-23; we are indeed defining new formats and new media types for multi-graph. ←
16:21:19 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
16:22:24 <gkellogg> issue-23?
16:22:24 <trackbot> issue-23 -- Does going from single-graph to multi-graph require new format and new media types? -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-23 -- Does going from single-graph to multi-graph require new format and new media types? -- closed ←
16:22:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/23
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/23 ←
16:23:31 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
16:23:42 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
16:23:43 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:23:44 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:23:45 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
16:23:49 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
16:23:54 <gavinc> trackbot, end meeting
Gavin Carothers: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:23:54 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:23:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, +1.408.992.aaaa, pfps, +1.415.686.aabb, gkellogg, Sandro, yvesr, PatH, zwu2, +081165aadd, AZ, +1.540.898.aaee,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, +1.408.992.aaaa, pfps, +1.415.686.aabb, gkellogg, Sandro, yvesr, PatH, zwu2, +081165aadd, AZ, +1.540.898.aaee, ←
16:23:57 <Zakim> ... davidwood, markus, Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: ... davidwood, markus, Arnaud ←
16:24:01 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
16:24:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:24:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:24:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to add readme and license to semantics tests [1]
ACTION: pfps to add readme and license to semantics tests [1] ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-39
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-39 ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro to create landing page for semantics tests [2]
ACTION: sandro to create landing page for semantics tests [2] ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-54
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-54 ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to announce all our LC documents to chairs@w3.org and semantic-web@w3.org and other places [3]
ACTION: guus to announce all our LC documents to chairs@w3.org and semantic-web@w3.org and other places [3] ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-43-53
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-43-53 ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro to tell Jeremy we're doing this. [4]
ACTION: sandro to tell Jeremy we're doing this. [4] ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-44-04
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-44-04 ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to send a proposed response to Jeremy to the WG for comments [5]
ACTION: pfps to send a proposed response to Jeremy to the WG for comments [5] ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T16-01-08
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T16-01-08 ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: path to draft reply to issue-149 and send to WG list [6]
ACTION: path to draft reply to ISSUE-149 and send to WG list [6] ←
16:24:03 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T16-07-16
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-rdf-wg-irc#T16-07-16 ←
16:24:09 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:24:10 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:24:10 <Zakim> Attendees were GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, +1.408.992.aaaa, pfps, +1.415.686.aabb, gkellogg, Sandro, yvesr, PatH, zwu2, +081165aadd, AZ, +1.540.898.aaee, davidwood, markus, Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were GavinC, Ivan, AndyS, +1.408.992.aaaa, pfps, +1.415.686.aabb, gkellogg, Sandro, yvesr, PatH, zwu2, +081165aadd, AZ, +1.540.898.aaee, davidwood, markus, Arnaud ←
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