14:57:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc
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14:57:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:57:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394 ←
14:57:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes ←
14:57:39 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:39 <trackbot> Date: 03 July 2013
14:58:11 <Guus> chair: Guus
14:59:35 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
14:59:35 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus ←
14:59:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro ←
14:59:50 <davidwood> Zakim, this is RDF
David Wood: Zakim, this is RDF ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> ok, davidwood; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, davidwood; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
14:59:56 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?
David Wood: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:59:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro ←
15:00:03 <davidwood> Zakim, aaaa is me
David Wood: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it ←
15:00:08 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
15:00:23 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
15:00:23 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:00:53 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←
15:00:55 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:01:05 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice] ←
15:01:10 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice] ←
15:01:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro ←
15:01:23 <pfps> zakim, gvoice is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, gvoice is me ←
15:01:23 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
15:03:01 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps ←
15:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro ←
15:03:03 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:03:40 <gavinc> scribe: gavinc
(Scribe set to Gavin Carothers)
15:03:52 <Arnaud> Arnaud has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.03
Arnaud Le Hors: Arnaud has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.03 ←
15:04:16 <gavinc> Topic: Admin
15:04:20 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:04:25 <gavinc> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon ←
15:04:28 <markus> zakim, code?
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, code? ←
15:04:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), markus
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), markus ←
15:04:29 <pfps> minutes are fine
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are fine ←
15:04:33 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:04:38 <gavinc> Guus: No objections.
Guus Schreiber: No objections. ←
15:04:46 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
15:04:46 <gavinc> Guus: No objections.
Guus Schreiber: No objections. ←
15:04:51 <markus> zakim, ??P14 is me
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
15:04:51 <Zakim> +markus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it ←
15:04:55 <gavinc> RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon
RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon ←
15:05:02 <gavinc> subtopic: Actions
15:05:11 <pfps> q+
15:05:14 <gavinc> Guus: 9 pending review actions
Guus Schreiber: 9 pending review actions ←
15:05:36 <pfps> I marked some old actions as pending review
Peter Patel-Schneider: I marked some old actions as pending review ←
15:06:05 <gavinc> Guus: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview claiming victory on all 9 unless there are objections?
Guus Schreiber: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview claiming victory on all 9 unless there are objections? ←
15:06:25 <pfps> q+?
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+? ←
15:06:32 <gavinc> Guus: Skipping other actions
Guus Schreiber: Skipping other actions ←
15:06:49 <gavinc> subtopic: Summer telecon schedule
15:07:15 <gavinc> davidwood: Was hoping that we'd get documents to LC before starting bi-weekly
David Wood: Was hoping that we'd get documents to LC before starting bi-weekly ←
15:07:21 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:07:24 <AndyS> +1 to DavidWood
Andy Seaborne: +1 to DavidWood ←
15:07:25 <gavinc> Guus: Yes, assuming everything goes to plan
Guus Schreiber: Yes, assuming everything goes to plan ←
15:07:30 <gavinc> gavinc: +1 to davidwood
Gavin Carothers: +1 to davidwood ←
15:07:31 <ericP> davidwood proposes that if we don't go to LC today, that we meet bi-hourly
Eric Prud'hommeaux: davidwood proposes that if we don't go to LC today, that we meet bi-hourly ←
15:08:05 <gavinc> Topic: LC Drafts of Concepts and Semantics
15:08:08 <pfps> q-
15:08:12 <pfps> q-?
Peter Patel-Schneider: q-? ←
15:08:12 <gavinc> Guus: Thanks to davidwood and pfps
Guus Schreiber: Thanks to davidwood and pfps ←
15:09:07 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:09:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH ←
15:09:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, PatH, markus, Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AZ, PatH, markus, Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro ←
15:09:20 <gavinc> davidwood: Markus did a review. I think I've addressed all of his concerns, except for one. Wanted to move a group of mathy sections into semantics, didn't do that.
David Wood: Markus did a review. I think I've addressed all of his concerns, except for one. Wanted to move a group of mathy sections into semantics, didn't do that. ←
15:09:28 <pfps> there are also independent reasons to keep several of these sections in Concepts
Peter Patel-Schneider: there are also independent reasons to keep several of these sections in Concepts ←
15:09:49 <gavinc> ... propose to go into last call as the documents stand, and peter and I can talk about moving some of the sections between the documents as I contend that editorial
... propose to go into last call as the documents stand, and peter and I can talk about moving some of the sections between the documents as I contend that editorial ←
15:10:00 <gavinc> markus: Yeah, we can sort it out later.
Markus Lanthaler: Yeah, we can sort it out later. ←
15:10:25 <gavinc> davidwood: Did move isomorphic out of headers per AndyS. I think your right markus to try and work that out.
David Wood: Did move isomorphic out of headers per AndyS. I think your right markus to try and work that out. ←
15:10:39 <gavinc> subtopic: Semantics
15:10:56 <gavinc> PatH: Semantics is ready to go. There will be some tweaks to it.
Patrick Hayes: Semantics is ready to go. There will be some tweaks to it. ←
15:11:01 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
15:11:04 <Zakim> + +1.619.663.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.619.663.aabb ←
15:11:11 <gavinc> ... links to some of the terms in concepts will need to be added
... links to some of the terms in concepts will need to be added ←
15:11:19 <AZ> Zakim, aabb is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aabb is me ←
15:11:20 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:11:22 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me ←
15:11:22 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb' ←
15:11:25 <gavinc> pfps: Haven't had any significant changes in a few weeks
Peter Patel-Schneider: Haven't had any significant changes in a few weeks ←
15:11:42 <davidwood> ISSUE-113?
15:11:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open ←
15:11:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113 ←
15:11:45 <davidwood> ISSUE-118?
15:11:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open ←
15:11:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118 ←
15:11:51 <gavinc> davidwood: pfps, issue 118 and 113 need to be closed before Semantics/Concepts before LC?
David Wood: pfps, ISSUE-118 and 113 need to be closed before Semantics/Concepts before LC? ←
15:11:55 <gavinc> pfps: Yes.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Yes. ←
15:11:56 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me ←
15:11:56 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb' ←
15:12:11 <davidwood> Peter's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jul/0037.html
David Wood: Peter's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jul/0037.html ←
15:12:12 <gavinc> davidwood: The mailing list seems to show consensus
David Wood: The mailing list seems to show consensus ←
15:12:18 <zwu2> zakim, aabb is me
15:12:18 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' ←
15:12:33 <gavinc> Guus: Happy to resolve these two issues.
Guus Schreiber: Happy to resolve these two issues. ←
15:12:34 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:12:34 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
15:12:47 <gavinc> -1 to opening an issue around the lists stuff from JSON-LD
-1 to opening an issue around the lists stuff from JSON-LD ←
15:13:17 <gavinc> Guus: No discusion on LC Concepts and Semantics
Guus Schreiber: No discusion on LC Concepts and Semantics ←
15:13:27 <gavinc> ISSUE-113?
15:13:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open ←
15:13:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113 ←
15:13:39 <gavinc> pfps: We need to close the two issues
Peter Patel-Schneider: We need to close the at least ISSUE-118 ←
15:13:59 <gavinc> davidwood: We haven't done anything releated to keys, but we have done things related to this issue.
David Wood: We haven't done anything releated to keys, but we have done things related to this issue. ←
15:14:24 <pfps> s/two issues/at least issue-118
15:15:16 <pfps> yes, OWL-2 has keys
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, OWL-2 has keys ←
15:15:24 <gavinc> sandro: OWL-2 has keys.
Sandro Hawke: OWL-2 has keys. ←
15:15:56 <davidwood> The RDF Keys message complains about the need for context (datasets) and quads (datasets).
David Wood: The RDF Keys message complains about the need for context (datasets) and quads (datasets). ←
15:16:18 <pfps> yes
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes ←
15:16:20 <gavinc> ISSUE-118?
15:16:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open ←
15:16:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118 ←
15:16:36 <davidwood> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern. ←
15:17:23 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:17:24 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:17:25 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:17:26 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:17:26 <gavinc> gavinc: +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:17:27 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:17:29 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:17:32 <pfps> +1
15:17:34 <zwu2> 0
15:17:36 <gavinc> sandro: +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:17:45 <yvesr> +0.8
Yves Raimond: +0.8 ←
15:17:48 <davidwood> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern. ←
15:17:49 <pchampin> +1
15:17:49 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:17:51 <pfps> Proposed: Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed)
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed) ←
15:18:10 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:18:12 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:18:13 <gavinc> gavinc: +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:18:14 <pfps> +1
15:18:16 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:18:19 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:18:25 <gavinc> sandro: +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:18:28 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:18:37 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:18:39 <davidwood> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed)
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed) ←
15:19:33 <Guus> PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html
PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html ←
15:19:41 <pfps> +1
15:19:42 <gavinc> gavinc: +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:19:45 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:19:46 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:19:48 <Guus> _1
Guus Schreiber: _1 ←
15:19:48 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:19:50 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:19:51 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:19:51 <zwu2> +1
15:19:52 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:19:57 <pchampin> +1
15:19:57 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:20:05 <markus> (the JSON-LD ref. should be fixed before publication)
Markus Lanthaler: (the JSON-LD ref. should be fixed before publication) ←
15:20:37 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html
RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html ←
15:21:11 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:21:15 <pfps> +1
15:21:15 <Guus> PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html
PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html ←
15:21:18 <pfps> +1
15:21:19 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:21:21 <gavinc> gavinc: +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:21:23 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:21:23 <pchampin> +1
15:21:27 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:21:32 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:21:40 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:21:44 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:21:44 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:21:46 <zwu2> +1
15:21:49 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html
RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html ←
15:21:53 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:22:05 <gavinc> subtopic: Publication Process
15:22:20 <gavinc> Guus: Requires a number of steps, these are recorded on the wiki
Guus Schreiber: Requires a number of steps, these are recorded on the wiki ←
15:22:36 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Tips_on_publishing_ReSpec-based_documents
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Tips_on_publishing_ReSpec-based_documents ←
15:23:02 <gavinc> sandro: Need to check what version of respec your using.
Sandro Hawke: Need to check what version of respec your using. ←
15:23:14 <gavinc> ... there is now a command line version of all those steps
... there is now a command line version of all those steps ←
15:23:20 <gavinc> ... little tricky to get to work
... little tricky to get to work ←
15:23:32 <gavinc> davidwood: Is there any documentation on this?
David Wood: Is there any documentation on this? ←
15:23:42 <gavinc> Guus: Link is now to global respec, not our local one.
Guus Schreiber: Link is now to global respec, not our local one. ←
15:23:54 <gavinc> sandro: I'm still on vaction.
Sandro Hawke: I'm still on vaction. ←
15:24:10 <markus> Concepts still uses an outdated version of ReSpec
Markus Lanthaler: Concepts still uses an outdated version of ReSpec ←
15:24:14 <gavinc> Guus: It's simple enough
Guus Schreiber: It's simple enough ←
15:24:15 <PatH> Peter, do you want to do this or should I?
Patrick Hayes: Peter, do you want to do this or should I? ←
15:24:15 <gavinc> -q
-q ←
15:24:17 <markus> Just sent a mail to the list
Markus Lanthaler: Just sent a mail to the list ←
15:24:30 <gavinc> sandro: there is a command line if you don't want to do the steps on the website
Sandro Hawke: there is a command line if you don't want to do the steps on the website ←
15:24:39 <gavinc> Guus: I've done it for 4 documents and done it in detail
Guus Schreiber: I've done it for 4 documents and done it in detail ←
15:24:52 <gavinc> davidwood: when I screw it up, I'll yell for help
David Wood: when I screw it up, I'll yell for help ←
15:25:30 <gavinc> Guus: Need the editors to tell me when it's ready.
Guus Schreiber: Need the editors to tell me when it's ready. ←
15:25:40 <pfps> I'll take a look at Semantics and see what needs to be done.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll take a look at Semantics and see what needs to be done. ←
15:25:43 <gavinc> ... and put the documents in drafts/<short-name>/Overview.html
... and put the documents in drafts/<short-name>/Overview.html ←
15:26:16 <gavinc> ... will ask web master to publish these at the same time.
... will ask web master to publish these at the same time. ←
15:26:36 <gavinc> ... david and pfps will notify guus when they are ready to publish.
... david and pfps will notify guus when they are ready to publish. ←
15:26:43 <gavinc> ... last call period?
... last call period? ←
15:27:00 <gavinc> Guus: What kind of period do we propose?
Guus Schreiber: What kind of period do we propose? ←
15:27:04 <davidwood> 8 weeks?
David Wood: 8 weeks? ←
15:27:26 <gavinc> PatH: Really need to be that long?
Patrick Hayes: Really need to be that long? ←
15:27:41 <markus> zakim, who is making noise?
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:27:49 <PatH> Kill that damn fly
Patrick Hayes: Kill that damn fly ←
15:27:52 <Zakim> markus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (19%), pfps (99%), Arnaud (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: markus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (19%), pfps (99%), Arnaud (4%) ←
15:27:53 <Guus> zakim, who is talking?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:28:01 <markus> zakim, mut pfps
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, mut pfps ←
15:28:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mut pfps', markus
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'mut pfps', markus ←
15:28:03 <Zakim> Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (9%), pfps (100%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (9%), pfps (100%) ←
15:28:03 <markus> zakim, mute pfps
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, mute pfps ←
15:28:03 <davidwood> Zakim, mute pfps
David Wood: Zakim, mute pfps ←
15:28:05 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
15:28:05 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, davidwood ←
15:28:42 <pfps> google voice gets into this strange problem when it has communication delays
Peter Patel-Schneider: google voice gets into this strange problem when it has communication delays ←
15:28:48 <gavinc> sandro: min is 4 week, but can't count weeks in August, first week of September seems best.
Sandro Hawke: min is 4 week, but can't count weeks in August, first week of September seems best. ←
15:29:07 <davidwood> pfps, did you have something to say or was it just google voice?
David Wood: pfps, did you have something to say or was it just google voice? ←
15:29:10 <pfps> we have other stuff that is yet to be done, so there is really no reason to compress too much
Peter Patel-Schneider: we have other stuff that is yet to be done, so there is really no reason to compress too much ←
15:29:11 <PatH> I miht be at risk for the second week in september.
Patrick Hayes: I miht be at risk for the second week in september. ←
15:29:15 <gavinc> Guus: I think we should do first week of September.... 6th September?
Guus Schreiber: I think we should do first week of September.... 6th September? ←
15:29:30 <gavinc> sandro: We still need to do outreach to make sure people hear about it before vactions
Sandro Hawke: We still need to do outreach to make sure people hear about it before vactions ←
15:29:39 <PatH> OK
Patrick Hayes: OK ←
15:29:57 <gavinc> PROPOSED: LC period ends 2013-09-06
PROPOSED: LC period ends 2013-09-06 ←
15:30:04 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:30:07 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:30:09 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:30:10 <gavinc> gavinc: +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:30:11 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:30:17 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:30:21 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:30:28 <gavinc> RESOLVED: LC period for Concepts and Semantics ends 2013-09-06
RESOLVED: LC period for Concepts and Semantics ends 2013-09-06 ←
15:30:47 <gavinc> Guus: davidwood and I take an action to do out reach
Guus Schreiber: davidwood and I take an action to do out reach ←
15:31:16 <gavinc> ACTION on Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics
ACTION on Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics ←
15:31:16 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>. ←
15:31:21 <gavinc> ACTION Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics
ACTION Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics ←
15:31:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-277 - Write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-277 - Write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-07-10]. ←
15:31:51 <gavinc> Topic: TriG
15:32:41 <gavinc> Guus: Trailing-dot discussion, this has reached concensus.
Guus Schreiber: Trailing-dot discussion, this has reached concensus. ←
15:32:53 <gavinc> subtopic: ISSUE-137
15:33:01 <gavinc> ISSUE-137?
15:33:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Should TriG be a subset of SPARQL Quad Pattern? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Should TriG be a subset of SPARQL Quad Pattern? -- raised ←
15:33:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/137
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/137 ←
15:34:26 <gavinc> sandro: So my perspective preparing for semtech, noticed how close TriG and SPARQL are. There are two bits that are not the same, and I couldn't really think of how to explain why they are diffrent
Sandro Hawke: So my perspective preparing for semtech, noticed how close TriG and SPARQL are. There are two bits that are not the same, and I couldn't really think of how to explain why they are diffrent ←
15:35:02 <gavinc> .. the two are GRAPH keywords, and requiring {} around the default graph
.. the two are GRAPH keywords, and requiring {} around the default graph ←
15:35:13 <gavinc> Guus: First one is the GRAPH keyword.
Guus Schreiber: First one is the GRAPH keyword. ←
15:38:14 <PatH> FWIW, the advantages of Sandro's suggestions are obvious. Are there any technical arguments against them? Technical, not procedural.
Patrick Hayes: FWIW, the advantages of Sandro's suggestions are obvious. Are there any technical arguments against them? Technical, not procedural. ←
15:38:59 <AndyS> Obvious? Break existing practice?
Andy Seaborne: Obvious? Break existing practice? ←
15:39:55 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:40:12 <gavinc> Guus: Propose adding them as features at Risk
Guus Schreiber: Propose adding them as features at Risk ←
15:40:21 <gavinc> sandro: I hope we'll see comments on them
Sandro Hawke: I hope we'll see comments on them ←
15:40:27 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
15:41:04 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:41:14 <gavinc> AndyS: I can we be so dismisive of parser writters. We don't have any examples of {} not around default graph, we don't understand the results of these.
Andy Seaborne: I can we be so dismisive of parser writters. We don't have any examples of {} not around default graph, we don't understand the results of these. ←
15:41:26 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:41:40 <gavinc> ... I don't care about the GRAPH keyword. But I don't like the issue which includes opinion
... I don't care about the GRAPH keyword. But I don't like the issue which includes opinion ←
15:43:20 <Arnaud> I would say that's a feature! :)
Arnaud Le Hors: I would say that's a feature! :) ←
15:44:05 <PatH> One could say, its a good idea to raise issues like this before there are any serious implementations.
Patrick Hayes: One could say, its a good idea to raise issues like this before there are any serious implementations. ←
15:45:26 <PatH> I presume that making the { } optional would just make life harder for everyone (??)
Patrick Hayes: I presume that making the { } optional would just make life harder for everyone (??) ←
15:46:59 <pchampin> making both GRAPH and {} (for default graph) optional may make things harder,
Pierre-Antoine Champin: making both GRAPH and {} (for default graph) optional may make things harder, ←
15:47:19 <pchampin> ... as a leading URI could be either a graph label or a subject in the default graph
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ... as a leading URI could be either a graph label or a subject in the default graph ←
15:47:32 <AndyS> What is the proposal for the grammar? LL(2) ?
Andy Seaborne: What is the proposal for the grammar? LL(2) ? ←
15:49:47 <gavinc> ACTION Eric to create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph
ACTION Eric to create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph ←
15:49:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-278 - Create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-278 - Create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-10]. ←
15:50:23 <AndyS> and aligns to Turtle.
Andy Seaborne: and aligns to Turtle. ←
15:50:40 <gavinc> ACTION sandro to propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph
ACTION sandro to propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph ←
15:50:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-279 - Propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-279 - Propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-07-10]. ←
15:51:09 <gavinc> ericP, please use the trig.bnf file that exists in hg
ericP, please use the trig.bnf file that exists in hg ←
15:52:37 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#c13
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#c13 ←
15:52:58 <gavinc> ericP: I looked at all the comments on the test suite and CR comments, there are no test comments that haven't been tracked and only one that hasn't been responded too
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I looked at all the comments on the test suite and CR comments, there are no test comments that haven't been tracked and only one that hasn't been responded too ←
15:53:28 <gavinc> ericP: Found some more non unicode characters and fixed those as well
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Found some more non unicode characters and fixed those as well ←
15:53:37 <PatH> pfps: does shift-ctrl-alt-s not work?
Peter Patel-Schneider: does shift-ctrl-alt-s not work? [ Scribe Assist by Patrick Hayes ] ←
15:53:43 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:54:48 <ericP> PROPOSED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/
PROPOSED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/ ←
15:54:51 <PatH> pfps: suggest emailing Robin Berjeron
Peter Patel-Schneider: suggest emailing Robin Berjeron [ Scribe Assist by Patrick Hayes ] ←
15:55:05 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:55:10 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:55:22 <gavinc> gavinc: +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:55:23 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:55:27 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:55:31 <pfps> +1 (what the heck)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (what the heck) ←
15:55:37 <gavinc> sandro: +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:55:42 <zwu2> +1
15:55:42 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:55:47 <ericP> RESOLVED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/
RESOLVED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/ ←
15:57:50 <AZ> Zakim, who is speaking?
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:57:53 <gavinc> Zakim, who is speaking?
Zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:57:56 <PatH> That sounds like something that should not be done in public.
Patrick Hayes: That sounds like something that should not be done in public. ←
15:58:00 <Zakim> AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (27%), davidwood (41%), Arnaud (5%), Sandro (70%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (27%), davidwood (41%), Arnaud (5%), Sandro (70%) ←
15:58:12 <davidwood> Zakim, mute me
David Wood: Zakim, mute me ←
15:58:12 <Zakim> gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (22%), davidwood (4%), Sandro (64%), PatH (8%)
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (22%), davidwood (4%), Sandro (64%), PatH (8%) ←
15:58:13 <Zakim> davidwood should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood should now be muted ←
15:58:35 <gavinc> Zakim, mute sandro
Zakim, mute sandro ←
15:58:35 <Zakim> Sandro should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Sandro should now be muted ←
15:58:43 <ericP> ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations
ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations ←
15:58:43 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>. ←
15:58:57 <ericP> ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations
ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations ←
15:58:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-280 - Contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-280 - Contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-07-10]. ←
16:00:55 <gavinc> markus: JSON-LD text was updated to say JSON-LD is based on RDF
Markus Lanthaler: JSON-LD text was updated to say JSON-LD is based on RDF ←
16:01:27 <gavinc> Guus: waiting for agreement on consesus from pfps and JSON-LD subgroub
Guus Schreiber: waiting for agreement on consesus from pfps and JSON-LD subgroub ←
16:01:41 <pfps> consider that a flag has been raised
Peter Patel-Schneider: consider that a flag has been raised ←
16:02:09 <gavinc> Guus: Thanks, and ajorned. Next Week N-Triples/N-Quads, and JSON-LD and RDF-JSON
Guus Schreiber: Thanks, and ajorned. Next Week N-Triples/N-Quads, and JSON-LD and RDF-JSON ←
16:02:18 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:02:18 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:02:22 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
16:02:24 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
16:02:25 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
16:02:25 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:02:27 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:02:27 <Zakim> -??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P19 ←
16:02:32 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber ←
16:02:34 <pchampin> bye
Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye ←
16:02:40 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:02:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:02:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC, davidwood, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH, +1.619.663.aabb, AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC, davidwood, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH, +1.619.663.aabb, AZ ←
16:02:40 <markus> bye
Markus Lanthaler: bye ←
16:02:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:02:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:02:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:02:49 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
16:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [1]
ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [1] ←
16:02:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-43
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-43 ←
16:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [2]
ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [2] ←
16:02:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-57
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-57 ←
16:02:51 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
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