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RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 03 July 2013

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Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Markus Lanthaler, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Gavin Carothers
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon link
  2. Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern. link
  3.  Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed) link
  4. Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html link
  5. Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html link
  6. LC period for Concepts and Semantics ends 2013-09-06 link
  7. accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/ link
Topics
14:57:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc

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14:57:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:57:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:57:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

14:57:39 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:39 <trackbot> Date: 03 July 2013
14:58:11 <Guus> chair: Guus
14:59:35 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

14:59:35 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

14:59:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

14:59:50 <davidwood> Zakim, this is RDF

David Wood: Zakim, this is RDF

14:59:50 <Zakim> ok, davidwood; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, davidwood; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

14:59:56 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?

David Wood: Zakim, who is here?

14:59:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC

14:59:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

15:00:03 <davidwood> Zakim, aaaa is me

David Wood: Zakim, aaaa is me

15:00:03 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it

15:00:08 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

15:00:23 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P4 is me

15:00:23 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it

15:00:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:00:53 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice]

15:00:55 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:00:55 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:01:05 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice]

15:01:10 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:01:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, [GVoice]

15:01:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

15:01:23 <pfps> zakim, gvoice is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, gvoice is me

15:01:23 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it

15:03:01 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:03:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps

15:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

15:03:03 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:03:40 <gavinc> scribe: gavinc

(Scribe set to Gavin Carothers)

15:03:52 <Arnaud> Arnaud has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.03

Arnaud Le Hors: Arnaud has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.03

15:04:16 <gavinc> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:04:20 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:04:25 <gavinc> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon

15:04:28 <markus> zakim, code?

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, code?

15:04:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), markus

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), markus

15:04:29 <pfps> minutes are fine

Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are fine

15:04:33 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

15:04:38 <gavinc> Guus: No objections.

Guus Schreiber: No objections.

15:04:46 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

15:04:46 <gavinc> Guus: No objections.

Guus Schreiber: No objections.

15:04:51 <markus> zakim, ??P14 is me

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P14 is me

15:04:51 <Zakim> +markus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it

15:04:55 <gavinc> RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon

RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 26 June telecon

15:05:02 <gavinc> subtopic: Actions

1.1. Actions

15:05:11 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

15:05:14 <gavinc> Guus: 9 pending review actions

Guus Schreiber: 9 pending review actions

15:05:36 <pfps> I marked some old actions as pending review

Peter Patel-Schneider: I marked some old actions as pending review

15:06:05 <gavinc> Guus: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview claiming victory on all 9 unless there are objections?

Guus Schreiber: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview claiming victory on all 9 unless there are objections?

15:06:25 <pfps> q+?

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+?

15:06:32 <gavinc> Guus: Skipping other actions

Guus Schreiber: Skipping other actions

15:06:49 <gavinc> subtopic: Summer telecon schedule

1.2. Summer telecon schedule

15:07:15 <gavinc> davidwood: Was hoping that we'd get documents to LC before starting bi-weekly

David Wood: Was hoping that we'd get documents to LC before starting bi-weekly

15:07:21 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

15:07:24 <AndyS> +1 to DavidWood

Andy Seaborne: +1 to DavidWood

15:07:25 <gavinc> Guus: Yes, assuming everything goes to plan

Guus Schreiber: Yes, assuming everything goes to plan

15:07:30 <gavinc> gavinc: +1 to davidwood

Gavin Carothers: +1 to davidwood

15:07:31 <ericP> davidwood proposes that if we don't go to LC today, that we meet bi-hourly

Eric Prud'hommeaux: davidwood proposes that if we don't go to LC today, that we meet bi-hourly

15:08:05 <gavinc> Topic: LC Drafts of Concepts and Semantics

2. LC Drafts of Concepts and Semantics

15:08:08 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

15:08:12 <pfps> q-?

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-?

15:08:12 <gavinc> Guus: Thanks to davidwood and pfps

Guus Schreiber: Thanks to davidwood and pfps

15:09:07 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:09:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, davidwood, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH

15:09:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, PatH, markus, Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AZ, PatH, markus, Arnaud, pchampin, pfps, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, manu, trackbot, Guus, gavinc, TallTed, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, yvesr, mischat, ericP, sandro

15:09:20 <gavinc> davidwood: Markus did a review. I think I've addressed all of his concerns, except for one. Wanted to move a group of mathy sections into semantics, didn't do that.

David Wood: Markus did a review. I think I've addressed all of his concerns, except for one. Wanted to move a group of mathy sections into semantics, didn't do that.

15:09:28 <pfps> there are also independent reasons to keep several of these sections in Concepts

Peter Patel-Schneider: there are also independent reasons to keep several of these sections in Concepts

15:09:49 <gavinc> ... propose to go into last call as the documents stand, and peter and I can talk about moving some of the sections between the documents as I contend that editorial

... propose to go into last call as the documents stand, and peter and I can talk about moving some of the sections between the documents as I contend that editorial

15:10:00 <gavinc> markus: Yeah, we can sort it out later.

Markus Lanthaler: Yeah, we can sort it out later.

15:10:25 <gavinc> davidwood: Did move isomorphic out of headers per AndyS. I think your right markus to try and work that out.

David Wood: Did move isomorphic out of headers per AndyS. I think your right markus to try and work that out.

15:10:39 <gavinc> subtopic: Semantics

2.1. Semantics

15:10:56 <gavinc> PatH: Semantics is ready to go. There will be some tweaks to it.

Patrick Hayes: Semantics is ready to go. There will be some tweaks to it.

15:11:01 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

15:11:04 <Zakim> + +1.619.663.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.619.663.aabb

15:11:11 <gavinc> ... links to some of the terms in concepts will need to be added

... links to some of the terms in concepts will need to be added

15:11:19 <AZ> Zakim, aabb is me

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aabb is me

15:11:20 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

15:11:22 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me

15:11:22 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb'

15:11:25 <gavinc> pfps: Haven't had any significant changes in a few weeks

Peter Patel-Schneider: Haven't had any significant changes in a few weeks

15:11:42 <davidwood> ISSUE-113?

David Wood: ISSUE-113?

15:11:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open

15:11:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113

15:11:45 <davidwood> ISSUE-118?

David Wood: ISSUE-118?

15:11:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open

15:11:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118

15:11:51 <gavinc> davidwood: pfps, issue 118 and 113 need to be closed before Semantics/Concepts before LC?

David Wood: pfps, ISSUE-118 and 113 need to be closed before Semantics/Concepts before LC?

15:11:55 <gavinc> pfps: Yes.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Yes.

15:11:56 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aabb is me

15:11:56 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.619.663.aabb'

15:12:11 <davidwood> Peter's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jul/0037.html

David Wood: Peter's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jul/0037.html

15:12:12 <gavinc> davidwood: The mailing list seems to show consensus

David Wood: The mailing list seems to show consensus

15:12:18 <zwu2> zakim, aabb is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, aabb is me

15:12:18 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

15:12:33 <gavinc> Guus: Happy to resolve these two issues.

Guus Schreiber: Happy to resolve these two issues.

15:12:34 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

15:12:34 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

15:12:47 <gavinc> -1 to opening an issue around the lists stuff from JSON-LD

-1 to opening an issue around the lists stuff from JSON-LD

15:13:17 <gavinc> Guus: No discusion on LC Concepts and Semantics

Guus Schreiber: No discusion on LC Concepts and Semantics

15:13:27 <gavinc> ISSUE-113?

ISSUE-113?

15:13:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-113 -- RDF Keys -- open

15:13:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/113

15:13:39 <gavinc> pfps: We need to close the two issues

Peter Patel-Schneider: We need to close the at least ISSUE-118

15:13:59 <gavinc> davidwood: We haven't done anything releated to keys, but we have done things related to this issue.

David Wood: We haven't done anything releated to keys, but we have done things related to this issue.

15:14:24 <pfps> s/two issues/at least issue-118
15:15:16 <pfps> yes, OWL-2 has keys

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, OWL-2 has keys

15:15:24 <gavinc> sandro: OWL-2 has keys.

Sandro Hawke: OWL-2 has keys.

15:15:56 <davidwood> The RDF Keys message complains about the need for context (datasets) and quads (datasets).

David Wood: The RDF Keys message complains about the need for context (datasets) and quads (datasets).

15:16:18 <pfps> yes

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes

15:16:20 <gavinc> ISSUE-118?

ISSUE-118?

15:16:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-118 -- Simplifying datatype semantics -- open

15:16:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/118

15:16:36 <davidwood> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern.

15:17:23 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:17:24 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:17:25 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:17:26 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:17:26 <gavinc> gavinc: +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:17:27 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:17:29 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:17:32 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:17:34 <zwu2> 0

Zhe Wu: 0

15:17:36 <gavinc> sandro: +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:17:45 <yvesr> +0.8

Yves Raimond: +0.8

15:17:48 <davidwood> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-113 saying that this WG's work on datasets and OWL-2's introduction of keys addresses the reported concern.

15:17:49 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:17:49 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:17:51 <pfps> Proposed:  Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed)

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed)

15:18:10 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:18:12 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:18:13 <gavinc> gavinc: +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:18:14 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:18:16 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:18:19 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:18:25 <gavinc> sandro: +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:18:28 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:18:37 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:18:39 <davidwood> RESOLVED:  Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed)

RESOLVED:  Close ISSUE-118 (datatypes) as specified in Semantics (datatype maps have been removed)

15:19:33 <Guus> PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html

PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html

15:19:41 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:19:42 <gavinc> gavinc: +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:19:45 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:19:46 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:19:48 <Guus> _1

Guus Schreiber: _1

15:19:48 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:19:50 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:19:51 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:19:51 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

15:19:52 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:19:57 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:19:57 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:20:05 <markus> (the JSON-LD ref. should be fixed before publication)

Markus Lanthaler: (the JSON-LD ref. should be fixed before publication)

15:20:37 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html

RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-concepts as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html

15:21:11 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:21:15 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:21:15 <Guus> PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html

PROPOSED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html

15:21:18 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:21:19 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:21:21 <gavinc> gavinc: +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:21:23 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:21:23 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:21:27 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:21:32 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:21:40 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:21:44 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:21:44 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:21:46 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

15:21:49 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html

RESOLVED: Publish rdf11-mt as a Last Call Working Draft https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/index.html

15:21:53 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:22:05 <gavinc> subtopic: Publication Process

2.2. Publication Process

15:22:20 <gavinc> Guus: Requires a number of steps, these are recorded on the wiki

Guus Schreiber: Requires a number of steps, these are recorded on the wiki

15:22:36 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Tips_on_publishing_ReSpec-based_documents

http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Tips_on_publishing_ReSpec-based_documents

15:23:02 <gavinc> sandro: Need to check what version of respec your using.

Sandro Hawke: Need to check what version of respec your using.

15:23:14 <gavinc> ... there is now a command line version of all those steps

... there is now a command line version of all those steps

15:23:20 <gavinc> ... little tricky to get to work

... little tricky to get to work

15:23:32 <gavinc> davidwood: Is there any documentation on this?

David Wood: Is there any documentation on this?

15:23:42 <gavinc> Guus: Link is now to global respec, not our local one.

Guus Schreiber: Link is now to global respec, not our local one.

15:23:54 <gavinc> sandro: I'm still on vaction.

Sandro Hawke: I'm still on vaction.

15:24:10 <markus> Concepts still uses an outdated version of ReSpec

Markus Lanthaler: Concepts still uses an outdated version of ReSpec

15:24:14 <gavinc> Guus: It's simple enough

Guus Schreiber: It's simple enough

15:24:15 <PatH> Peter, do you want to do this or should I?

Patrick Hayes: Peter, do you want to do this or should I?

15:24:15 <gavinc> -q

-q

15:24:17 <markus> Just sent a mail to the list

Markus Lanthaler: Just sent a mail to the list

15:24:30 <gavinc> sandro: there is a command line if you don't want to do the steps on the website

Sandro Hawke: there is a command line if you don't want to do the steps on the website

15:24:39 <gavinc> Guus: I've done it for 4 documents and done it in detail

Guus Schreiber: I've done it for 4 documents and done it in detail

15:24:52 <gavinc> davidwood: when I screw it up, I'll yell for help

David Wood: when I screw it up, I'll yell for help

15:25:30 <gavinc> Guus: Need the editors to tell me when it's ready.

Guus Schreiber: Need the editors to tell me when it's ready.

15:25:40 <pfps> I'll take a look at Semantics and see what needs to be done.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll take a look at Semantics and see what needs to be done.

15:25:43 <gavinc> ... and put the documents in  drafts/<short-name>/Overview.html

... and put the documents in drafts/<short-name>/Overview.html

15:26:16 <gavinc> ... will ask web master to publish these at the same time.

... will ask web master to publish these at the same time.

15:26:36 <gavinc> ... david and pfps will notify guus when they are ready to publish.

... david and pfps will notify guus when they are ready to publish.

15:26:43 <gavinc> ... last call period?

... last call period?

15:27:00 <gavinc> Guus: What kind of period do we propose?

Guus Schreiber: What kind of period do we propose?

15:27:04 <davidwood> 8 weeks?

David Wood: 8 weeks?

15:27:26 <gavinc> PatH: Really need to be that long?

Patrick Hayes: Really need to be that long?

15:27:41 <markus> zakim, who is making noise?

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, who is making noise?

15:27:49 <PatH> Kill that damn fly

Patrick Hayes: Kill that damn fly

15:27:52 <Zakim> markus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (19%), pfps (99%), Arnaud (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: markus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (19%), pfps (99%), Arnaud (4%)

15:27:53 <Guus> zakim, who is talking?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is talking?

15:28:01 <markus> zakim, mut pfps

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, mut pfps

15:28:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mut pfps', markus

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'mut pfps', markus

15:28:03 <Zakim> Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (9%), pfps (100%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (9%), pfps (100%)

15:28:03 <markus> zakim, mute pfps

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, mute pfps

15:28:03 <davidwood> Zakim, mute pfps

David Wood: Zakim, mute pfps

15:28:05 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

15:28:05 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, davidwood

15:28:42 <pfps> google voice gets into this strange problem when it has communication delays

Peter Patel-Schneider: google voice gets into this strange problem when it has communication delays

15:28:48 <gavinc> sandro: min is 4 week, but can't count weeks in August, first week of September seems best.

Sandro Hawke: min is 4 week, but can't count weeks in August, first week of September seems best.

15:29:07 <davidwood> pfps, did you have something to say or was it just google voice?

David Wood: pfps, did you have something to say or was it just google voice?

15:29:10 <pfps> we have other stuff that is yet to be done, so there is really no reason to compress too much

Peter Patel-Schneider: we have other stuff that is yet to be done, so there is really no reason to compress too much

15:29:11 <PatH> I miht be at risk for the second week in september.

Patrick Hayes: I miht be at risk for the second week in september.

15:29:15 <gavinc> Guus: I think we should do first week of September.... 6th September?

Guus Schreiber: I think we should do first week of September.... 6th September?

15:29:30 <gavinc> sandro: We still need to do outreach to make sure people hear about it before vactions

Sandro Hawke: We still need to do outreach to make sure people hear about it before vactions

15:29:39 <PatH> OK

Patrick Hayes: OK

15:29:57 <gavinc> PROPOSED: LC period ends 2013-09-06

PROPOSED: LC period ends 2013-09-06

15:30:04 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:30:07 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:30:09 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:30:10 <gavinc> gavinc: +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:30:11 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:30:17 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:30:21 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:30:28 <gavinc> RESOLVED: LC period for Concepts and Semantics ends 2013-09-06

RESOLVED: LC period for Concepts and Semantics ends 2013-09-06

15:30:47 <gavinc> Guus: davidwood and I take an action to do out reach

Guus Schreiber: davidwood and I take an action to do out reach

15:31:16 <gavinc> ACTION on Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics

ACTION on Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics

15:31:16 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

15:31:21 <gavinc> ACTION Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics

ACTION Guus to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics

15:31:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-277 - Write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-07-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-277 - Write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-07-10].

15:31:51 <gavinc> Topic: TriG

3. TriG

15:32:41 <gavinc> Guus: Trailing-dot discussion, this has reached concensus.

Guus Schreiber: Trailing-dot discussion, this has reached concensus.

15:32:53 <gavinc> subtopic: ISSUE-137

3.1. ISSUE-137

15:33:01 <gavinc> ISSUE-137?

ISSUE-137?

15:33:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Should TriG be a subset of SPARQL Quad Pattern? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Should TriG be a subset of SPARQL Quad Pattern? -- raised

15:33:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/137

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/137

15:34:26 <gavinc> sandro: So my perspective preparing for semtech, noticed how close TriG and SPARQL are. There are two bits that are not the same, and I couldn't really think of how to explain why they are diffrent

Sandro Hawke: So my perspective preparing for semtech, noticed how close TriG and SPARQL are. There are two bits that are not the same, and I couldn't really think of how to explain why they are diffrent

15:35:02 <gavinc> .. the two are GRAPH keywords, and requiring {} around the default graph

.. the two are GRAPH keywords, and requiring {} around the default graph

15:35:13 <gavinc> Guus: First one is the GRAPH keyword.

Guus Schreiber: First one is the GRAPH keyword.

15:38:14 <PatH> FWIW, the advantages of Sandro's suggestions are obvious. Are there any technical arguments against them? Technical, not procedural.

Patrick Hayes: FWIW, the advantages of Sandro's suggestions are obvious. Are there any technical arguments against them? Technical, not procedural.

15:38:59 <AndyS> Obvious? Break existing practice?

Andy Seaborne: Obvious? Break existing practice?

15:39:55 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:40:12 <gavinc> Guus: Propose adding them as features at Risk

Guus Schreiber: Propose adding them as features at Risk

15:40:21 <gavinc> sandro: I hope we'll see comments on them

Sandro Hawke: I hope we'll see comments on them

15:40:27 <Guus> ack AndyS

Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS

15:41:04 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:41:14 <gavinc> AndyS: I can we be so dismisive of parser writters. We don't have any examples of {} not around default graph, we don't understand the results of these.

Andy Seaborne: I can we be so dismisive of parser writters. We don't have any examples of {} not around default graph, we don't understand the results of these.

15:41:26 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:41:40 <gavinc> ... I don't care about the GRAPH keyword. But I don't like the issue which includes opinion

... I don't care about the GRAPH keyword. But I don't like the issue which includes opinion

15:43:20 <Arnaud> I would say that's a feature! :)

Arnaud Le Hors: I would say that's a feature! :)

15:44:05 <PatH> One could say, its a good idea to raise issues like this before there are any serious implementations.

Patrick Hayes: One could say, its a good idea to raise issues like this before there are any serious implementations.

15:45:26 <PatH> I presume that making the { } optional would just make life harder for everyone (??)

Patrick Hayes: I presume that making the { } optional would just make life harder for everyone (??)

15:46:59 <pchampin> making both GRAPH and {} (for default graph) optional may make things harder,

Pierre-Antoine Champin: making both GRAPH and {} (for default graph) optional may make things harder,

15:47:19 <pchampin> ... as a leading URI could be either a graph label or a subject in the default graph

Pierre-Antoine Champin: ... as a leading URI could be either a graph label or a subject in the default graph

15:47:32 <AndyS> What is the proposal for the grammar?  LL(2) ?

Andy Seaborne: What is the proposal for the grammar? LL(2) ?

15:49:47 <gavinc> ACTION Eric to create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph

ACTION Eric to create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph

15:49:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-278 - Create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-278 - Create new grammar for TriG that includes optional graph keywords and make {} optional around the default graph [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-10].

15:50:23 <AndyS> and aligns to Turtle.

Andy Seaborne: and aligns to Turtle.

15:50:40 <gavinc> ACTION sandro to propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph

ACTION sandro to propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph

15:50:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-279 - Propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-07-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-279 - Propose text for TriG feature at risk for both GRAPH keywords and {} being optional around the default graph [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-07-10].

15:51:09 <gavinc> ericP, please use the trig.bnf file that exists in hg

ericP, please use the trig.bnf file that exists in hg

15:52:37 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#c13

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#c13

15:52:58 <gavinc> ericP: I looked at all the comments on the test suite and CR comments, there are no test comments that haven't been tracked and only one that hasn't been responded too

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I looked at all the comments on the test suite and CR comments, there are no test comments that haven't been tracked and only one that hasn't been responded too

15:53:28 <gavinc> ericP: Found some more non unicode characters and fixed those as well

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Found some more non unicode characters and fixed those as well

15:53:37 <PatH> pfps: does shift-ctrl-alt-s not work?

Peter Patel-Schneider: does shift-ctrl-alt-s not work? [ Scribe Assist by Patrick Hayes ]

15:53:43 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

15:54:48 <ericP> PROPOSED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/

PROPOSED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/

15:54:51 <PatH> pfps: suggest emailing Robin Berjeron

Peter Patel-Schneider: suggest emailing Robin Berjeron [ Scribe Assist by Patrick Hayes ]

15:55:05 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:55:10 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:55:22 <gavinc> gavinc: +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:55:23 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:55:27 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:55:31 <pfps> +1 (what the heck)

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (what the heck)

15:55:37 <gavinc> sandro: +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:55:42 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

15:55:42 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:55:47 <ericP> RESOLVED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/

RESOLVED: accept all tests in http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/

15:57:50 <AZ> Zakim, who is speaking?

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is speaking?

15:57:53 <gavinc> Zakim, who is speaking?

Zakim, who is speaking?

15:57:56 <PatH> That sounds like something that should not be done in public.

Patrick Hayes: That sounds like something that should not be done in public.

15:58:00 <Zakim> AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (27%), davidwood (41%), Arnaud (5%), Sandro (70%)

Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (27%), davidwood (41%), Arnaud (5%), Sandro (70%)

15:58:12 <davidwood> Zakim, mute me

David Wood: Zakim, mute me

15:58:12 <Zakim> gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (22%), davidwood (4%), Sandro (64%), PatH (8%)

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (22%), davidwood (4%), Sandro (64%), PatH (8%)

15:58:13 <Zakim> davidwood should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood should now be muted

15:58:35 <gavinc> Zakim, mute sandro

Zakim, mute sandro

15:58:35 <Zakim> Sandro should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Sandro should now be muted

15:58:43 <ericP> ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations

ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations

15:58:43 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

15:58:57 <ericP> ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations

ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations

15:58:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-280 - Contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-07-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-280 - Contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-07-10].

16:00:55 <gavinc> markus: JSON-LD text was updated to say JSON-LD is based on RDF

Markus Lanthaler: JSON-LD text was updated to say JSON-LD is based on RDF

16:01:27 <gavinc> Guus: waiting for agreement on consesus from pfps and JSON-LD subgroub

Guus Schreiber: waiting for agreement on consesus from pfps and JSON-LD subgroub

16:01:41 <pfps> consider that a flag has been raised

Peter Patel-Schneider: consider that a flag has been raised

16:02:09 <gavinc> Guus: Thanks, and ajorned. Next Week N-Triples/N-Quads, and JSON-LD and RDF-JSON

Guus Schreiber: Thanks, and ajorned. Next Week N-Triples/N-Quads, and JSON-LD and RDF-JSON

16:02:18 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

16:02:18 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:02:21 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

16:02:22 <Zakim> -davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood

16:02:24 <Zakim> -PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH

16:02:25 <Zakim> -markus

Zakim IRC Bot: -markus

16:02:25 <Zakim> -yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr

16:02:27 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

16:02:27 <Zakim> -??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P19

16:02:32 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber

Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber

16:02:34 <pchampin> bye

Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye

16:02:40 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting

Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting

16:02:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:02:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC, davidwood, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH, +1.619.663.aabb, AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, +1.540.898.aaaa, GavinC, davidwood, yvesr, AndyS, pfps, Arnaud, Sandro, EricP, markus, PatH, +1.619.663.aabb, AZ

16:02:40 <markus> bye

Markus Lanthaler: bye

16:02:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:02:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

16:02:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:02:49 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

16:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [1]

ACTION: gavinc to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [1]

16:02:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-43

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-43

16:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [2]

ACTION: gavin to contact rdf-wg-comments, semantic-web and submitters of test results at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Implementations [2]

16:02:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-57

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/03-rdf-wg-irc#T15-58-57

16:02:51 <Zakim> -GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC



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