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RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 27 June 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.27
Seen
Alex Hall, Antoine Zimmermann, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Gregg Kellogg, Guus Schreiber, Lee Feigenbaum, Manu Sporny, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
Scribe
Manu Sporny, Eric Prud'hommeaux
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Accept minutes from June 20th 2012 telecon. link
  2. Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html link
  3. Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html link
Topics
15:01:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc

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15:02:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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15:02:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

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15:02:03 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:02:03 <trackbot> Date: 27 June 2012
15:02:09 <MacTed> Zakim, this is 73394

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is 73394

15:02:09 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

15:02:14 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], OpenLink_Software, AlexHall, ??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], OpenLink_Software, AlexHall, ??P18

15:02:23 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP

15:02:26 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:02:27 <AZ> zakim, ??P18 is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, ??P18 is me

15:02:27 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

15:02:27 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P18 is me

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P18 is me

15:02:28 <Guus> zakim, 31.20 is me

Guus Schreiber: zakim, 31.20 is me

15:02:31 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:02:35 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:02:37 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

15:02:42 <Zakim> I already had ??P18 as AZ, yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P18 as AZ, yvesr

15:02:42 <yvesr> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Yves Raimond: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:43 <Zakim> sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '31.20'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '31.20'

15:02:52 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is Guus

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aaaa is Guus

15:02:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, ??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, ??P17

15:02:56 <Guus> zakim, +31.20 is me

Guus Schreiber: zakim, +31.20 is me

15:02:57 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro

15:02:58 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P17 is me

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P17 is me

15:02:59 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

15:03:04 <Zakim> +Guus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus; got it

15:03:07 <Zakim> sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '+31.20'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '+31.20'

15:03:09 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it

15:03:12 <gkellogg> zakim, ??P12 is me

Gregg Kellogg: zakim, ??P12 is me

15:03:17 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gkellogg; got it

15:03:21 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas

15:03:22 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

15:03:25 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:03:27 <Zakim> +bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland

15:03:32 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, yvesr, sandro, gkellogg, cygri, bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, yvesr, sandro, gkellogg, cygri, bhyland

15:03:34 <davidwood> Zakim, bhyland is me

David Wood: Zakim, bhyland is me

15:03:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP

15:03:38 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it

15:03:58 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

15:04:01 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P28

Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P28

15:04:01 <Zakim> +manu1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it

15:05:59 <zwu2> zakim, code?

Zhe Wu: zakim, code?

15:05:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2

15:06:11 <Zakim> +gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc

15:06:47 <Zakim> +zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2

15:06:56 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

15:06:56 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted

15:07:42 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:07:42 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:07:53 <manu1> scribenick: manu1

(Scribe set to Manu Sporny)

15:07:57 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

15:08:09 <ericP> Zakim, ??P33 is me

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, ??P33 is me

15:08:09 <Zakim> +ericP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it

15:08:25 <manu1> Topic: Minutes from Last week

1. Minutes from Last week

15:08:35 <manu1> Guus: Propose to accept minutes from last week.

Guus Schreiber: Propose to accept minutes from last week.

15:08:40 <manu1> No objections.

No objections.

15:08:49 <pfps> Minutes look fine.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes look fine.

15:09:42 <manu1> RESOLVED: Accept minutes from June 20th 2012 telecon.

RESOLVED: Accept minutes from June 20th 2012 telecon.

15:09:52 <manu1> Topic: Action Items

2. Action Items

15:10:02 <manu1> Guus: One pending review from Andy - predicate-object list

Guus Schreiber: One pending review from Andy - predicate-object list

15:10:07 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri

15:10:33 <manu1> Ericp: I thought we were going to allow an arbitrary number of semicolons... Andy's contribution only allows up to one semicolon.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I thought we were going to allow an arbitrary number of semicolons... Andy's contribution only allows up to one semicolon.

15:10:37 <manu1> Guus: The action has been done.

Guus Schreiber: The action has been done.

15:11:02 <manu1> Guus: Any other actions that should be closed that are currently open? 10 actions open.

Guus Schreiber: Any other actions that should be closed that are currently open? 10 actions open.

15:11:12 <manu1> Guus: Let's continue.

Guus Schreiber: Let's continue.

15:11:16 <manu1> Topic: Next Meeting

3. Next Meeting

15:11:31 <manu1> Guus: Next telecon is July 11th 2012... the rest of the telecons are in the Agenda

Guus Schreiber: Next telecon is July 11th 2012... the rest of the telecons are in the Agenda

15:11:43 <manu1> Guus: From 5 september on, we continue w/ weekly schedule.

Guus Schreiber: From 5 september on, we continue w/ weekly schedule.

15:12:11 <manu1> Guus: The next face-to-face - proposal is to do it at TPAC - October 29th - November 3rd 2012 in Lyon, France. The link to TPAC is in the Agenda.

Guus Schreiber: The next face-to-face - proposal is to do it at TPAC - October 29th - November 3rd 2012 in Lyon, France. The link to TPAC is in the Agenda.

15:12:18 <manu1> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.27
15:12:54 <manu1> Guus: The face-to-face will be used to coordinate on the documents and other groups, like the Linked Data Group...

Guus Schreiber: The face-to-face will be used to coordinate on the documents and other groups, like the Linked Data Group...

15:12:56 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

15:13:49 <manu1> Guus: There are only rooms available on the Thursday or Friday - limited options for us. Proposal is to meet on the Thursday/Friday. ISWC is 11th-15th of November, that may be a possibility?

Guus Schreiber: There are only rooms available on the Thursday or Friday - limited options for us. Proposal is to meet on the Thursday/Friday. ISWC is 11th-15th of November, that may be a possibility?

15:14:13 <manu1> Sandro: That's in Boston, Cambridge - ISWC is, that is.

David Wood: That's in Boston, Cambridge - ISWC is, that is.

15:14:18 <AZ> +1 to TPAC

Antoine Zimmermann: +1 to TPAC

15:14:20 <manu1> Guus: Sounds like folks are okay w/ meeting at TPAC.

Guus Schreiber: meeting at TPAC/ meeting at TPAC.

15:14:24 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

15:14:34 <pchampin> zakim, ??P2 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P2 is me

15:14:34 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:14:36 <sandro> +1 TPAC

Sandro Hawke: +1 TPAC

15:14:39 <cygri> +0.5 TPAC

Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 TPAC

15:14:43 <gavinc> -0 TPAC

Gavin Carothers: -0 TPAC

15:14:44 <sandro> s/Sandro/DavidWood/
15:14:49 <pchampin> +1 TPAC

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 TPAC

15:14:50 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:14:51 <manu1> s/Sounds like folks are okay w/ meeting at TPAC/Let's see if people are okay with TPAC/
15:14:53 <gkellogg> +0 TPAC

Gregg Kellogg: +0 TPAC

15:14:54 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:14:55 <zwu2> -0 TPAC

Zhe Wu: -0 TPAC

15:14:58 <LeeF> 0

Lee Feigenbaum: 0

15:15:05 <MacTed> +0 (won't be there, won't block)

Ted Thibodeau: +0 (won't be there, won't block)

15:15:06 <LeeF> (I won't make it to TPAC)

Lee Feigenbaum: (I won't make it to TPAC)

15:15:10 <Souri> Are we planning to have a video conference for folks near Boston?

Souripriya Das: Are we planning to have a video conference for folks near Boston?

15:15:15 <pfps> I won't be there - conflict with Dagstuhl ontology seminar.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I won't be there - conflict with Dagstuhl ontology seminar.

15:15:20 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:15:29 <Souri> +0

Souripriya Das: +0

15:15:45 <manu1> Guus: Preliminary decision could be made - see who says they will be there based on that.

Guus Schreiber: Preliminary decision could be made - see who says they will be there based on that.

15:15:47 <sandro> we can probably webcam but no fancy vid conf, and probably no room at MIT.

Sandro Hawke: we can probably webcam but no fancy vid conf, and probably no room at MIT.

15:16:12 <manu1> Sandro: Don't know if TPAC has the bandwidth to do video

Sandro Hawke: Don't know if TPAC has the bandwidth to do video

15:16:15 <gavinc> -1 if TPAC does not have video

Gavin Carothers: -1 if TPAC does not have video

15:16:18 <manu1> Guus: It may be voice-only

Guus Schreiber: It may be voice-only

15:16:26 <LeeF> In the past, TPAC has not been able to do video conf

Lee Feigenbaum: In the past, TPAC has not been able to do video conf

15:16:45 <manu1> Gavin: Everyone is welcome to meet in my living room.

Gavin Carothers: Would prefer video.

15:17:02 <manu1> s/Everyone is welcome to meet in my living room/Would prefer video/
15:17:12 <zwu2> Gavin, I am happy to join you in your home office

Zhe Wu: Gavin, I am happy to join you in your home office

15:17:15 <zwu2> :)

Zhe Wu: :)

15:17:29 <manu1> Guus: We need to do a preliminary reservation at TPAC...

Guus Schreiber: We need to do a preliminary reservation at TPAC...

15:17:36 <manu1> Sandro: Want other options on the table?

Sandro Hawke: Want other options on the table?

15:17:44 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

15:17:51 <manu1> Guus: Boston ISWC might work, but don't know how many folks from here would attend.

Guus Schreiber: Boston ISWC might work, but don't know how many folks from here would attend.

15:17:52 <pchampin> I will try to see what is possible in Lyon in terms if video conference

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I will try to see what is possible in Lyon in terms if video conference

15:18:05 <manu1> Sandro: We could do a split meeting - Boston, ISWC and somewhere else with good video conferencing.

Sandro Hawke: We could do a split meeting - Boston, ISWC and somewhere else with good video conferencing.

15:18:32 <manu1> EricP: HP could do it - but they don't play that game anymore.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: HP could do it - but they don't play that game anymore.

15:18:34 <LeeF> Oxford, yes

Lee Feigenbaum: Oxford, yes

15:18:50 <yvesr> we do have proper video conferencing facilities at the BBC, but the rooms are way too small

Yves Raimond: we do have proper video conferencing facilities at the BBC, but the rooms are way too small

15:19:21 <manu1> cygri: We used to have a polycom system... but it broke and we decided not to replace it because it was used very rarely (ed: like all Polycom systems!)

Richard Cyganiak: We used to have a polycom system... but it broke and we decided not to replace it because it was used very rarely (ed: like all Polycom systems!)

15:20:56 <manu1> sandro: Weird to have no semantic web representation at TPAC - this has been dead-quiet since ISWC conflicted with it... a general issue - not taking advantage of a good opportunity. Linked Data group is planning to meet at ISWC?

Sandro Hawke: Weird to have no semantic web representation at TPAC - this has been dead-quiet since ISWC conflicted with it... a general issue - not taking advantage of a good opportunity. Linked Data group is planning to meet at ISWC?

15:21:01 <manu1> EricP: Yes, they are.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Yes, they are.

15:21:14 <manu1> Guus: Provenance at ISWC too?

Guus Schreiber: Provenance at ISWC too?

15:21:21 <manu1> Sandro: Yes, entirely an academic group.

Sandro Hawke: Yes, almost entirely an academic group.

15:21:26 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

15:21:36 <sandro> s/entirely/almost entirely/
15:21:43 <manu1> Guus: Let's setup a poll for the two options.

Guus Schreiber: Let's setup a poll for the two options.

15:22:16 <manu1> EricP: Odds are pretty good that we'll end up meeting at TPAC.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Odds are pretty good that we'll end up meeting at TPAC.

15:22:37 <Zakim> +zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2

15:24:11 <manu1> Guus: I'll setup a poll - we'll decide on July 11th based on the information we have.

Guus Schreiber: I'll setup a poll - we'll decide on July 11th based on the information we have.

15:24:30 <pfps> Go for it!

Peter Patel-Schneider: Go for it!

15:24:31 <manu1> Guus: Two options - TPAC vs. ISWC Cage Match.

Guus Schreiber: Two options - TPAC vs. ISWC Cage Match.

15:24:49 <manu1> ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F.

ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F.

15:24:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-07-04].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-176 - Setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-07-04].

15:25:11 <manu1> Topic: TURTLE Last Call

4. TURTLE Last Call

15:25:28 <manu1> Guus: There was a message from Gavin - there is a new ED

Guus Schreiber: There was a message from Gavin - there is a new ED

15:25:31 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

15:25:34 <Zakim> +LeeF.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF.a

15:25:44 <manu1> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html

15:25:48 <manu1> Guus: Is this ready to go?

Guus Schreiber: Is this ready to go?

15:25:56 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:26:02 <manu1> Gavin: Yes, ready to go - minor editorial issues including parenthesis.

Gavin Carothers: Yes, ready to go - minor editorial issues including parenthesis.

15:26:18 <manu1> EricP: If we want a moment to publish i- s- k- f- ha-

Eric Prud'hommeaux: If we want a moment to publish i- s- k- f- ha-

15:26:38 <manu1> EricP: We should list the changes that we intend to make before publishing.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: We should list the changes that we intend to make before publishing.

15:26:47 <manu1> Guus: In the Agenda, there is a proposal to publish.

Guus Schreiber: In the Agenda, there is a proposal to publish.

15:26:51 <cygri> q+ to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed

15:26:57 <gavinc> 1. Fix remaining undetected broken links 2. Fix one missing set of ()s

Gavin Carothers: 1. Fix remaining undetected broken links 2. Fix one missing set of ()s

15:27:34 <manu1> ack MacTed

ack MacTed

15:27:48 <manu1> MacTed: Small thing - based on Ivan's feedback - a plea for Oxford commas.

Ted Thibodeau: Small thing - based on Ivan's feedback - a plea for Oxford commas.

15:27:58 <pfps> +1, for, Oxford, commas!

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1, for, Oxford, commas!

15:28:03 <sandro> +1 oxford commas.    (eats, shoots, and leaves)

Sandro Hawke: +1 oxford commas. (eats, shoots, and leaves)

15:28:56 <manu1> gavinc: Totally agreed, I'll make the change.

Gavin Carothers: Totally agreed, I'll make the change.

15:29:10 <Guus> ack cygri

Guus Schreiber: ack cygri

15:29:10 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed

15:29:43 <cygri> "Человек-паук"@ru

Richard Cyganiak: "Человек-паук"@ru

15:29:47 <manu1> cygri: To show multi-lingual features, the German rendition of the word is wrong - the letters don't exist in German...

Richard Cyganiak: To show multi-lingual features, the German rendition of the word is wrong - the letters don't exist in German...

15:30:19 <manu1> cygri: Maybe we should use something different like Spiderman in Cyrillic?

Richard Cyganiak: Maybe we should use something different like Spiderman in Cyrillic?

15:30:34 <manu1> Guus: Any more commas?

Guus Schreiber: Any more comments?

15:30:38 <manu1> s/commas/comments/
15:31:26 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html

PROPOSED: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html

15:31:31 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:31:33 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:31:33 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:31:33 <manu1> +1

+1

15:31:34 <LeeF> +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

15:31:35 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

15:31:36 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:31:37 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:31:39 <AlexHall> +1

Alex Hall: +1

15:31:40 <davidwood> AndyS voted +1 via email

David Wood: AndyS voted +1 via email

15:31:41 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:31:46 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

15:31:49 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:31:49 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:32:17 <manu1> RESOLVED: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html

RESOLVED: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html

15:32:35 <gavinc> Now with Russian! http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-intro

Gavin Carothers: Now with Russian! http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-intro

15:32:43 <manu1> Round of applause and woos! for the editors.

Round of applause and woos! for the editors.

15:32:54 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

15:33:13 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32

15:33:18 <cygri> zakim, ??P32 is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P32 is me

15:33:18 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:33:18 <manu1> Guus: The editor's should prepare a version which we can request publication for - last editorial issues, etc.

Guus Schreiber: The editor's should prepare a version which we can request publication for - last editorial issues, etc.

15:33:39 <manu1> Gavin: I'll make those changes now.

Gavin Carothers: I'll make those changes now.

15:34:22 <manu1> Gavin: Language but no change to the grammar on @prefix. Admissing parenthesis with one of the string productions.

Gavin Carothers: Language but no change to the grammar on @prefix. Admissing parenthesis with one of the string productions.

15:34:37 <ericP> "A"@base and "A"@prefix are UDF

Eric Prud'hommeaux: "A"@base and "A"@prefix undefined behavior

15:34:39 <manu1> EricP: Yes, one of the string productions has an issue with an OR...

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Yes, one of the string productions has an issue with an OR...

15:34:46 <manu1> Gavin: We need some more explanatory text.

Gavin Carothers: We need some more explanatory text.

15:34:58 <manu1> EricP: IRI ref term constructor is wonky, will need to fix...

Eric Prud'hommeaux: IRI ref term constructor is wonky, will need to fix...

15:35:02 <manu1> Gavin: I think I fixed that.

Gavin Carothers: I think I fixed that.

15:35:05 <ericP> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals

15:35:15 <manu1> EricP: TURTLE literals ...

Eric Prud'hommeaux: TURTLE literals ...

15:35:30 <manu1> Gavin: Slightly larger change - not happy with the language you wrote?

Gavin Carothers: Slightly larger change - not happy with the language you wrote?

15:35:39 <manu1> EricP: It mis-leads a little bit, it may be fine.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: It mis-leads a little bit, it may be fine.

15:36:04 <manu1> Gavin: It goes through how Literals work w/ quotation marks... and then states that you can replace it with single quotes, double quotes, triple quotes.

Gavin Carothers: It goes through how Literals work w/ quotation marks... and then states that you can replace it with single quotes, double quotes, triple quotes.

15:36:14 <manu1> EricP: Well, I have some other text that may be more clear.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Well, I have some other text that may be more clear.

15:36:19 <manu1> Gavin: That sounds fine...

Gavin Carothers: That sounds fine...

15:37:02 <ericP> s/are UDF/undefined behavior/
15:37:03 <manu1> Guus: David will write a blog item on this... we need to notify relevant mailing lists on this publication.

Guus Schreiber: David will write a blog item on this... we need to notify relevant mailing lists on this publication.

15:37:22 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

15:37:38 <gavinc> +q to ask about LC comment window

Gavin Carothers: +q to ask about LC comment window

15:37:40 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

15:37:46 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas

15:37:51 <manu1> David: MInutes need to be published and final version needs to be published.

David Wood: MInutes need to be published and final version needs to be published.

15:37:56 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

15:37:57 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:38:04 <gavinc> I made up The Last Call period ends 15 September 2012

Gavin Carothers: I made up The Last Call period ends 15 September 2012

15:38:09 <Zakim> +zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2

15:38:11 <manu1> Guus: I propose we have the regular period of 6 weeks for the Last Call period.

Guus Schreiber: I propose we have the regular period of 6 weeks for the Last Call period.

15:38:25 <manu1> Guus: That's 2.5 months...

Guus Schreiber: That's 2.5 months...

15:38:43 <manu1> EricP: Are we in a rush?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Are we in a rush?

15:39:34 <manu1> Discussion about "maximizing the quality of incoming comments".

Discussion about "maximizing the quality of incoming comments".

15:40:01 <manu1> Guus: 15th of september, any objections from the WG?

Guus Schreiber: 15th of september, any objections from the WG?

15:40:05 <MacTed> +1 Sept 15

Ted Thibodeau: +1 Sept 15

15:40:16 <manu1> +1 for September 15th, 2012.

+1 for September 15th, 2012.

15:40:23 <gavinc> +1 to 2012

Gavin Carothers: +1 to 2012

15:41:50 <manu1> Guus: Every comment during LC should raise an issue in the issue tracker - editorial issues can be responded to quickly, anything that is non-editorial should be discussed by the group before the response.

Guus Schreiber: Every comment during LC should raise an issue in the issue tracker - editorial issues can be responded to quickly, anything that is non-editorial should be discussed by the group before the response.

15:43:18 <manu1> manu: May be easier to create a new TURTLE LC product in the issue tracker.

Manu Sporny: May be easier to create a new TURTLE LC product in the issue tracker.

15:43:24 <manu1> Guus: Let's keep it simple for now.

Guus Schreiber: Let's keep it simple for now.

15:43:57 <manu1> Guus: One feature at-risk in the document - David would it be appropriate to point out a particular feature at risk?

Guus Schreiber: One feature at-risk in the document - David would it be appropriate to point out a particular feature at risk?

15:44:12 <manu1> David: Who should we send this to? What other communities would be interested in this document.

David Wood: Who should we send this to? What other communities would be interested in this document.

15:44:32 <manu1> Sandro: We need to mention any other WG in our charter - chairs should negotiate w/ external groups

Sandro Hawke: We need to mention any other WG in our charter - chairs should negotiate w/ external groups

15:44:48 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/01/rdf-wg-charter#coordination

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/01/rdf-wg-charter#coordination

15:45:26 <manu1> Sandro:  SPARQL, I18N, RDFa WG, Web Apps WG, XML Query WG

Sandro Hawke: SPARQL, I18N, RDFa WG, Web Apps WG, XML Query WG

15:45:42 <manu1> Guus: Linked Data and Provenance WGs should also do a review.

Guus Schreiber: Linked Data and Provenance WGs should also do a review.

15:46:21 <manu1> Guus: IETF IRI WG may also be interested.

Guus Schreiber: IETF IRI WG may also be interested.

15:46:56 <manu1> Guus: I think that's it - we'll have to come back if one of these groups can't do their review.

Guus Schreiber: I think that's it - we'll have to come back if one of these groups can't do their review.

15:47:30 <manu1> Sandro: I think EricP can handle publication steps...

Sandro Hawke: I think EricP can handle publication steps...

15:47:51 <manu1> Guus: That's it for TURTLE LC

Guus Schreiber: That's it for TURTLE LC

15:48:10 <ericP> scribenick: ericP

(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)

15:48:11 <manu1> Topic: JSON-LD First Public Working Draft

5. JSON-LD First Public Working Draft

15:48:31 <ericP> Guus: there have been WG comments on the proposed draft

Guus Schreiber: there have been WG comments on the proposed draft

15:48:34 <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html

Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html

15:49:00 <ericP> manu: since the last meeting, we've had comments from pierre antoine, ericP, andyS

Manu Sporny: since the last meeting, we've had comments from pierre antoine, ericP, andyS

15:49:16 <ericP> ... we've applied as many as possible without risking large discussion

... we've applied as many as possible without risking large discussion

15:49:34 <ericP> ... the commentors have recieved replies for their comments

... the commentors have recieved replies for their comments

15:49:43 <gavinc> "JSON-LD has no equivalent for the Turtle @base declaration. Instead, authors may use a prefix definition to resolve relative IRIs:" That is NOT true. ... note to self, review JSON-LD

Gavin Carothers: "JSON-LD has no equivalent for the Turtle @base declaration. Instead, authors may use a prefix definition to resolve relative IRIs:" That is NOT true. ... note to self, review JSON-LD

15:49:49 <ericP> ... we got more this week, but put them off for post-FPWD

... we got more this week, but put them off for post-FPWD

15:50:01 <ericP> ... CG is a last stage

... CG is a last stage

15:50:24 <ericP> ... the W3C tool for gathering IPR commitments was broken untill 8am

... the W3C tool for gathering IPR commitments was broken untill 8am

15:50:36 <ericP> ... we probably won't have the commitments for another week

... we probably won't have the commitments for another week

15:51:16 <ericP> ... the CG work is frozen, as is the (proposed) FPWD

... the CG work is frozen, as is the (proposed) FPWD

15:51:51 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

15:51:51 <ericP> ... we could publish both by 12 July if we get the anticipated IPR commitments

... we could publish both by 12 July if we get the anticipated IPR commitments

15:51:55 <gavinc> ack me

Gavin Carothers: ack me

15:51:55 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to ask about LC comment window

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to ask about LC comment window

15:51:58 <gkellogg> q+

Gregg Kellogg: q+

15:51:59 <manu1> Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date.

Manu Sporny: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date.

15:52:31 <ericP> gkellogg: all core contributors have signed commitments

Gregg Kellogg: all core contributors have signed commitments

15:52:35 <gkellogg> http://www.w3.org/community/json-ld/spec/23/commitments

Gregg Kellogg: http://www.w3.org/community/json-ld/spec/23/commitments

15:52:53 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

15:53:08 <ericP> manu: there's a diff between announcing a commitment in the mailing list and the w3c commitment machine

Manu Sporny: there's a diff between announcing a commitment in the mailing list and the w3c commitment machine

15:53:34 <Zakim> +zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2

15:53:48 <zwu2> sorry my phone keeps cutting me off once every 15 minutes

Zhe Wu: sorry my phone keeps cutting me off once every 15 minutes

15:55:22 <Zakim> -[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IBM]

15:56:10 <Souri> (if I may suggest) minor editorial change => replace "manu" with "john" AND "sporny" with "dow" and replace any other reference to a real person name with a hypothetical one

Souripriya Das: (if I may suggest) minor editorial change => replace "manu" with "john" AND "sporny" with "dow" and replace any other reference to a real person name with a hypothetical one

15:57:10 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html

PROPOSED: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html

15:57:13 <ericP> +1

+1

15:57:14 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:57:18 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

15:57:21 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:57:23 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:57:29 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:57:35 <gavinc> +0.9

Gavin Carothers: +0.9

15:57:50 <AlexHall> +1

Alex Hall: +1

15:57:52 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

15:57:54 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:57:58 <sandro> +0  (just haven't reviewed it)

Sandro Hawke: +0 (just haven't reviewed it)

15:58:13 <manu1> RESOLVED: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html

RESOLVED: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html

15:58:50 <ericP> Guus: thanks to the community group for bringing this to the RDF-WG and making it available as a FPWD

Guus Schreiber: thanks to the community group for bringing this to the RDF-WG and making it available as a FPWD

15:58:55 <Souri> q+

Souripriya Das: q+

15:59:00 <gkellogg> q-

Gregg Kellogg: q-

15:59:25 <ericP> manu: after i get IPR commitments, i'll send them to RDF-WG and document any issues i see

Manu Sporny: after i get IPR commitments, i'll send them to RDF-WG and document any issues i see

15:59:59 <ericP> ... then i'll sheperd them through pubrules

... then i'll sheperd them through pubrules

16:00:33 <ericP> Souri: as with RDB2RDF, should you avoid names of real people in specs?

Souripriya Das: as with RDB2RDF, should you avoid names of real people in specs?

16:00:47 <gavinc> -0 to changing the Turtle parsing example

Gavin Carothers: -0 to changing the Turtle parsing example

16:01:14 <ericP> sandro: it's not written, but it tends not to translate across cultures

Sandro Hawke: it's not written, but it tends not to translate across cultures

16:02:42 <Souri> "John Dow"

Souripriya Das: "John Dow"

16:02:57 <sandro> only reference I can find is http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Examples which doesn't say anything about this.

Sandro Hawke: only reference I can find is http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Examples which doesn't say anything about this.

16:03:00 <ericP> manu: almost any name will be somebody's name

Manu Sporny: almost any name will be somebody's name

16:03:18 <ericP> ... also is less personal

... also is less personal

16:05:09 <ericP> ADJOURNED

ADJOURNED

16:05:12 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

16:05:12 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

16:05:14 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro

16:05:16 <Zakim> -manu1

Zakim IRC Bot: -manu1

16:05:17 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

16:05:21 <Zakim> -gkellogg

Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg

16:05:29 <Zakim> -AlexHall

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall

16:05:32 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

16:05:39 <Zakim> -davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood

16:05:45 <Zakim> -yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr

16:05:47 <Zakim> -gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc

16:05:58 <Zakim> -pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin

16:06:02 <MacTed> remember, kids -- always ask for Spider-Man™ brand RDF by name!

Ted Thibodeau: remember, kids -- always ask for Spider-Man™ brand RDF by name!

16:06:04 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting

Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting

16:06:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:06:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], AlexHall, MacTed, AZ, sandro, Guus, yvesr, gkellogg, cygri, davidwood, manu1, gavinc, zwu2, ericP, Souri, LeeF,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], AlexHall, MacTed, AZ, sandro, Guus, yvesr, gkellogg, cygri, davidwood, manu1, gavinc, zwu2, ericP, Souri, LeeF,

16:06:08 <Zakim> ... pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: ... pchampin

16:06:10 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

16:06:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:06:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

16:06:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:06:13 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

16:06:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [1]

ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [1]

16:06:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc#T15-24-49

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc#T15-24-49

16:10:49 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc

16:10:51 <manu1> rrsagent, make logs public

Manu Sporny: rrsagent, make logs public

16:10:58 <manu1> rrsagent, bye

Manu Sporny: rrsagent, bye

16:10:58 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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