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15:13:01 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:13:01 <trackbot> Date: 25 January 2012
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16:00:32 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?
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16:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see gavinc, cgreer, AndyS1, davidwood
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16:00:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, ivan_, FabGandon, AndyS1, mdmdm, AndyS, danbri, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, LeeF, ivan, mischat, cygri, gavinc_, manu, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, yvesr, NickH,
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16:00:36 <Zakim> ... sandro, ericP
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16:00:42 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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16:01:43 <FabGandon> zakim, [Sophia] is FabGandon
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16:03:11 <ivan_> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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16:05:09 <FabGandon> Scribe: Fabien Gandon
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16:05:43 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?
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16:05:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see gavinc, cgreer, AndyS1, davidwood, MacTed (muted), FabGandon, Eric, Ivan, Scott_Bauer
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16:05:47 <zwu2> zakim, code?
16:05:47 <Zakim> ... sandro, ericP
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16:05:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
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16:05:55 <danbri> hi folks, regrets from me ... laptop too overwhelmed to run Skype right now (giant mysql job)
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16:06:12 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 18 Jan telecon:
David Wood: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 18 Jan telecon: ←
16:06:12 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-01-18
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16:06:33 <Zakim> +zwu2
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16:06:36 <davidwood> Action item review:
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16:06:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - item
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16:06:36 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
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16:06:36 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
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16:06:37 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
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16:07:31 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaaa
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16:07:40 <AlexHall> zakim, aaaa is me
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16:07:52 <Zakim> +Souri
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16:11:55 <davidwood> Topic: Reviewers for XSD 1.1?
16:12:12 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 1: Structures
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 1: Structures ←
16:12:12 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 2: Datatypes
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 2: Datatypes ←
16:12:27 <FabGandon> they moved to proposed Rec and affect RDF
they moved to proposed Rec and affect RDF ←
16:12:46 <FabGandon> davidwood ... we need reviewers
davidwood ... we need reviewers ←
16:13:06 <FabGandon> Iven: the first part does not impact us
Ivan Herman: the first part does not impact us ←
16:13:15 <FabGandon> s/Iven/Ivan
16:13:54 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/ ←
16:14:04 <ericP> [[
Eric Prud'hommeaux: [[ ←
16:14:05 <ericP> This second edition is not a new version, it merely incorporates the changes dictated by the corrections to errors found in the first edition as agreed by the XML Schema Working Group, as a convenience to readers. A separate list of all such corrections is available at http://www.w3.org/2001/05/xmlschema-errata.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: This second edition is not a new version, it merely incorporates the changes dictated by the corrections to errors found in the first edition as agreed by the XML Schema Working Group, as a convenience to readers. A separate list of all such corrections is available at http://www.w3.org/2001/05/xmlschema-errata. ←
16:14:11 <ericP> ]]
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ]] ←
16:14:16 <FabGandon> davidwood: eg. of problems links between XMLLiteral and RDF Literals
David Wood: eg. of problems links between XMLLiteral and RDF Literals ←
16:14:22 <AndyS1> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/ ←
16:15:09 <FabGandon> davidwood: we need to lood at XSD Strings
David Wood: we need to look at XSD Strings ←
16:15:24 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/#changes changes from schema 1.0 to 1.1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/#changes changes from schema 1.0 to 1.1 ←
16:15:24 <FabGandon> s/lood/look
16:15:29 <AndyS1> and XSD decimal canonical form (FYI)
Andy Seaborne: and XSD decimal canonical form (FYI) ←
16:16:28 <ivan_> The changes URI is http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes
Ivan Herman: The changes URI is http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes ←
16:16:32 <FabGandon> ... we need someone to go through changes
... we need someone to go through changes ←
16:16:43 <FabGandon> ericP: I can do it
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can do it ←
16:17:23 <FabGandon> AlexHall: volonteer
16:17:43 <ivan_> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes changes
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes changes ←
16:17:59 <ivan_> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:18:17 <FabGandon> proposed : "ACTION: ericP and AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD)"
proposed : "ACTION: ericP and AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD)" ←
16:18:17 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes ←
16:19:18 <gavinc_> AndyS1, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#f-decimalCanmap !
Gavin Carothers: AndyS1, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#f-decimalCanmap ! ←
16:19:25 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes
ACTION: ericP to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes ←
16:19:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-135 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-02-01]. ←
16:19:35 <ericP> ACTION: AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes
ACTION: AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes ←
16:19:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-136 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Alex Hall - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-136 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Alex Hall - due 2012-02-01]. ←
16:19:36 <FabGandon> Ivan: the changes in the datatypes may affect us too
Ivan Herman: the changes in the datatypes may affect us too ←
16:19:59 <davidwood> I see "Conforming implementations may now support ·primitive· datatypes and facets in addition to those defined here."
David Wood: I see "Conforming implementations may now support ·primitive· datatypes and facets in addition to those defined here." ←
16:20:49 <FabGandon> Ivan: there might be changes for instance in data comparison
Ivan Herman: there might be changes for instance in data comparison ←
16:21:10 <davidwood> " this allows float and double to treat positive and negative zero as distinct values, but nevertheless to treat them as equal for purposes of bounds checking" (!) :)
David Wood: " this allows float and double to treat positive and negative zero as distinct values, but nevertheless to treat them as equal for purposes of bounds checking" (!) :) ←
16:21:25 <davidwood> ^^ These things are important to end users, after all
David Wood: ^^ These things are important to end users, after all ←
16:21:41 <FabGandon> ericP: is there anyway for the structure to have an impact our data model ?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: is there anyway for the structure to have an impact our data model ? ←
16:22:12 <FabGandon> Ivan: my opinion is that we are not affected by structure
Ivan Herman: my opinion is that we are not affected by structure ←
16:23:06 <FabGandon> ... but the RDF semantics makes a selection of the datatype and this may have to be reviewed.
... but the RDF semantics makes a selection of the datatype and this may have to be reviewed. ←
16:23:35 <davidwood> Topic: RDF-ISSUE-82 (TriG repeated graph iris)
16:24:28 <AndyS1> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:24:35 <ivan_> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:24:36 <FabGandon> gavinc_: consensus on the second option changing "merge" to "union", blank nodes with the same plabel are considered the same
Gavin Carothers: consensus on the second option changing "merge" to "union", blank nodes with the same plabel are considered the same ←
16:25:58 <FabGandon> ... no semantics for blank nodes between graphs with different labels
... no semantics for blank nodes between graphs with different labels ←
16:26:32 <FabGandon> ... inference graphs are kept different and are an example where same labels may mean same nodes
... inference graphs are kept different and are an example where same labels may mean same nodes ←
16:27:25 <FabGandon> ... no equivalent in RDF/XML or Turtle right now.
... no equivalent in RDF/XML or Turtle right now. ←
16:27:41 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
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16:28:09 <AndyS1> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
16:28:33 <AndyS1> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:28:35 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:28:38 <cgreer> +1
Charles Greer: +1 ←
16:28:41 <ivan_> 1
Ivan Herman: 1 ←
16:28:43 <zwu2> +1
16:28:44 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
16:28:45 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:28:47 <AlexHall> +1
16:28:47 <gavinc_> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:28:48 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:28:54 <gavinc_> "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be
Gavin Carothers: "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be ←
16:28:56 <gavinc_> unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph
Gavin Carothers: unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph ←
16:28:57 <gavinc_> statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank
Gavin Carothers: statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank ←
16:28:59 <gavinc_> node."
Gavin Carothers: node." ←
16:29:03 <FabGandon> davidwood: any objection to the wording (strawpoll)
David Wood: any objection to the wording (strawpoll) ←
16:29:18 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:29:31 <FabGandon> ... we have a consensus
... we have a consensus ←
16:30:08 <gavinc_> RESOLVE to close ISSUE-82 with the wording: "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank node."
Gavin Carothers: RESOLVE to close ISSUE-82 with the wording: "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank node." ←
16:31:45 <davidwood> Topic: Named Graphs
16:31:48 <ericP> davidwood: +☮
David Wood: +☮ [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
16:32:27 <gavinc_> also on the wiki http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Example_of_Endorsement_Use_Case
Gavin Carothers: also on the wiki http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Example_of_Endorsement_Use_Case ←
16:32:38 <FabGandon> davidwood: starting with the endorsement use case
David Wood: starting with the endorsement use case ←
16:33:38 <FabGandon> ... does anyone push this use case ?
... does anyone push this use case ? ←
16:34:03 <FabGandon> MacTed: this use case could become very important
Ted Thibodeau: this use case could become very important ←
16:34:45 <LeeF> We don't ourselves do this sort of endorsement today, nor do our customers.
Lee Feigenbaum: We don't ourselves do this sort of endorsement today, nor do our customers. ←
16:34:56 <gavinc_> It is a current use case for Lex Machina, Inc :D
Gavin Carothers: It is a current use case for Lex Machina, Inc :D ←
16:35:18 <davidwood> OK, good
David Wood: OK, good ←
16:35:21 <FabGandon> ... there is a difference between me asserting and me endorsing
... there is a difference between me asserting and me endorsing ←
16:36:12 <Zakim> +??P39
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16:36:27 <AZ> zakim, ??P39 is me
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16:36:27 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
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16:36:40 <Zakim> -AZ
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16:38:23 <Zakim> +AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ ←
16:41:14 <gavinc_> The hash system in my example DOES NOT require trusting much at all
Gavin Carothers: The hash system in my example DOES NOT require trusting much at all ←
16:41:48 <gavinc_> +q
Gavin Carothers: +q ←
16:42:15 <FabGandon> AndyS: controling the domain name of a graph name does ensure the trust i.e. there is a whole chain e.g. DNS
Andy Seaborne: controling the domain name of a graph name does ensure the trust i.e. there is a whole chain e.g. DNS ←
16:42:47 <ericP> i thought the point of this was to say "it's within..."
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i thought the point of this was to say "it's within..." ←
16:43:18 <FabGandon> ... the hash gives you stability / repeatability
... the hash gives you stability / repeatability ←
16:43:55 <FabGandon> gavinc_: endorsing without hashing may not be very useful
Gavin Carothers: endorsing without hashing may not be very useful ←
16:44:32 <FabGandon> ericP: within your store you can rely on your architecture
Eric Prud'hommeaux: within your store you can rely on your architecture ←
16:45:27 <cgreer> q+
Charles Greer: q+ ←
16:45:32 <gavinc_> -q
Gavin Carothers: -q ←
16:46:32 <FabGandon> AndyS: a lot of this can be done working with documents
Andy Seaborne: a lot of this can be done working with documents ←
16:46:51 <davidwood> ack cgreer
David Wood: ack cgreer ←
16:47:38 <FabGandon> cgreer: you don't want to endorse a graph that is merged with an other one.
Charles Greer: you don't want to endorse a graph that is merged with an other one. ←
16:48:31 <FabGandon> gavinc_: my example works because there is an intermediary doc
Gavin Carothers: my example works because there is an intermediary doc ←
16:49:12 <FabGandon> ericP: can the provenance wg help here ?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can the provenance wg help here ? ←
16:49:46 <FabGandon> AndyS: no they are at the URI level
Andy Seaborne: no they are at the URI level ←
16:54:10 <FabGandon> davidwood: is the problem linked to the question of whether we name graphs with URI or not?
David Wood: is the problem linked to the question of whether we name graphs with URI or not? ←
16:55:40 <FabGandon> ivan: the general mechanism is we have a URI and we have a predicate
Ivan Herman: the general mechanism is we have a URI and we have a predicate ←
16:55:59 <Guus> q+ to ask which mechanism
Guus Schreiber: q+ to ask which mechanism ←
16:56:27 <Guus> +1 with Andy
Guus Schreiber: +1 with Andy ←
16:57:14 <Guus> quints are out of scope, I would suggest
Guus Schreiber: quints are out of scope, I would suggest ←
16:57:20 <davidwood> ack Guus
David Wood: ack Guus ←
16:57:20 <Zakim> Guus, you wanted to ask which mechanism
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, you wanted to ask which mechanism ←
16:58:26 <ericP> +1 to octs
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to octs ←
16:58:55 <davidwood> -1 to octs :)
David Wood: -1 to octs :) ←
16:59:08 <FabGandon> gavinc_: we can adapt the syntax without making them quints
Gavin Carothers: we can adapt the syntax without making them quints ←
16:59:42 <AndyS1> { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>. <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer. } <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... }
Andy Seaborne: { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>. <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer. } <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... } ←
17:00:16 <ivan_> +1 to David
Ivan Herman: +1 to David ←
17:00:32 <AndyS1> { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>. <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer. } <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... }
Andy Seaborne: { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>. <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer. } <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... } ←
17:01:42 <AndyS1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jan/0021.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jan/0021.html ←
17:02:09 <AndyS1> (sandro's message -- includes multiple designs)
Andy Seaborne: (sandro's message -- includes multiple designs) ←
17:04:02 <Guus> q+
Guus Schreiber: q+ ←
17:04:37 <cgreer> RDF doesn't disallow inconsistent graphs (+1 Guus)
Charles Greer: RDF doesn't disallow inconsistent graphs (+1 Guus) ←
17:04:47 <FabGandon> ivan: one problem was when in OWL the types of merged containers are disjoint
Ivan Herman: one problem was when in OWL the types of merged containers are disjoint ←
17:04:56 <davidwood> ack Guus
David Wood: ack Guus ←
17:05:15 <FabGandon> Guus: I'm interested in the easy syntax
Guus Schreiber: I'm interested in the easy syntax ←
17:06:29 <FabGandon> ... examples of syntax would help the discussion
... examples of syntax would help the discussion ←
17:07:37 <FabGandon> proposing : ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs
proposing : ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs ←
17:08:33 <FabGandon> Ivan: we could publish a version of Turtle tomorrow
Ivan Herman: we could publish a version of Turtle tomorrow ←
17:09:09 <FabGandon> ... without changing it too much
... without changing it too much ←
17:09:47 <FabGandon> ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs
ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs ←
17:09:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-137 - Write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-02-01]. ←
17:10:34 <Guus> q+
Guus Schreiber: q+ ←
17:10:59 <davidwood> ack Guus
David Wood: ack Guus ←
17:10:59 <FabGandon> ivan: then we have to decide whether or not we modify the RDF semantics
Ivan Herman: then we have to decide whether or not we modify the RDF semantics ←
17:12:14 <FabGandon> Guus: nobody has yet come up with a clear proposal to update the semantics
Guus Schreiber: nobody has yet come up with a clear proposal to update the semantics ←
17:14:57 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
17:15:19 <FabGandon> ivan: we need at least to write down in plain english the definitions of the core primitives
Ivan Herman: we need at least to write down in plain english the definitions of the core primitives ←
17:15:48 <MacTed> +1 Ivan's summary, "Named Graph" is inherently ambiguous, and must be defined multiply, for different contexts
Ted Thibodeau: +1 Ivan's summary, "Named Graph" is inherently ambiguous, and must be defined multiply, for different contexts ←
17:17:43 <LeeF> I think we may be kidding ourselves if we think we're gong to get high-interoperability with defining this stuff multiple ways
Lee Feigenbaum: I think we may be kidding ourselves if we think we're gong to get high-interoperability with defining this stuff multiple ways ←
17:18:22 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
17:18:23 <Zakim> -cgreer
Zakim IRC Bot: -cgreer ←
17:18:29 <Zakim> -AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall ←
17:18:33 <Zakim> -Scott_Bauer
Zakim IRC Bot: -Scott_Bauer ←
17:18:39 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
17:18:43 <davidwood> MacTed: Define named graphs both by typing URIs and also by using predicates.
Ted Thibodeau: Define named graphs both by typing URIs and also by using predicates. [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
17:18:44 <FabGandon> rrsagent, create minutes
rrsagent, create minutes ←
17:18:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon ←
17:19:24 <FabGandon> rrsagent, please make logs world-visible
rrsagent, please make logs world-visible ←
17:19:42 <FabGandon> rrsagent, please publish the minutes
rrsagent, please publish the minutes ←
17:19:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon ←
17:20:35 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
17:22:05 <FabGandon> what should I do with the URL http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html to get the wiki version to be cleaned ?
what should I do with the URL http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html to get the wiki version to be cleaned ? ←
17:22:24 <AndyS1> I'm not here
Andy Seaborne: I'm not here ←
17:23:44 <Zakim> -Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus ←
17:25:24 <AndyS1> FabGandon - instructions for minutes - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0406.html
Andy Seaborne: FabGandon - instructions for minutes - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0406.html ←
17:25:44 <AndyS1> (thx to LeeF)
Andy Seaborne: (thx to LeeF) ←
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