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14:23:49 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:23:49 <trackbot> Date: 02 November 2011
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14:54:55 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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14:56:39 <gavinc> Good morning
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15:01:43 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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15:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see guus, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, Ivan, [Garlik], davidwood, +1.707.318.aaaa, ??P7
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15:01:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see mischat_, AndyS, swh, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, MacTed, danbri, mischat, mox601, AndyS1, ivan, davidwood, manu1, manu, NickH, ericP, trackbot, sandro
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15:01:59 <Scott_Bauer> Scribe: Scott_Bauer
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15:02:34 <Zakim> [Garlik] has swh, mischat
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15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see PatH, mischat, AndyS, swh, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, MacTed, danbri, mox601, AndyS1, ivan, davidwood, manu1, manu, NickH, ericP, trackbot, sandro
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15:03:02 <Zakim> +PatH
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15:04:01 <Zakim> +AlexHall
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15:04:18 <Scott_Bauer> scribenick: Scott_Bauer
15:04:27 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Admin
15:04:38 <PatH> zakim, mute me
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15:05:25 <Scott_Bauer> PROPOSED: accept last weeks minutes
PROPOSED: accept last weeks minutes ←
15:05:54 <Guus> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-19
Guus Schreiber: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-19 ←
15:06:02 <Scott_Bauer> guus: should be 19 rather than 5
Guus Schreiber: should be 19 rather than 5 ←
15:06:10 <Scott_Bauer> … of October
… of October ←
15:06:32 <PatH> mhausenblas owl:sameAs cygri?
Patrick Hayes: mhausenblas owl:sameAs cygri? ←
15:06:35 <davidwood> (fixed link to old minutes in agenda)
David Wood: (fixed link to old minutes in agenda) ←
15:06:40 <Scott_Bauer> RESOLVED: minutes are accepted
RESOLVED: minutes are accepted ←
15:06:57 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Action Items
15:07:24 <Zakim> +Souri
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15:07:31 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Action-3 to be closed
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-3 to be closed ←
15:07:43 <Zakim> +ericP
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15:07:56 <Zakim> +zwu2
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15:08:09 <PatH> zakim, unmute me
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15:08:20 <gavinc> Looks like Sandro and Richard have a lot to do ;)
Gavin Carothers: Looks like Sandro and Richard have a lot to do ;) ←
15:08:22 <Scott_Bauer> guus: quite a number of open items
Guus Schreiber: quite a number of open items ←
15:09:06 <Scott_Bauer> guus: need to discuss the primer with Fabien
Guus Schreiber: need to discuss the primer with Fabien ←
15:10:05 <Scott_Bauer> guus: will continue all for Richard, Sandro
Guus Schreiber: will continue all for Richard, Sandro ←
15:11:17 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: issue three was an attempt to close issues at the end of the face to face.
Sandro Hawke: issue three was an attempt to close issues at the end of the face to face. ←
15:11:34 <Scott_Bauer> … need to find student to go through old comments
… need to find student to go through old comments ←
15:11:51 <Scott_Bauer> … suggest we reopen issue 3
15:12:13 <cygri> ISSUE-3?
15:12:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata) -- open
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15:12:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/3
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15:13:03 <Scott_Bauer> guus: if you could edit issue 3
Guus Schreiber: if you could edit ISSUE-3 ←
15:13:18 <PatH> zakim, mute me
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15:13:49 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/111 updated to be more clear.
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/111 updated to be more clear. ←
15:14:00 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Telecon next week
15:14:01 <Zakim> -ericP
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15:14:18 <Zakim> +ericP
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15:14:38 <Scott_Bauer> guus: time change noted for next week -- back to the same time.
Guus Schreiber: time change noted for next week -- back to the same time. ←
15:14:56 <cygri> ISSUE-71?
15:14:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-71 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-71 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- pending review ←
15:14:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/71
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15:15:02 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Issue 71
15:15:31 <Scott_Bauer> guus: amendment proposal from Jerermy Carrroll
Guus Schreiber: amendment proposal from Jerermy Carrroll ←
15:15:51 <PatH> zakim, unmute me
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15:16:11 <Scott_Bauer> … Richard is the amendment ok for you?
… Richard is the amendment ok for you? ←
15:16:15 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Oct/0385.html
Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Oct/0385.html ←
15:16:53 <Scott_Bauer> … Jeremy is an expert in the language labels.
… Jeremy is an expert in the language labels. ←
15:17:00 <AndyS> +1 to proposal
Andy Seaborne: +1 to proposal ←
15:17:03 <PatH> +q
Patrick Hayes: +q ←
15:17:09 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: this looks ok, it's just a clarification.
Richard Cyganiak: this looks ok, it's just a clarification. ←
15:17:47 <swh> I find the wording a bit strange
Steve Harris: I find the wording a bit strange ←
15:17:56 <swh> +1 to PatH
Steve Harris: +1 to PatH ←
15:18:00 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: I have no objections to the modification but I do to the other.
Patrick Hayes: I have no objections to the modification but I do to the other. ←
15:18:22 <AlexHall> i guess that's why RIF uses "symbol space" instead of "datatype"
Alex Hall: i guess that's why RIF uses "symbol space" instead of "datatype" ←
15:19:03 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: Two separate concepts that deal with datatype IRIS. Typed datatype iri and a lexicalform
Richard Cyganiak: Two separate concepts that deal with datatype IRIS. Typed datatype iri and a lexicalform ←
15:19:31 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: Data type IRI used as an IRI?
Patrick Hayes: Data type IRI used as an IRI? ←
15:19:34 <Zakim> -ericP
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15:19:41 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: it's just an IRI
Richard Cyganiak: it's just an IRI ←
15:19:45 <Zakim> +ericP
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15:19:55 <Scott_Bauer> … nothing that requires it to be a datatype.
… nothing that requires it to be a datatype. ←
15:20:07 <Scott_Bauer> … not syntactically invalid
… not syntactically invalid ←
15:20:31 <Scott_Bauer> … the intention is that this is IRI is exceptional
… the intention is that this is IRI is exceptional ←
15:20:40 <AlexHall> q+
15:20:59 <Scott_Bauer> … used in a datatype position but just an IRI
… used in a datatype position but just an IRI ←
15:21:28 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: That seems to be wrong to put it in that position
Patrick Hayes: That seems to be wrong to put it in that position ←
15:21:35 <gavinc> Zakim, mute me
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15:22:07 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: I don't think we can really improve on the design
Richard Cyganiak: I don't think we can really improve on the design ←
15:22:25 <Scott_Bauer> … I don't' think we want to revisit the design
… I don't' think we want to revisit the design ←
15:22:35 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: I agree
Patrick Hayes: I agree ←
15:24:02 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: RDF concepts, section 5 on datatypes denoted by one or more uri references. There is nothing that requires them to be connected
Richard Cyganiak: RDF concepts, section 5 on datatypes denoted by one or more uri references. There is nothing that requires them to be connected ←
15:24:25 <swh> Zakim, who is speaking?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:24:35 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (9%), PatH (70%)
Zakim IRC Bot: swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (9%), PatH (70%) ←
15:24:58 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: I find this design unacceptable
Patrick Hayes: I find this design unacceptable ←
15:25:41 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: This is called a datatype thats not a datatype.
Patrick Hayes: This is called a datatype thats not a datatype. ←
15:25:47 <AndyS> q+ to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish)
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish) ←
15:25:53 <Scott_Bauer> … let's take it off line
… let's take it off line ←
15:26:19 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:26:34 <PatH> zakim, mute me
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15:26:34 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted
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15:26:36 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS: Is that going to be the URI?
Andy Seaborne: Is that going to be the URI? ←
15:27:00 <Zakim> -ericP
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15:27:03 <PatH> but that iri will not actually occur in the literal...
Patrick Hayes: but that iri will not actually occur in the literal... ←
15:27:04 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: There was no discussion of the specific URI
Richard Cyganiak: There was no discussion of the specific URI ←
15:27:35 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: Should it be called something different?
Richard Cyganiak: Should it be called something different? ←
15:27:45 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:27:45 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish) ←
15:27:47 <Zakim> +ericP
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15:27:48 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
15:28:00 <PatH> no objections to the label..
Patrick Hayes: no objections to the label.. ←
15:28:02 <Scott_Bauer> guus: I suggest we keep the label. Is that ok Andy?
Guus Schreiber: I suggest we keep the label. Is that ok Andy? ←
15:28:19 <ericP> q-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←
15:28:34 <PatH> q-
Patrick Hayes: q- ←
15:29:29 <Scott_Bauer> AlexHall: Datatype IRI that's not and IRI reminds me of how REST defines the simple space. Some of these are also datatypes.
Alex Hall: Datatype IRI that's not and IRI reminds me of how RIF defines the symbol space. Some of these are also datatypes. ←
15:29:50 <AlexHall> s/REST/RIF/
15:30:02 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: issue 77
15:30:10 <AlexHall> s/simple/symbol/
15:30:16 <cygri> ISSUE-77?
15:30:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-77 -- Should we mark rdf:Seq as archaic (cf ISSUE-24) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-77 -- Should we mark rdf:Seq as archaic (cf ISSUE-24) -- open ←
15:30:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/77
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/77 ←
15:30:33 <Scott_Bauer> guus: RDF seq and lists discussion
Guus Schreiber: RDF seq and lists discussion ←
15:31:19 <swh> I don't think there's much consensus
Steve Harris: I don't think there's much consensus ←
15:31:56 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS: I don't see a consensus forming.
Andy Seaborne: I don't see a consensus forming. ←
15:32:32 <PatH> link to wikipage?
Patrick Hayes: link to wikipage? ←
15:32:37 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Ordered
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Ordered ←
15:32:50 <Scott_Bauer> guus: First Proposal just call them sequence and list downplay as containers. Consensus on this?
Guus Schreiber: First Proposal just call them sequence and list downplay as containers. Consensus on this? ←
15:33:14 <Scott_Bauer> Andy: I haven't seen push back or support.
Andy Seaborne: I haven't seen push back or support. ←
15:33:22 <PatH> people DO call them sequence and list, in fact.
Patrick Hayes: people DO call them sequence and list, in fact. ←
15:33:40 <swh> yeah
Steve Harris: yeah ←
15:33:41 <gavinc> I think there is some level of consensus on well formedness as well
Gavin Carothers: I think there is some level of consensus on well formedness as well ←
15:33:43 <PatH> zakim, unmute me.
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15:33:50 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Semantics proposal is just to remove the semantics.
Guus Schreiber: Semantics proposal is just to remove the semantics. ←
15:34:32 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:34:34 <AndyS> well formedness for Seqs was pushed back at : two rdf:_1 to indicate equal rank
Andy Seaborne: well formedness for Seqs was pushed back at : two rdf:_1 to indicate equal rank ←
15:34:41 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: We may not need to remove that. We may just not need so many at once (containers)
Patrick Hayes: We may not need to remove that. We may just not need so many at once (containers) ←
15:34:45 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:35:26 <AlexHall> q-
15:35:31 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
15:35:40 <Guus> ack AlexHall
Guus Schreiber: ack AlexHall ←
15:35:54 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
15:36:24 <Scott_Bauer> Ivan: The current semantics would define an infinite amount of axiomatic triples.
Ivan Herman: The current semantics would define an infinite amount of axiomatic triples. ←
15:37:26 <Scott_Bauer> … we get interoperability issues.
… we get interoperability issues. ←
15:38:10 <Scott_Bauer> … certain conclusions in semantics are used in those properties?
… certain conclusions in semantics are used in those properties? ←
15:38:47 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: I agree is would be better if there was a clearer normative statement.
Patrick Hayes: I agree is would be better if there was a clearer normative statement. ←
15:38:49 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:39:30 <Scott_Bauer> guus: We should amend the text.
Guus Schreiber: We should amend the text. ←
15:39:40 <Scott_Bauer> Ivan: We should do this quickly
Ivan Herman: We should do this quickly ←
15:40:07 <Scott_Bauer> … sparql does define one approach to this.
… sparql does define one approach to this. ←
15:40:28 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:40:29 <Scott_Bauer> … look at this and see if we can use it to define it.
… look at this and see if we can use it to define it. ←
15:40:40 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:40:52 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
15:41:34 <ivan> -> the SPARQL document to look at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/
Ivan Herman: -> the SPARQL document to look at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ ←
15:42:28 <Scott_Bauer> Action: PatH review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties
ACTION: PatH review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties ←
15:42:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-11-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-114 - review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-11-09]. ←
15:42:45 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:42:47 <PatH> zakim, mute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←
15:42:47 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted
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15:43:23 <Scott_Bauer> Ivan: We have one major user that uses the container properties -- Adobe
Ivan Herman: We have one major user that uses the container properties -- Adobe ←
15:43:35 <swh> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:43:40 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:43:42 <Scott_Bauer> … Should we contact them regarding these changes.
… Should we contact them regarding these changes. ←
15:43:49 <gavinc> Hi Sandro!
Gavin Carothers: Hi Sandro! ←
15:43:53 <davidwood> +1 to Ivan. We have been presuming that Adobe will care about terminology.
David Wood: +1 to Ivan. We have been presuming that Adobe will care about terminology. ←
15:44:17 <swh> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:44:25 <PatH> i think there was a consensus not to deprecate or otherwise be rude about containers?
Patrick Hayes: i think there was a consensus not to deprecate or otherwise be rude about containers? ←
15:44:37 <swh> not consensus
Steve Harris: not consensus ←
15:44:49 <PatH> OK
Patrick Hayes: OK ←
15:45:25 <Scott_Bauer> Action: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe.
ACTION: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. ←
15:45:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-09]. ←
15:45:49 <swh> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:46:37 <PatH> it means if they do use it they have to take a shower afterwards.
Patrick Hayes: it means if they do use it they have to take a shower afterwards. ←
15:47:04 <swh> q?
Steve Harris: q? ←
15:47:11 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Well Formed Lists
15:47:33 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:47:40 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Is there consensus on this
Guus Schreiber: Is there consensus on this ←
15:47:58 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: I think so -- question is what would we do with the definition.
Sandro Hawke: I think so -- question is what would we do with the definition. ←
15:48:02 <PatH> zakim, unmute me
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15:48:40 <Scott_Bauer> SteveH: It's not ok to ask Adobe if its ok to deprectate
Steve Harris: It's not ok to ask Adobe if its ok to deprectate ←
15:49:03 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:49:05 <Scott_Bauer> … the containers
… the containers ←
15:49:24 <cygri> q-
Richard Cyganiak: q- ←
15:49:27 <PatH> +q re wellformed lists. Is the idea to have wellformed triples or a different 'native' structure?
Patrick Hayes: +q re wellformed lists. Is the idea to have wellformed triples or a different 'native' structure? ←
15:49:47 <swh> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:49:58 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS: Lists cannot be shared. Can't have two triples pointing to the same object.
Andy Seaborne: Lists cannot be shared. Can't have two triples pointing to the same object. ←
15:50:26 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: can you clarify that?
Patrick Hayes: can you clarify that? ←
15:50:48 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS: It's linked specifically on the turtle page.
Andy Seaborne: It's linked specifically on the turtle page. ←
15:50:49 <gavinc> I think PatH it's that IF they are well formed triples they CAN be implemented as a 'native' structure
Gavin Carothers: I think PatH it's that IF they are well formed triples they CAN be implemented as a 'native' structure ←
15:51:17 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
15:51:26 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:51:33 <AndyS> """ Each list node has exactly one inbound arc; for all but the first node, it's an rdf:rest arc from the previous node. """
Andy Seaborne: """ Each list node has exactly one inbound arc; for all but the first node, it's an rdf:rest arc from the previous node. """ ←
15:51:55 <PatH> ok, clearly we need to check the definition very carefully.
Patrick Hayes: ok, clearly we need to check the definition very carefully. ←
15:52:19 <Scott_Bauer> guus: I don't hear anybody saying it is a problem.
Guus Schreiber: I don't hear anybody saying it is a problem. ←
15:52:28 <gavinc> "(Perhaps there is a clearer definition using more math.) " ;)
Gavin Carothers: "(Perhaps there is a clearer definition using more math.) " ;) ←
15:52:45 <Scott_Bauer> … leaving this to further list discussion.
… leaving this to further list discussion. ←
15:52:47 <PatH> gavinc, yes. in fact there are several...
Patrick Hayes: gavinc, yes. in fact there are several... ←
15:53:05 <PatH> zakim, mute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←
15:53:05 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted
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15:53:21 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: would like to approach Adobe for feedback on the possibility.
Sandro Hawke: would like to approach Adobe for feedback on the possibility. ←
15:54:04 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: To mark Lists as archaic or not.
15:54:25 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: see Steve's summary
Sandro Hawke: see Steve's summary ←
15:54:44 <Scott_Bauer> guus: If we are stuck we go with the minimal option.
Guus Schreiber: If we are stuck we go with the minimal option. ←
15:54:59 <Scott_Bauer> … proposal one.
… proposal one. ←
15:55:09 <PatH> lists archaic??
Patrick Hayes: lists archaic?? ←
15:55:45 <PatH> +1 to guus. minimal change.
Patrick Hayes: +1 to guus. minimal change. ←
15:56:18 <Scott_Bauer> Sandro you may need to self scribe I'm not hearing you well
Sandro you may need to self scribe I'm not hearing you well ←
15:56:53 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: should we get rid of one of them?
Sandro Hawke: should we get rid of one of them? ←
15:57:06 <Scott_Bauer> … sequences or lists?
… sequences or lists? ←
15:57:27 <PatH> not clear to me what the alternative(s?) are.
Patrick Hayes: not clear to me what the alternative(s?) are. ←
15:57:40 <cygri> sandro: no one is happy with containers, no one is happy with collections. should we try to actually fix the problem? is there will in the wg to approach this?
Sandro Hawke: no one is happy with containers, no one is happy with collections. should we try to actually fix the problem? is there will in the wg to approach this? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
15:57:55 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:58:03 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:58:11 <PatH> ah. not obvious to me that this is a problem to solve here.
Patrick Hayes: ah. not obvious to me that this is a problem to solve here. ←
15:58:15 <PatH> q-
Patrick Hayes: q- ←
15:58:31 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:58:53 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:59:07 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: The other proposals include a list ontology and a datatype that is a list of UI/s
Richard Cyganiak: The other proposals include a list ontology and a datatype that is a list of UI/s ←
15:59:24 <PatH> +1 cygri
Patrick Hayes: +1 cygri ←
15:59:32 <Guus> +1 to Richard: not really in scope for this WG
Guus Schreiber: +1 to Richard: not really in scope for this WG ←
15:59:42 <swh> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:59:49 <Scott_Bauer> … seems like this should be carefully considered and explored in some other venue.
… seems like this should be carefully considered and explored in some other venue. ←
15:59:53 <swh> good for an XG (or whatever the current thing is)
Steve Harris: good for an XG (or whatever the current thing is) ←
15:59:55 <ivan> +1 to richard
Ivan Herman: +1 to richard ←
16:00:06 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
16:00:33 <gavinc> +☃ to cygri
Gavin Carothers: +☃ to cygri ←
16:00:33 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Proposal one the most likely option.
Guus Schreiber: Proposal one the most likely option. ←
16:01:18 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: We are taking a big step by endorsing turtle and it will be painful to have all these turtle lists out there.
Sandro Hawke: We are taking a big step by endorsing turtle and it will be painful to have all these turtle lists out there. ←
16:01:26 <PatH> i dont see any simple way to get this tidied up now. whatever we do will be a crock at this stage.
Patrick Hayes: i dont see any simple way to get this tidied up now. whatever we do will be a crock at this stage. ←
16:02:03 <gavinc> ... ( 1, 2, 3) ?type .
Gavin Carothers: ... ( 1, 2, 3) ?type . ←
16:02:22 <AndyS> Turtle exists in the wild already - I worry about changing current meaning.
Andy Seaborne: Turtle exists in the wild already - I worry about changing current meaning. ←
16:02:23 <Scott_Bauer> … could perhaps use parenthesis for rdf list
… could perhaps use parenthesis for rdf list ←
16:02:39 <swh> +1 to AndyS
Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS ←
16:02:43 <PatH> list datatype, maybe.
Patrick Hayes: list datatype, maybe. ←
16:02:47 <gavinc> +1000 to AndyS
Gavin Carothers: +1000 to AndyS ←
16:02:56 <PatH> +1 andy
Patrick Hayes: +1 andy ←
16:03:04 <AndyS> ():List ():Seq with () as list MIGHT work.
Andy Seaborne: ():List ():Seq with () as list MIGHT work. ←
16:03:34 <PatH> lists can have sublists?
Patrick Hayes: lists can have sublists? ←
16:03:50 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Named Graph Issues
16:03:50 <AndyS> PatH - yes
Andy Seaborne: PatH - yes ←
16:04:43 <AndyS> PatH, an object of rdf:first can be a list by Sandro's wording and by Turtle syntax. Unusual but legal.
Andy Seaborne: PatH, an object of rdf:first can be a list by Sandro's wording and by Turtle syntax. Unusual but legal. ←
16:04:44 <gavinc> +q what TriG draft currently says
Gavin Carothers: +q what TriG draft currently says ←
16:04:50 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Consensus model for moving forward is to agree on the minimal model.
Guus Schreiber: Consensus model for moving forward is to agree on the minimal model. ←
16:04:52 <gavinc> +q to say what TriG draft currently says
Gavin Carothers: +q to say what TriG draft currently says ←
16:05:07 <gavinc> Zakim, unmute me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:05:07 <Zakim> gavinc should no longer be muted
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16:05:25 <gavinc> A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made about that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}.
Gavin Carothers: A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made about that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}. ←
16:05:50 <PatH> zakim, unmute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, unmute me ←
16:05:50 <Zakim> PatH should no longer be muted
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16:05:57 <PatH> +q
Patrick Hayes: +q ←
16:06:05 <AndyS> I like the approach Guus outlines. Document different practices.
Andy Seaborne: I like the approach Guus outlines. Document different practices. ←
16:06:05 <ivan> ack gavinc
Ivan Herman: ack gavinc ←
16:06:05 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to say what TriG draft currently says
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to say what TriG draft currently says ←
16:06:09 <Guus> ack gavinc
Guus Schreiber: ack gavinc ←
16:06:14 <Guus> ack patH
Guus Schreiber: ack patH ←
16:06:26 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: The second sentence "made using that IRI" would be better
Patrick Hayes: The second sentence "made using that IRI" would be better ←
16:06:40 <gavinc> A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}.
Gavin Carothers: A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}. ←
16:06:40 <PatH> zakim, mute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←
16:06:40 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: PatH should now be muted ←
16:06:51 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: informal that the IRI denotes the graph
Sandro Hawke: informal that the IRI denotes the graph ←
16:07:11 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc: We match that grammar in a number of places.
Gavin Carothers: We match that grammar in a number of places. ←
16:07:16 <ericP> can i simplify
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can i simplify ←
16:07:16 <ericP> SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 } ←
16:07:16 <ericP> SERVICE <S1> { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SERVICE <S1> { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } } ←
16:07:16 <ericP> to
Eric Prud'hommeaux: to ←
16:07:16 <ericP> SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } } ←
16:07:19 <ericP> ?
16:07:39 <sandro> Yeah, "using that IRI" not "*about* that IRI".
Sandro Hawke: Yeah, "using that IRI" not "*about* that IRI". ←
16:08:12 <Scott_Bauer> ericP: One persons notion of a graph doesn't have to match another's. Sandro seems to say they probably should.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: One persons notion of a graph doesn't have to match another's. Sandro seems to say they probably should. ←
16:08:36 <swh> I'm not even sure that's an ideal world
Steve Harris: I'm not even sure that's an ideal world ←
16:08:37 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: That's probably going farther than we can right now.
Sandro Hawke: That's probably going farther than we can right now. ←
16:08:44 <gavinc> In a TriG document a graph IRI must not be used to label more then one graph. The IRI of a graph statement may be omitted. In this case the graph is considered the default graph of the RDF Dataset.
Gavin Carothers: In a TriG document a graph IRI must not be used to label more then one graph. The IRI of a graph statement may be omitted. In this case the graph is considered the default graph of the RDF Dataset. ←
16:08:47 <swh> -∞ to those being equivalent
Steve Harris: -∞ to those being equivalent ←
16:08:51 <PatH> zakim, unmute me
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16:08:57 <PatH> +q
Patrick Hayes: +q ←
16:09:04 <AndyS> Not the same - need extra assumptions.
Andy Seaborne: Not the same - need extra assumptions. ←
16:09:16 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc: TRIG doesn't deal with transactions
Gavin Carothers: TRIG doesn't deal with transactions ←
16:09:41 <ericP> can i simplify
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can i simplify ←
16:09:41 <ericP> SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 } ←
16:09:41 <ericP> { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } } ←
16:09:41 <ericP> to
Eric Prud'hommeaux: to ←
16:09:41 <ericP> SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } } ←
16:09:44 <ericP> ?
16:09:55 <PatH> IRIs have globsal scope, so they must be the same according to the semantics.
Patrick Hayes: IRIs have global scope, so they must be the same according to the semantics. ←
16:10:01 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc: It says you can't label them twice.
Gavin Carothers: It says you can't label them twice. ←
16:10:02 <Guus> ack PatH
Guus Schreiber: ack PatH ←
16:10:13 <AndyS> That is OK.
Andy Seaborne: That is OK. ←
16:10:14 <Scott_Bauer> ericP: I'll retract this line of reasoning.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I'll retract this line of reasoning. ←
16:10:14 <Souri> s/globsal /global /
16:10:33 <swh> what if one dataset is a canned state from 1 year ago?
Steve Harris: what if one dataset is a canned state from 1 year ago? ←
16:10:37 <gavinc> I agree for versions of global that include everyone getting to have their own globe
Gavin Carothers: I agree for versions of global that include everyone getting to have their own globe ←
16:10:40 <swh> or just hasn't been updated
Steve Harris: or just hasn't been updated ←
16:10:54 <swh> yet
Steve Harris: yet ←
16:10:56 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: We have an IRI and it denotes a graph. Nothing about only inside a data set.
Patrick Hayes: We have an IRI and it denotes a graph. Nothing about only inside a data set. ←
16:11:03 <cygri> it's not the deployed RDF world either
Richard Cyganiak: it's not the deployed RDF world either ←
16:11:26 <swh> it's not representative of how technology actually works
Steve Harris: it's not representative of how technology actually works ←
16:11:40 <gavinc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/index.html#sec-trig-intro current TriG draft
Gavin Carothers: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/index.html#sec-trig-intro current TriG draft ←
16:11:58 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: it would be nice if an IRI refers to the same graph but that's not how sparql works.
Sandro Hawke: it would be nice if an IRI refers to the same graph but that's not how sparql works. ←
16:12:00 <AndyS> +1 to cygri -- not just SPARQL, just easier to write down currently.
Andy Seaborne: +1 to cygri -- not just SPARQL, just easier to write down currently. ←
16:12:20 <Scott_Bauer> … can't just mandate this (Consensus at the face to face)
… can't just mandate this (Consensus at the face to face) ←
16:12:21 <AndyS> ... in fact predates SPARQL.
Andy Seaborne: ... in fact predates SPARQL. ←
16:13:02 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: I thought a resolution was made to have the IRI denote the graph.
Patrick Hayes: I thought a resolution was made to have the IRI denote the graph. ←
16:13:38 <AndyS> History - SPARQL followed/consensus of subset of deployed usage even back then.
Andy Seaborne: History - SPARQL followed/consensus of subset of deployed usage even back then. ←
16:13:45 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc: No one could agree on denotes
Gavin Carothers: No one could agree on denotes ←
16:13:50 <swh> +1 to AndyS
Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS ←
16:14:32 <Scott_Bauer> sandro: You can't stop the IRI's from denoting something in RDF, but does it denote the graph.
Sandro Hawke: You can't stop the IRI's from denoting something in RDF, but does it denote the graph. ←
16:15:16 <Scott_Bauer> … Maybe something at the top of the TRIG document that says how this works.
… Maybe something at the top of the TRIG document that says how this works. ←
16:15:35 <gavinc> I'm not hearing anyone complain about "It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph."
Gavin Carothers: I'm not hearing anyone complain about "It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph." ←
16:15:52 <Scott_Bauer> guus: You could give guidance on what the relationship would identify. Can we reach consensus?
Guus Schreiber: You could give guidance on what the relationship would identify. Can we reach consensus? ←
16:16:27 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS: The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement.
Andy Seaborne: The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement. ←
16:16:36 <AndyS> Not AndyS
Andy Seaborne: Not AndyS ←
16:16:48 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:16:58 <cygri> PatH: The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement.
Patrick Hayes: The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement. [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
16:17:02 <Scott_Bauer> swh: What Gavin said doesn't ring any alarm bells.
Steve Harris: What Gavin said doesn't ring any alarm bells. ←
16:17:04 <PatH> tnx
Patrick Hayes: tnx ←
16:17:24 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
16:17:29 <sandro> sandro: Maybe we can try to flush out the implications of gavin's text.
Sandro Hawke: Maybe we can try to flush out the implications of gavin's text. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:18:02 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
16:18:40 <AndyS> Need to use IRI in triple and IRI-graph association consistently but it's easy to get it wrong.
Andy Seaborne: Need to use IRI in triple and IRI-graph association consistently but it's easy to get it wrong. ←
16:19:16 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS: The chief problem is this is global. Don't say denote if that isn't' what's meant.
Patrick Hayes: The chief problem is this is global. Don't say denote if that isn't' what's meant. ←
16:19:23 <gavinc> Sure, PatH but people can something else about that IRI and the world will be happily inconsistent
Gavin Carothers: Sure, PatH but people can something else about that IRI and the world will be happily inconsistent ←
16:19:39 <AndyS> s/AndyS/PatH/
16:19:47 <AndyS> e.g. <iri> : size "57 bytes" using <iri> to denote the g-snap
Andy Seaborne: e.g. <iri> : size "57 bytes" using <iri> to denote the g-snap ←
16:19:52 <swh> bye
Steve Harris: bye ←
16:19:54 <Zakim> -Souri
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16:19:55 <AndyS> bye
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16:19:56 <Zakim> -PatH
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16:19:58 <Zakim> -cygri
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16:19:59 <zwu2> bye
16:19:59 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:19:59 <Zakim> -MacTed
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16:19:59 <Zakim> -davidwood
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16:20:02 <Zakim> -AlexHall
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16:20:03 <Zakim> -ericP
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16:20:05 <Zakim> -Ivan
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16:20:05 <Zakim> -gavinc
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16:20:16 <Zakim> - +1.707.318.aaaa
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16:20:42 <Zakim> -AndyS
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16:20:43 <PatH> Me too
Patrick Hayes: Me too ←
16:20:50 <PatH> Us brits all sound alike
Patrick Hayes: Us brits all sound alike ←
16:21:39 <Scott_Bauer> Action: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's
ACTION: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's ←
16:21:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-11-09].
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16:22:04 <Scott_Bauer> trackbot, end meeting
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16:22:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been guus, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, Ivan, swh, mischat, +1.707.318.aaaa, davidwood, MacTed, AndyS, PatH, AlexHall, cygri, Souri, ericP, zwu2, Sandro
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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties [1]
ACTION: PatH review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties [1] ←
16:22:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-42-28
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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [2]
ACTION: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [2] ←
16:22:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-rdf-wg-irc#T15-45-25
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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's [3]
ACTION: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's [3] ←
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