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RDF Working Group

Minutes of 17 August 2011

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Andy Seaborne, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Fabien Gandon, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Manu Sporny, Matteo Brunati, Mischa Tuffield, Nicholas Humfrey, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Richard Cyganiak, Scott Bauer, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris, Ted Thibodeau, Thomas Steiner, Zhe Wu
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14:59:40 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-irc ←

14:59:49 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←

14:59:53 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public

Andy Seaborne: rrsagent, make logs public ←

15:00:13 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←

15:00:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider ←

15:00:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see mischat_, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, mischat, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mischat_, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, mischat, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu, ←

15:00:16 <SteveH> Zakim, what is the code?

Steve Harris: Zakim, what is the code? ←

15:00:16 <Zakim> ... ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←

15:00:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), SteveH ←

15:00:33 <Zakim> +DavidW

Zakim IRC Bot: +DavidW ←

15:00:34 <Guus> zakim, who is yalking?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is yalking? ←

15:00:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Guus.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Guus. ←

15:00:44 <pfps> sounds LOVELY!

Peter Patel-Schneider: sounds LOVELY! ←

15:00:45 <Guus> Zakim, who is talking?

Guus Schreiber: Zakim, who is talking? ←

15:00:52 <Zakim> +Marcelo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Marcelo ←

15:00:56 <Zakim> Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (59%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (59%) ←

15:00:58 <cygri> zakim, Marcelo is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, Marcelo is me ←

15:00:58 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←

15:01:03 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←

15:01:07 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←

15:01:12 <davidwood> Zakim, DavidW is me

David Wood: Zakim, DavidW is me ←

15:01:13 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←

15:01:14 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P9 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P9 is [Garlik] ←

15:01:14 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←

15:01:15 <AndyS> redialing ...

Andy Seaborne: redialing ... ←

15:01:17 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it ←

15:01:19 <Zakim> +Tony

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←

15:01:21 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←

15:01:23 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←

15:01:25 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←

15:01:29 <Zakim> +tomayac

Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac ←

15:01:31 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←

15:01:31 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

15:01:32 <Scott_Bauer> zakim, tony is me

Scott Bauer: zakim, tony is me ←

15:01:43 <Zakim> +SteveH, mischat; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, mischat; got it ←

15:01:45 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer; got it ←

15:01:57 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←

15:02:03 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←

15:02:09 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←

15:02:14 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←

15:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS ←

15:02:28 <zwu2> zakim, code?

Zhe Wu: zakim, code? ←

15:02:30 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

15:02:42 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←

15:02:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu, ←

15:02:55 <Zakim> ... ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←

15:02:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2 ←

15:03:05 <Zakim> + +1.707.861.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.861.aabb ←

15:03:12 <gavinc> zakim, aabb is me

Gavin Carothers: zakim, aabb is me ←

15:03:31 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←

15:04:19 <Zakim> +[Sophia]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Sophia] ←

15:04:30 <Zakim> +??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←

15:04:33 <Zakim> + +1.650.265.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.265.aacc ←

15:04:44 <pchampin> zakim, ??P21 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P21 is me ←

15:04:44 <zwu2> zakim, +1.650.265.aacc is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.650.265.aacc is me ←

15:04:49 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me ←

15:04:50 <FabGandon> Zakim, +[Sophia] is me

Fabien Gandon: Zakim, +[Sophia] is me ←

15:04:59 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it ←

15:04:59 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 ←

15:05:01 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←

15:05:02 <pchampin> zakim, mute me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, mute me ←

15:05:09 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←

15:05:11 <Zakim> sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]' ←

15:05:19 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin should now be muted ←

15:05:21 <FabGandon> zakim, sophia is me

Fabien Gandon: zakim, sophia is me ←

15:05:30 <gavinc> gavinc has changed the topic to:  http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 (gavinc)

Gavin Carothers: gavinc has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 (gavinc) ←

15:05:35 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it ←

15:05:37 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←

15:05:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2 ←

15:05:43 <ericP> ericP has changed the topic to: RDF WG telecon: agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ericP has changed the topic to: RDF WG telecon: agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 ←

15:05:48 <Zakim> ... (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted) ←

15:05:54 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

15:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see PatHayes, pchampin, zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PatHayes, pchampin, zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, ←

15:06:01 <Zakim> ... trackbot, NickH, manu, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, NickH, manu, ericP ←

15:06:04 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←

15:06:38 <PatHayes> zakim, mute me

Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←

15:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, PatHayes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PatHayes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

15:07:27 <PatHayes> PatHayes is PatH

Patrick Hayes: PatHayes is PatH ←

15:08:38 <ericP> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03 as a record of the 3 Aug telecon as amended per http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17

PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03 as a record of the 3 Aug telecon as amended per http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 ←

15:09:48 <ericP> APPROVED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: APPROVED ←

15:09:55 <ericP> RESOLVED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: RESOLVED ←

15:09:59 <mischat> zakim, +PatH is PatHayes

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, +PatH is PatHayes ←

15:09:59 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+PatH'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+PatH' ←

15:11:07 <mbrunati> sorry guys today I'm only via irc, some problems with the audio

Matteo Brunati: sorry guys today I'm only via irc, some problems with the audio ←

15:11:14 <ericP> ACTION: FabGandon to implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2

ACTION: FabGandon to implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 ←

15:11:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-73 - Implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-08-24]. ←

15:13:48 <Zakim> +??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←

15:13:58 <NickH> Zakim, ??P29 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P29 is me ←

15:13:58 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←

15:14:02 <NickH> zakim, mute me

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, mute me ←

15:14:02 <Zakim> NickH should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: NickH should now be muted ←

15:14:10 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←

15:14:16 <ericP>  ACTION-65: CONTINUED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ACTION-65: CONTINUED ←

15:14:16 <trackbot> ACTION-65 And Pat to consider what words to add to minimal proposal. notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-65 And Pat to consider what words to add to minimal proposal. notes added ←

15:14:29 <ericP>  ACTION-66: CONTINUED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ACTION-66: CONTINUED ←

15:14:29 <trackbot> ACTION-66 Contact Paul notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-66 Contact Paul notes added ←

15:14:47 <ericP>  ACTION-67: CONTINUED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ACTION-67: CONTINUED ←

15:14:47 <trackbot> ACTION-67 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-67 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added ←

15:15:07 <ericP>  ACTION-68: CONTINUED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ACTION-68: CONTINUED ←

15:15:07 <trackbot> ACTION-68 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-68 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added ←

15:15:47 <ericP>  ACTION-69: CONTINUED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ACTION-69: CONTINUED ←

15:15:47 <trackbot> ACTION-69 Update Turtle issue list to reflect current status notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-69 Update Turtle issue list to reflect current status notes added ←

15:16:03 <ericP>  ACTION-70: CONTINUED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ACTION-70: CONTINUED ←

15:16:03 <trackbot> ACTION-70 Send email to provenance WG chairs about a joint call notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-70 Send email to provenance WG chairs about a joint call notes added ←

15:16:08 <ericP>  ACTION-71: CONTINUED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ACTION-71: CONTINUED ←

15:16:09 <trackbot> ACTION-71 Email team-prov-chairs@w3.org about joint task force, or something. maybe include RDFa and SPARQL notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-71 Email team-prov-chairs@w3.org about joint task force, or something. maybe include RDFa and SPARQL notes added ←

15:17:06 <ericP> topic: next telecon

1. next telecon

15:17:38 <ericP> davidwood: i proposed by email that ivan chair a meeting about RDF JSON work

David Wood: i proposed by email that ivan chair a meeting about RDF JSON work [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:17:52 <ericP> whois tomayac

Eric Prud'hommeaux: whois tomayac ←

15:18:25 <ericP> tomayac: Ian will put the doc in version control and we'll review

Thomas Steiner: Ian will put the doc in version control and we'll review [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:18:41 <ericP> ... in 1.5 weeks we should have something to disucss re: JSON

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... in 1.5 weeks we should have something to disucss re: JSON ←

15:19:15 <ericP> davidwood: does the JSON LD work obviate our need to continue our work?

David Wood: does the JSON LD work obviate our need to continue our work? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:19:37 <ericP> tomayac: i'm slightly confused about the JSON LD work

Thomas Steiner: i'm slightly confused about the JSON LD work [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:19:50 <manu> zakim, code?

Manu Sporny: zakim, code? ←

15:19:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu ←

15:20:02 <ericP> ... ivan said we'd start with the Talis JSON and proceed to JSON LD

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... ivan said we'd start with the Talis JSON and proceed to JSON LD ←

15:20:18 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←

15:20:20 <ericP> ... progress in the JSON LD task force

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... progress in the JSON LD task force ←

15:20:24 <manu> zakim, I am ??P32

Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P32 ←

15:20:24 <Zakim> +manu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←

15:20:54 <manu> q+

Manu Sporny: q+ ←

15:21:14 <ericP> davidwood: given manu's assertion that JSON LD meets all stated use cases so perhaps we should avoid making a competing spec

David Wood: given manu's assertion that JSON LD meets all stated use cases so perhaps we should avoid making a competing spec [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:21:31 <ericP> manu: i still need to review the RDF JSON use cases

Manu Sporny: i still need to review the RDF JSON use cases [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:21:55 <ericP> ... some diligence required to confirm the claim that JSON LD work meets all stated use cases

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... some diligence required to confirm the claim that JSON LD work meets all stated use cases ←

15:22:04 <ericP> ... should have a document in 2 months

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... should have a document in 2 months ←

15:22:20 <ericP> ... (JSON LD)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... (JSON LD) ←

15:22:53 <ericP> ... we just need to examine both approaches

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we just need to examine both approaches ←

15:23:09 <gavinc> http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/

Gavin Carothers: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/ ←

15:23:23 <manu> http://json-ld.org/playground/

Manu Sporny: http://json-ld.org/playground/ ←

15:23:41 <ericP> ... there's a JSON LD playground which shows the choices of input and output

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there's a JSON LD playground which shows the choices of input and output ←

15:24:08 <ericP> ... shows a set of examples in different JSON representations

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... shows a set of examples in different JSON representations ←

15:24:22 <ericP> ... spec defines the round-trip to RDF/XML

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... spec defines the round-trip to RDF/XML ←

15:24:40 <ericP> ... the first 20% should be sufficient prep for next week

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... the first 20% should be sufficient prep for next week ←

15:25:04 <ericP> ... then go ahead and play with the playground

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... then go ahead and play with the playground ←

15:25:30 <ericP> ACTION: manu to send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd

ACTION: manu to send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd ←

15:25:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-74 - Send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-08-24]. ←

15:25:31 <tomayac> it was resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2

Thomas Steiner: it was resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2 ←

15:25:53 <ericP> next telecon: 24 Aug

Eric Prud'hommeaux: next telecon: 24 Aug ←

15:25:54 <tomayac> from issue 2: "(1) Incubate on something like JSON-LD, (2) make a REC on something like Talis RDF/JSON, and (3) make a Note on current practice stuff like Linked Data API, at FTF1"

Thomas Steiner: from ISSUE-2: "(1) Incubate on something like JSON-LD, (2) make a REC on something like Talis RDF/JSON, and (3) make a Note on current practice stuff like Linked Data API, at FTF1" ←

15:26:06 <ericP> topic FTF2 Admin

Eric Prud'hommeaux: topic FTF2 Admin ←

15:26:09 <ericP> topic: FTF2 Admin

2. FTF2 Admin

15:26:21 <tomayac> ian's and my doc will thus cover (2)

Thomas Steiner: ian's and my doc will thus cover (2) ←

15:26:31 <ericP> Guus: please fill in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2

Guus Schreiber: please fill in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2 [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:26:59 <ericP> cygri: we need UK site decision expected next week

Richard Cyganiak: we need UK site decision expected next week [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:27:08 <ericP> ... would help to know how many folks to expect

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... would help to know how many folks to expect ←

15:27:14 <NickH> If people want to have a meeting in London, then I am sure the BBC can work something out

Nicholas Humfrey: If people want to have a meeting in London, then I am sure the BBC can work something out ←

15:27:15 <ericP> Guus: i see 4 so far

Guus Schreiber: i see 4 so far [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:27:27 <NickH> we have a lot of meeting rooms!

Nicholas Humfrey: we have a lot of meeting rooms! ←

15:27:38 <pchampin> I didn't update the wiki page yet, but I will only be able to join if there is a european location

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I didn't update the wiki page yet, but I will only be able to join if there is a european location ←

15:27:39 <gavinc> It looked like it was a Europe F2F with a remote at MIT ;)

Gavin Carothers: It looked like it was a Europe F2F with a remote at MIT ;) ←

15:27:59 <AndyS> OxfordU/comp lab has a setup that works with MIT [no WG member?]

Andy Seaborne: OxfordU/comp lab has a setup that works with MIT [no WG member?] ←

15:28:06 <ericP> Guus: i can imagine half in UK, half at MIT

Guus Schreiber: i can imagine half in UK, half at MIT [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:28:21 <ericP> topic: Turtle

3. Turtle

15:28:44 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9171 Turtle FPWD news item

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9171 Turtle FPWD news item ←

15:28:50 <mischat> i had asked soton uni, but it coincided with the "freshers week" which meant that rooms would have been hard to come by

Mischa Tuffield: i had asked soton uni, but it coincided with the "freshers week" which meant that rooms would have been hard to come by ←

15:28:57 <ericP> Guus: editors need to monitor the comments list

Guus Schreiber: editors need to monitor the comments list [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:29:22 <Zakim> -manu

Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←

15:29:53 <ericP> ... someone should mail the semweb lists

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... someone should mail the semweb lists ←

15:30:07 <ericP> gavinc: already one feedback from bob charm

Gavin Carothers: already one feedback from bob charm [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:30:51 <ericP> ACTION: Guus to send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD

ACTION: Guus to send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD ←

15:30:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-75 - Send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24]. ←

15:31:10 <ericP> Guus: if folks want to distribute this more widely, go ahead

Guus Schreiber: if folks want to distribute this more widely, go ahead [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:31:51 <ericP> gavinc: this WG is not lisverva subscribable

Gavin Carothers: this WG is not lisverva subscribable [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:32:51 <ericP> ericP: i don't think we've made DBWG and listserve work together

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i don't think we've made DBWG and listserve work together [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:33:05 <ericP> topic: RDF Concepts

4. RDF Concepts

15:33:18 <Zakim> +tomayac.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac.a ←

15:33:23 <ericP> -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html editor's draft

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html editor's draft ←

15:33:44 <ericP> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Aug/0008.html decision to publish

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Aug/0008.html decision to publish ←

15:33:54 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/rdf-concepts-FPWD/rdf-concepts/Overview.html

Richard Cyganiak: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/rdf-concepts-FPWD/rdf-concepts/Overview.html ←

15:33:55 <ericP> Guus: are editors still intereted in feedback?

Guus Schreiber: are editors still intereted in feedback? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:34:03 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q? ←

15:34:13 <ericP> cygri: sure, but i'd say we're good enough to publish now

Richard Cyganiak: sure, but i'd say we're good enough to publish now [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:34:28 <ericP> ... we could pick a date and get to what we can before the pub date

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we could pick a date and get to what we can before the pub date ←

15:34:43 <ericP> davidwood: i propose we make a transition request

David Wood: i propose we make a transition request [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:35:10 <ericP> Guus: there are comments, but if you don't want to address them before publication, go ahead

Guus Schreiber: there are comments, but if you don't want to address them before publication, go ahead [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:35:24 <mischat> i have gone through the document abstract concept documents too, nothing but minor issues, i will send it round at some point soon

Mischa Tuffield: i have gone through the document abstract concept documents too, nothing but minor issues, i will send it round at some point soon ←

15:35:44 <ericP> davidwood: i'd like to make the transition request and make changes in parallel

David Wood: i'd like to make the transition request and make changes in parallel [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:35:45 <ericP> q+

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ ←

15:35:55 <ericP> q-

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←

15:36:43 <gavinc> +q

Gavin Carothers: +q ←

15:37:21 <gavinc> -q

Gavin Carothers: -q ←

15:37:30 <ericP> ericP: note that the WG is permitting the editors to make changes after the decision to publish

Eric Prud'hommeaux: note that the WG is permitting the editors to make changes after the decision to publish [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:37:45 <ericP> topic: ISSUE-12 language-tagged literals

5. ISSUE-12 language-tagged literals

15:38:01 <davidwood> Transition request for RDF Concepts to FPWD sent

David Wood: Transition request for RDF Concepts to FPWD sent ←

15:38:34 <ericP> AndyS: cygri introduced two classes: rdf:text is the current plain literals and langstring, including xsd:string

Andy Seaborne: cygri introduced two classes: rdf:text is the current plain literals and langstring, including xsd:string [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:39:01 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←

15:39:12 <ericP> PatHayes: all seems fine except the open question about whether it's a new datatype

Patrick Hayes: all seems fine except the open question about whether it's a new datatype [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:39:25 <ericP> ... i'm happy to make it a datatype; i see it's a small change

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... i'm happy to make it a datatype; i see it's a small change ←

15:39:38 <mischat> ok

Mischa Tuffield: ok ←

15:39:38 <cygri> q-

Richard Cyganiak: q- ←

15:39:45 <ericP> ... there are some who see this change as large

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there are some who see this change as large ←

15:40:13 <gavinc> can OWL datatype properties be used with literals without a datatype?

Gavin Carothers: can OWL datatype properties be used with literals without a datatype? ←

15:40:23 <AndyS> sorry - will redial

Andy Seaborne: sorry - will redial ←

15:40:30 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←

15:40:55 <ericP> ... what value do we get out of it being a datatype?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... what value do we get out of it being a datatype? ←

15:41:06 <ericP> AndyS: principally uniformity

Andy Seaborne: principally uniformity [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:41:09 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←

15:41:16 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←

15:41:16 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←

15:42:02 <ericP> AndyS: current datatype of "" or ""@en is an error

Andy Seaborne: current datatype of "" or ""@en is an error [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:42:04 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←

15:42:36 <AndyS>  rdf:LangString

Andy Seaborne: rdf:LangString ←

15:42:38 <ericP> PatHayes: i see that as sufficient motivation to make rdf:langString a datatype

Patrick Hayes: i see that as sufficient motivation to make rdf:langString a datatype [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:43:02 <ericP> cygri: an concearned that this proposal changes the way datatypes work

Richard Cyganiak: an concearned that this proposal changes the way datatypes work [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:43:17 <manu> ack manu

Manu Sporny: ack manu ←

15:43:19 <Guus> q+

Guus Schreiber: q+ ←

15:43:26 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+ ←

15:43:38 <ericP> ... lang-tagged string has an atypical lexical form

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... lang-tagged string has an atypical lexical form ←

15:43:46 <ericP> ... is there a work-around?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... is there a work-around? ←

15:44:22 <ericP> ... e.g. say that rdf:langStrings have no lexical to value mapping?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... e.g. say that rdf:langStrings have no lexical to value mapping? ←

15:45:25 <ericP> AndyS: a few options:

Andy Seaborne: a few options: [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:45:26 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q? ←

15:45:30 <cygri> ackm e

Richard Cyganiak: ackm e ←

15:45:31 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←

15:45:36 <Guus> ack me

Guus Schreiber: ack me ←

15:45:42 <Guus> ack AndyS

Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←

15:45:51 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?

Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←

15:45:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2 (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2 (muted), ←

15:45:54 <ericP> ... cygri's: that there be no valid LtoV for rdf:langStrings

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... cygri's: that there be no valid LtoV for rdf:langStrings ←

15:45:55 <Zakim> ... PatH, NickH (muted), Souri, tomayac.a, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: ... PatH, NickH (muted), Souri, tomayac.a, AndyS ←

15:45:56 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

15:46:40 <ericP> ... modify the LtoV, which is parameterized by the datatype. extend the function to take a language parameter

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... modify the LtoV, which is parameterized by the datatype. extend the function to take a language parameter ←

15:46:50 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ ←

15:47:03 <ericP> PatHayes: can say that LtoV operates on a lexical form + a tag

Patrick Hayes: can say that LtoV operates on a lexical form + a tag [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:47:17 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me ←

15:47:28 <Guus> ack pchampin

Guus Schreiber: ack pchampin ←

15:47:44 <PatHayes> very rough sound

Patrick Hayes: very rough sound ←

15:47:59 <PatHayes> better

Patrick Hayes: better ←

15:48:03 <AndyS> could you type into IRC?

Andy Seaborne: could you type into IRC? ←

15:48:18 <NickH> sorry, can't understand

Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, can't understand ←

15:48:25 <pchampin> sorry

Pierre-Antoine Champin: sorry ←

15:48:38 <gavinc> zakim, mute pchampin

Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute pchampin ←

15:48:38 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin should now be muted ←

15:48:43 <pchampin> to AndyS's remark: having a valid lexical form makes it cumbersome, see PlainLiteral

Pierre-Antoine Champin: to AndyS's remark: having a valid lexical form makes it cumbersome, see PlainLiteral ←

15:48:56 <PatHayes> agree.

Patrick Hayes: agree. ←

15:49:15 <pchampin> to Pat's remark: using the full lexical form will raise problems with Turtle, which has syntactic sugar for some datatypes

Pierre-Antoine Champin: to Pat's remark: using the full lexical form will raise problems with Turtle, which has syntactic sugar for some datatypes ←

15:49:55 <AndyS> The lexical part is the string - not encoded (c.f. rdf:PlainLiteral). Add extra info to the process by some means

Andy Seaborne: The lexical part is the string - not encoded (c.f. rdf:PlainLiteral). Add extra info to the process by some means ←

15:50:00 <PatHayes> any syntax that can describe tags, can be used unchanged.

Patrick Hayes: any syntax that can describe tags, can be used unchanged. ←

15:50:00 <ericP> cygri: it looks like we have consensus about what we want rdf:langString to look like, but we need to work to implementation details

Richard Cyganiak: it looks like we have consensus about what we want rdf:langString to look like, but we need to work to implementation details [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:50:16 <PatHayes> the only change is to the abstract model.

Patrick Hayes: the only change is to the abstract model. ←

15:50:40 <ericP> ... this will change the terminology. past changes and these invalidate the term "plain literal"

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... this will change the terminology. past changes and these invalidate the term "plain literal" ←

15:50:46 <PatHayes> 'plain

Patrick Hayes: 'plain ←

15:50:58 <PatHayes> ' is now a type. no prblem

Patrick Hayes: ' is now a type. no prblem ←

15:51:00 <PatHayes> ;-

Patrick Hayes: ;- ←

15:51:04 <AndyS> I don't think it must change Turtle - it's a mechanism along side short forms like integer or decimal or double.

Andy Seaborne: I don't think it must change Turtle - it's a mechanism along side short forms like integer or decimal or double. ←

15:51:15 <ericP> ... we want to avoid the impression that we've radically changed the language (which i don't believe we have)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we want to avoid the impression that we've radically changed the language (which i don't believe we have) ←

15:51:19 <AndyS> plain literal = rdf:Text

Andy Seaborne: plain literal = rdf:Text ←

15:51:20 <AndyS> ??

Andy Seaborne: ?? ←

15:51:29 <ericP> Guus: you can connect the old terminology to the current form

Guus Schreiber: you can connect the old terminology to the current form [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:51:40 <PatHayes> really, this is a storm in a teacup.

Patrick Hayes: really, this is a storm in a teacup. ←

15:52:22 <PatHayes> I could try to summarize the options in an email.

Patrick Hayes: I could try to summarize the options in an email. ←

15:52:36 <PatHayes> I see four so far.

Patrick Hayes: I see four so far. ←

15:52:38 <PatHayes> yes

Patrick Hayes: yes ←

15:52:51 <ericP> ericP: are there any disiderada which help us figure the implementation

Eric Prud'hommeaux: are there any disiderada which help us figure the implementation [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:52:52 <PatHayes> ok

Patrick Hayes: ok ←

15:53:05 <AndyS> Thanks Pat

Andy Seaborne: Thanks Pat ←

15:53:21 <ericP> ACTION: PatHayes to summarize the options

ACTION: PatHayes to summarize the options ←

15:53:21 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PatHayes

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PatHayes ←

15:53:28 <ericP> ACTION: PatH to summarize the options

ACTION: PatH to summarize the options ←

15:53:35 <ericP> action -4

Eric Prud'hommeaux: action -4 ←

15:54:07 <ericP> Guus: editors will have to look closely at PatHayes's summary

Guus Schreiber: editors will have to look closely at PatHayes's summary [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:54:30 <ericP> topic: WG priorities before F2F

6. WG priorities before F2F

15:55:16 <ericP> Guus: which are the highest priority issues?

Guus Schreiber: which are the highest priority issues? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:55:20 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 ←

15:55:20 <ericP> ... propose named graphs

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... propose named graphs ←

15:55:37 <ericP> cygri: agreed. the rdf:langString seems to be making good progress

Richard Cyganiak: agreed. the rdf:langString seems to be making good progress [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:56:25 <ericP> davidwood: we're going to have a hard time writing documents and proposing changes to SPARQL until we have nailed down the multi-graph terminology

David Wood: we're going to have a hard time writing documents and proposing changes to SPARQL until we have nailed down the multi-graph terminology [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:56:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Summarize the options [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-76 - Summarize the options [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-08-24]. ←

15:56:37 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax ←

15:56:42 <ericP> Guus: ok, multi-graph. what else?

Guus Schreiber: ok, multi-graph. what else? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:56:58 <ericP> cygri: what are the objections against using the SPARQL dataset design?

Richard Cyganiak: what are the objections against using the SPARQL dataset design? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

15:57:16 <ericP> ... sandro, pchampin, PatHayes aren't happy

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... sandro, pchampin, PatHayes aren't happy ←

15:59:31 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs/RDF-Datasets-Proposal

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs/RDF-Datasets-Proposal ←

15:59:47 <ericP> ACTION: cygri to add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts

ACTION: cygri to add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts ←

15:59:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-77 - Add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-08-24]. ←

16:00:06 <PatHayes> Actually, PatH is getting to the point where he almost doesnt care what terminology is used, as long as we settle on something.

Patrick Hayes: Actually, PatH is getting to the point where he almost doesnt care what terminology is used, as long as we settle on something. ←

16:00:07 <AndyS> Probably too weak/loose/open/flexible for this WG

Andy Seaborne: Probably too weak/loose/open/flexible for this WG ←

16:00:19 <ericP> Guus: priorities for Turtle?

Guus Schreiber: priorities for Turtle? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:00:25 <pchampin> @cygri: I have to get up to date with the mailing list (I'm just back from holiday), but I as soon as I'm up to date, I can try to summarize in a mail what makes me unhappy in the SPARQL dataset model

Pierre-Antoine Champin: @cygri: I have to get up to date with the mailing list (I'm just back from holiday), but I as soon as I'm up to date, I can try to summarize in a mail what makes me unhappy in the SPARQL dataset model ←

16:01:33 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples ←

16:01:48 <ericP> gavinc: talking to AndyS yesterday, ericP and I thought that N-Triples would be going into the Turtle doc

Gavin Carothers: talking to AndyS yesterday, ericP and I thought that N-Triples would be going into the Turtle doc [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:02:00 <ericP> ... but apparently there was a WG decision to publish separately?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... but apparently there was a WG decision to publish separately? ←

16:02:57 <ericP> Guus: there are many motivations to publish separately

Guus Schreiber: there are many motivations to publish separately [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:03:37 <cygri> gavinc, i'm pretty sure there wasn't any resolution on this yet. discussion but no resolution. discussion is in the F2F1 minutes, day1+day2

Richard Cyganiak: gavinc, i'm pretty sure there wasn't any resolution on this yet. discussion but no resolution. discussion is in the F2F1 minutes, day1+day2 ←

16:03:56 <ericP> ... but no cost to start with it as an appendix

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... but no cost to start with it as an appendix ←

16:04:57 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F

ACTION: ericP to add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F ←

16:04:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-78 - Add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-08-24]. ←

16:05:44 <Zakim> -FabGandon

Zakim IRC Bot: -FabGandon ←

16:06:03 <ericP> Guus: JSON work will be discussed next week. priority discussion deferred 'till then

Guus Schreiber: JSON work will be discussed next week. priority discussion deferred 'till then [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:06:42 <ericP> ... is it worth starting on the semantics document?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... is it worth starting on the semantics document? ←

16:07:03 <ericP> PatHayes: we could start in parallel noting that terminology will shift

Patrick Hayes: we could start in parallel noting that terminology will shift [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:07:15 <ericP> pfps, agreed?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: pfps, agreed? ←

16:09:02 <ericP> Guus: we have separate editors listed for N-Triples

Guus Schreiber: we have separate editors listed for N-Triples [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:09:13 <ericP> ... which means they are likely to comment on gavinc's draft

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... which means they are likely to comment on gavinc's draft ←

16:09:30 <ericP> ... i think that the primer is good to write near the end

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... i think that the primer is good to write near the end ←

16:09:41 <ericP> PatHayes: propose we gather examples

Patrick Hayes: propose we gather examples [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:10:38 <ericP> ACTION: Guus to discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F

ACTION: Guus to discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F ←

16:10:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-79 - Discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24]. ←

16:10:57 <ericP> Guus: leave Trig and quad syntax for later?

Guus Schreiber: leave Trig and quad syntax for later? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:11:12 <ericP> ... leave RDF/XML for later?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... leave RDF/XML for later? ←

16:11:13 <PatHayes> i have to leave soon. Andy, can you email me the current plain/lang literal terminology?

Patrick Hayes: i have to leave soon. Andy, can you email me the current plain/lang literal terminology? ←

16:11:24 <ericP> davidwood: we're motivated to touch RDF/XML only once

David Wood: we're motivated to touch RDF/XML only once [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←

16:11:58 <ericP> ADJOURNED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ADJOURNED ←

16:12:03 <AndyS> Richard - do you want to let PatH know your current state on terminology?  I'll resend email he may have lost

Andy Seaborne: Richard - do you want to let PatH know your current state on terminology? I'll resend email he may have lost ←

16:12:30 <Zakim> -PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←

16:12:42 <AndyS> Regrets for next week.

Andy Seaborne: Regrets for next week. ←

16:12:50 <pchampin> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html

Pierre-Antoine Champin: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html ←

16:12:53 <cygri> AndyS, ok i'll do that

Richard Cyganiak: AndyS, ok i'll do that ←

16:12:56 <pchampin> here is the link

Pierre-Antoine Champin: here is the link ←

16:13:00 <Zakim> -davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←

16:13:04 <Zakim> -[Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik] ←

16:13:09 <cygri> ericP, http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=rdf-wg&go=Use+This+Group

Richard Cyganiak: ericP, http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=rdf-wg&go=Use+This+Group ←

16:13:11 <cygri> start there

Richard Cyganiak: start there ←

16:13:11 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←

16:13:13 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←

16:13:13 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←

16:13:19 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←

16:13:20 <Zakim> -Scott_Bauer

Zakim IRC Bot: -Scott_Bauer ←

16:13:20 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←

16:13:51 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Eric Prud'hommeaux: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←

16:13:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-minutes.html ericP

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-minutes.html ericP ←



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