IRC log of rdf-wg on 2011-08-17
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- +Peter_Patel-Schneider
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- 15:00:13 [Guus]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:00:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see AndyS, +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider
- 15:00:14 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see mischat_, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, mischat, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu,
- 15:00:16 [SteveH]
- Zakim, what is the code?
- 15:00:16 [Zakim]
- ... ericP
- 15:00:17 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), SteveH
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- +DavidW
- 15:00:34 [Guus]
- zakim, who is yalking?
- 15:00:34 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Guus.
- 15:00:44 [pfps]
- sounds LOVELY!
- 15:00:45 [Guus]
- Zakim, who is talking?
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- +Marcelo
- 15:00:56 [Zakim]
- Guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (59%)
- 15:00:58 [cygri]
- zakim, Marcelo is me
- 15:00:58 [Zakim]
- +cygri; got it
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- +OpenLink_Software
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- +??P9
- 15:01:12 [davidwood]
- Zakim, DavidW is me
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- Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
- 15:01:14 [SteveH]
- Zakim, ??P9 is [Garlik]
- 15:01:14 [MacTed]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:01:15 [AndyS]
- redialing ...
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- +davidwood; got it
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- +Tony
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- +MacTed; got it
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- +[Garlik]; got it
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- MacTed should now be muted
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- +tomayac
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- -AndyS
- 15:01:31 [SteveH]
- Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
- 15:01:32 [Scott_Bauer]
- zakim, tony is me
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- +SteveH, mischat; got it
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- +Scott_Bauer; got it
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- +??P12
- 15:02:03 [AndyS]
- zakim, ??P12 is me
- 15:02:09 [Zakim]
- +AndyS; got it
- 15:02:13 [zwu2]
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- 15:02:14 [Guus]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:02:23 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS
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- zakim, code?
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- [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
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- +ericP
- 15:02:50 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, NickH, manu,
- 15:02:55 [Zakim]
- ... ericP
- 15:02:57 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
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- + +1.707.861.aabb
- 15:03:12 [gavinc]
- zakim, aabb is me
- 15:03:31 [Zakim]
- +gavinc; got it
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- +[Sophia]
- 15:04:20 [PatHayes]
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- +??P21
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- + +1.650.265.aacc
- 15:04:44 [pchampin]
- zakim, ??P21 is me
- 15:04:44 [zwu2]
- zakim, +1.650.265.aacc is me
- 15:04:49 [zwu2]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:04:50 [FabGandon]
- Zakim, +[Sophia] is me
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- +pchampin; got it
- 15:04:59 [cygri]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17
- 15:05:01 [Zakim]
- +zwu2; got it
- 15:05:02 [pchampin]
- zakim, mute me
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- zwu2 should now be muted
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- sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]'
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- pchampin should now be muted
- 15:05:21 [FabGandon]
- zakim, sophia is me
- 15:05:30 [gavinc]
- gavinc has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17 (gavinc)
- 15:05:35 [Zakim]
- +FabGandon; got it
- 15:05:37 [Guus]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:05:41 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2
- 15:05:43 [ericP]
- ericP has changed the topic to: RDF WG telecon: agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17
- 15:05:48 [Zakim]
- ... (muted)
- 15:05:54 [Zakim]
- [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
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- On IRC I see PatHayes, pchampin, zwu2, pfps, mischat, mbrunati, RRSAgent, Zakim, FabGandon, AndyS, Scott_Bauer, Guus, gavinc, cygri, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, davidwood, manu1,
- 15:06:01 [Zakim]
- ... trackbot, NickH, manu, ericP
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- +PatH
- 15:06:38 [PatHayes]
- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, PatHayes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 15:07:27 [PatHayes]
- PatHayes is PatH
- 15:08:38 [ericP]
- PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03 as a record of the 3 Aug telecon as amended per http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.17
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- APPROVED
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- RESOLVED
- 15:09:59 [mischat]
- zakim, +PatH is PatHayes
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- sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+PatH'
- 15:11:07 [mbrunati]
- sorry guys today I'm only via irc, some problems with the audio
- 15:11:14 [ericP]
- ACTION: FabGandon to implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2
- 15:11:14 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-73 - Implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-08-24].
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- +??P29
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- Zakim, ??P29 is me
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- +NickH; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- NickH should now be muted
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- +Souri
- 15:14:16 [ericP]
- ACTION-65: CONTNIUED
- 15:14:16 [trackbot]
- ACTION-65 And Pat to consider what words to add to minimal proposal. notes added
- 15:14:29 [ericP]
- ACTION-66: CONTNIUED
- 15:14:29 [trackbot]
- ACTION-66 Contact Paul notes added
- 15:14:47 [ericP]
- ACTION-67: CONTNIUED
- 15:14:47 [trackbot]
- ACTION-67 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added
- 15:15:07 [ericP]
- ACTION-68: CONTNIUED
- 15:15:07 [trackbot]
- ACTION-68 Review Pierre-A's comments on SPARQL graph store upade protocol notes added
- 15:15:47 [ericP]
- ACTION-69: CONTNIUED
- 15:15:47 [trackbot]
- ACTION-69 Update Turtle issue list to reflect current status notes added
- 15:16:03 [ericP]
- ACTION-70: CONTNIUED
- 15:16:03 [trackbot]
- ACTION-70 Send email to provenance WG chairs about a joint call notes added
- 15:16:08 [ericP]
- ACTION-71: CONTNIUED
- 15:16:09 [trackbot]
- ACTION-71 Email team-prov-chairs@w3.org about joint task force, or something. maybe include RDFa and SPARQL notes added
- 15:17:06 [ericP]
- topic: next telecon
- 15:17:38 [ericP]
- davidwood: i proposed by email that ivan chair a meeting about RDF JSON work
- 15:17:52 [ericP]
- whois tomayac
- 15:18:25 [ericP]
- tomayac: Ian will put the doc in version control and we'll review
- 15:18:41 [ericP]
- ... in 1.5 weeks we should have something to disucss re: JSON
- 15:19:15 [ericP]
- davidwood: does the JSON LD work obviate our need to continue our work?
- 15:19:37 [ericP]
- tomayac: i'm slightly confused about the JSON LD work
- 15:19:50 [manu]
- zakim, code?
- 15:19:50 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu
- 15:20:02 [ericP]
- ... ivan said we'd start with the Talis JSON and proceed to JSON LD
- 15:20:18 [Zakim]
- +??P32
- 15:20:20 [ericP]
- ... progress in the JSON LD task force
- 15:20:24 [manu]
- zakim, I am ??P32
- 15:20:24 [Zakim]
- +manu; got it
- 15:20:54 [manu]
- q+
- 15:21:14 [ericP]
- davidwood: given manu's assertion that JSON LD meets all stated use cases so perhaps we should avoid making a competing spec
- 15:21:31 [ericP]
- manu: i still need to review the RDF JSON use cases
- 15:21:55 [ericP]
- ... some diligence required to confirm the claim that JSON LD work meets all stated use cases
- 15:22:04 [ericP]
- ... should have a document in 2 months
- 15:22:20 [ericP]
- ... (JSON LD)
- 15:22:53 [ericP]
- ... we just need to examine both approaches
- 15:23:09 [gavinc]
- http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/
- 15:23:23 [manu]
- http://json-ld.org/playground/
- 15:23:41 [ericP]
- ... there's a JSON LD playground which shows the choices of input and output
- 15:24:08 [ericP]
- ... shows a set of examples in different JSON representations
- 15:24:22 [ericP]
- ... spec defines the round-trip to RDF/XML
- 15:24:40 [ericP]
- ... the first 20% should be sufficient prep for next week
- 15:25:04 [ericP]
- ... then go ahead and play with the playground
- 15:25:30 [ericP]
- ACTION: manu to send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd
- 15:25:31 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-74 - Send JSON discussion preparation message to public-rdf-wd [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-08-24].
- 15:25:31 [tomayac]
- it was resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2
- 15:25:53 [ericP]
- next telecon: 24 Aug
- 15:25:54 [tomayac]
- from issue 2: "(1) Incubate on something like JSON-LD, (2) make a REC on something like Talis RDF/JSON, and (3) make a Note on current practice stuff like Linked Data API, at FTF1"
- 15:26:06 [ericP]
- topic FTF2 Admin
- 15:26:09 [ericP]
- topic: FTF2 Admin
- 15:26:21 [tomayac]
- ian's and my doc will thus cover (2)
- 15:26:31 [ericP]
- Guus: please fill in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2
- 15:26:59 [ericP]
- cygri: we need UK site decision expected next week
- 15:27:08 [ericP]
- ... would help to know how many folks to expect
- 15:27:14 [NickH]
- If people want to have a meeting in London, then I am sure the BBC can work something out
- 15:27:15 [ericP]
- Guus: i see 4 so far
- 15:27:27 [NickH]
- we have a lot of meeting rooms!
- 15:27:38 [pchampin]
- I didn't update the wiki page yet, but I will only be able to join if there is a european location
- 15:27:39 [gavinc]
- It looked like it was a Europe F2F with a remote at MIT ;)
- 15:27:59 [AndyS]
- OxfordU/comp lab has a setup that works with MIT [no WG member?]
- 15:28:06 [ericP]
- Guus: i can imagine half in UK, half at MIT
- 15:28:21 [ericP]
- topic: Turtle
- 15:28:44 [ericP]
- -> http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9171 Turtle FPWD news item
- 15:28:50 [mischat]
- i had asked soton uni, but it coincided with the "freshers week" which meant that rooms would have been hard to come by
- 15:28:57 [ericP]
- Guus: editors need to monitor the comments list
- 15:29:22 [Zakim]
- -manu
- 15:29:53 [ericP]
- ... someone should mail the semweb lists
- 15:30:07 [ericP]
- gavinc: already one feedback from bob charm
- 15:30:51 [ericP]
- ACTION: Guus to send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD
- 15:30:51 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-75 - Send mail to semantic web and LOD lists requesting feedback on Turtle FPWD [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24].
- 15:31:10 [ericP]
- Guus: if folks want to distribute this more widely, go ahead
- 15:31:51 [ericP]
- gavinc: this WG is not lisverva subscribable
- 15:32:51 [ericP]
- ericP: i don't think we've made DBWG and listserve work together
- 15:33:05 [ericP]
- topic: RDF Concepts
- 15:33:18 [Zakim]
- +tomayac.a
- 15:33:23 [ericP]
- -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html editor's draft
- 15:33:44 [ericP]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Aug/0008.html decision to publish
- 15:33:54 [cygri]
- http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/rdf-concepts-FPWD/rdf-concepts/Overview.html
- 15:33:55 [ericP]
- Guus: are editors still intereted in feedback?
- 15:34:03 [Guus]
- q?
- 15:34:13 [ericP]
- cygri: sure, but i'd say we're good enough to publish now
- 15:34:28 [ericP]
- ... we could pick a date and get to what we can before the pub date
- 15:34:43 [ericP]
- davidwood: i propose we make a transition request
- 15:35:10 [ericP]
- Guus: there are comments, but if you don't want to address them before publication, go ahead
- 15:35:24 [mischat]
- i have gone through the document abstract concept documents too, nothing but minor issues, i will send it round at some point soon
- 15:35:44 [ericP]
- davidwood: i'd like to make the transition request and make changes in parallel
- 15:35:45 [ericP]
- q+
- 15:35:55 [ericP]
- q-
- 15:36:43 [gavinc]
- +q
- 15:37:21 [gavinc]
- -q
- 15:37:30 [ericP]
- ericP: note that the WG is permitting the editors to make changes after the decision to publish
- 15:37:45 [ericP]
- topic: ISSUE-12 language-tagged literals
- 15:38:01 [davidwood]
- Transition request for RDF Concepts to FPWD sent
- 15:38:34 [ericP]
- AndyS: cygri introduced two classes: rdf:text is the current plain literals and langstring, including xsd:string
- 15:39:01 [cygri]
- q+
- 15:39:12 [ericP]
- PatHayes: all seems fine except the open question about whether it's a new datatype
- 15:39:25 [ericP]
- ... i'm happy to make it a datatype; i see it's a small change
- 15:39:38 [mischat]
- ok
- 15:39:38 [cygri]
- q-
- 15:39:45 [ericP]
- ... there are some who see this change as large
- 15:40:13 [gavinc]
- can OWL datatype properties be used with literals without a datatype?
- 15:40:23 [AndyS]
- sorry - will redial
- 15:40:30 [Zakim]
- -AndyS
- 15:40:55 [ericP]
- ... what value do we get out of it being a datatype?
- 15:41:06 [ericP]
- AndyS: principally uniformity
- 15:41:09 [Zakim]
- +??P12
- 15:41:16 [AndyS]
- zakim, ??P12 is me
- 15:41:16 [Zakim]
- +AndyS; got it
- 15:42:02 [ericP]
- AndyS: current datatype of "" or ""@en is an error
- 15:42:04 [cygri]
- q+
- 15:42:36 [AndyS]
- rdf:LangString
- 15:42:38 [ericP]
- PatHayes: i see that as sufficient motivation to make rdf:langString a datatype
- 15:43:02 [ericP]
- cygri: an concearned that this proposal changes the way datatypes work
- 15:43:17 [manu]
- ack manu
- 15:43:19 [Guus]
- q+
- 15:43:26 [AndyS]
- q+
- 15:43:38 [ericP]
- ... lang-tagged string has an atypical lexical form
- 15:43:46 [ericP]
- ... is there a work-around?
- 15:44:22 [ericP]
- ... e.g. say that rdf:langStrings have no lexical to value mapping?
- 15:45:25 [ericP]
- AndyS: a few options:
- 15:45:26 [Guus]
- q?
- 15:45:30 [cygri]
- ackm e
- 15:45:31 [cygri]
- ack me
- 15:45:36 [Guus]
- ack me
- 15:45:42 [Guus]
- ack AndyS
- 15:45:51 [manu]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 15:45:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, davidwood, cygri, MacTed (muted), [Garlik], Scott_Bauer, tomayac, ericP, gavinc, FabGandon, pchampin (muted), zwu2 (muted),
- 15:45:54 [ericP]
- ... cygri's: that there be no valid LtoV for rdf:langStrings
- 15:45:55 [Zakim]
- ... PatH, NickH (muted), Souri, tomayac.a, AndyS
- 15:45:56 [Zakim]
- [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat
- 15:46:40 [ericP]
- ... modify the LtoV, which is parameterized by the datatype. extend the function to take a language parameter
- 15:46:50 [pchampin]
- q+
- 15:47:03 [ericP]
- PatHayes: can say that LtoV operates on a lexical form + a tag
- 15:47:17 [AndyS]
- ack me
- 15:47:28 [Guus]
- ack pchampin
- 15:47:44 [PatHayes]
- very rough sound
- 15:47:59 [PatHayes]
- better
- 15:48:03 [AndyS]
- could you type into IRC?
- 15:48:18 [NickH]
- sorry, can't understand
- 15:48:25 [pchampin]
- sorry
- 15:48:38 [gavinc]
- zakim, mute pchampin
- 15:48:38 [Zakim]
- pchampin should now be muted
- 15:48:43 [pchampin]
- to AndyS's remark: having a valid lexical form makes it cumbersome, see PlainLiteral
- 15:48:56 [PatHayes]
- agree.
- 15:49:15 [pchampin]
- to Pat's remark: using the full lexical form will raise problems with Turtle, which has syntactic sugar for some datatypes
- 15:49:55 [AndyS]
- The lexical part is the string - not encoded (c.f. rdf:PlainLiteral). Add extra info to the process by some means
- 15:50:00 [PatHayes]
- any syntax that can describe tags, can be used unchanged.
- 15:50:00 [ericP]
- cygri: it looks like we have consensus about what we want rdf:langString to look like, but we need to work to implementation details
- 15:50:16 [PatHayes]
- the only change is to the abstract model.
- 15:50:40 [ericP]
- ... this will change the terminology. past changes and these invalidate the term "plain literal"
- 15:50:46 [PatHayes]
- 'plain
- 15:50:58 [PatHayes]
- ' is now a type. no prblem
- 15:51:00 [PatHayes]
- ;-
- 15:51:04 [AndyS]
- I don't think it must change Turtle - it's a mechanism along side short forms like integer or decimal or double.
- 15:51:15 [ericP]
- ... we want to avoid the impression that we've radically changed the language (which i don't believe we have)
- 15:51:19 [AndyS]
- plain literal = rdf:Text
- 15:51:20 [AndyS]
- ??
- 15:51:29 [ericP]
- Guus: you can connect the old terminology to the current form
- 15:51:40 [PatHayes]
- really, this is a storm in a teacup.
- 15:52:22 [PatHayes]
- I could try to summarize the options in an email.
- 15:52:36 [PatHayes]
- I see four so far.
- 15:52:38 [PatHayes]
- yes
- 15:52:51 [ericP]
- ericP: are there any disiderada which help us figure the implementation
- 15:52:52 [PatHayes]
- ok
- 15:53:05 [AndyS]
- Thanks Pat
- 15:53:21 [ericP]
- ACTION: PatHayes to summarize the options
- 15:53:21 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - PatHayes
- 15:53:28 [ericP]
- ACTION: PatH to summarize the options
- 15:53:35 [ericP]
- action -4
- 15:54:07 [ericP]
- Guus: editors will have to look closely at PatHayes's summary
- 15:54:30 [ericP]
- topic: WG priorities before F2F
- 15:55:16 [ericP]
- Guus: which are the highest priority issues?
- 15:55:20 [pchampin]
- +1
- 15:55:20 [ericP]
- ... propose named graphs
- 15:55:37 [ericP]
- cygri: agreed. the rdf:langString seems to be making good progress
- 15:56:25 [ericP]
- davidwood: we're going to have a hard time writing documents and proposing changes to SPARQL until we have nailed down the multi-graph terminology
- 15:56:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-76 - Summarize the options [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-08-24].
- 15:56:37 [trackbot]
- Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
- 15:56:42 [ericP]
- Guus: ok, multi-graph. what else?
- 15:56:58 [ericP]
- cygri: what are the objections against using the SPARQL dataset design?
- 15:57:16 [ericP]
- ... sandro, pchampin, PatHayes aren't happy
- 15:59:31 [cygri]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs/RDF-Datasets-Proposal
- 15:59:47 [ericP]
- ACTION: cygri to add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts
- 15:59:47 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-77 - Add strawman rdf dataset proposal to concepts [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-08-24].
- 16:00:06 [PatHayes]
- Actually, PatH is getting to the point where he almost doesnt care what terminology is used, as long as we settle on something.
- 16:00:07 [AndyS]
- Probably too weak/loose/open/flexible for this WG
- 16:00:19 [ericP]
- Guus: priorities for Turtle?
- 16:00:25 [pchampin]
- @cygri: I have to get up to date with the mailing list (I'm just back from holiday), but I as soon as I'm up to date, I can try to summarize in a mail what makes me unhappy in the SPARQL dataset model
- 16:01:33 [AndyS]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples
- 16:01:48 [ericP]
- gavinc: talking to AndyS yesterday, ericP and I thought that N-Triples would be going into the Turtle doc
- 16:02:00 [ericP]
- ... but apparently there was a WG decision to publish separately?
- 16:02:57 [ericP]
- Guus: there are many motivations to publish separately
- 16:03:37 [cygri]
- gavinc, i'm pretty sure there wasn't any resolution on this yet. discussion but no resolution. discussion is in the F2F1 minutes, day1+day2
- 16:03:56 [ericP]
- ... but no cost to start with it as an appendix
- 16:04:57 [ericP]
- ACTION: ericP to add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F
- 16:04:57 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-78 - Add http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Documents#N-Triples content as an appendix to Turtle editor's draft before F2F [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-08-24].
- 16:05:28 [FabGandon]
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- -FabGandon
- 16:06:03 [ericP]
- Guus: JSON work will be discussed next week. priority discussion deferred 'till then
- 16:06:42 [ericP]
- ... is it worth starting on the semantics document?
- 16:07:03 [ericP]
- PatHayes: we could start in parallel noting that terminology will shift
- 16:07:15 [ericP]
- pfps, agreed?
- 16:09:02 [ericP]
- Guus: we have separate editors listed for N-Triples
- 16:09:13 [ericP]
- ... which means they are likely to comment on gavinc's draft
- 16:09:30 [ericP]
- ... i think that the primer is good to write near the end
- 16:09:41 [ericP]
- PatHayes: propose we gather examples
- 16:10:38 [ericP]
- ACTION: Guus to discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F
- 16:10:38 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-79 - Discuss with FabGandon about where to put examples and what to do with primary before F2F [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-08-24].
- 16:10:57 [ericP]
- Guus: leave Trig and quad syntax for later?
- 16:11:12 [ericP]
- ... leave RDF/XML for later?
- 16:11:13 [PatHayes]
- i have to leave soon. Andy, can you email me the current plain/lang literal terminology?
- 16:11:24 [ericP]
- davidwood: we're motivated to touch RDF/XML only once
- 16:11:58 [ericP]
- ADJOURNED
- 16:12:03 [AndyS]
- Richard - do you want to let PatH know your current state on terminology? I'll resend email he may have lost
- 16:12:30 [Zakim]
- -PatH
- 16:12:42 [AndyS]
- Regrets for next week.
- 16:12:50 [pchampin]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html
- 16:12:53 [cygri]
- AndyS, ok i'll do that
- 16:12:56 [pchampin]
- here is the link
- 16:13:00 [Zakim]
- -davidwood
- 16:13:04 [Zakim]
- -[Garlik]
- 16:13:09 [cygri]
- ericP, http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=rdf-wg&go=Use+This+Group
- 16:13:11 [cygri]
- start there
- 16:13:11 [Zakim]
- -Souri
- 16:13:13 [Zakim]
- -MacTed
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- -AndyS
- 16:13:19 [Zakim]
- -zwu2
- 16:13:20 [Zakim]
- -Scott_Bauer
- 16:13:20 [Zakim]
- -cygri
- 16:13:51 [ericP]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:13:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/17-rdf-wg-minutes.html ericP
- 16:14:52 [pchampin]
- Eric, the steps are clearly stated there: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html
- 16:15:07 [Zakim]
- -Peter_Patel-Schneider
- 16:15:53 [gavinc]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Chatlog_2011-08-17
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- -ericP
- 16:25:10 [Zakim]
- - +20598aaaa
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- -NickH
- 17:31:39 [Zakim]
- -tomayac
- 17:36:40 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, tomayac.a, in SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
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- SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were AndyS, +20598aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, cygri, davidwood, MacTed, tomayac, SteveH, mischat, Scott_Bauer, ericP, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, pchampin, zwu2, FabGandon,
- 17:36:48 [Zakim]
- ... PatH, NickH, Souri, manu
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- 19:52:35 [domel]
- Interesting SW community group http://www.w3.org/community/unctsw/
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