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14:23:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:23:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394 ←
14:23:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 37 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 37 minutes ←
14:23:26 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:23:26 <trackbot> Date: 27 April 2011
14:23:32 <ivan> Chair: Guus
14:53:44 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
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14:53:51 <Zakim> + +1.760.705.aaaa - is perhaps Ronald
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.760.705.aaaa - is perhaps Ronald ←
14:54:04 <AZ> +1.760.705.aaaa, is me
Antoine Zimmermann: +1.760.705.aaaa, is me ←
14:54:27 <dwood4> Mini regrets - I'm on another call and may be a few minutes late.
David Wood: Mini regrets - I'm on another call and may be a few minutes late. ←
14:54:53 <Zakim> +Scott
Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott ←
14:57:01 <Zakim> +Jerome
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jerome ←
14:57:19 <FabGandon> Zakim, Jerome is me
Fabien Gandon: Zakim, Jerome is me ←
14:57:19 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it ←
14:57:21 <AZ> zkim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zkim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me ←
14:57:27 <AZ> zakim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me ←
14:57:27 <Zakim> sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '+1.760.705.aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '+1.760.705.aaaa' ←
14:57:36 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
14:57:49 <AZ> zakim, 1.760.705.aaaa is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, 1.760.705.aaaa is me ←
14:57:49 <Zakim> sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '1.760.705.aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '1.760.705.aaaa' ←
14:58:04 <AZ> zakim, Ronald is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, Ronald is me ←
14:58:04 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
14:58:20 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:58:30 <Zakim> +danbri
Zakim IRC Bot: +danbri ←
14:58:31 <mischat> zakim, +P13 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, +P13 is me ←
14:58:31 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+P13'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+P13' ←
14:58:44 <mischat> zakim, ??P13 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
14:58:44 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it ←
14:58:48 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
14:58:48 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
14:59:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:59:18 <webr3> Zakim, i am IPcaller
Nathan Rixham: Zakim, i am IPcaller ←
14:59:18 <Zakim> ok, webr3, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, webr3, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:59:51 <Guus> richard: are you ready to scribe?
Richard Cyganiak: are you ready to scribe? [ Scribe Assist by Guus Schreiber ] ←
15:00:17 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:00:17 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:00:18 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:00:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
15:00:34 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
15:00:43 <mbrunati> zakim, IPCaller.a is me
Matteo Brunati: zakim, IPCaller.a is me ←
15:00:43 <Zakim> +mbrunati; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mbrunati; got it ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> +gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc ←
15:01:15 <Zakim> +tomayac
Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac ←
15:01:18 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see AZ, Scott, FabGandon, Peter_Patel-Schneider, mischat (muted), danbri, [IPcaller], OlivierCorby, Ivan, mbrunati, gavinc, tomayac, yvesr, NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AZ, Scott, FabGandon, Peter_Patel-Schneider, mischat (muted), danbri, [IPcaller], OlivierCorby, Ivan, mbrunati, gavinc, tomayac, yvesr, NickH ←
15:01:19 <Zakim> +AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall ←
15:01:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
15:01:32 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller.a is me ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:01:39 <OlivierCorby> pass code 73394 is rejected by phone number 04 26 46 79 03, had to call UK number
Olivier Corby: pass code 73394 is rejected by phone number 04 26 46 79 03, had to call UK number ←
15:01:40 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:01:44 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:01:45 <ww> zakim, ??P2 is me
William Waites: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
15:01:52 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:01:58 <Zakim> +ww; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ww; got it ←
15:01:59 <ww> zakim, mute me
William Waites: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:02 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
15:02:04 <Zakim> +yvesr, NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr, NickH; got it ←
15:02:10 <Zakim> ww should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ww should now be muted ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> +David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: +David_Wood ←
15:02:33 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:36 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:02:51 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:03:37 <AndyS> me was alt last week
Andy Seaborne: me was alt last week ←
15:03:45 <AndyS> Sure -
Andy Seaborne: Sure - ←
15:03:52 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
15:04:21 <AndyS> topic: admin
15:04:22 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
15:04:42 <pfps> Minutes F2F look fine now.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes F2F look fine now. ←
15:04:48 <Zakim> + +1.760.705.aabb - is perhaps AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.760.705.aabb - is perhaps AZ ←
15:04:54 <AndyS> Minutes of F2F:
Minutes of F2F: ←
15:04:55 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-13
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-13 ←
15:04:58 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-14
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-14 ←
15:05:15 <ivan> second
Ivan Herman: second ←
15:05:16 <AndyS> Proposed to accept ...
Proposed to accept ... ←
15:05:24 <mischat> +1 to accept
Mischa Tuffield: +1 to accept ←
15:05:25 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
15:05:27 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:05:29 <mbrunati> +1
Matteo Brunati: +1 ←
15:05:30 <tomayac> +1
Thomas Steiner: +1 ←
15:05:31 <dwood4> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:05:36 <AndyS> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the F2F (both days)
RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the F2F (both days) ←
15:05:47 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
15:05:58 <dwood4> Zakim, who is talking?
David Wood: Zakim, who is talking? ←
15:05:59 <pfps> Minutes last week look fine also.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes last week look fine also. ←
15:06:06 <dwood4> seconded
David Wood: seconded ←
15:06:07 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:06:08 <Zakim> +??P46
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P46 ←
15:06:09 <AndyS> Minutes of last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-20
Minutes of last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-20 ←
15:06:10 <Zakim> dwood4, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (28%), danbri (24%), gavinc (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: dwood4, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (28%), danbri (24%), gavinc (9%) ←
15:06:27 <gavinc> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:06:27 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted ←
15:06:30 <AndyS> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of TC 2011-04-20
RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of TC 2011-04-20 ←
15:06:35 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
15:06:40 <SteveH_> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
15:06:40 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH_; got it ←
15:06:47 <AZ> zakim, mute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←
15:06:47 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted ←
15:06:49 <AndyS> subtopic: Actions mgt
15:07:30 <sandro> close action-27
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-27 ←
15:07:30 <trackbot> ACTION-27 Make sure the resolution to issue-12 gets into semantics document closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-27 Make sure the resolution to ISSUE-12 gets into semantics document closed ←
15:07:37 <sandro> action-28?
15:07:37 <trackbot> ACTION-28 -- Steve Harris to make sure issue-12 resolution gets to SPARQL -- due 2011-04-20 -- CLOSED
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-28 -- Steve Harris to make sure ISSUE-12 resolution gets to SPARQL -- due 2011-04-20 -- CLOSED ←
15:07:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/28
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/28 ←
15:07:47 <sandro> action-30?
15:07:47 <trackbot> ACTION-30 -- Guus Schreiber to put issue-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" -- due 2011-04-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30 -- Guus Schreiber to put ISSUE-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" -- due 2011-04-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
15:07:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/30
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/30 ←
15:07:52 <sandro> close action-30
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-30 ←
15:07:52 <trackbot> ACTION-30 Put issue-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30 Put ISSUE-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" closed ←
15:08:02 <sandro> action-36?
15:08:02 <trackbot> ACTION-36 -- Guus Schreiber to ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics -- due 2011-04-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-36 -- Guus Schreiber to ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics -- due 2011-04-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
15:08:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/36
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/36 ←
15:08:15 <sandro> close action-36
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-36 ←
15:08:15 <trackbot> ACTION-36 Ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-36 Ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics closed ←
15:08:36 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:08:44 <sandro> action-25?
15:08:44 <trackbot> ACTION-25 -- Richard Cyganiak to write up the different options re ISSUE-15 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-25 -- Richard Cyganiak to write up the different options re ISSUE-15 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN ←
15:08:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/25
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/25 ←
15:08:47 <AndyS> Open issues progress ...
Open issues progress ... ←
15:08:58 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kingsley_Idehen ←
15:09:06 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software ←
15:09:08 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it ←
15:09:13 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:09:13 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:09:15 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:09:15 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:09:19 <sandro> action-26?
15:09:19 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of action-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of ACTION-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN ←
15:09:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26 ←
15:09:28 <sandro> action-32?
15:09:28 <trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Sandro Hawke to make public-rdf-json@w3.org -- due 2011-04-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Sandro Hawke to make public-rdf-json@w3.org -- due 2011-04-20 -- OPEN ←
15:09:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/32
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/32 ←
15:09:33 <sandro> close action-32
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-32 ←
15:09:33 <trackbot> ACTION-32 Make public-rdf-json@w3.org closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 Make public-rdf-json@w3.org closed ←
15:09:55 <sandro> action-33?
15:09:55 <trackbot> ACTION-33 -- Dan Brickley to danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2011-08-21 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-33 -- Dan Brickley to danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2011-08-21 -- OPEN ←
15:09:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33 ←
15:10:27 <AndyS> Danbri suggests setting up a test area
Danbri suggests setting up a test area ←
15:10:37 <danbri_> ok queued for later re editorial work: cvs/svn or (tada!) mercurial
Dan Brickley: ok queued for later re editorial work: cvs/svn or (tada!) mercurial ←
15:10:47 <sandro> action-39?
15:10:47 <trackbot> ACTION-39 -- Sandro Hawke to look at respec's handling of references -- due 2011-04-21 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-39 -- Sandro Hawke to look at respec's handling of references -- due 2011-04-21 -- OPEN ←
15:10:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/39
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/39 ←
15:11:26 <AndyS> Mailing list is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/
Mailing list is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/ ←
15:12:14 <AndyS> Sandro: need experts on respec
Sandro Hawke: need experts on respec ←
15:12:50 <AndyS> Guus: volunteers to investigate choices -- respec, wiki text
Guus Schreiber: volunteers to investigate choices -- respec, wiki text ←
15:13:02 <gavinc> Sure why not
Gavin Carothers: Sure why not ←
15:13:07 <AndyS> dwood4: Opportunity !
David Wood: Opportunity ! ←
15:13:11 <ww> i'll help too
William Waites: i'll help too ←
15:13:17 <pchampin> I'd like to help as well
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'd like to help as well ←
15:14:05 <AndyS> sandro: unfamiliar with respec. OWL2 used wiki mechanism
Sandro Hawke: unfamiliar with respec. OWL2 used wiki mechanism ←
15:14:20 <AndyS> ... can help with wiki, have not used respec
... can help with wiki, have not used respec ←
15:14:23 <pchampin> It has been used by the media-annotation WG as well
Pierre-Antoine Champin: It has been used by the media-annotation WG as well ←
15:14:28 <pchampin> it = respect
Pierre-Antoine Champin: it = respec ←
15:14:36 <pchampin> I can ask them about it as well
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I can ask them about it as well ←
15:14:40 <sandro> s/respect/respec/
15:14:41 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:14:41 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:15:17 <gavinc> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html ?
Gavin Carothers: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html ? ←
15:15:42 <mischat> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html
Mischa Tuffield: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html ←
15:15:52 <mischat> http://berjon.com/slides/20091104-respec/_respec.html <-- some slides
Mischa Tuffield: http://berjon.com/slides/20091104-respec/_respec.html <-- some slides ←
15:15:57 <AndyS> ivan: respec: javascript based. Edit HTML doc, with scripts, format for W3C e.g. status, boilerplate,
Ivan Herman: respec: javascript based. Edit HTML doc, with scripts, format for W3C e.g. status, boilerplate, ←
15:16:10 <AndyS> ... javascript to modify benehaviour
... javascript to modify benehaviour ←
15:16:25 <AndyS> ... generates pure HTML5 (pub form has no scripts)
... generates pure HTML5 (pub form has no scripts) ←
15:16:49 <AndyS> ... references: one big javascript file for refs for all W3C docs.
... references: one big javascript file for refs for all W3C docs. ←
15:16:59 <pfps> a big problem with the Wiki solution was performing edits while off line - is this also a problem with respec?
Peter Patel-Schneider: a big problem with the Wiki solution was performing edits while off line - is this also a problem with respec? ←
15:17:08 <AndyS> ... possible to have WG level DB for refs/drafts
... possible to have WG level DB for refs/drafts ←
15:18:18 <AndyS> ... missing - cross link to anchors in drafts. javascript coding needed to automate.
... missing - cross link to anchors in drafts. javascript coding needed to automate. ←
15:18:34 <AndyS> ... +ve: HTML - edit in HTML
... +ve: HTML - edit in HTML ←
15:18:45 <AndyS> ... browser with javascript
... browser with javascript ←
15:19:25 <AndyS> ... offline - edit locally works - scripts local
... offline - edit locally works - scripts local ←
15:19:38 <AndyS> sandro: how can I experiment with it?
Sandro Hawke: how can I experiment with it? ←
15:19:48 <AndyS> ivan: it's own doc is an example
Ivan Herman: it's own doc is an example ←
15:20:15 <AndyS> ivan: it's not an editor - its format support.
Ivan Herman: it's not an editor - its format support. ←
15:20:25 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:20:28 <AndyS> Guus: thanks for explaination
Guus Schreiber: thanks for explaination ←
15:20:29 <ww> i was actually looking for something like that earlier today
William Waites: i was actually looking for something like that earlier today ←
15:20:44 <AndyS> sandro: Conversion tools?
Sandro Hawke: Conversion tools? ←
15:20:59 <AndyS> ivan: no. Need section element of HTML5 and so get TOC
Ivan Herman: no. Need section element of HTML5 and so get TOC ←
15:21:11 <gavinc> uses the outline HTML5 method as well
Gavin Carothers: uses the outline HTML5 method as well ←
15:21:17 <pfps> I think that we should be OK wrt <section> as respec maps <hn> appropriately.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that we should be OK wrt <section> as respec maps <hn> appropriately. ←
15:21:43 <AndyS> One time pain to convert
One time pain to convert ←
15:21:44 <pchampin> and converting html4 to html5 seems easier than html4 to wiki...
Pierre-Antoine Champin: and converting html4 to html5 seems easier than html4 to wiki... ←
15:22:02 <AndyS> action-40?
15:22:02 <trackbot> ACTION-40 -- Mischa Tuffield to look into soton video conf facilities -- due 2011-04-27 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-40 -- Mischa Tuffield to look into soton video conf facilities -- due 2011-04-27 -- OPEN ←
15:22:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/40
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/40 ←
15:22:03 <mischat> yup, southampton are in theory happy
Mischa Tuffield: yup, southampton are in theory happy ←
15:22:07 <mischat> it is up to us
Mischa Tuffield: it is up to us ←
15:22:17 <sandro> close action-40
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-40 ←
15:22:17 <trackbot> ACTION-40 Look into soton video conf facilities closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-40 Look into soton video conf facilities closed ←
15:22:26 <AndyS> topic: F2F2
15:23:59 <AndyS> Guus: Not much change from last week in poll results
Guus Schreiber: Not much change from last week in poll results ←
15:24:10 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:24:23 <AndyS> ... there 4 F2F for the WG
... there 4 F2F for the WG ←
15:24:41 <AndyS> ... split to be fair to all
... split to be fair to all ←
15:25:02 <AndyS> ... west, east, EU, ?
... west, east, EU, ? ←
15:25:12 <AndyS> ... Ivan can make west coast dates only
... Ivan can make west coast dates only ←
15:25:40 <AndyS> ivan: sandro can make the East coast dates
Ivan Herman: sandro can make the East coast dates ←
15:26:06 <AndyS> ... linked to RDB2RDF , RDF web apps
... linked to RDB2RDF , RDF web apps ←
15:26:16 <AndyS> ... RDB2RDF - TPAC ??
... RDB2RDF - TPAC ?? ←
15:26:31 <AndyS> ... RDF web apps - many invited experts so cost issus
... RDF web apps - many invited experts so cost issus ←
15:27:02 <AndyS> Guus: if video link, east coast location is better
Guus Schreiber: if video link, east coast location is better ←
15:27:12 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:27:12 <zwu2> can we change the date for the East coast?
Zhe Wu: can we change the date for the East coast? ←
15:27:43 <mischat> I like the idea of east coast + video link
Mischa Tuffield: I like the idea of east coast + video link ←
15:27:57 <mischat> southampton can host it
Mischa Tuffield: southampton can host it ←
15:28:01 <AndyS> ... weak case for TPAC currently, go East Coast, aim to go West coast for future US F2F
... weak case for TPAC currently, go East Coast, aim to go West coast for future US F2F ←
15:28:23 <yvesr> mischat, +1
Yves Raimond: mischat, +1 ←
15:28:25 <gavinc> mmm, it's 1 person, not 2 or 3
Gavin Carothers: mmm, it's 1 person, not 2 or 3 ←
15:28:37 <webr3> mischat, +1 here too
Nathan Rixham: mischat, +1 here too ←
15:29:12 <zwu2> can we swap East coast date with West coast date?
Zhe Wu: can we swap East coast date with West coast date? ←
15:29:19 <zwu2> yes
15:29:21 <mischat> zakim, who is making noise ?
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, who is making noise ? ←
15:29:32 <Zakim> mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: danbri (96%), Sandro (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: danbri (96%), Sandro (4%) ←
15:29:34 <sandro> No, zwu2
Sandro Hawke: No, zwu2 ←
15:29:41 <zwu2> yes
15:29:52 <zwu2> Oracle has a conference that week
Zhe Wu: Oracle has a conference that week ←
15:30:09 <gavinc> Boston prefered to Murray Hill as well
Gavin Carothers: Boston prefered to Murray Hill as well ←
15:30:10 <AndyS> Results are at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/RDFWGFTF2/results
Results are at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/RDFWGFTF2/results ←
15:30:59 <AndyS> Ivan: budget issues - EU link would help
Ivan Herman: budget issues - EU link would help ←
15:32:12 <NickH> UK satellite would work well for me and yvesr
Nicholas Humfrey: UK satellite would work well for me and yvesr ←
15:33:00 <pchampin> it would be easier for me as well
Pierre-Antoine Champin: it would be easier for me as well ←
15:33:35 <AndyS> (much discussion about alternative date possibilities)
(much discussion about alternative date possibilities) ←
15:34:35 <sandro> Proposed: F2F2 US/East Oct 11-12
PROPOSED: F2F2 US/East Oct 11-12 ←
15:34:53 <zwu2> Oct 11-12 is fine for me
Zhe Wu: Oct 11-12 is fine for me ←
15:34:58 <pfps> That week (Canadian Thanksgiving) is not ideal for me.
Peter Patel-Schneider: That week (Canadian Thanksgiving) is not ideal for me. ←
15:35:08 <AndyS> 9 days before ISWC
9 days before ISWC ←
15:36:45 <gavinc> Canadian Thanksgiving
Gavin Carothers: Canadian Thanksgiving ←
15:37:03 <sandro> new poll - oct 4-5 vs oct 12-13,
Sandro Hawke: new poll - oct 4-5 vs oct 12-13, ←
15:37:11 <AndyS> Guus: new poll: two choices: in oct, East Coast
Guus Schreiber: new poll: two choices: in oct, East Coast ←
15:37:22 <AndyS> video conf facilities?
video conf facilities? ←
15:37:35 <mischat> i wonder if a video link up is going to be on the table
Mischa Tuffield: i wonder if a video link up is going to be on the table ←
15:37:38 <mischat> ?
Mischa Tuffield: ? ←
15:37:48 <gavinc> Cambridge has lots of hotels.
Gavin Carothers: Cambridge has lots of hotels. ←
15:39:03 <AndyS> Do we know the numbers at each end roughly?
Do we know the numbers at each end roughly? ←
15:39:29 <AndyS> pfps: Our best room holds 110 - too big for practical purposes?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Our best room holds 110 - too big for practical purposes? ←
15:39:46 <AndyS> sandro: who would go where?
Sandro Hawke: who would go where? ←
15:39:54 <AndyS> Guus: will add to poll
Guus Schreiber: will add to poll ←
15:39:59 <sandro> guus, ask another question about who would be where, if we do a video link.
Sandro Hawke: guus, ask another question about who would be where, if we do a video link. ←
15:40:37 <sandro> action: guus to set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13.
ACTION: guus to set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13. ←
15:40:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-05-04].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-41 - Set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-05-04]. ←
15:41:10 <AndyS> Topic: list discussion
15:41:33 <AndyS> Guus: pls us WG list for WG work mainly - general discussions to general lists
Guus Schreiber: pls us WG list for WG work mainly - general discussions to general lists ←
15:42:23 <AndyS> topic: Reconcile various forms of string literals
15:42:27 <AndyS> Issue-12?
15:42:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open ←
15:42:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12 ←
15:43:09 <AndyS> ivan: I raised the issue to make sure it got done.
Ivan Herman: I raised the issue to make sure it got done. ←
15:43:22 <AndyS> ... pfps suggests this is a non-issue
... pfps suggests this is a non-issue ←
15:44:13 <AndyS> pfps: It it not a non-issue - semantics says xsd:string are same as plain literals no lang tag
Peter Patel-Schneider: It it not a non-issue - semantics says xsd:string are same as plain literals no lang tag ←
15:44:28 <pfps> s/it it/it is/
Peter Patel-Schneider: s/it it/it is/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:44:32 <AZ> +q
Antoine Zimmermann: +q ←
15:44:33 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:44:48 <AZ> zakim, unmute
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, unmute ←
15:44:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', AZ ←
15:44:51 <AndyS> ivan: F2F1 was that simple literals preferred
Ivan Herman: F2F1 was that simple literals preferred ←
15:44:56 <AndyS> ... some push back
... some push back ←
15:45:05 <mischat> zakime, unmute AZ
Mischa Tuffield: zakime, unmute AZ ←
15:45:06 <AZ> zakim, unmute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, unmute me ←
15:45:06 <Zakim> AZ should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should no longer be muted ←
15:45:52 <AndyS> ... status is that F2F resolution has some -1's
... status is that F2F resolution has some -1's ←
15:45:57 <AndyS> Guus: where are we?
Guus Schreiber: where are we? ←
15:46:48 <AndyS> AZ: my prob with resolution is "archaic" means "do not use" but I want to use in rdfs:range.
Antoine Zimmermann: my prob with resolution is "archaic" means "do not use" but I want to use in rdfs:range. ←
15:47:04 <AZ> "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to plain literals without language tag."
Antoine Zimmermann: "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to plain literals without language tag." ←
15:47:10 <AndyS> ... I think that archaic suggest don't do that.
... I think that archaic suggest don't do that. ←
15:47:18 <AndyS> ... (suggests text)
... (suggests text) ←
15:47:32 <LeeF> q+
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ ←
15:47:35 <sandro> Yes, agreed -- the intention was this -- it wasn't about disallowing xs:string as a range constraint
Sandro Hawke: Yes, agreed -- the intention was this -- it wasn't about disallowing xs:string as a range constraint ←
15:47:37 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
15:47:41 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:47:53 <ivan> ack AZ
Ivan Herman: ack AZ ←
15:48:23 <AndyS> LeeF: Want range thing and SPARQL datatype is already xsd:string
Lee Feigenbaum: Want range thing and SPARQL datatype is already xsd:string ←
15:48:28 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:48:32 <ivan> ack LeeF
Ivan Herman: ack LeeF ←
15:48:37 <AndyS> ... goal of align is desirable
... goal of align is desirable ←
15:48:46 <sandro> lee: I want the sparql DATATYPE function to return xs:string on these things, but it might already be.
Lee Feigenbaum: I want the sparql DATATYPE function to return xs:string on these things, but it might already be. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:49:10 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
15:49:37 <pfps> The datatype rdf:PlainLiteral is bigger than xsd:string
Peter Patel-Schneider: The datatype rdf:PlainLiteral is bigger than xsd:string ←
15:49:42 <AndyS> ivan: rdf:PlainLiteral usable?
Ivan Herman: rdf:PlainLiteral usable? ←
15:49:53 <AndyS> sandro: No - includes language tage
Sandro Hawke: No - includes language tage ←
15:50:06 <AZ> "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to plain literals without language tag."
Antoine Zimmermann: "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to plain literals without language tag." ←
15:50:13 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#func-datatype -- it is the case that datatype("foo") = xsd:string
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#func-datatype -- it is the case that datatype("foo") = xsd:string ←
15:50:27 <yvesr> AZ, +1
Yves Raimond: AZ, +1 ←
15:50:34 <LeeF> q+
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ ←
15:50:47 <ivan> ack LeeF
Ivan Herman: ack LeeF ←
15:50:53 <AndyS> Guus: please propose on the list
Guus Schreiber: please propose on the list ←
15:51:08 <AndyS> LeeF: need to check experts in CSI
Lee Feigenbaum: need to check experts in CSI ←
15:51:19 <pchampin> q+ to ask ask a clarification
Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to ask ask a clarification ←
15:51:25 <AndyS> Guus: One week on the list, bring to WG next week.
Guus Schreiber: One week on the list, bring to WG next week. ←
15:51:51 <AndyS> action: AZ Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings
ACTION: AZ Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings ←
15:51:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2011-05-04].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-42 - Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2011-05-04]. ←
15:52:12 <pchampin> q-
15:52:13 <AZ> zakim, mute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←
15:52:13 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted ←
15:52:19 <webr3> issue-34?
15:52:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Do we need to add syntactic sugar to turtle, beyond what's in the Submission (such as inverse paths and =)? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Do we need to add syntactic sugar to turtle, beyond what's in the Submission (such as inverse paths and =)? -- open ←
15:52:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/34
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/34 ←
15:52:30 <AndyS> topic: syntactic sugar to turtle
15:52:52 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:53:25 <Danbri> Q+ to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally?
Dan Brickley: Q+ to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally? ←
15:53:36 <AndyS> Guus: Please phrase as proposal then bring to TC next week
Guus Schreiber: Please phrase as proposal then bring to TC next week ←
15:53:47 <Guus> ack danbri
Guus Schreiber: ack danbri ←
15:53:47 <Zakim> Danbri, you wanted to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally?
Zakim IRC Bot: Danbri, you wanted to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally? ←
15:53:51 <AndyS> danbri: SPARQL paths?
Dan Brickley: SPARQL paths? ←
15:54:05 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
15:54:07 <yvesr> Danbri, I mentioned that at the f2f, consensus was to not do it i think
Yves Raimond: Danbri, I mentioned that at the f2f, consensus was to not do it i think ←
15:54:12 <SteveH> propose - "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission"
Steve Harris: propose - "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission" ←
15:54:26 <yvesr> Danbri, although i see the point and why it could be useful
Yves Raimond: Danbri, although i see the point and why it could be useful ←
15:54:34 <AndyS> steveH: paths only in SPARQL where clause
Steve Harris: paths only in SPARQL where clause ←
15:54:45 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
15:54:58 <yvesr> yep
Yves Raimond: yep ←
15:55:05 <pchampin> and what about '*' paths :-/
Pierre-Antoine Champin: and what about '*' paths :-/ ←
15:55:06 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:55:08 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:55:17 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:55:17 <mischat> AndyS: if you wanted to add the paths to turtle, there would be issues re: bnodes
Andy Seaborne: if you wanted to add the paths to turtle, there would be issues re: bnodes [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ] ←
15:55:18 <AndyS> AndyS: need to decide what intermediate nodes are
Andy Seaborne: need to decide what intermediate nodes are ←
15:55:22 <AndyS> q-
q- ←
15:55:32 <AndyS> Guus: any more input?
Guus Schreiber: any more input? ←
15:55:37 <ivan> second it
Ivan Herman: second it ←
15:55:55 <mischat> any objections to the proposal
Mischa Tuffield: any objections to the proposal ←
15:56:00 <mischat> ?
Mischa Tuffield: ? ←
15:56:21 <AndyS> RESOLVED: "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission"
RESOLVED: "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission" ←
15:56:37 <Danbri> I would be interested to hear more re paths, but maybe off wg list for now
Dan Brickley: I would be interested to hear more re paths, but maybe off wg list for now ←
15:56:54 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close issue-34 without adding any features (syntactic sugar) to Turtle over what is in the submission
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-34 without adding any features (syntactic sugar) to Turtle over what is in the submission ←
15:57:15 <AndyS> topic: Turtle and SPARQL-WG LC timing
15:57:17 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
15:57:27 <cygri_> zakim, mhausenblas is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is me ←
15:57:27 <Zakim> +cygri_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri_; got it ←
15:57:46 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Apr/0470.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Apr/0470.html ←
15:57:59 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:58:14 <AndyS> LeeF: SPARQL-WG has decided to make 18. change inc fix tests
Lee Feigenbaum: SPARQL-WG has decided to make 18. change inc fix tests ←
15:58:46 <AndyS> ... so now is the Turtle features going to change (see email for diffs)
... so now is the Turtle features going to change (see email for diffs) ←
15:59:17 <AndyS> See - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle
See - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle ←
15:59:45 <AndyS> sandro: could put "at risk" so end of LC is latest to resolve
Sandro Hawke: could put "at risk" so end of LC is latest to resolve ←
16:00:08 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:00:10 <AndyS> LeeF: OK but not favorite - many items - confusing
Lee Feigenbaum: OK but not favorite - many items - confusing ←
16:01:07 <Zakim> +??P49
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P49 ←
16:01:34 <Zakim> +yvesr, NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr, NickH; got it ←
16:01:43 <sandro> AndyS: Of the difference on the wiki page I did, probably the biggest is freestanding bnode property lists
Andy Seaborne: Of the difference on the wiki page I did, probably the biggest is freestanding bnode property lists [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:01:45 <mischat> Guus: what are the main issues this wg will have in terms of syncing with turtle
Guus Schreiber: what are the main issues this wg will have in terms of syncing with turtle [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ] ←
16:01:56 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
16:02:11 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#bNode_property_lists
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#bNode_property_lists ←
16:02:11 <sandro> sandro: how to move forward on this, Andy?
Sandro Hawke: how to move forward on this, Andy? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:02:38 <sandro> AndyS: Two options -- publish turtle exactly matching sparql, or adopt principle of aligning them
Andy Seaborne: Two options -- publish turtle exactly matching sparql, or adopt principle of aligning them [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:03:12 <gavinc> Prefer the 2nd to the first?
Gavin Carothers: Prefer the 2nd to the first? ←
16:03:16 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: We agree in principle to align TURTLE and SPARQL
STRAWPOLL: We agree in principle to align TURTLE and SPARQL ←
16:03:17 <zwu2> +1 to consistency
16:03:23 <AndyS> +1
+1 ←
16:03:26 <sandro> guus: no one speaking against it
Guus Schreiber: no one speaking against it [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:03:26 <dwood4> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:03:32 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
16:03:32 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:03:33 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
16:03:34 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
16:03:37 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:03:38 <pchampin> +1
16:03:39 <Danbri> If we do leave wiggle room between the specs, we can also include notes on the subtle differences in our spec
Dan Brickley: If we do leave wiggle room between the specs, we can also include notes on the subtle differences in our spec ←
16:03:39 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:03:41 <mbrunati> +1
Matteo Brunati: +1 ←
16:03:49 <Danbri> +1
Dan Brickley: +1 ←
16:03:50 <cygri> +1 to consistency, but still requires case-by-case consideration
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to consistency, but still requires case-by-case consideration ←
16:03:50 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:04:14 <FabGandon> +1
Fabien Gandon: +1 ←
16:04:18 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
16:04:20 <sandro> AndyS: I'm not sure of the state of current implementations on these corner cases.
Andy Seaborne: I'm not sure of the state of current implementations on these corner cases. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:04:29 <LeeF> I'd like that the default state be "align Turtle to SPARQL", and that there have to be a strong technical compelling case in order to go in the other direction
Lee Feigenbaum: I'd like that the default state be "align Turtle to SPARQL", and that there have to be a strong technical compelling case in order to go in the other direction ←
16:04:56 <sandro> AndyS: I'd be happy to remove free-standing lists from SPARQL
Andy Seaborne: I'd be happy to remove free-standing lists from SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:05:36 <sandro> guus: So, there might be some detailed features at risk, but they are pretty well aligned so far
Guus Schreiber: So, there might be some detailed features at risk, but they are pretty well aligned so far [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:05:52 <sandro> guus: So, do you want us to put these on a priority list?
Guus Schreiber: So, do you want us to put these on a priority list? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:06:02 <sandro> AndyS: I'd rather NOT go through them feature-by-feature.
Andy Seaborne: I'd rather NOT go through them feature-by-feature. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:06:26 <AndyS> +1 to LeeF "compelling" case needed
+1 to LeeF "compelling" case needed ←
16:06:48 <dwood4> +1 to needing a compelling case to diviate
David Wood: +1 to needing a compelling case to diviate ←
16:06:58 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
16:06:59 <sandro> sandro: Is the proposal that SPARQL last call (next week) is last call for any changes to TURTLE???
Sandro Hawke: Is the proposal that SPARQL last call (next week) is last call for any changes to TURTLE??? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:07:14 <Danbri> Zakim, who is on the call
Dan Brickley: Zakim, who is on the call ←
16:07:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', Danbri
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', Danbri ←
16:07:20 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
16:07:40 <sandro> AndyS: That would be nice, but that's not it.
Andy Seaborne: That would be nice, but that's not it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:07:55 <sandro> guus: The spirit is to align them
Guus Schreiber: The spirit is to align them [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:08:34 <sandro> ivan: I understand the freestanding list, the bnode brackets, I have no problem deciding now that TURTLE should adopt those and move on. I fail to grasp the backslash-u issue.
Ivan Herman: I understand the freestanding list, the bnode brackets, I have no problem deciding now that TURTLE should adopt those and move on. I fail to grasp the backslash-u issue. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:08:47 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#Escape_Processing
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#Escape_Processing ←
16:09:43 <sandro> AndyS: SPARQL and TURTLE have an escape mechanism that works slightly differently, in addition Eric is proposing adding them to prefix names.
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL and TURTLE have an escape mechanism that works slightly differently, in addition Eric is proposing adding them to prefix names. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:09:45 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:09:52 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:10:36 <sandro> guus: Is this the only item where you (Andy) and Eric disagree? If so, it seems like a good thing to mark At Risk.
Guus Schreiber: Is this the only item where you (Andy) and Eric disagree? If so, it seems like a good thing to mark At Risk. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:11:16 <sandro> AndyS: Are you talking about the difference in escape processing, or about eric's SPARQL feature request.
Andy Seaborne: Are you talking about the difference in escape processing, or about eric's SPARQL feature request. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:11:25 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:11:28 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
16:11:46 <Zakim> -FabGandon
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16:11:50 <sandro> ivan: is it just these three things?
Ivan Herman: is it just these three things? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:11:57 <ivan> ack cygri
Ivan Herman: ack cygri ←
16:12:04 <sandro> AndyS: I think so, no one else has brought anything else up
Andy Seaborne: I think so, no one else has brought anything else up [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:12:57 <sandro> cygri: I have concerns about this unicode escape issue -- this needs more discussion. I think the current sparql approach isnt optimal for turtle. I don't have a strong opinion about whether this means SPARQL should change, or the two should deviate on this.
Richard Cyganiak: I have concerns about this unicode escape issue -- this needs more discussion. I think the current sparql approach isnt optimal for turtle. I don't have a strong opinion about whether this means SPARQL should change, or the two should deviate on this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:13:27 <sandro> ... I also agree all the other issues, TURTLE should follow SPARQL, except maybe on final-dot at end of document.
Sandro Hawke: ... I also agree all the other issues, TURTLE should follow SPARQL, except maybe on final-dot at end of document. ←
16:13:39 <Danbri> Ivan/sandro, can you investigate shared filespace issue for the wg? Mercurial etc...? I'd like to close my rdfs issue... by opening an editors draft
Dan Brickley: Ivan/sandro, can you investigate shared filespace issue for the wg? Mercurial etc...? I'd like to close my rdfs issue... by opening an editors draft ←
16:13:47 <sandro> cygri: So unicode escape is the one place there might still be a need for SPARQL to change.
Richard Cyganiak: So unicode escape is the one place there might still be a need for SPARQL to change. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:14:06 <sandro> Danbri, we can get mercurial space, yes.
Sandro Hawke: Danbri, we can get mercurial space, yes. ←
16:14:22 <Danbri> Please :)
Dan Brickley: Please :) ←
16:14:26 <sandro> guus: So, Lee, it sounds like you should mark the unicode stuff at risk.
Guus Schreiber: So, Lee, it sounds like you should mark the unicode stuff at risk. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:14:42 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:14:44 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
16:14:48 <AndyS> yvesr - currently yes
yvesr - currently yes ←
16:14:56 <AndyS> yvesr - currently correct
yvesr - currently correct ←
16:15:00 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:15:06 <SteveH> there is a wiki page
Steve Harris: there is a wiki page ←
16:15:12 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization ←
16:15:32 <AndyS> topic: skolemization meta-discussion
16:16:01 <AndyS> Guus: next two weeks - be clear about options
Guus Schreiber: next two weeks - be clear about options ←
16:16:07 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/mid/0B4851C8-3017-4295-9F95-38347A4BF0D1@cyganiak.de
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/mid/0B4851C8-3017-4295-9F95-38347A4BF0D1@cyganiak.de ←
16:16:09 <AndyS> ... then we can get to resolution
... then we can get to resolution ←
16:16:15 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
16:16:15 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
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16:16:15 <AndyS> adjourned
adjourned ←
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16:16:32 <LeeF> thanks, Guus
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