<sandro> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02
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15:21:26 <LeeF> Hard to disagree with that
Lee Feigenbaum: Hard to disagree with that ←
15:21:47 <LeeF> I think I will never get used to reading the "@" sigil in JSON-LD correctly, alas
Lee Feigenbaum: I think I will never get used to reading the "@" sigil in JSON-LD correctly, alas ←
15:22:05 <mischat> manu: in your trig looking examples, in the example "Graph Changes Over Time" for example, you have trailing "'s
Manu Sporny: in your trig looking examples, in the example "Graph Changes Over Time" for example, you have trailing "'s [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ] ←
15:22:06 <mischat> "2011-02-26T00:00:00+0000"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#dateTime>
Mischa Tuffield: "2011-02-26T00:00:00+0000"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#dateTime> ←
15:22:10 <mischat> "
Mischa Tuffield: " ←
15:22:43 <hsbauer> Scribe: Scott Bauer
(Scribe set to Scott Bauer)
15:22:44 <manu> @LeeF yeah - we could change it to something else? Every time I've changed the key that establishes the subject, somebody complains about it :P
Manu Sporny: @LeeF yeah - we could change it to something else? Every time I've changed the key that establishes the subject, somebody complains about it :P ←
15:23:02 <hsbauer> ScribeNick: hsbauer
15:23:20 <hsbauer> Meeting: RDF WG Teleconference
15:24:14 <LeeF> oh i wasn't complaining, manu, i'm just not used to it
Lee Feigenbaum: oh i wasn't complaining, manu, i'm just not used to it ←
15:24:17 <LeeF> I think it's kind of clever
Lee Feigenbaum: I think it's kind of clever ←
15:25:28 <hsbauer> is david wood chair today?
is david wood chair today? ←
15:25:49 <manu> LeeF, it's annoying at first, and then you get used to it. '@' was supposed to symbolize - "This object can be found at..." or "This object describes the data at..." or "This object exists at..."
Manu Sporny: LeeF, it's annoying at first, and then you get used to it. '@' was supposed to symbolize - "This object can be found at..." or "This object describes the data at..." or "This object exists at..." ←
15:29:12 <hsbauer> Chair: David Wood
15:29:49 <hsbauer> zakim, this will be SW_RDFWG
zakim, this will be SW_RDFWG ←
15:29:49 <Zakim> ok, hsbauer; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hsbauer; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes ←
15:33:18 <mischat> um, turtle does allow "." before "]" when writing predicateObject lists, as per rule 7 in the turtle submission thing. The correct (turtle'd version of your example) http://pastebin.com/K7D9LQ36 (obviously this is less the graph bit you would get in trig).
Mischa Tuffield: um, turtle does allow "." before "]" when writing predicateObject lists, as per rule 7 in the turtle submission thing. The correct (turtle'd version of your example) http://pastebin.com/K7D9LQ36 (obviously this is less the graph bit you would get in trig). ←
15:42:48 <mischat> ok may do that afterwards :)
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Mischa Tuffield: ok may do that afterwards :) ←
15:51:38 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
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15:51:45 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer
Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer ←
15:52:59 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public ←
15:54:32 <Zakim> +davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood ←
15:54:44 <Zakim> +FabGandon
Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon ←
15:55:00 <Zakim> +gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc ←
15:55:12 <gavinc> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:55:12 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted ←
15:56:52 <davidwood> Meeting: RDF Working Group
15:56:57 <davidwood> Chair: David Wood
15:57:28 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:57:33 <manu> zakim, code?
Manu Sporny: zakim, code? ←
15:57:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu ←
15:57:44 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
15:57:47 <manu> zakim, I am ??P9
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P9 ←
15:57:47 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
15:57:47 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:57:49 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:57:49 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:57:55 <davidwood> Scribe: Scott Bauer
15:57:58 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:58:12 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:58:12 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:58:23 <davidwood> ScribeNick: hsbauer
15:58:40 <davidwood> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02
15:58:44 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:58:56 <mischat> zakim, P10 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, P10 is me ←
15:58:56 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named 'P10'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named 'P10' ←
15:59:02 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:59:07 <mischat> zakim, ??P10 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P10 is me ←
15:59:07 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it ←
15:59:10 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
15:59:10 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
15:59:25 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:59:32 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:59:33 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
15:59:33 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:59:49 <Zakim> +corby
Zakim IRC Bot: +corby ←
16:00:03 <PatHayes> Im not hearing the breathing.
Patrick Hayes: Im not hearing the breathing. ←
16:00:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:00:07 <Zakim> +Alex_Hall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alex_Hall ←
16:00:11 <webr3> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
Nathan Rixham: zakim, +[IPcaller] is me ←
16:00:11 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, webr3, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]' ←
16:00:12 <Zakim> +AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ ←
16:00:18 <webr3> zakim, IPcaller is me
Nathan Rixham: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
16:00:18 <Zakim> +webr3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +webr3; got it ←
16:00:28 <AlexHall> zakim, Alex_Hall is me
Alex Hall: zakim, Alex_Hall is me ←
16:00:28 <Zakim> +AlexHall; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall; got it ←
16:00:49 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?
David Wood: Zakim, who is here? ←
16:00:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, davidwood, FabGandon, gavinc (muted), PatH, manu, Ivan (muted), Sandro, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, LeeF, corby, webr3, AlexHall,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, davidwood, FabGandon, gavinc (muted), PatH, manu, Ivan (muted), Sandro, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, LeeF, corby, webr3, AlexHall, ←
16:00:52 <Zakim> ... AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AZ ←
16:00:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see AlexHall, AZ, pfps, mbrunati, AndyS, PatHayes, OlivierCorby, FabGandon, gavinc, webr3, RRSAgent, cygri, hsbauer, LeeF, ivan, mischat, SteveH, danbri, davidwood, yvesr,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AlexHall, AZ, pfps, mbrunati, AndyS, PatHayes, OlivierCorby, FabGandon, gavinc, webr3, RRSAgent, cygri, hsbauer, LeeF, ivan, mischat, SteveH, danbri, davidwood, yvesr, ←
16:00:57 <Zakim> ... manu, manu1, Zakim, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... manu, manu1, Zakim, sandro, trackbot ←
16:00:58 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus_Schreiber ←
16:01:30 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
16:01:51 <AZ> zakim, mute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←
16:01:51 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted ←
16:02:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:02:27 <Zakim> +cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri ←
<sandro> Topic: Admin
16:02:33 <danbri> regrets from me; at mini-NoTube F2F in Bristol (although not as I feared travelling so will follow in IRC)
Dan Brickley: regrets from me; at mini-NoTube F2F in Bristol (although not as I feared travelling so will follow in IRC) ←
16:02:51 <mbrunati> zakim, who is here
Matteo Brunati: zakim, who is here ←
16:02:51 <Zakim> mbrunati, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati, you need to end that query with '?' ←
16:03:05 <mbrunati> zakim, who is here?
Matteo Brunati: zakim, who is here? ←
16:03:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, davidwood, FabGandon, gavinc (muted), PatH, manu, Ivan (muted), Sandro, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, LeeF, corby, webr3, AlexHall,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, davidwood, FabGandon, gavinc (muted), PatH, manu, Ivan (muted), Sandro, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, LeeF, corby, webr3, AlexHall, ←
16:03:08 <Zakim> ... AZ (muted), Guus_Schreiber, zwu2, [IPcaller], cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AZ (muted), Guus_Schreiber, zwu2, [IPcaller], cygri ←
16:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see cmatheus, Guus, SteveH__, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, mbrunati, AndyS, PatHayes, OlivierCorby, FabGandon, gavinc, webr3, RRSAgent, cygri, hsbauer, LeeF, ivan, mischat, SteveH,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cmatheus, Guus, SteveH__, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, mbrunati, AndyS, PatHayes, OlivierCorby, FabGandon, gavinc, webr3, RRSAgent, cygri, hsbauer, LeeF, ivan, mischat, SteveH, ←
16:03:15 <Zakim> ... danbri, davidwood, yvesr, manu, manu1, Zakim, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... danbri, davidwood, yvesr, manu, manu1, Zakim, sandro, trackbot ←
16:03:20 <sandro> regrets: danbri, souri
16:03:24 <mbrunati> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
Matteo Brunati: zakim, [IPCaller] is me ←
16:03:24 <Zakim> +mbrunati; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mbrunati; got it ←
16:03:36 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:03:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, davidwood, FabGandon, gavinc (muted), PatH, manu, Ivan (muted), Sandro, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, LeeF, corby, webr3, AlexHall,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, davidwood, FabGandon, gavinc (muted), PatH, manu, Ivan (muted), Sandro, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, LeeF, corby, webr3, AlexHall, ←
16:03:40 <Zakim> ... AZ (muted), Guus_Schreiber, zwu2, mbrunati, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AZ (muted), Guus_Schreiber, zwu2, mbrunati, cygri ←
16:03:45 <SteveH__> Zakim, what's the code?
Steve Harris: Zakim, what's the code? ←
16:03:45 <AZ> AZ is for Antoine Zimmermann
Antoine Zimmermann: AZ is for Antoine Zimmermann ←
16:03:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), SteveH__
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), SteveH__ ←
16:03:58 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
16:03:58 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
16:04:13 <hsbauer> regrets: danbri, yvesr, nickh, champin, tomayac
16:04:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:04:21 <SteveH> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
16:04:21 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
16:04:28 <davidwood> Agenda is at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02
David Wood: Agenda is at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02 ←
16:04:45 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: RDF WG Meeting 2011-03-02 http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: RDF WG Meeting 2011-03-02 http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02 ←
16:04:59 <pfps> minutes look fine to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look fine to me ←
16:05:06 <AndyS> Regrets for last time: AndyS
Andy Seaborne: Regrets for last time: AndyS ←
16:05:07 <hsbauer> david: proposes to accept last weeks minutes
David Wood: proposes to accept last weeks minutes ←
16:05:12 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:05:15 <FabGandon> +1
Fabien Gandon: +1 ←
16:05:18 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:05:23 <mbrunati> +1
Matteo Brunati: +1 ←
16:05:26 <sandro> RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes
RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes ←
16:05:41 <hsbauer> david: action item review
David Wood: action item review ←
16:05:43 <davidwood> Action items pending review: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
David Wood: Action items pending review: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
16:05:43 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - items
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - items ←
16:05:47 <PatHayes> ignore this, testing.
Patrick Hayes: ignore this, testing. ←
16:06:04 <sandro> manu, http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02
Sandro Hawke: manu, http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.02 ←
16:06:47 <hsbauer> ... pending review alex has completed use case, scott has completed use case
... pending review alex has completed use case, scott has completed use case ←
16:06:51 <AZ> zakim, unmute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, unmute me ←
16:06:51 <Zakim> AZ should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should no longer be muted ←
16:07:11 <hsbauer> ... peter, antoine both completed use cases
... peter, antoine both completed use cases ←
16:07:16 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:07:35 <trackbot> ACTION-1 Provide a use case format notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-1 Provide a use case format notes added ←
16:07:42 <sandro> close action-1
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-1 ←
16:07:42 <trackbot> ACTION-1 Provide a use case format closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-1 Provide a use case format closed ←
16:07:48 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
16:07:52 <davidwood> close action-8
David Wood: close ACTION-8 ←
16:07:52 <trackbot> ACTION-8 Provide a use case for graphs closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-8 Provide a use case for graphs closed ←
16:07:56 <davidwood> close action-9
David Wood: close ACTION-9 ←
16:07:56 <trackbot> ACTION-9 Provide a Revelytix use case for graphs closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-9 Provide a Revelytix use case for graphs closed ←
16:07:59 <davidwood> close action-13
David Wood: close ACTION-13 ←
16:07:59 <trackbot> ACTION-13 separate ontology named graph use case closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-13 separate ontology named graph use case closed ←
16:08:02 <davidwood> close action-14
David Wood: close ACTION-14 ←
16:08:02 <trackbot> ACTION-14 Provide use cases for graphs in the wiki closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-14 Provide use cases for graphs in the wiki closed ←
16:08:14 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:08:16 <hsbauer> ... closing 8, 13, 14 and 9
... closing 8, 13, 14 and 9 ←
16:08:46 <AZ> yversr must be him
Antoine Zimmermann: yversr must be him ←
16:08:57 <hsbauer> ... open action 4,5
16:08:59 <davidwood> yvesr: Is action-5 complete?
David Wood: yvesr, Is ACTION-5 complete? ←
16:09:06 <yvesr> davidwood: i started on it
David Wood: i started on it [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
16:09:09 <davidwood> ok
David Wood: ok ←
16:09:11 <yvesr> davidwood: we still need to polish it
David Wood: we still need to polish it [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
16:09:17 <sandro> s/yvesr:/yvesr,/
16:09:19 <hsbauer> ... action 6, still open.
16:09:35 <mischat> Zakim, unmute me
Mischa Tuffield: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:09:35 <Zakim> mischat should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should no longer be muted ←
16:09:35 <sandro> mischat?
Sandro Hawke: mischat? ←
16:09:41 <yvesr> ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
16:09:46 <yvesr> ivan: but still a draft
Ivan Herman: but still a draft [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
16:09:51 <hsbauer> ... action 7, 11 still open
16:10:02 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
16:10:02 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
16:10:30 <hsbauer> ... what's our procedure for raised issues
... what's our procedure for raised issues ←
16:10:48 <hsbauer> ... will call out issues open them and discuss briefly
... will call out issues open them and discuss briefly ←
16:12:00 <hsbauer> ... is turtle the same as sparkle 1.0 -- issue one.
... is turtle the same as sparkle 1.0 -- issue one. ←
16:12:04 <webr3> could close the issue by saying "no" and responding with all differences
Nathan Rixham: could close the issue by saying "no" and responding with all differences ←
16:12:25 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking
zakim, who is talking ←
16:12:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', hsbauer
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', hsbauer ←
16:12:39 <hsbauer> david: issue 2
16:13:14 <sandro> issue-2?
16:13:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- What existing proposal, if any, should be the starting point/default for the JSON design? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-2 -- What existing proposal, if any, should be the starting point/default for the JSON design? -- open ←
16:13:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2 ←
16:13:39 <hsbauer> ... What existing proposal should be the starting point for the JSON issue
... What existing proposal should be the starting point for the JSON issue ←
16:14:20 <Zakim> -FabGandon
Zakim IRC Bot: -FabGandon ←
16:14:28 <Zakim> +FabGandon
Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon ←
16:14:42 <hsbauer> ... issue 3 also opened
16:15:08 <hsbauer> ... issue of handling action item. after pleading it mark it as pending review.
... issue of handling action item. after pleading it mark it as pending review. ←
16:15:44 <ivan> April 13 14 in Amsterdam, at CWI
Ivan Herman: April 13 14 in Amsterdam, at CWI ←
16:15:49 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1 ←
16:15:57 <hsbauer> ... F2F solid dates and location. Group can start making travel plans.
... F2F solid dates and location. Group can start making travel plans. ←
16:16:18 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
16:16:22 <hsbauer> ... Place is TWI in Amsterdam 13th and 14th of march.
... Place is CWI in Amsterdam 13th and 14th of April. ←
16:16:28 <ivan> s/TWI/CWI/
16:16:32 <zwu2> april?
16:16:37 <hsbauer> ... Ivan will take an action itme.
... Ivan will take an action itme. ←
16:16:46 <ivan> april
Ivan Herman: april ←
16:16:48 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1 ←
16:16:50 <ivan> s/march/April/
16:16:50 <davidwood> action: Guus to make hotel suggestions for FTF1
ACTION: Guus to make hotel suggestions for FTF1 ←
16:16:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Make hotel suggestions for FTF1 [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-15 - Make hotel suggestions for FTF1 [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-09]. ←
16:16:54 <hsbauer> ... correction 13th and 14th of April
... correction 13th and 14th of April ←
16:17:11 <sandro> ack sandro
Sandro Hawke: ack sandro ←
16:17:30 <AZ> zakim, mute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←
16:17:30 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted ←
16:17:39 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:17:39 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
16:17:59 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:18:09 <zwu2> zakim, unmute me
16:18:09 <Zakim> zwu2 should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should no longer be muted ←
16:18:11 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: PatH (16%), Sandro (25%), Ivan (34%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: PatH (16%), Sandro (25%), Ivan (34%) ←
16:18:14 <zwu2> q
16:18:16 <zwu2> q+
16:18:23 <davidwood> next agendum
David Wood: next agendum ←
16:18:37 <davidwood> ack zwu2
David Wood: ack zwu2 ←
16:18:55 <davidwood> next agendum
David Wood: next agendum ←
16:19:19 <hsbauer> zwu2: who is in charge of setting the meeting place?
Zhe Wu: who is in charge of setting the meeting place? ←
16:19:50 <LeeF> I may need to send regrets for the first F2F as it conflicts with the Bio IT conference in Boston, which I am semi-committed too
Lee Feigenbaum: I may need to send regrets for the first F2F as it conflicts with the Bio IT conference in Boston, which I am semi-committed to ←
16:19:54 <hsbauer> david: team contacts set the first f2f out of expediency
David Wood: team contacts set the first f2f out of expediency ←
16:19:55 <LeeF> s/too/to
16:20:11 <hsbauer> ... 3 next will take input for those
... 3 next will take input for those ←
16:20:17 <hsbauer> ... this one is fixed
... this one is fixed ←
16:20:22 <gavinc> If I remember right there was no remote presence ability at CWI?
Gavin Carothers: If I remember right there was no remote presence ability at CWI? ←
16:20:30 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:20:36 <ivan> ack zwu2
Ivan Herman: ack zwu2 ←
16:20:42 <ivan> ack zwu
Ivan Herman: ack zwu ←
16:21:05 <davidwood> ack ivan
David Wood: ack ivan ←
16:21:06 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
16:21:07 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
16:21:19 <hsbauer> I will also not be able to attend the first f2f
I will also not be able to attend the first f2f ←
16:21:29 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:21:40 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
16:21:54 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking
zakim, who is talking ←
16:21:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', hsbauer
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', hsbauer ←
16:22:00 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:22:11 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Scott_Bauer (16%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Scott_Bauer (16%) ←
16:22:11 <sandro> ivan: We will have remote audio for the F2F
Ivan Herman: We will have remote audio for the F2F [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:22:27 <sandro> ivan: we may be able to do some low-quality video (eg skype)
Ivan Herman: we may be able to do some low-quality video (eg skype) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:22:48 <LeeF> q+
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ ←
16:22:59 <davidwood> ack LeeF
David Wood: ack LeeF ←
16:23:30 <hsbauer> Leef: can we start on an agenda for f2f
Lee Feigenbaum: can we start on an agenda for f2f ←
16:23:30 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
16:23:49 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking
zakim, who is talking ←
16:23:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', hsbauer
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', hsbauer ←
16:23:53 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:24:04 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (31%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (31%) ←
16:24:18 <davidwood> next agendum
David Wood: next agendum ←
16:24:31 <ivan> -> http://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/amsterdam.html is a good page to convince sandro et al to hang around...
Ivan Herman: -> http://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/amsterdam.html is a good page to convince sandro et al to hang around... ←
16:24:44 <hsbauer> Topic: turtle task force
16:25:24 <hsbauer> david: who will be participating. discussion of mailing list asking for notes on this
David Wood: who will be participating. discussion of mailing list asking for notes on this ←
16:25:53 <hsbauer> ... important task forces have some level of self organization.
... important task forces have some level of self organization. ←
16:26:06 <hsbauer> ... have someone to speak for them.
... have someone to speak for them. ←
16:26:09 <AndyS> Step 1 -- people add names to TTL TF page
Andy Seaborne: Step 1 -- people add names to TTL TF page ←
16:26:35 <davidwood> Input material to Turtle: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Inputs_Turtle
David Wood: Input material to Turtle: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Inputs_Turtle ←
16:26:41 <hsbauer> ... most important to settle issue number one and deal with input material
... most important to settle issue number one and deal with input material ←
16:27:07 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:27:18 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (19%), Guus_Schreiber (19%), Ivan (10%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (19%), Guus_Schreiber (19%), Ivan (10%) ←
16:27:31 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF_interests
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF_interests ←
16:27:50 <hsbauer> Guus: can we ask for volunteers for spokespersons
Guus Schreiber: can we ask for volunteers for spokespersons ←
16:27:57 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:28:30 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:28:53 <hsbauer> ivan: I have contacted dave, no response. Eric T. is a possibility.
Ivan Herman: I have contacted dave, no response. Eric P. is a possibility. ←
16:29:10 <SteveH> s/Eric T./Eric P./
16:29:41 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:29:51 <sandro> hsbauer, that was Nathan
Sandro Hawke: hsbauer, that was Nathan ←
16:29:52 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (74%), AndyS (8%), Ivan (3%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (74%), AndyS (8%), Ivan (3%) ←
16:30:09 <sandro> webr3=Nathan, just to confuse you
Sandro Hawke: webr3=Nathan, just to confuse you ←
16:30:30 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:30:43 <hsbauer> afraid I missed the comment can someone summarize
afraid I missed the comment can someone summarize ←
16:30:45 <davidwood> ack andys
David Wood: ack andys ←
16:31:03 <gavinc> Would like to participate in the Turtle TF but don't really feel comfortable being the representative for it?
Gavin Carothers: Would like to participate in the Turtle TF but don't really feel comfortable being the representative for it? ←
16:31:21 <hsbauer> andys: json task force has a list of names. Is there a difference between interest and participation.
Andy Seaborne: json task force has a list of names. Is there a difference between interest and participation. ←
16:31:45 <hsbauer> david: this may have not been a clear process for differentating.
David Wood: this may have not been a clear process for differentating. ←
16:31:54 <manu> q+ to volunteer to represent JSON TF
Manu Sporny: q+ to volunteer to represent JSON TF ←
16:32:11 <hsbauer> Topic: JSON
16:32:22 <davidwood> JSON TF: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON
David Wood: JSON TF: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON ←
16:32:26 <hsbauer> david: we have participants, inputs and questions
David Wood: we have participants, inputs and questions ←
16:32:52 <hsbauer> manu: I'm interested in acting as spokeperson, but may have a conflict of interest.
Manu Sporny: I'm interested in acting as spokeperson, but may have a conflict of interest. ←
16:33:06 <PatHayes> I dont see a conflict of interest, quite the contrary.
Patrick Hayes: I dont see a conflict of interest, quite the contrary. ←
16:33:16 <nathan> likewise, no conflict imo
Nathan Rixham: likewise, no conflict imo ←
16:33:32 <hsbauer> david: personal opinion, editing spec and coordinating task force are not a conflict of interest
David Wood: personal opinion, editing spec and coordinating task force are not a conflict of interest ←
16:33:42 <manu> ACTION: Manu to summarize positions that folks have taken via the mailing list onto the wiki in an attempt to figure out which document should be used as a starting point for the RDF in JSON work.
ACTION: Manu to summarize positions that folks have taken via the mailing list onto the wiki in an attempt to figure out which document should be used as a starting point for the RDF in JSON work. ←
16:33:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Summarize positions that folks have taken via the mailing list onto the wiki in an attempt to figure out which document should be used as a starting point for the RDF in JSON work. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Summarize positions that folks have taken via the mailing list onto the wiki in an attempt to figure out which document should be used as a starting point for the RDF in JSON work. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-09]. ←
16:33:53 <PatHayes> Nice try, but you got lumbered.
Patrick Hayes: Nice try, but you got lumbered. ←
16:34:22 <hsbauer> manu: taking an action item to summarize postions on the mailing list for json
Manu Sporny: taking an action item to summarize postions on the mailing list for json ←
16:35:00 <hsbauer> manu: are we discussing task force tech issues here or just summarize issues here.
Manu Sporny: are we discussing task force tech issues here or just summarize issues here. ←
16:35:11 <hsbauer> david: up to the task force.
David Wood: up to the task force. ←
16:35:24 <Guus> q+
Guus Schreiber: q+ ←
16:35:29 <manu> q-
Manu Sporny: q- ←
16:35:32 <hsbauer> ... clarify participants, coordinators is current issue
... clarify participants, coordinators is current issue ←
16:35:44 <manu> q+ to note that JSON-TF will need a separate call.
Manu Sporny: q+ to note that JSON-TF will need a separate call. ←
16:35:48 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:36:14 <davidwood> ack Guus
David Wood: ack Guus ←
16:36:16 <hsbauer> manu: json will need a separate call for a time
Manu Sporny: json will need a separate call for a time ←
16:36:18 <manu> q-
Manu Sporny: q- ←
16:36:52 <hsbauer> Guus: tech discussions are ok, but will be busy with admin for the first few weeks.
Guus Schreiber: tech discussions are ok, but will be busy with admin for the first few weeks. ←
16:37:12 <davidwood> ack manu
David Wood: ack manu ←
16:37:12 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:37:17 <nathan> q+ to discuss tracker for TFs
Nathan Rixham: q+ to discuss tracker for TFs ←
16:37:20 <davidwood> ack ivan
David Wood: ack ivan ←
16:37:25 <manu> q?
Manu Sporny: q? ←
16:37:49 <davidwood> ack nathan
David Wood: ack nathan ←
16:37:49 <Zakim> nathan, you wanted to discuss tracker for TFs
Zakim IRC Bot: nathan, you wanted to discuss tracker for TFs ←
16:38:19 <hsbauer> ivan: setting up a separate call is possible
Ivan Herman: setting up a separate call is possible ←
16:38:20 <manu> +1 to separate tracker entries by product
Manu Sporny: +1 to separate tracker entries by product ←
16:38:26 <AZ> +1 to ivan
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 to ivan ←
16:38:33 <gavinc> +1 and they are already setup: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/products
Gavin Carothers: +1 and they are already setup: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/products ←
16:38:34 <PatHayes> +1 to ivan
Patrick Hayes: +1 to ivan ←
16:38:49 <hsbauer> nathan: can issues be opened by the task force?
Nathan Rixham: can issues be opened by the task force? ←
16:38:54 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:38:57 <sandro> +1 let TF's open issues for themselves
Sandro Hawke: +1 let TF's open issues for themselves ←
16:39:08 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
16:39:14 <zwu2> I just signed up for the graph tf
Zhe Wu: I just signed up for the graph tf ←
16:39:38 <hsbauer> david: this is ok
David Wood: this is ok ←
16:40:15 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
16:40:26 <sandro> topic: Graphs TF
16:40:28 <hsbauer> david: tracker will take care of tracking for all
David Wood: tracker will take care of tracking for all ←
16:40:39 <hsbauer> Topic: Graph Task Force
16:40:51 <sandro> s/Graph/Graphs/
16:41:13 <sandro> s/topic: Graphs TF//
16:41:20 <hsbauer> david: summarize immediate issues
David Wood: summarize immediate issues ←
16:41:40 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:41:44 <manu> I really liked Sandro's g-box, g-snap, g-text e-mail
Manu Sporny: I really liked Sandro's g-box, g-snap, g-text e-mail ←
16:41:47 <sandro> it's LeeF
Sandro Hawke: it's LeeF ←
16:41:51 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (24%), LeeF (100%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (24%), LeeF (100%) ←
16:41:54 <Guus> suggest to have a wiki page with terms and their defs, as synthesis of ongoing discussion
Guus Schreiber: suggest to have a wiki page with terms and their defs, as synthesis of ongoing discussion ←
16:42:27 <hsbauer> Leef: discussions on serializations, sharing, multiple blank nodes.
Lee Feigenbaum: discussions on serializations, sharing, multiple blank nodes. ←
16:43:01 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC ←
16:43:02 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:43:13 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (4%), Ivan (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (4%), Ivan (4%) ←
16:43:43 <hsbauer> manu: httpRange-14 bound to come up at some point
Manu Sporny: httpRange-14 bound to come up at some point ←
16:43:59 <nathan> that's ISSUE-57 on the TAG now, and AWWSW TF covers too (I, nathan, work w/ JAR on that)
Nathan Rixham: that's ISSUE-57 on the TAG now, and AWWSW TF covers too (I, nathan, work w/ JAR on that) ←
16:44:04 <manu> We should coordinate with Jonathan Rees on the W3C TAG and the SPARQL WG
Manu Sporny: We should coordinate with Jonathan Rees on the W3C TAG and the SPARQL WG ←
16:44:06 <PatHayes> +1 to speaker re. sparql
Patrick Hayes: +1 to speaker re. sparql ←
16:44:16 <hsbauer> Leef: should liase with sparql working group asap
Lee Feigenbaum: should liase with sparql working group asap ←
16:44:41 <sandro> lee: SPARQL WG is moving to Last Call with its notion of Graphs
Lee Feigenbaum: SPARQL WG is moving to Last Call with its notion of Graphs [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:44:55 <AlexHall> what is the specific issue wrt graphs and SPARQL wg?
Alex Hall: what is the specific issue wrt graphs and SPARQL wg? ←
16:45:00 <hsbauer> who is talking?
who is talking? ←
16:45:03 <manu> Folks will want to re-read: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC ... really good stuff in there.
Manu Sporny: Folks will want to re-read: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC ... really good stuff in there. ←
16:45:25 <PatHayes> Suggest that biggest issue might turn out to be, does a GET get the whole graph or can you find out how big the damn thing is first? That is a real issue, most of them are nomenclature.
Patrick Hayes: Suggest that biggest issue might turn out to be, does a GET get the whole graph or can you find out how big the damn thing is first? That is a real issue, most of them are nomenclature. ←
16:45:41 <FabGandon> q+ to talk about Linked Data and SPARQL HTTP-GET on named graph
Fabien Gandon: q+ to talk about Linked Data and SPARQL HTTP-GET on named graph ←
16:45:50 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
16:45:54 <manu> PatHayes, HEAD /graph ?
Manu Sporny: PatHayes, HEAD /graph ? ←
16:46:00 <hsbauer> Leef: if issues related to sparql wg are raised some contact should be made
Lee Feigenbaum: if issues related to sparql wg are raised some contact should be made ←
16:46:01 <davidwood> ack FabGandon
David Wood: ack FabGandon ←
16:46:01 <Zakim> FabGandon, you wanted to talk about Linked Data and SPARQL HTTP-GET on named graph
Zakim IRC Bot: FabGandon, you wanted to talk about Linked Data and SPARQL HTTP-GET on named graph ←
16:46:14 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#http-get
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/#http-get ←
16:46:24 <nathan> PatHayes, agree, there's also if the <u> refers to both the "subject" and the "graph" - tis a gotcha
Nathan Rixham: PatHayes, agree, there's also if the <u> refers to both the "subject" and the "graph" - tis a gotcha ←
16:46:38 <PatHayes> manu, I know , but it feels like a dangerous issue where one WG might close a door that another WG needs to have open.
Patrick Hayes: manu, I know , but it feels like a dangerous issue where one WG might close a door that another WG needs to have open. ←
16:46:43 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:46:55 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
16:47:07 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:47:19 <AndyS> Also: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_graphstore (from SPARQL 1.1 Update)
Andy Seaborne: Also: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_graphstore (from SPARQL 1.1 Update) ←
16:47:26 <davidwood> +1 to PatHayer
David Wood: +1 to PatHayer ←
16:47:30 <sandro> FabGandon: I think there's a mismatch about graph vs resource here, when you dereference.
Fabien Gandon: I think there's a mismatch about graph vs resource here, when you dereference. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:47:32 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
16:47:32 <hsbauer> FabGandon: some differences between practices especially around dereferencing.
Fabien Gandon: some differences between practices especially around dereferencing. ←
16:47:36 <davidwood> s/Pathayer/PatHayes/
David Wood: s/Pathayer/PatHayes/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
16:48:01 <PatHayes> +1 to speaker.
Patrick Hayes: +1 to speaker. ←
16:48:03 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
16:48:09 <hsbauer> ... what people are doing when defrerencing a uri
... what people are doing when defrerencing a uri ←
16:48:19 <manu> I tend to see that most people get information about the resource they're dereferencing - the graph is the representation about the resource.
Manu Sporny: I tend to see that most people get information about the resource they're dereferencing - the graph is the representation about the resource. ←
16:48:33 <hsbauer> cygri: opmitting what happens when you look up a uri
Richard Cyganiak: opmitting what happens when you look up a uri ←
16:48:39 <hsbauer> thanks ivan
thanks ivan ←
16:48:57 <manu> perhaps, that's naive - but that seems to be the data people are publishing now w/ RDFa.
Manu Sporny: perhaps, that's naive - but that seems to be the data people are publishing now w/ RDFa. ←
16:49:01 <nathan> so, follow your nose is a pita we need to clarify soon, especially w/ graphs uris, lod, issue-57 on tag and so forth - not in charter? can we get away with /not/ getting consensus and agrement
Nathan Rixham: so, follow your nose is a pita we need to clarify soon, especially w/ graphs uris, lod, ISSUE-57 on tag and so forth - not in charter? can we get away with /not/ getting consensus and agrement ←
16:49:17 <manu> and I really don't like 303 redirects for most use cases :/
Manu Sporny: and I really don't like 303 redirects for most use cases :/ ←
16:49:27 <hsbauer> cygri: looks up a uri on a person which leads to a document. one does a redirect and another gives an rdf:desc with is a graph
Richard Cyganiak: looks up a uri on a person which leads to a document. one does a redirect and another gives an rdf:desc with is a graph ←
16:49:52 <PatHayes> Is a graph an IR? A g-box surely is, right?
Patrick Hayes: Is a graph an IR? A g-box surely is, right? ←
16:49:54 <hsbauer> ... keep in mind that you shouldn't use the same uri for identifying person and graph.
... keep in mind that you shouldn't use the same uri for identifying person and graph. ←
16:49:59 <davidwood> ack sandro
David Wood: ack sandro ←
16:50:01 <nathan> PatHayes, yes exactly
Nathan Rixham: PatHayes, yes exactly ←
16:50:21 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:50:27 <cygri> hsbauer, it's sandro
Richard Cyganiak: hsbauer, it's sandro ←
16:50:32 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (70%), AndyS (4%), Ivan (20%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (70%), AndyS (4%), Ivan (20%) ←
16:50:47 <hsbauer> sandro: graph is used with considerable ambiguity
Sandro Hawke: graph is used with considerable ambiguity ←
16:50:51 <manu> +1 to Sandro's g-box, g-snap, g-text viewpoint
Manu Sporny: +1 to Sandro's g-box, g-snap, g-text viewpoint ←
16:51:14 <hsbauer> ... proposed three terms in practice most often
... proposed three terms in practice most often ←
16:51:32 <davidwood> In my view, a g-box is an IR.
David Wood: In my view, a g-box is an IR. ←
16:51:33 <hsbauer> ... g-box is the container what sparql means
... g-box is the container what sparql means ←
16:51:42 <hsbauer> ... g-snap
... g-snap ←
16:51:53 <PatHayes> Ahem. That is what the RDF specs say a graph is.
Patrick Hayes: Ahem. That is what the RDF specs say a graph is. ←
16:51:56 <hsbauer> ... g-text serialization
... g-text serialization ←
16:52:17 <manu> q+ to note preference for Sandro's g-box/g-snap/g-text proposal.
Manu Sporny: q+ to note preference for Sandro's g-box/g-snap/g-text proposal. ←
16:52:31 <LeeF> davidwood, I believe that is the view of the SPARQL RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol as well
Lee Feigenbaum: davidwood, I believe that is the view of the SPARQL RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol as well ←
16:52:33 <PatHayes> BTW, I entirely agree with sandro's analysis and his ghastly but usable terminology.
Patrick Hayes: BTW, I entirely agree with sandro's analysis and his ghastly but usable terminology. ←
16:52:44 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
16:52:48 <davidwood> ack manu
David Wood: ack manu ←
16:52:48 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note preference for Sandro's g-box/g-snap/g-text proposal.
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to note preference for Sandro's g-box/g-snap/g-text proposal. ←
16:52:48 <sandro> sandro: explaining http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0092.html
Sandro Hawke: explaining http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0092.html [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:53:01 <hsbauer> manu: like sandro's email. clarifies what we are talking about.
Manu Sporny: like sandro's email. clarifies what we are talking about. ←
16:53:28 <cygri> q+ to ask about "graph" in RDF Concepts and RDF Semantics
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to ask about "graph" in RDF Concepts and RDF Semantics ←
16:53:30 <PatHayes> Lets agree that g-snaps are RDF graphs, ie abstract sets.
Patrick Hayes: Lets agree that g-snaps are RDF graphs, ie abstract sets. ←
16:53:33 <hsbauer> ... the terms may change but this is what we are talking about.
... the terms may change but this is what we are talking about. ←
16:53:36 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
16:53:36 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about "graph" in RDF Concepts and RDF Semantics
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to ask about "graph" in RDF Concepts and RDF Semantics ←
16:54:06 <webr3> PatHayes, +1 yes lets, and not a REST "value" at some time - purely an RDF concept, abstract graph, set of triples
Nathan Rixham: PatHayes, +1 yes lets, and not a REST "value" at some time - purely an RDF concept, abstract graph, set of triples ←
16:54:13 <hsbauer> cygri: rdf semantics g-snap? need clarification.
Richard Cyganiak: rdf semantics g-snap? need clarification. ←
16:54:40 <hsbauer> ... triples or model theoritic interpretation.
... triples or model theoritic interpretation. ←
16:54:53 <hsbauer> ... do these documents say the same thing.
... do these documents say the same thing. ←
16:54:57 <hsbauer> thanks
thanks ←
16:55:20 <hsbauer> PatHayes: model theory doesn't depend on the graph syntax.
Patrick Hayes: the model theory doesn't depend on the graph syntax. ←
16:55:40 <sandro> s/model/the model/
16:55:44 <hsbauer> ... can be adapted
... can be adapted ←
16:56:03 <hsbauer> ... we wanted a not to concrete definition
... we wanted a not to concrete definition ←
16:56:36 <hsbauer> ... feeling that we didn't want a central model attached to a particular style
... feeling that we didn't want a central model attached to a particular style ←
16:57:27 <hsbauer> ... g-snaps instances of g-box -- apparently the mathematical version of the g-box
... g-snaps instances of g-box -- apparently the mathematical version of the g-box ←
16:57:29 <manu> I thought g-snaps were supposed to be an non-serialized snapshot of a g-box
Manu Sporny: I thought g-snaps were supposed to be an non-serialized snapshot of a g-box ←
16:57:46 <hsbauer> ... g-box and g-text fit in the web arch story.
... g-box and g-text fit in the web arch story. ←
16:57:47 <webr3> manu, yes correct, abstract set of triples
Nathan Rixham: manu, yes correct, abstract set of triples ←
16:58:04 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:58:19 <hsbauer> ... g-text is a serialization of the rdf-graph my understanding.
... g-text is a serialization of the rdf-graph my understanding. ←
16:58:20 <cygri> thanks
Richard Cyganiak: thanks ←
16:58:26 <AZ> totally right, Pat
Antoine Zimmermann: totally right, Pat ←
16:58:44 <mbrunati> .)
Matteo Brunati: .) ←
16:59:01 <manu> g-box is the REST Information Resource, it's state at a point in time is a g-snap... if you do an HTTP GET on the IR, you get a g-text.
Manu Sporny: g-box is the REST Information Resource, it's state at a point in time is a g-snap... if you do an HTTP GET on the IR, you get a g-text. ←
16:59:06 <hsbauer> david: action item for pat to summarize the issue in an email
David Wood: action item for pat to summarize the issue in an email ←
16:59:41 <manu> so, effectively graphs are just another type of IR - fits really well with Web Architecture.
Manu Sporny: so, effectively graphs are just another type of IR - fits really well with Web Architecture. ←
16:59:48 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
16:59:49 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin to try and produce a digram based on the g-box, g-snap, g-text model from Sandro's email and this conversation
Gavin Carothers: ACTION Gavin to try and produce a digram based on the g-box, g-snap, g-text model from Sandro's email and this conversation ←
16:59:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Try and produce a digram based on the g-box, g-snap, g-text model from Sandro's email and this conversation [on Gavin Carothers - due 2011-03-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-17 - Try and produce a digram based on the g-box, g-snap, g-text model from Sandro's email and this conversation [on Gavin Carothers - due 2011-03-09]. ←
17:00:11 <hsbauer> david: moving on from graph issue.
David Wood: moving on from graph issue. ←
17:00:18 <webr3> I'll write up action 7 now then <yay>
Nathan Rixham: I'll write up ACTION-7 now then <yay> ←
17:00:25 <hsbauer> Topic: F2f agenda
17:01:03 <hsbauer> david: issues on our timeline
David Wood: issues on our timeline ←
17:01:22 <hsbauer> ... first deliverable due in May.
... first deliverable due in May. ←
17:01:27 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
17:01:33 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:01:37 <sandro> q+ to clarify documents
Sandro Hawke: q+ to clarify documents ←
17:01:46 <hsbauer> ... work out tf starting points and organization
... work out tf starting points and organization ←
17:01:55 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
17:02:13 <sandro> andy: "Recommendation Set" ?
Andy Seaborne: "Recommendation Set" ? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:02:27 <hsbauer> andys: what do you mean by the rdf recommendation set?
Andy Seaborne: what do you mean by the rdf recommendation set? ←
17:02:39 <hsbauer> david: check the Charter
David Wood: check the Charter ←
17:02:51 <davidwood> 4.1 Milestones
David Wood: 4.1 Milestones ←
17:02:51 <davidwood> This section simply refers to “RDF Recommendation Set” as a collection of W3C Recommendations that together define the new version of RDF. The exact editorial structure of these documents is to be defined by the Working Group
David Wood: This section simply refers to “RDF Recommendation Set” as a collection of W3C Recommendations that together define the new version of RDF. The exact editorial structure of these documents is to be defined by the Working Group ←
17:02:55 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
17:03:01 <PatHayes> Guus just vanished
Patrick Hayes: Guus just vanished ←
17:03:03 <davidwood> ack ivan
David Wood: ack ivan ←
17:04:06 <hsbauer> ivan: we have to clarify. what is the work ahead of us. explict charter work, remaining work from last time.
Ivan Herman: we have to clarify. what is the work ahead of us. explict charter work, remaining work from last time. ←
17:04:43 <PatHayes> There are several bugs in the sematnics document that need to be fixed. The sheer editing will take time, measured in at least weeks maybe months, given the need to check all changes.
Patrick Hayes: There are several bugs in the sematnics document that need to be fixed. The sheer editing will take time, measured in at least weeks maybe months, given the need to check all changes. ←
17:04:53 <hsbauer> david: I agree. Ivan would you take action item to start the wiki for the f2f
David Wood: I agree. Ivan would you take action item to start the wiki for the f2f ←
17:05:20 <davidwood> action: Ivan to establish a wiki page for the FTF1 agenda and list initial content
ACTION: Ivan to establish a wiki page for the FTF1 agenda and list initial content ←
17:05:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Establish a wiki page for the FTF1 agenda and list initial content [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-03-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-18 - Establish a wiki page for the FTF1 agenda and list initial content [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-03-09]. ←
17:05:32 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
17:05:38 <davidwood> ack Sandro
David Wood: ack Sandro ←
17:05:38 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to clarify documents
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to clarify documents ←
17:06:04 <hsbauer> sandro: no clear notion about how much change needs to be done to existing documents
Sandro Hawke: no clear notion about how much change needs to be done to existing documents ←
17:06:15 <hsbauer> ... turtle is a new document
... turtle is a new document ←
17:06:25 <hsbauer> ... are the graphs a new document
... are the graphs a new document ←
17:06:35 <hsbauer> ... json also a new document
... json also a new document ←
17:06:35 <PatHayes> It seems clear that Concepts will need at least a thorough editing.
Patrick Hayes: It seems clear that Concepts will need at least a thorough editing. ←
17:06:54 <PatHayes> Right.
Patrick Hayes: Right. ←
17:07:26 <AndyS> Don't see how "TriG" fits [if appropriate] but /me assuming that it can fit in TTL if need be.
Andy Seaborne: Don't see how "TriG" fits [if appropriate] but /me assuming that it can fit in TTL if need be. ←
17:07:38 <hsbauer> david: updates needed, propose continue with existing and add turtle and json
David Wood: updates needed, propose continue with existing and add turtle and json ←
17:07:50 <sandro> sandro: strawman proposal -- revise each existing document, add two more, JSON and Turtle
Sandro Hawke: strawman proposal -- revise each existing document, add two more, JSON and Turtle [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:07:51 <manu> +1 to Sandro's suggestion on creating new TURTLE and RDFinJSON documents, updating the rest.
Manu Sporny: +1 to Sandro's suggestion on creating new TURTLE and RDFinJSON documents, updating the rest. ←
17:08:12 <PatHayes> +1 to sandro
Patrick Hayes: +1 to sandro ←
17:08:18 <webr3> manu, RDF in JSON or RDFable JSON ? v different
Nathan Rixham: manu, RDF in JSON or RDFable JSON ? v different ←
17:08:20 <manu> AndyS - I'd expect TRiG to be shoved into TURTLE.
Manu Sporny: AndyS - I'd expect TRiG to be shoved into TURTLE. ←
17:08:25 <AndyS> q+ to ask about N-Triples
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask about N-Triples ←
17:08:51 <PatHayes> galapagos?
Patrick Hayes: galapagos? ←
17:08:59 <gavinc> Can it have a cape?
Gavin Carothers: Can it have a cape? ←
17:09:03 <manu> webr3 - RDFable JSON (not fond of just shoving RDF triples into a JSON format)
Manu Sporny: webr3 - RDFable JSON (not fond of just shoving RDF triples into a JSON format) ←
17:09:15 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
17:09:26 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveH (1%), davidwood (29%), PatH (22%), Sandro (19%), Ivan (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveH (1%), davidwood (29%), PatH (22%), Sandro (19%), Ivan (5%) ←
17:09:29 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
17:09:29 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about N-Triples
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask about N-Triples ←
17:09:37 <sandro> sandro: Maybe the quads-turtle can be superturtle, with some extra features
Sandro Hawke: Maybe the quads-turtle can be superturtle, with some extra features [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:10:08 <hsbauer> AndyS: not precisely defined for n-triples can it be under this banner
Andy Seaborne: not precisely defined for n-triples can it be under this banner ←
17:10:17 <PatHayes> Sounds like we need a 'various triples formats' document. Can this be in the primer?
Patrick Hayes: Sounds like we need a 'various triples formats' document. Can this be in the primer? ←
17:10:46 <gavinc> +1 as N-Triples and N-Quads as a subset of Turtle
Gavin Carothers: +1 as N-Triples and N-Quads as a subset of Turtle ←
17:10:47 <hsbauer> ... hoping n-triples refinement in scope
... hoping n-triples refinement in scope ←
17:11:09 <hsbauer> sandro: keep n-triples around
Sandro Hawke: keep n-triples around ←
17:11:10 <webr3> we need registered media type for n-triples
Nathan Rixham: we need registered media type for n-triples ←
17:11:12 <gavinc> One mime type would be nice.
Gavin Carothers: One mime type would be nice. ←
17:11:17 <hsbauer> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
17:11:18 <AlexHall> I think every implementation of N-Triples treats it as a subset of Turtle anyways, so I don't see much danger there
Alex Hall: I think every implementation of N-Triples treats it as a subset of Turtle anyways, so I don't see much danger there ←
17:11:28 <Zakim> hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (9%), Sandro (45%), AndyS (46%), Ivan (33%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hsbauer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (9%), Sandro (45%), AndyS (46%), Ivan (33%) ←
17:11:41 <AndyS> <s> <p> <o> . is different in N-Triples and Turtle
Andy Seaborne: <s> <p> <o> . is different in N-Triples and Turtle ←
17:11:44 <PatHayes> utf-8 vs ascii is NICE??
Patrick Hayes: utf-8 vs ascii is NICE?? ←
17:11:45 <SteveH> AlexHall, no, many treat it differently
Steve Harris: AlexHall, no, many treat it differently ←
17:12:01 <gavinc> Yeah, as Turtle is UTF-8 and NTriples is ASCII
Gavin Carothers: Yeah, as Turtle is UTF-8 and NTriples is ASCII ←
17:12:21 <webr3> ascii-7 bit, all /text tree is us-ascii 7-bit ..
Nathan Rixham: ascii-7 bit, all /text tree is us-ascii 7-bit .. ←
17:12:48 <sandro> andy: n-triples doesn't resolve uris, so <s> is a valid URI from its perspective, "s".
Andy Seaborne: n-triples doesn't resolve uris, so <s> is a valid URI from its perspective, "s". [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:12:49 <hsbauer> AndyS: n-triples doesn't say anything about resolving uris.
Andy Seaborne: n-triples doesn't say anything about resolving relative uris. ←
17:13:09 <mischat> s/resolving uris/resolving relative uris/
17:13:10 <hsbauer> david: gavin raised mime-type registration
David Wood: gavin raised mime-type registration ←
17:13:20 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
17:13:28 <hsbauer> ivan: unfinished mime-type reg in turtle
Ivan Herman: unfinished mime-type reg in turtle ←
17:13:46 <AndyS> Very keen to not have N-Triples being text/plain
Andy Seaborne: Very keen to not have N-Triples being text/plain ←
17:14:01 <sandro> +1 andy
Sandro Hawke: +1 andy ←
17:14:07 <SteveH> +1 to AndyS
Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS ←
17:14:19 <hsbauer> david: closing for business. Adjourning.
David Wood: closing for business. Adjourning. ←
17:14:34 <hsbauer> ... reminder to participate in task forces.
... reminder to participate in task forces. ←
17:15:26 <hsbauer> ... scribe for next week Christopher Matthews?
... scribe for next week Christopher Matthews? ←
17:15:27 <cmatheus> correct. yes.
Christopher Matheus: correct. yes. ←
17:15:33 <cmatheus> I
17:15:40 <hsbauer> ... matheus
... matheus ←
17:15:44 <gavinc> AndyS, yeah: text/plain, application/n-triples, application/x-n-triples, text/n-triples, text/x-n-triples ... ah, NTriples
Gavin Carothers: AndyS, yeah: text/plain, application/n-triples, application/x-n-triples, text/n-triples, text/x-n-triples ... ah, NTriples ←
17:15:48 <cmatheus> I don't have full telephone access today.
Christopher Matheus: I don't have full telephone access today. ←
17:16:01 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
17:16:02 <zwu2> thanks
17:16:03 <PatHayes> Bye.
Patrick Hayes: Bye. ←
17:16:04 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
17:16:04 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
17:16:04 <mbrunati> bye
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