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14:02:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/14-owl-irc
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14:02:32 <IanH> zakim, this is owl
Ian Horrocks: zakim, this is owl ←
14:02:32 <Zakim> ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM ←
14:02:53 <IanH> zakim, this will be owl
Ian Horrocks: zakim, this will be owl ←
14:02:53 <Zakim> ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()10:00AM already started ←
14:03:30 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
14:03:30 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.14
Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.14 ←
14:03:48 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P5, Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P5, Evan_Wallace ←
14:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot ←
14:03:59 <IanH> zakim, ??p5 is me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??p5 is me ←
14:03:59 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
14:04:06 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace ←
14:04:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot ←
14:05:11 <Zakim> +Deb_McGuinness
Zakim IRC Bot: +Deb_McGuinness ←
14:06:26 <ewallace> look fine to me
Evan Wallace: look fine to me ←
14:06:32 <pfps> beautiful :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: beautiful :-) ←
14:06:35 <IanH> scribenik: IanH
Scribe problem: the name 'scribenik' does not match any of the 52 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Rob Shearer Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown scribenik: IanH [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
14:06:52 <ewallace> scribeNick: IanH
(Scribe set to Ian Horrocks)
14:06:53 <pfps> scribenick: IanH
14:06:58 <IanH> PROPOSED: accept previous minutes
PROPOSED: accept previous minutes ←
14:07:09 <IanH> RESOLVED: accept previous minutes
RESOLVED: accept previous minutes ←
14:07:45 <pfps> he's dead, Jim.
Peter Patel-Schneider: he's dead, Jim. ←
14:07:46 <ewallace> agreed. action done
Evan Wallace: agreed. action done ←
14:08:42 <IanH> Topic: Action items status
14:08:47 <dlm> i think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix is the filled out matrix
Deborah McGuinness: i think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix is the filled out matrix ←
14:09:01 <IanH> Evan: action 153 is completed
Evan Wallace: ACTION-153 is completed ←
14:09:18 <IanH> Topic: Use Case and Requirements document
14:09:44 <IanH> Evan: Christine has done a lot of work
Evan Wallace: Christine has done a lot of work ←
14:10:05 <IanH> ... Vilup has created separate use case page and is working on it
... Vilup has created separate use case page and is working on it ←
14:10:34 <IanH> Evan: How to edit docuemt?
Evan Wallace: How to edit docuemt? ←
14:10:39 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications ←
14:11:42 <IanH> Ian: How would Michel's Google docs proposal work?
Ian Horrocks: How would Michel's Google docs proposal work? ←
14:11:53 <IanH> Deb: Has Peter got this working?
Deborah McGuinness: Has Peter got this working? ←
14:11:57 <IanH> Peter: No!
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Unknown Peter: No! ←
14:12:21 <IanH> Deb: Working on local Wiki then copying over.
Deborah McGuinness: Working on local Wiki then copying over. ←
14:13:22 <IanH> Ian: Don't see there is really a problem any more.
Ian Horrocks: Don't see there is really a problem any more. ←
14:13:46 <ewallace> Yes. Wiki is silent about multiple editors.
Evan Wallace: Yes. Wiki is silent about multiple editors. ←
14:14:14 <IanH> Deb: big problem is that Vipul and Christine disagree on structure.
Deborah McGuinness: big problem is that Vipul and Christine disagree on structure. ←
14:15:01 <IanH> Evan: let the two run in parallel for now then make a decision.
Evan Wallace: let the two run in parallel for now then make a decision. ←
14:16:02 <IanH> Ian: Let's just get on with adding content.
Ian Horrocks: Let's just get on with adding content. ←
14:17:04 <IanH> Ian: Logistics -- let's just carry on with the Wiki.
Ian Horrocks: Logistics -- let's just carry on with the Wiki. ←
14:17:54 <IanH> Evan: Agree -- let's carry on with the Wiki for now and notify co-authors
Evan Wallace: Agree -- let's carry on with the Wiki for now and notify co-authors ←
14:18:48 <dlm> so updates are best done to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ?
Deborah McGuinness: so updates are best done to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ? ←
14:18:53 <IanH> Ian: OK, so let's go ahead with Wiki and add as much content as possible
Ian Horrocks: OK, so let's go ahead with Wiki and add as much content as possible ←
14:19:10 <IanH> Evan: Yes, this is the right place
Evan Wallace: Yes, this is the right place ←
14:19:29 <IanH> ... you could also work on Vipul's part/version
... you could also work on Vipul's part/version ←
14:19:46 <IanH> Deb: prefer to work on Vipul's part
Deborah McGuinness: prefer to work on Vipul's part ←
14:20:00 <IanH> Evan: fine -- please do that and we will merge later
Evan Wallace: fine -- please do that and we will merge later ←
14:20:29 <IanH> ... put use cases in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
... put use cases in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications ←
14:21:10 <IanH> Ian: schedule for review of draft?
Ian Horrocks: schedule for review of draft? ←
14:21:51 <IanH> Evan: what is the deadline?
Evan Wallace: what is the deadline? ←
14:22:01 <IanH> Ian: at least one week ahead of F2F
Ian Horrocks: at least one week ahead of F2F ←
14:24:44 <IanH> Evan: Let's freeze a version on Friday for F2F review
Evan Wallace: Let's freeze a version on Friday for F2F review ←
14:25:38 <IanH> ... can we only decide on Working Draft at F2F?
... can we only decide on Working Draft at F2F? ←
14:25:57 <IanH> Ian: No not at all.
Ian Horrocks: No not at all. ←
14:26:25 <IanH> ... What about multiple parts?
... What about multiple parts? ←
14:26:32 <IanH> Evan: it will be a compound document
Evan Wallace: it will be a compound document ←
14:27:56 <pfps> yes
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes ←
14:28:48 <IanH> Ian: Could we produce an HTML doc?
Ian Horrocks: Could we produce an HTML doc? ←
14:28:55 <IanH> pfps: need Sandro
Peter Patel-Schneider: need Sandro ←
14:29:15 <IanH> action: Evan will contact Sandro about HTML
ACTION: Evan will contact Sandro about HTML ←
14:29:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Will contact Sandro about HTML [on Evan Wallace - due 2008-07-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-167 - Will contact Sandro about HTML [on Evan Wallace - due 2008-07-21]. ←
14:30:07 <IanH> Ian: I will but it on F2F agenda
Ian Horrocks: I will but it on F2F agenda ←
14:30:23 <IanH> Topic: Date and time of next meeting
14:30:28 <IanH> Ian: next week
Ian Horrocks: next week ←
14:30:36 <dlm> elisa and i promised to get something up at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide for next monday
Deborah McGuinness: elisa and i promised to get something up at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide for next monday ←
14:31:17 <IanH> Ian: when will it be there?
Ian Horrocks: when will it be there? ←
14:31:27 <IanH> Deb: not until next Monday
Deborah McGuinness: not until next Monday ←
14:31:45 <IanH> Ian: ASAP please.
Ian Horrocks: ASAP please. ←
14:31:58 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
14:32:01 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
14:32:03 <Zakim> -Deb_McGuinness
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Deb_McGuinness ←
14:32:04 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
14:32:05 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended ←
14:32:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Deb_McGuinness
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Deb_McGuinness ←
14:37:10 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
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RRSAgent, make records public ←
14:59:20 <michel> *sigh*
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Michel Dumontier: *sigh* ←
14:59:35 <michel> my mistake, i thought it was at 11
Michel Dumontier: my mistake, i thought it was at 11 ←
15:00:23 <michel> so what's the deal
Michel Dumontier: so what's the deal ←
15:00:26 <ewallace> at 10 EDT these days
Evan Wallace: at 10 EDT these days ←
15:00:45 <ewallace> we decided to continue to use the Wiki
Evan Wallace: we decided to continue to use the Wiki ←
15:00:58 <ewallace> we will produce a frozen draft on Friday
Evan Wallace: we will produce a frozen draft on Friday ←
15:01:15 <ewallace> ... for review at the upcoming face-to-face meeting of the wg
Evan Wallace: ... for review at the upcoming face-to-face meeting of the wg ←
15:01:21 <michel> in what manner should i participate
Michel Dumontier: in what manner should i participate ←
15:01:34 <michel> given the so-called "locks"
Michel Dumontier: given the so-called "locks" ←
15:01:47 <ewallace> Christine is on vacation
Evan Wallace: Christine is on vacation ←
15:02:09 <ewallace> we should be able to do joint editing
Evan Wallace: we should be able to do joint editing ←
15:02:32 <ewallace> mediaWiki is supposed to sort out multiple simultaneous edits
Evan Wallace: mediaWiki is supposed to sort out multiple simultaneous edits ←
15:02:38 <michel> o?
Michel Dumontier: o? ←
15:02:52 <ewallace> but things get screwed up when major changes are made
Evan Wallace: but things get screwed up when major changes are made ←
15:03:00 <michel> ok
Michel Dumontier: ok ←
15:03:12 <ewallace> and it doesn't warn folks that others are editing
Evan Wallace: and it doesn't warn folks that others are editing ←
15:03:18 <michel> ya
Michel Dumontier: ya ←
15:03:27 <michel> so are we working from: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements
Michel Dumontier: so are we working from: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements ←
15:03:59 <ewallace> technically its http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Evan Wallace: technically its http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
15:04:22 <michel> ok
Michel Dumontier: ok ←
15:04:37 <ewallace> and a second use cases section here:
Evan Wallace: and a second use cases section here: ←
15:04:37 <michel> are we agreed on the structure of the document
Michel Dumontier: are we agreed on the structure of the document ←
15:04:39 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications ←
15:04:58 <ewallace> We still have two views about use cases
Evan Wallace: We still have two views about use cases ←
15:05:31 <ewallace> hence the two sections
Evan Wallace: hence the two sections ←
15:05:44 <michel> ok, we should resolve this
Michel Dumontier: ok, we should resolve this ←
15:05:53 <ewallace> I figure that it will fall on me to merge the sections eventually
Evan Wallace: I figure that it will fall on me to merge the sections eventually ←
15:06:01 <michel> :-(
Michel Dumontier: :-( ←
15:06:54 <ewallace> Because Christine has her own criteria for UC inclusion, I think we should add new UCs
Evan Wallace: Because Christine has her own criteria for UC inclusion, I think we should add new UCs ←
15:07:03 <ewallace> ... in Vipul's section
Evan Wallace: ... in Vipul's section ←
15:09:10 <ewallace> For now I just think of the document as having two use case sections
Evan Wallace: For now I just think of the document as having two use case sections ←
15:09:21 <michel> which should i edit?
Michel Dumontier: which should i edit? ←
15:10:04 <ewallace> I would say Vipul's if you are adding Use Cases, and RequirementsDraft for the rest
Evan Wallace: I would say Vipul's if you are adding Use Cases, and RequirementsDraft for the rest ←
15:10:32 <michel> ok
Michel Dumontier: ok ←
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