IRC log of owl on 2008-07-14

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/14-owl-irc

14:02:32 [IanH]

zakim, this is owl

14:02:32 [Zakim]

ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM

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zakim, this will be owl

14:02:53 [Zakim]

ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()10:00AM already started

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+Evan_Wallace

14:03:30 [IanH]

IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.14

14:03:48 [IanH]

zakim, who is here?

14:03:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P5, Evan_Wallace

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On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot

14:03:59 [IanH]

zakim, ??p5 is me

14:03:59 [Zakim]

+IanH; got it

14:04:06 [IanH]

zakim, who is here?

14:04:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace

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On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot

14:05:11 [Zakim]

+Deb_McGuinness

14:06:26 [ewallace]

look fine to me

14:06:32 [pfps]

beautiful :-)

14:06:35 [IanH]

scribenik: IanH

14:06:52 [ewallace]

scribeNick: IanH

14:06:53 [pfps]

scribenick: IanH

14:06:58 [IanH]

PROPOSED: accept previous minutes

14:07:09 [IanH]

RESOLVED: accept previous minutes

14:07:45 [pfps]

he's dead, Jim.

14:07:46 [ewallace]

agreed. action done

14:08:42 [IanH]

Topic: Action items status

14:08:47 [dlm]

i think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix is the filled out matrix

14:09:01 [IanH]

Evan: action 153 is completed

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Topic: Use Case and Requirements document

14:09:44 [IanH]

Evan: Christine has done a lot of work

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... Vilup has created separate use case page and is working on it

14:10:34 [IanH]

Evan: How to edit docuemt?

14:10:39 [ewallace]

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications

14:11:42 [IanH]

Ian: How would Michel's Google docs proposal work?

14:11:53 [IanH]

Deb: Has Peter got this working?

14:11:57 [IanH]

Peter: No!

14:12:21 [IanH]

Deb: Working on local Wiki then copying over.

14:13:22 [IanH]

Ian: Don't see there is really a problem any more.

14:13:46 [ewallace]

Yes. Wiki is silent about multiple editors.

14:14:14 [IanH]

Deb: big problem is that Vipul and Christine disagree on structure.

14:15:01 [IanH]

Evan: let the two run in parallel for now then make a decision.

14:16:02 [IanH]

Ian: Let's just get on with adding content.

14:17:04 [IanH]

Ian: Logistics -- let's just carry on with the Wiki.

14:17:54 [IanH]

Evan: Agree -- let's carry on with the Wiki for now and notify co-authors

14:18:48 [dlm]

so updates are best done to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ?

14:18:53 [IanH]

Ian: OK, so let's go ahead with Wiki and add as much content as possible

14:19:10 [IanH]

Evan: Yes, this is the right place

14:19:29 [IanH]

... you could also work on Vipul's part/version

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Deb: prefer to work on Vipul's part

14:20:00 [IanH]

Evan: fine -- please do that and we will merge later

14:20:29 [IanH]

... put use cases in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications

14:21:10 [IanH]

Ian: schedule for review of draft?

14:21:51 [IanH]

Evan: what is the deadline?

14:22:01 [IanH]

Ian: at least one week ahead of F2F

14:24:44 [IanH]

Evan: Let's freeze a version on Friday for F2F review

14:25:38 [IanH]

... can we only decide on Working Draft at F2F?

14:25:57 [IanH]

Ian: No not at all.

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... What about multiple parts?

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Evan: it will be a compound document

14:27:56 [pfps]

yes

14:28:48 [IanH]

Ian: Could we produce an HTML doc?

14:28:55 [IanH]

pfps: need Sandro

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action: Evan will contact Sandro about HTML

14:29:15 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-167 - Will contact Sandro about HTML [on Evan Wallace - due 2008-07-21].

14:30:07 [IanH]

Ian: I will but it on F2F agenda

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Topic: Date and time of next meeting

14:30:28 [IanH]

Ian: next week

14:30:36 [dlm]

elisa and i promised to get something up at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide for next monday

14:31:17 [IanH]

Ian: when will it be there?

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Deb: not until next Monday

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Ian: ASAP please.

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-Evan_Wallace

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-IanH

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-Deb_McGuinness

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-Peter_Patel-Schneider

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SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Deb_McGuinness

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RRSAgent, make records public

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14:59:20 [michel]

*sigh*

14:59:35 [michel]

my mistake, i thought it was at 11

15:00:23 [michel]

so what's the deal

15:00:26 [ewallace]

at 10 EDT these days

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we decided to continue to use the Wiki

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we will produce a frozen draft on Friday

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... for review at the upcoming face-to-face meeting of the wg

15:01:21 [michel]

in what manner should i participate

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given the so-called "locks"

15:01:47 [ewallace]

Christine is on vacation

15:02:09 [ewallace]

we should be able to do joint editing

15:02:32 [ewallace]

mediaWiki is supposed to sort out multiple simultaneous edits

15:02:38 [michel]

o?

15:02:52 [ewallace]

but things get screwed up when major changes are made

15:03:00 [michel]

ok

15:03:12 [ewallace]

and it doesn't warn folks that others are editing

15:03:18 [michel]

ya

15:03:27 [michel]

so are we working from: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements

15:03:59 [ewallace]

technically its http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft

15:04:22 [michel]

ok

15:04:37 [ewallace]

and a second use cases section here:

15:04:37 [michel]

are we agreed on the structure of the document

15:04:39 [ewallace]

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications

15:04:58 [ewallace]

We still have two views about use cases

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hence the two sections

15:05:44 [michel]

ok, we should resolve this

15:05:53 [ewallace]

I figure that it will fall on me to merge the sections eventually

15:06:01 [michel]

:-(

15:06:54 [ewallace]

Because Christine has her own criteria for UC inclusion, I think we should add new UCs

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... in Vipul's section

15:09:10 [ewallace]

For now I just think of the document as having two use case sections

15:09:21 [michel]

which should i edit?

15:10:04 [ewallace]

I would say Vipul's if you are adding Use Cases, and RequirementsDraft for the rest

15:10:32 [michel]

ok

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