Meeting Record

OWL Working Group

Minutes of 07 November 2007

Seen

Achille Fokoue, Alan Ruttenberg, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Bijan Parsia, Boris Motik, Conrad Bock, Doug Lenat, Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Fabian Neuhaus, Fabien Gandon, Giorgos Stoilos, Ian Horrocks, Ivan Herman, Markus Krötzsch, Martin Dzbor, Michael Smith, Peter Patel-Schneider, Ratnesh Sahay, Rinke Hoekstra, Uli Sattler, Unknown CarstenLutz, Unknown Carsten, Unknown JeremyCarroll, Unknown jjc2, Unknown jjc, Zhe Wu

Scribe

Achille Fokoue

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

minutes accepted link
Issue 2 AllDisjoint will be added in the docs link
AllDisjoint will be added to the functional syntax and the RDF mapping link
Issue 2 A O(n) rdf mapping of disjointClasses will be added link
Resolved issue 13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames. (with checkin one written into the spec) link

Topics

Issues
Issue 3 (anonymous individuals)
Issue 13 and 14 (quotation and CURIES)
second f2f
additional other business?
Issue 13 and 14

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17:27:15 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc ←

17:28:40 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, this is SW_OWL

Scribe problem: the name 'JeremyCarroll' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown JeremyCarroll: Zakim, this is SW_OWL ←

17:28:40 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be SW_OWL".

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be SW_OWL". ←

17:28:54 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, this will be SW_OWL

Unknown JeremyCarroll: Zakim, this will be SW_OWL ←

17:28:54 <Zakim> ok, JeremyCarroll; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 28 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, JeremyCarroll; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 28 minutes ago ←

17:29:30 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started ←

17:29:37 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.975.aaaa ←

17:30:38 <Zakim> +Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan ←

17:30:56 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←

17:31:02 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←

17:31:03 <alanr> zakim, aaaa is Conrad

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aaaa is Conrad ←

17:31:04 <Zakim> +Conrad; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Conrad; got it ←

17:31:06 <jjc> Zakim, ?P4 is me

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Unknown jjc: Zakim, ?P4 is me ←

17:31:06 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P4'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P4' ←

17:31:13 <jjc> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Unknown jjc: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←

17:31:13 <Zakim> +jjc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it ←

17:31:25 <bijan> zakim, ??p5 is me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p5 is me ←

17:31:25 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←

17:31:31 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

17:31:31 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

17:31:34 <alanr> zakim, who is on the line

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is on the line ←

17:31:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the line', alanr

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the line', alanr ←

17:31:37 <bijan> can yu hear me now?

Bijan Parsia: can yu hear me now? ←

17:31:45 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←

17:31:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted) ←

17:31:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see ew, jjc, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeremyCarroll, MartinD, CarstenLutz, ivan, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ew, jjc, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeremyCarroll, MartinD, CarstenLutz, ivan, bijan, trackbot-ng ←

17:31:51 <bijan> I'm testing muting

Bijan Parsia: I'm testing muting ←

17:31:57 <bijan> Excellent

Bijan Parsia: Excellent ←

17:32:07 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←

17:32:09 <MartinD> zakim, ??p6 is me

Martin Dzbor: zakim, ??p6 is me ←

17:32:09 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it ←

17:33:26 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←

17:33:53 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

17:33:53 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

17:34:46 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

17:34:46 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

17:35:44 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←

17:35:53 <pfps> zakim, ??P8 is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??P8 is me ←

17:35:53 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←

17:35:57 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

17:35:57 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←

17:36:42 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

17:36:42 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

17:37:00 <jjc2> Thursday 15th

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Unknown jjc2: Thursday 15th ←

17:37:00 <jjc2> Rome           18:30

Unknown jjc2: Rome 18:30 ←

17:37:00 <jjc2> London         17:30

Unknown jjc2: London 17:30 ←

17:37:00 <jjc2> New York       12:30

Unknown jjc2: New York 12:30 ←

17:37:00 <jjc2> Silicon Valley 09:30

Unknown jjc2: Silicon Valley 09:30 ←

17:37:01 <jjc2> Korea  (fri)   02:30

Unknown jjc2: Korea (fri) 02:30 ←

17:38:20 <pfps> i'm here

Peter Patel-Schneider: i'm here ←

17:38:41 <pfps> well, sud tirol, technically italy

Peter Patel-Schneider: well, sud tirol, technically italy ←

17:38:44 <bijan> whine whine

Bijan Parsia: whine whine ←

17:38:48 <jjc2> difficuklt for Bijan, but will try

Unknown jjc2: difficuklt for Bijan, but will try ←

17:38:50 <pfps> ditto

Peter Patel-Schneider: ditto ←

17:38:59 <pfps> dead silence :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: dead silence :-) ←

17:39:00 <bijan> Oh, that was "difficult for alan" not bijan

Bijan Parsia: Oh, that was "difficult for alan" not bijan ←

17:39:05 <bijan> I'm not

Bijan Parsia: I'm not ←

17:39:15 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

17:39:15 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←

17:39:28 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←

17:40:53 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←

17:41:14 <jjc> Jeremy + Vipul happy to start on UCR

Unknown jjc: Jeremy + Vipul happy to start on UCR ←

17:41:22 <jjc> without blanque cheque for publication

Unknown jjc: without blanque cheque for publication ←

17:41:34 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Table_of_Examples

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Table_of_Examples ←

17:41:41 <jjc> no objections heard

Unknown jjc: no objections heard ←

17:41:51 <pfps> ok by me, but I'm not keen on the current format

Peter Patel-Schneider: ok by me, but I'm not keen on the current format ←

17:42:22 <pfps> what is the format for this doc?  I'm assuming Features

Peter Patel-Schneider: what is the format for this doc? I'm assuming Features ←

17:42:29 <jjc2> item: what are the goals of UFD?

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Unknown item: what are the goals of UFD? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

17:42:42 <jjc2> Alan kicks off ...

Unknown jjc2: Alan kicks off ... ←

17:43:00 <jjc2> Alan: I would like statements of what people agree about in documentation

Alan Ruttenberg: I would like statements of what people agree about in documentation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

17:43:28 <pfps> brevity is the soul of documents?

Peter Patel-Schneider: brevity is the soul of documents? ←

17:43:28 <jjc2> Alan: Bijan said documents that are likely to go stale might be not good

Alan Ruttenberg: Bijan said documents that are likely to go stale might be not good [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

17:43:45 <jjc2> someone: disagreed with staleness crtiteria

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Unknown someone: disagreed with staleness crtiteria [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

17:43:57 <jjc2> documents may be useful in the short term and not have life term

Unknown jjc2: documents may be useful in the short term and not have life term ←

17:44:10 <ew> Evan disagreed with staleness criteria

Evan Wallace: Evan disagreed with staleness criteria ←

17:44:18 <jjc2> Bijan: I care most about formal deliverables

Bijan Parsia: I care most about formal deliverables [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

17:44:49 <jjc> Bijan: a table created by the WG may be useful into the future

Bijan Parsia: a table created by the WG may be useful into the future [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

17:45:08 <jjc> old WebOnt OWL 1.0 pages are stale, e.g. which systems pass which tests

Unknown jjc: old WebOnt OWL 1.0 pages are stale, e.g. which systems pass which tests ←

17:45:57 <jjc> evan: yes this material could move later

Evan Wallace: yes this material could move later [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

17:46:19 <jjc> bijan and evan agree that they may or may not end up in WG document

Unknown jjc: bijan and evan agree that they may or may not end up in WG document ←

17:48:02 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

17:48:12 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←

17:48:27 <jjc2> Bijan cares most about formal deliverables

Unknown jjc2: Bijan cares most about formal deliverables ←

17:48:43 <jjc2> (aside on temrinology WG Submission or WG Note)

Unknown jjc2: (aside on temrinology WG Submission or WG Note) ←

17:48:47 <bijan> hmm. it was called a note...maybe they changed it back: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/

Bijan Parsia: hmm. it was called a note...maybe they changed it back: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/ ←

17:49:00 <bijan> Wsdl had a lot of them: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/

Bijan Parsia: Wsdl had a lot of them: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/ ←

17:49:11 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/

Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/ ←

17:49:20 <Zakim> +Rinke

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke ←

17:49:42 <pfps> that's funny - I think that formal docs are the only way to determine how a language works

Peter Patel-Schneider: that's funny - I think that formal docs are the only way to determine how a language works ←

17:49:50 <Zakim> +Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten ←

17:49:53 <jjc> alan: some documents that people might read to learn about the technology produced by this WG

Alan Ruttenberg: some documents that people might read to learn about the technology produced by this WG [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

17:50:11 <jjc> bijan: I don't like W3C producing tutorial stsyle material

Bijan Parsia: I don't like W3C producing tutorial stsyle material [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

17:50:19 <CarstenLutz> zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'CarstenLutz' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown CarstenLutz: zakim, mute me ←

17:50:19 <Zakim> sorry, CarstenLutz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, CarstenLutz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

17:50:26 <jjc> because it detracts from the key mission of the WG

Unknown jjc: because it detracts from the key mission of the WG ←

17:50:39 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

17:50:43 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←

17:50:56 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←

17:50:56 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←

17:50:56 <jjc> and because I produce my own tutorial style material, and I don't like helping the competition

Unknown jjc: and because I produce my own tutorial style material, and I don't like helping the competition ←

17:51:09 <Carsten> Ivan, are you there?

Unknown Carsten: Ivan, are you there? ←

17:51:22 <pfps> I think that Alan is making Bijan's point for him.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that Alan is making Bijan's point for him. ←

17:51:37 <jjc> alan: I've seen tutorials scattered over the Web, and I would like to see better materials at W3C, because that's where people go first

Alan Ruttenberg: I've seen tutorials scattered over the Web, and I would like to see better materials at W3C, because that's where people go first [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

17:52:03 <jjc2> alan: have you seen evidence that W3C efforts stifle 3rd party work

Alan Ruttenberg: have you seen evidence that W3C efforts stifle 3rd party work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

17:52:27 <jjc2> q+ to put my case

Unknown jjc2: q+ to put my case ←

17:52:34 <ivan> carsten, sorry, I just took a dinner

Ivan Herman: carsten, sorry, I just took a dinner ←

17:52:37 <ivan> but I am back

Ivan Herman: but I am back ←

17:52:38 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+ ←

17:52:39 <Rinke> zakim, mute me

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me ←

17:52:40 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted ←

17:52:45 <ivan> and dialing in a minute

Ivan Herman: and dialing in a minute ←

17:53:08 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

17:53:08 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←

17:53:09 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←

17:54:18 <ew> I'm having trouble hearing most people

Evan Wallace: I'm having trouble hearing most people ←

17:54:28 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←

17:54:35 <alanr> q- alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr ←

17:54:56 <alanr> q+ alanr to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms ←

17:55:31 <Carsten> Ivan: now I was away, sorry; what I wanted to say: I am still not on the WG mailing list.

Ivan Herman: now I was away, sorry; what I wanted to say: I am still not on the WG mailing list. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Carsten ] ←

17:55:32 <Carsten> Can you put me on?

Unknown Carsten: Can you put me on? ←

17:55:34 <conrad> q+

Conrad Bock: q+ ←

17:55:52 <ew> q+

Evan Wallace: q+ ←

17:56:05 <alanr> ack jjc

Alan Ruttenberg: ack jjc ←

17:56:05 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to put my case

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to put my case ←

17:56:09 <alanr> ack bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←

17:56:11 <ivan> carsten, unfortunately, Sandro has the control of the mailing list

Ivan Herman: carsten, unfortunately, Sandro has the control of the mailing list ←

17:56:11 <Ratnesh> Ratnesh from DERI Galway

Ratnesh Sahay: Ratnesh from DERI Galway ←

17:56:22 <jjc> jeremy: i think its good for all WG participants to be to do things in WG, such as taking the technical stuff

Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jeremy: i think its good for all WG participants to be to do things in WG, such as taking the technical stuff [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

17:56:41 <ivan> could you send him a mail again? hopefully the bug he was referring to is gone

Ivan Herman: could you send him a mail again? hopefully the bug he was referring to is gone ←

17:56:51 <jjc> and making it more accessible

Unknown jjc: and making it more accessible ←

17:56:51 <Carsten> ivan; ok, then I'll remind him. Ian had already sent him a mail asking to add me, but I guess he overlooked it.

Unknown Carsten: ivan; ok, then I'll remind him. Ian had already sent him a mail asking to add me, but I guess he overlooked it. ←

17:57:02 <Carsten> ivan, which bug?

Unknown Carsten: ivan, which bug? ←

17:57:02 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←

17:57:15 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p12 is bmotik

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p12 is bmotik ←

17:57:15 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←

17:57:19 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←

17:57:19 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←

17:57:26 <ivan> I think he said that there was a bug in the mailing list control, that is why he could not put you on the list

Ivan Herman: I think he said that there was a bug in the mailing list control, that is why he could not put you on the list ←

17:57:27 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←

17:57:38 <Zakim> +Fabien

Zakim IRC Bot: +Fabien ←

17:57:41 <Carsten> ivan: ok, I missed that. Will remind him, thanks.

Ivan Herman: ok, I missed that. Will remind him, thanks. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Carsten ] ←

17:57:59 <Zakim> +??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←

17:58:08 <achille> yes

Achille Fokoue: yes ←

17:58:15 <jjc2> TIME please on UFDTF

Unknown jjc2: TIME please on UFDTF ←

17:58:15 <conrad> User facing people on the WG have an advantage over those who aren't.

Conrad Bock: User facing people on the WG have an advantage over those who aren't. ←

17:58:16 <ivan> zakim, [IBM] is Achille

Ivan Herman: zakim, [IBM] is Achille ←

17:58:16 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←

17:58:26 <Zakim> +MikeSmith

Zakim IRC Bot: +MikeSmith ←

17:58:39 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←

17:58:42 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←

17:58:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16, ←

17:58:45 <achille> ScribeNick: achille

(Scribe set to Achille Fokoue)

17:58:46 <Zakim> ... MikeSmith, ??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MikeSmith, ??P17 ←

17:58:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan, ←

17:58:49 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot-ng ←

17:58:54 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←

17:59:00 <jjc2> (I appreciate Bijan's openness)

Unknown jjc2: (I appreciate Bijan's openness) ←

17:59:01 <uli> zakim, ??p17 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??p17 is me ←

17:59:01 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←

17:59:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←

17:59:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16, ←

17:59:32 <Zakim> ... MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK ←

17:59:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan, ←

17:59:36 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot-ng ←

17:59:41 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

17:59:44 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←

17:59:45 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms ←

17:59:48 <alanr> ack conrad

Alan Ruttenberg: ack conrad ←

17:59:58 <ew> Bijan has already been blocking

Evan Wallace: Bijan has already been blocking ←

18:00:14 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←

18:00:18 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

18:00:18 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

18:00:20 <Zakim> +IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH ←

18:00:31 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

18:00:31 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←

18:00:34 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←

18:00:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ←

18:00:37 <Zakim> ... ??P16, MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ??P16, MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH ←

18:00:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan, ←

18:00:41 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot-ng ←

18:00:52 <bijan> I agree

Bijan Parsia: I agree ←

18:01:00 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:01:04 <alanr> ack ew

Alan Ruttenberg: ack ew ←

18:02:13 <ivan> zakim, ??P16 is Fabian

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P16 is Fabian ←

18:02:13 <Zakim> +Fabian; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Fabian; got it ←

18:02:34 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←

18:02:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ←

18:02:37 <Zakim> ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH ←

18:02:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, ←

18:02:42 <Zakim> ... bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bijan, trackbot-ng ←

18:02:44 <bijan> Evan, I'm not saying I would block this work...or indeed any work. But a standards group involves negotiation. I've not heard a lot of negotitation.

Bijan Parsia: Evan, I'm not saying I would block this work...or indeed any work. But a standards group involves negotiation. I've not heard a lot of negotitation. ←

18:02:52 <Rinke> bernardo?

Rinke Hoekstra: bernardo? ←

18:02:59 <bernardo> zakim ??p21 is bernardo

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim ??p21 is bernardo ←

18:03:18 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←

18:03:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ←

18:03:21 <Zakim> ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH ←

18:03:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, ←

18:03:25 <Zakim> ... bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bijan, trackbot-ng ←

18:03:26 <Ratnesh> P19 = Ratnesh

Ratnesh Sahay: P19 = Ratnesh ←

18:03:48 <Zakim> -Conrad

Zakim IRC Bot: -Conrad ←

18:03:51 <IanH> unmute me

Ian Horrocks: unmute me ←

18:03:51 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←

18:03:51 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←

18:03:57 <Zakim> +Zhe_Wu

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe_Wu ←

18:04:00 <achille> ScribeNick: achille

18:04:13 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

18:04:13 <Zakim> bijan was already muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was already muted, bijan ←

18:05:10 <IanH> My phone just went dead!

Ian Horrocks: My phone just went dead! ←

18:05:15 <alanr> i don't hear anyone

Alan Ruttenberg: i don't hear anyone ←

18:05:21 <IanH> Me neither

Ian Horrocks: Me neither ←

18:05:45 <IanH> unmute me

Ian Horrocks: unmute me ←

18:06:00 <uli> I could hear a child just now

Uli Sattler: I could hear a child just now ←

18:06:11 <IanH> unmute me

Ian Horrocks: unmute me ←

18:06:18 <IanH> I am!

Ian Horrocks: I am! ←

18:06:19 <jjc> Zakim, unmute IanH

Unknown jjc: Zakim, unmute IanH ←

18:06:19 <Zakim> IanH should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: IanH should no longer be muted ←

18:07:20 <achille> PROPOSED: Accept the previous minutes

PROPOSED: Accept the previous minutes ←

18:07:22 <Zakim> +Doug

Zakim IRC Bot: +Doug ←

18:07:52 <pfps> +1 to accept minutes

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to accept minutes ←

18:07:56 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

18:07:57 <achille> +1

+1 ←

18:08:02 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←

18:08:03 <Ratnesh> +1

Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←

18:08:11 <achille> RESOLVED: minutes accepted

RESOLVED: minutes accepted ←

18:08:51 <DougL> Zakim, who is on the phone

Doug Lenat: Zakim, who is on the phone ←

18:08:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', DougL

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', DougL ←

18:08:57 <pfps> NONONONON

Peter Patel-Schneider: NONONONON ←

18:09:01 <Rinke> except for the images

Rinke Hoekstra: except for the images ←

18:09:03 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

18:09:03 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←

18:09:09 <achille> ACTION Send email reminding people to make wiki account

ACTION Send email reminding people to make wiki account ←

18:09:24 <achille> POSTPONE

POSTPONE ←

18:09:30 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

18:09:30 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←

18:09:55 <achille> ACTION Sandro: migration of documents

ACTION Sandro: migration of documents ←

18:09:56 <pfps> sandro sent out a message concerning where to put the images

Peter Patel-Schneider: sandro sent out a message concerning where to put the images ←

18:10:02 <achille> Postponed

Postponed ←

18:10:12 <pfps> there are *two* documents

Peter Patel-Schneider: there are *two* documents ←

18:10:13 <jjc> alan said avout reminder email that the naming conventions were unclear, and Sandro is clarifying

Unknown jjc: alan said avout reminder email that the naming conventions were unclear, and Sandro is clarifying ←

18:10:26 <achille> ACTION 6:  Done

ACTION-6: Done ←

18:10:39 <pfps> should the link to the duplicate page be removed?

Peter Patel-Schneider: should the link to the duplicate page be removed? ←

18:10:45 <ivan> Topic: Issues

1. Issues

18:11:30 <Rinke> +1 to removing the (link to the) duplicate page

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to removing the (link to the) duplicate page ←

18:11:42 <achille> Topic : Issue 2

Topic : ISSUE-2 ←

18:11:54 <pfps> both http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Issues and http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/HowIssuesAreProcessed tell how issues are processed

Peter Patel-Schneider: both http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Issues and http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/HowIssuesAreProcessed tell how issues are processed ←

18:11:58 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

18:11:58 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

18:12:04 <DougL> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Doug Lenat: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←

18:12:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alan, jjc (muted), bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Alan, jjc (muted), bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien ←

18:12:04 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

18:12:07 <Zakim> ... (muted), Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH, Zhe_Wu, Doug

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH, Zhe_Wu, Doug ←

18:12:09 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←

18:12:26 <Rinke> perhaps turn HowIssuesAreProcessed into a redirect to Issues

Rinke Hoekstra: perhaps turn HowIssuesAreProcessed into a redirect to Issues ←

18:12:41 <ew> +1 to Bijan's viewpoint on this

Evan Wallace: +1 to Bijan's viewpoint on this ←

18:12:50 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ ←

18:12:52 <achille> ian: does new properties affect backward compatibility

Ian Horrocks: do new properties affect backward compatibility ←

18:13:08 <Ratnesh> P19 = Ratnesh

Ratnesh Sahay: P19 = Ratnesh ←

18:13:09 <achille> s/does/ do

18:13:21 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

18:13:21 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

18:13:35 <ew> Cardinality Q was also turned down

Evan Wallace: Cardinality Q was also turned down ←

18:13:46 <bijan> ooo, excellent point ew

Bijan Parsia: ooo, excellent point ew ←

18:14:02 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←

18:14:08 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←

18:14:11 <jjc2> Zakim, ?P19 is Ratnesh

Unknown jjc2: Zakim, ?P19 is Ratnesh ←

18:14:11 <Zakim> sorry, jjc2, I do not recognize a party named '?P19'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jjc2, I do not recognize a party named '?P19' ←

18:14:20 <jjc2> Zakim, ??P19 is Ratnesh

Unknown jjc2: Zakim, ??P19 is Ratnesh ←

18:14:20 <Zakim> +Ratnesh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ratnesh; got it ←

18:14:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:14:33 <bijan> Does peter actually object? Can't we just disagree with the old group?

Bijan Parsia: Does peter actually object? Can't we just disagree with the old group? ←

18:15:11 <Carsten> I disagree. There are usually *many* disjoint classes. Only ontology designers overlook that and

Unknown Carsten: I disagree. There are usually *many* disjoint classes. Only ontology designers overlook that and ←

18:15:13 <Carsten> usually fail to state it.

Unknown Carsten: usually fail to state it. ←

18:15:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:15:20 <IanH> ack

Ian Horrocks: ack ←

18:15:28 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:15:32 <bijan> I see peter's point...this is a owl full thing

Bijan Parsia: I see peter's point...this is a owl full thing ←

18:15:52 <pfps> many large disjointness sets (a disjointness set with thousands of elements)

Peter Patel-Schneider: many large disjointness sets (a disjointness set with thousands of elements) ←

18:15:58 <Zakim> +[IVML]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IVML] ←

18:16:04 <pfps> there can be lots of small disjointness sets

Peter Patel-Schneider: there can be lots of small disjointness sets ←

18:16:04 <IanH> How do I ack someone else?

Ian Horrocks: How do I ack someone else? ←

18:16:10 <achille> alanr : the assumption that there will not be a lot of disjoint is not correct

alanr : the assumption that there will not be a lot of disjoint is not correct ←

18:16:19 <ivan> ack alanr

Ivan Herman: ack alanr ←

18:16:21 <bijan> +1 to alan

Bijan Parsia: +1 to alan ←

18:16:24 <Carsten> peter: if you have thousands of classes, why not?

Peter Patel-Schneider: if you have thousands of classes, why not? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Carsten ] ←

18:16:30 <pfps> if your disjointness sets are small then you don't get many extra triples

Peter Patel-Schneider: if your disjointness sets are small then you don't get many extra triples ←

18:16:31 <bijan> we get this request all the time

Bijan Parsia: we get this request all the time ←

18:16:37 <bijan> NO NO NO NO

Bijan Parsia: NO NO NO NO ←

18:16:41 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

18:16:41 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

18:16:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:17:07 <ew> q+

Evan Wallace: q+ ←

18:17:12 <bmotik> It is not just the disjointness. In the functional spec, you can have equivalences between n classes, but in RDF you can have only pair-wise equivalences. This is inherited from OWL 1.0 RDF mapping.

Boris Motik: It is not just the disjointness. In the functional spec, you can have equivalences between n classes, but in RDF you can have only pair-wise equivalences. This is inherited from OWL 1.0 RDF mapping. ←

18:17:29 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

18:17:29 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

18:17:30 <GiorgosStoilos> zakim, [IVML] is me

Giorgos Stoilos: zakim, [IVML] is me ←

18:17:31 <Zakim> +GiorgosStoilos; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GiorgosStoilos; got it ←

18:18:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:18:17 <pfps> but it is easy and direct to put a large equivalence set into RDF with no size increase

Peter Patel-Schneider: but it is easy and direct to put a large equivalence set into RDF with no size increase ←

18:18:22 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:18:27 <IanH> ack ew

Ian Horrocks: ack ew ←

18:18:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

18:18:55 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

18:19:05 <bmotik> The same thing also holds for properties (disjointness and equivalences). It is probably a good idea to come up with the same solution for all of these constructs, not just for disjointness.

Boris Motik: The same thing also holds for properties (disjointness and equivalences). It is probably a good idea to come up with the same solution for all of these constructs, not just for disjointness. ←

18:19:16 <bijan> +1 to bmotik

Bijan Parsia: +1 to bmotik ←

18:19:23 <jjc2> disagree with bmotik

Unknown jjc2: disagree with bmotik ←

18:19:33 <bmotik> And there are also sameAs and differentFrom on individuals.

Boris Motik: And there are also sameAs and differentFrom on individuals. ←

18:19:33 <DougL> +p

Doug Lenat: +p ←

18:19:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:19:46 <DougL> +q

Doug Lenat: +q ←

18:19:55 <pfps> Alan's case seems to be quite compelling

Peter Patel-Schneider: Alan's case seems to be quite compelling ←

18:20:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:20:33 <achille> ianh:  AllDisjoint does not necessary have a negative impact on implementations

Ian Horrocks: AllDisjoint does not necessary have a negative impact on implementations ←

18:20:40 <IanH> ?q

Ian Horrocks: ?q ←

18:20:44 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

18:20:44 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

18:21:17 <achille> who is speaking?

who is speaking? ←

18:21:35 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

18:21:35 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←

18:21:42 <DougL> that was me, achille

Doug Lenat: that was me, achille ←

18:21:50 <bmotik> OK, I'll just add this to the issue.

Boris Motik: OK, I'll just add this to the issue. ←

18:21:53 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:21:59 <pfps> i never had an objection, just a caution

Peter Patel-Schneider: i never had an objection, just a caution ←

18:21:59 <IanH> ?q

Ian Horrocks: ?q ←

18:22:00 <alanr> ack DougL

Alan Ruttenberg: ack DougL ←

18:22:09 <jjc> q+ on back chat

Unknown jjc: q+ on back chat ←

18:22:09 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

18:22:11 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

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18:22:20 <jjc> q+ to mention back chat

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18:22:30 <alanr> q?

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18:22:41 <jjc2> ack jjc

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18:22:52 <alanr> +1

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18:22:59 <pfps> ok by me

Peter Patel-Schneider: ok by me ←

18:23:02 <ew> +1

Evan Wallace: +1 ←

18:23:05 <DougL> sounds good to me

Doug Lenat: sounds good to me ←

18:23:05 <achille> ianh: should we make the change in the docs for AllDisjoint

Ian Horrocks: should we make the change in the docs for AllDisjoint ←

18:23:06 <jjc2> +1

Unknown jjc2: +1 ←

18:23:08 <ivan> not against

Ivan Herman: not against ←

18:23:08 <achille> +1

+1 ←

18:23:11 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←

18:23:14 <zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1 ←

18:23:14 <Carsten> +1

Unknown Carsten: +1 ←

18:23:15 <FabianNeuhaus> +1

Fabian Neuhaus: +1 ←

18:23:15 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1 ←

18:23:23 <MikeSmith_> +1 for AllDisjoint

Michael Smith: +1 for AllDisjoint ←

18:23:30 <bijan> +1 for AllDisjoint

Bijan Parsia: +1 for AllDisjoint ←

18:23:46 <achille> RESOLVED: Issue 2 AllDisjoint will be added in the docs

RESOLVED: ISSUE-2 AllDisjoint will be added in the docs ←

18:24:10 <bijan> ?

Bijan Parsia: ? ←

18:24:13 <pfps> do it the same way that allDifferent is handled in OWL 1.0

Peter Patel-Schneider: do it the same way that allDifferent is handled in OWL 1.0 ←

18:24:16 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:24:41 <alanr> presume that the rdf mapping will be O(n)

Alan Ruttenberg: presume that the rdf mapping will be O(n) ←

18:24:44 <pfps> it is in the FS already, right?

Peter Patel-Schneider: it is in the FS already, right? ←

18:24:59 <bijan> pfps, no! it seems!

Bijan Parsia: pfps, no! it seems! ←

18:25:00 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:25:10 <bijan> ah it is

Bijan Parsia: ah it is ←

18:25:14 <bijan> disjointClasses

Bijan Parsia: disjointClasses ←

18:25:34 <bijan> Here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Class_or_Description_Axioms

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18:25:35 <pfps> how about: treat DisjointClasses like DifferentIndividuals?

Peter Patel-Schneider: how about: treat DisjointClasses like DifferentIndividuals? ←

18:25:36 <achille> RESOLVED: AllDisjoint will be added to the functional syntax and the RDF mapping

RESOLVED: AllDisjoint will be added to the functional syntax and the RDF mapping ←

18:25:48 <bijan> """The disjointClasses axiom takes a set of descriptions and states that all descriptions from the set are pair-wise disjoint."""

Bijan Parsia: """The disjointClasses axiom takes a set of descriptions and states that all descriptions from the set are pair-wise disjoint.""" ←

18:25:50 <bijan> It is in

Bijan Parsia: It is in ←

18:26:13 <alanr> RESOLVED: Issue 2 A O(n) rdf mapping of disjointClasses will be added

RESOLVED: ISSUE-2 A O(n) rdf mapping of disjointClasses will be added ←

18:26:36 <pfps> votes?

Peter Patel-Schneider: votes? ←

18:27:02 <pfps> we changed the resolution, so it is probably best to confirm the change

Peter Patel-Schneider: we changed the resolution, so it is probably best to confirm the change ←

18:27:08 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←

18:27:16 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 ←

18:27:16 <bijan> +1 for current resolution

Bijan Parsia: +1 for current resolution ←

18:27:17 <achille> +1

+1 ←

18:27:22 <DougL> +1

Doug Lenat: +1 ←

18:27:23 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←

18:27:23 <MikeSmith_> +1 for current resolution

Michael Smith: +1 for current resolution ←

18:27:24 <Ratnesh> +1

Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←

18:27:25 <MartinD> +1

Martin Dzbor: +1 ←

18:27:25 <ivan> zakim, draft minutes

Ivan Herman: zakim, draft minutes ←

18:27:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', ivan

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18:27:25 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1 ←

18:27:25 <jjc> +1

Unknown jjc: +1 ←

18:27:26 <bernardo> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1 ←

18:27:37 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

18:27:55 <bijan> it taeks an arbitrary number

Bijan Parsia: it taeks an arbitrary number ←

18:28:00 <bijan> disjointClasses:= 'DisjointClasses' '(' { annotation } description description { description } ')'

Bijan Parsia: disjointClasses:= 'DisjointClasses' '(' { annotation } description description { description } ')' ←

18:28:07 <bijan> Brackets!

Bijan Parsia: Brackets! ←

18:28:19 <achille> Topic: Issue 3 (anonymous individuals)

2. ISSUE-3 (anonymous individuals)

18:28:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:29:06 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+ ←

18:29:12 <alanr> Individual(type(owl:Thing)) legal in 1.0

Alan Ruttenberg: Individual(type(owl:Thing)) legal in 1.0 ←

18:29:40 <uli> but this doesn't help us to refer to it?

Uli Sattler: but this doesn't help us to refer to it? ←

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18:29:49 <Carsten> q+

Unknown Carsten: q+ ←

18:29:51 <alanr> "overzealous"

Alan Ruttenberg: "overzealous" ←

18:29:58 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

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18:30:05 <jjc2> Jeremy: was the lack of this a bug? or deliberate?

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18:30:07 <achille> jeremy: no anonymous individual in owl 1.1. Is it a bug?

Unknown jeremy: no anonymous individual in owl 1.1. Is it a bug? ←

18:30:25 <IanH> Q?

Ian Horrocks: Q? ←

18:30:28 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me.

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18:30:29 <achille> pfps: is a bug

Peter Patel-Schneider: is a bug ←

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18:30:34 <bmotik> +q bmotik

Boris Motik: +q bmotik ←

18:30:37 <IanH> Q?

Ian Horrocks: Q? ←

18:30:45 <ivan> ack bijan

Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←

18:30:53 <alanr> tree-like

Alan Ruttenberg: tree-like ←

18:31:06 <IanH> Q?

Ian Horrocks: Q? ←

18:31:14 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:31:43 <alanr> also see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/23

Alan Ruttenberg: also see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/23 ←

18:32:00 <pfps> I would like to see a proposal

Peter Patel-Schneider: I would like to see a proposal ←

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18:32:03 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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18:32:03 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

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18:32:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:32:12 <IanH> ack carsten

Ian Horrocks: ack carsten ←

18:32:19 <pfps> zakim, mute me

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18:32:19 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

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18:32:34 <bijan> Ooo, interesting!

Bijan Parsia: Ooo, interesting! ←

18:33:10 <bernardo> we don't have the universal role in Owl 1.1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: we don't have the universal role in Owl 1.1 ←

18:33:14 <achille> Carsten:  related to having a universal property.  should  we consider adding universal property?

Unknown Carsten: related to having a universal property. should we consider adding universal property? ←

18:33:26 <bernardo> but, it was included in SROIQ

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: but, it was included in SROIQ ←

18:33:48 <uli> which is why we mention this here

Uli Sattler: which is why we mention this here ←

18:33:54 <achille> Carsten: it will allow  anonymous individuals

Unknown Carsten: it will allow anonymous individuals ←

18:34:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:34:46 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

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18:35:12 <jjc2> [I would like non-tree like stuff, as well as tree stuff, and this issue is only the first step but ...]

Unknown jjc2: [I would like non-tree like stuff, as well as tree stuff, and this issue is only the first step but ...] ←

18:35:36 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

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18:35:46 <achille> Carsten: Universal property is more general. It will make anonymous individuals a special case

Unknown Carsten: Universal property is more general. It will make anonymous individuals a special case ←

18:35:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:35:58 <Carsten> correct

Unknown Carsten: correct ←

18:35:59 <uli> yes

Uli Sattler: yes ←

18:36:38 <alanr> in above we are talking about "tree-like" networks of anonymous individuals

Alan Ruttenberg: in above we are talking about "tree-like" networks of anonymous individuals ←

18:36:43 <jjc> q+ to propose resolution Issue 3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix

Unknown jjc: q+ to propose resolution ISSUE-3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix ←

18:36:58 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←

18:37:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:37:29 <achille> bmotik: arbitrary anonymous individuals could yield to undecideability

Boris Motik: arbitrary anonymous individuals could yield to undecideability ←

18:37:30 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

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18:37:45 <bijan> How about close this with tree ones and opening a new issue

Bijan Parsia: How about close this with tree ones and opening a new issue ←

18:37:46 <uli> but there aren't any anon. inds. in the owl1.1? Can you clarify, Boris?

Uli Sattler: but there aren't any anon. inds. in the owl1.1? Can you clarify, Boris? ←

18:38:00 <bmotik> To be more precise: nontree like anonymous individuals (in an ABox) easily make ontology entailment undecidable

Boris Motik: To be more precise: nontree like anonymous individuals (in an ABox) easily make ontology entailment undecidable ←

18:38:02 <alanr> Ian and I had a discussion about this a while ago concerning when we could distinguish skolems from bnodes

Alan Ruttenberg: Ian and I had a discussion about this a while ago concerning when we could distinguish skolems from bnodes ←

18:38:05 <ivan> ack jjc

Ivan Herman: ack jjc ←

18:38:05 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to propose resolution Issue 3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to propose resolution ISSUE-3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix ←

18:38:07 <alanr> I will look it up

Alan Ruttenberg: I will look it up ←

18:38:11 <jjc> jeremy bows to the chair

Unknown jjc: jeremy bows to the chair ←

18:38:19 <alanr> negated property values 1 issue

Alan Ruttenberg: negated property values 1 issue ←

18:38:25 <bijan> Action to boris to start the discussion?

Bijan Parsia: Action to boris to start the discussion? ←

18:38:31 <bijan> Or someone?

Bijan Parsia: Or someone? ←

18:38:36 <achille> ianh: we will not be able to resolve it now

Ian Horrocks: we will not be able to resolve it now ←

18:38:47 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

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18:38:47 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

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18:38:49 <achille> ianh: we should continue on emails

Ian Horrocks: we should continue on emails ←

18:38:51 <pfps> make sure the emails include ISSUE-3 or ISSUE-23

Peter Patel-Schneider: make sure the emails include ISSUE-3 or ISSUE-23 ←

18:39:07 <jjc2> +1 to bijan

Unknown jjc2: +1 to bijan ←

18:39:14 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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18:39:15 <Carsten> I am not on the mailinglist

Unknown Carsten: I am not on the mailinglist ←

18:39:31 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

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18:39:35 <Carsten> But working on it :)

Unknown Carsten: But working on it :) ←

18:39:41 <jjc2> (neither am I, but can partifcipate nevertheless

Unknown jjc2: (neither am I, but can partifcipate nevertheless ←

18:39:50 <bijan> zkaim, mute me

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18:40:05 <bijan> YEs!

Bijan Parsia: YEs! ←

18:40:09 <bmotik> Sire

Boris Motik: Sire ←

18:40:10 <bijan> +1 to boris starting it

Bijan Parsia: +1 to boris starting it ←

18:40:11 <bmotik> Sure

Boris Motik: Sure ←

18:40:26 <achille> ACTION Boris: send an email on issue 3

ACTION Boris: send an email on ISSUE-3 ←

18:40:56 <Rinke> zakim, unmute me

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18:40:57 <achille> Topic : Issue 11 and 28 (datatype facets)

Topic : ISSUE-11 and 28 (datatype facets) ←

18:41:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:41:49 <bijan> Is this only for hte XML sytnax?

Bijan Parsia: Is this only for hte XML sytnax? ←

18:42:09 <bijan> If so, shouldn'tw e defer until we've decided about the XML sytnax?

Bijan Parsia: If so, shouldn'tw e defer until we've decided about the XML sytnax? ←

18:42:12 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

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18:42:12 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

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18:42:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:42:53 <ew> Its part of the structural spec

Evan Wallace: Its part of the structural spec ←

18:43:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:43:09 <bijan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2007JanMar/0127.html

Bijan Parsia: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2007JanMar/0127.html ←

18:43:22 <Rinke> zakim, mute me

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18:43:22 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted

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18:43:54 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

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18:43:54 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

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18:43:54 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

18:43:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:43:57 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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18:43:59 <bmotik> The reason why we have no several facts is rather arbitrary: we just didn't think of it. I believe we can easily extend the language to be more practicable.

Boris Motik: The reason why we have no several facts is rather arbitrary: we just didn't think of it. I believe we can easily extend the language to be more practicable. ←

18:44:04 <bijan> I don't undersatnd this issue ;)

Bijan Parsia: I don't undersatnd this issue ;) ←

18:44:31 <jjc2> Why can't we use user names in this syntax ?

Unknown jjc2: Why can't we use user names in this syntax ? ←

18:44:35 <achille> pfps:  I thought the issue was about the XML serialization

Peter Patel-Schneider: I thought the issue was about the XML serialization ←

18:44:45 <bijan> We could ask evren to come on

Bijan Parsia: We could ask evren to come on ←

18:44:48 <bijan> next week

Bijan Parsia: next week ←

18:44:49 <achille> ianh: let's move on since we do not understand it

Ian Horrocks: let's move on since we do not understand it ←

18:45:06 <bmotik> The XML schema is now different from what is reporeted in the issue. It was likely a bug that I just fixed later.

Boris Motik: The XML schema is now different from what is reporeted in the issue. It was likely a bug that I just fixed later. ←

18:45:17 <bmotik> I was talking about issue 11

Boris Motik: I was talking about ISSUE-11 ←

18:45:21 <bijan> They both go back to evren's email

Bijan Parsia: They both go back to evren's email ←

18:45:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:45:27 <bijan> Both 28 and 11

Bijan Parsia: Both 28 and 11 ←

18:45:30 <Zakim> -Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan ←

18:45:48 <achille> ianh: Let's nominate someone to start an email discussion

Ian Horrocks: Let's nominate someone to start an email discussion ←

18:45:53 <bmotik> +q

Boris Motik: +q ←

18:46:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:46:02 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

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18:46:03 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←

18:46:30 <achille> bmotik: it is about having multiple facets.

Boris Motik: it is about having multiple facets. ←

18:46:38 <bijan> That sounds promising!

Bijan Parsia: That sounds promising! ←

18:46:56 <pfps> suggest sending a message to Evrin to ask him if he thinks 11 is resolved

Peter Patel-Schneider: suggest sending a message to Evrin to ask him if he thinks 11 is resolved ←

18:47:03 <jjc> move to email

Unknown jjc: move to email ←

18:47:04 <achille> bmotik: we should add them it was a bug in the XML Schema

Boris Motik: we should add them it was a bug in the XML Schema ←

18:47:11 <Zakim> +Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan ←

18:47:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:47:29 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

18:47:35 <achille> bmotik: no problem either for issue 28

Boris Motik: no problem either for ISSUE-28 ←

18:47:42 <bijan> close 11 and resolut 28 with action to liberalize the syntax

Bijan Parsia: close 11 and resolut 28 with action to liberalize the syntax ←

18:48:43 <achille> ACTION Boris: send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28

ACTION Boris: send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28 ←

18:49:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:49:42 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←

18:49:53 <achille> Topic: Issue 13 and 14 (quotation and CURIES)

3. ISSUE-13 and 14 (quotation and CURIES)

18:50:31 <ivan> see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/28 notes

Ivan Herman: see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/28 notes ←

18:50:35 <bijan> This relates to whether we can use the XML Schema syntax

Bijan Parsia: This relates to whether we can use the XML Schema syntax ←

18:50:37 <ivan> zakim, mute me

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18:50:42 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+ ←

18:51:00 <bmotik> I can stay

Boris Motik: I can stay ←

18:51:08 <jjc> (I would like to go on the hour)

Unknown jjc: (I would like to go on the hour) ←

18:51:09 <bijan> q-

Bijan Parsia: q- ←

18:51:26 <achille> ianh: let's talk about the second f2f

Ian Horrocks: let's talk about the second f2f ←

18:51:32 <bijan> q+ to talk about first f2f

Bijan Parsia: q+ to talk about first f2f ←

18:51:33 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:51:34 <pfps> browser bombed

Peter Patel-Schneider: browser bombed ←

18:51:40 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

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18:51:40 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps

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18:51:47 <achille> Topic: second f2f

4. second f2f

18:51:47 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:52:16 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:52:21 <jjc2> peter: thje second f2f seems a long way away but it's not - Jeremy wonders whether it's on the moon.

Peter Patel-Schneider: thje second f2f seems a long way away but it's not - Jeremy wonders whether it's on the moon. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

18:52:33 <achille> pfps: collocate the 2nd f2f with OWLED

Peter Patel-Schneider: collocate the 2nd f2f with OWLED ←

18:52:55 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1 ←

18:52:59 <Carsten> is OWLED collocated with any conference?

Unknown Carsten: is OWLED collocated with any conference? ←

18:53:07 <bijan> Carsten, no

Bijan Parsia: Carsten, no ←

18:53:09 <jjc2> dates of OWLED again?

Unknown jjc2: dates of OWLED again? ←

18:53:31 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:53:41 <jjc2> dates: 1-4 April 2 days

Scribe problem: the name 'dates' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown dates: 1-4 April 2 days [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc2 ] ←

18:53:43 <achille> pfps: Proposed date 1,2,3 of April 2008

Peter Patel-Schneider: Proposed date 1,2,3 of April 2008 ←

18:53:49 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

18:53:49 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

18:53:50 <pfps> this is "interim" OWLED which will not be colocated

Peter Patel-Schneider: this is "interim" OWLED which will not be colocated ←

18:54:09 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←

18:54:09 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←

18:54:29 <achille> ianh: online poll should be done

Ian Horrocks: online poll should be done ←

18:54:29 <achille> ianh: online poll should be done

Ian Horrocks: online poll should be done ←

18:54:45 <achille> pfps: any objections for the date?

Peter Patel-Schneider: any objections for the date? ←

18:54:51 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

18:54:54 <jjc> q+ to www2008

Unknown jjc: q+ to www2008 ←

18:55:13 <bijan> Who would host?

Bijan Parsia: Who would host? ←

18:55:17 <ivan> for info: april 21-25 are the dates for WWW2008

Ivan Herman: for info: april 21-25 are the dates for WWW2008 ←

18:55:39 <uli> possibly

Uli Sattler: possibly ←

18:55:40 <ivan> i will be in china

Ivan Herman: i will be in china ←

18:55:41 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←

18:55:42 <bernardo> possibly

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: possibly ←

18:55:42 <MarkusK> possibly

Markus Krötzsch: possibly ←

18:55:43 <Carsten> -1

Unknown Carsten: -1 ←

18:55:45 <jjc> possibly

Unknown jjc: possibly ←

18:55:46 <pfps> maybe me, but not too likely

Peter Patel-Schneider: maybe me, but not too likely ←

18:55:48 <bijan> possibly

Bijan Parsia: possibly ←

18:55:49 <FabianNeuhaus> -1

Fabian Neuhaus: -1 ←

18:55:49 <achille> -1

-1 ←

18:55:49 <GiorgosStoilos> possible

Giorgos Stoilos: possible ←

18:55:52 <Elisa> -1

Elisa Kendall: -1 ←

18:55:52 <ew> -1

Evan Wallace: -1 ←

18:56:00 <Ratnesh> maybe

Ratnesh Sahay: maybe ←

18:56:02 <Rinke> -1

Rinke Hoekstra: -1 ←

18:56:03 <MikeSmith_> -1 to www2008

Michael Smith: -1 to www2008 ←

18:56:04 <zhe> -1

Zhe Wu: -1 ←

18:56:13 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←

18:56:31 <bijan> So, w3c would host?

Bijan Parsia: So, w3c would host? ←

18:56:39 <jjc> ivan: w3c china could help host

Ivan Herman: w3c china could help host [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

18:56:53 <bmotik> Where is the XML Schema stored in the working drafts? I see the XML Ser. document, but it has no pointer to the actual schema.

Boris Motik: Where is the XML Schema stored in the working drafts? I see the XML Ser. document, but it has no pointer to the actual schema. ←

18:57:20 <achille> ivan: would be happy to help with hosting it in China

Ivan Herman: would be happy to help with hosting it in China ←

18:58:07 <achille> ivan: if the group decides to do it in China, we can do it

Ivan Herman: if the group decides to do it in China, we can do it ←

18:58:30 <achille> pfps: we also need time to do publicity

Peter Patel-Schneider: we also need time to do publicity ←

18:59:38 <achille> ACTION pfps: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED

ACTION pfps: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED ←

18:59:38 <bijan> bmotik, I don't think they are there...I suppose you could  upload it ot the wiki and attach it to the page

Bijan Parsia: bmotik, I don't think they are there...I suppose you could upload it ot the wiki and attach it to the page ←

19:00:02 <achille> sorry I send the action to pfps

sorry I send the action to pfps ←

19:00:06 <bmotik> bijan, how do I do that? I don't know much about Wikis...

Boris Motik: bijan, how do I do that? I don't know much about Wikis... ←

19:00:22 <achille> ivan, how do I change it to Ianh?

ivan, how do I change it to Ianh? ←

19:00:33 <ivan> good question:-)

Ivan Herman: good question:-) ←

19:00:49 <bijan> hmm. Not obvious to me, boris

Bijan Parsia: hmm. Not obvious to me, boris ←

19:00:51 <achille> ACTION ianh: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED

ACTION ianh: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED ←

19:01:03 <achille> sorry pfps

sorry pfps ←

19:01:12 <Rinke> the wiki needs to accept uploads of that type: it usually only accepts jpg's etc

Rinke Hoekstra: the wiki needs to accept uploads of that type: it usually only accepts jpg's etc ←

19:01:16 <bijan> Oh! look in teh sidebar

Bijan Parsia: Oh! look in teh sidebar ←

19:01:20 <bijan> There's an "upload file"

Bijan Parsia: There's an "upload file" ←

19:01:24 <achille> thanks pfps

thanks pfps ←

19:01:29 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:01:31 <Zakim> -jjc

Zakim IRC Bot: -jjc ←

19:02:08 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f meeting page

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f meeting page ←

19:02:13 <pfps> have Ian send out an email about this

Peter Patel-Schneider: have Ian send out an email about this ←

19:02:37 <achille> bijan: please add your name in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f  if you are coming to the first f2f

Bijan Parsia: please add your name in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f if you are coming to the first f2f ←

19:02:55 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

19:02:55 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

19:03:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:03:09 <ivan> ack bijan

Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←

19:03:09 <achille> Topic: additional other business?

5. additional other business?

19:03:10 <bijan> q-

Bijan Parsia: q- ←

19:03:11 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to talk about first f2f

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to talk about first f2f ←

19:03:13 <bijan> yes

Bijan Parsia: yes ←

19:03:17 <bijan> \I'm done

Bijan Parsia: \I'm done ←

19:03:26 <ivan> ack jjc

Ivan Herman: ack jjc ←

19:03:26 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to www2008

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to www2008 ←

19:03:54 <pfps> yes

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes ←

19:03:59 <bijan> close as manya s possible

Bijan Parsia: close as manya s possible ←

19:04:06 <pfps> let's knock off the editorial ones

Peter Patel-Schneider: let's knock off the editorial ones ←

19:04:07 <ivan> for cca. 10-15 minutes

Ivan Herman: for cca. 10-15 minutes ←

19:04:34 <achille> Topic: Issue 13 and 14

6. ISSUE-13 and 14

19:04:41 <bmotik> I tried uploading the XML schema, but the system said that .xsd is not a supported extension

Boris Motik: I tried uploading the XML schema, but the system said that .xsd is not a supported extension ←

19:04:47 <Zakim> -Fabien

Zakim IRC Bot: -Fabien ←

19:04:59 <bijan> Ok, send an email to sandro

Bijan Parsia: Ok, send an email to sandro ←

19:05:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:05:22 <pfps> jeremy is probably the closest thing we have to an expert here

Peter Patel-Schneider: jeremy is probably the closest thing we have to an expert here ←

19:05:38 <bijan> I propose to reuse the Turtle string quoting conventions

Bijan Parsia: I propose to reuse the Turtle string quoting conventions ←

19:05:44 <pfps> which are?

Peter Patel-Schneider: which are? ←

19:05:44 <bijan> Common, comprehensive, easy to lift

Bijan Parsia: Common, comprehensive, easy to lift ←

19:06:09 <MarkusK> http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/#sec-strings

Markus Krötzsch: http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/#sec-strings ←

19:06:54 <bijan> I feel pretty sure that the Turtle spec covers everything RDF can handle

Bijan Parsia: I feel pretty sure that the Turtle spec covers everything RDF can handle ←

19:07:00 <pfps> these are roughly the same as RDF quoting

Peter Patel-Schneider: these are roughly the same as RDF quoting ←

19:07:01 <bijan> Wait! are we resolving on taht?

Bijan Parsia: Wait! are we resolving on taht? ←

19:07:07 <pfps> Yes, wait.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Yes, wait. ←

19:07:09 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

19:07:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:07:32 <bijan> Yes, alanr, curies can represent properites that rdf/xml cannot

Bijan Parsia: Yes, alanr, curies can represent properites that rdf/xml cannot ←

19:07:37 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←

19:07:47 <alanr> so can abstract syntax

Alan Ruttenberg: so can abstract syntax ←

19:08:02 <bijan> So can turtle

Bijan Parsia: So can turtle ←

19:08:37 <pfps> pointer to rdfa?

Peter Patel-Schneider: pointer to rdfa? ←

19:08:45 <Zakim> -IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←

19:08:50 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+ ←

19:08:58 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/

Rinke Hoekstra: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/ ←

19:09:10 <bijan> ack bijan

Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←

19:09:11 <IanH> Sorry, but I have to run off

Ian Horrocks: Sorry, but I have to run off ←

19:09:20 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

19:09:20 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←

19:10:12 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

19:10:19 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

19:10:58 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/

Rinke Hoekstra: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/ ←

19:11:43 <bijan> We'd need that for more arbitrary patterns of bnodes

Bijan Parsia: We'd need that for more arbitrary patterns of bnodes ←

19:11:51 <bijan> But that's delegated to email discussion

Bijan Parsia: But that's delegated to email discussion ←

19:13:04 <alanr> PROPOSED: Resolved issue 13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames.

PROPOSED: Resolved ISSUE-13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames. ←

19:13:09 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←

19:13:10 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←

19:13:11 <bijan> +1

Bijan Parsia: +1 ←

19:13:12 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

19:13:15 <Elisa> +1

Elisa Kendall: +1 ←

19:13:16 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←

19:13:16 <MikeSmith_> +1 resolution for issue 13

Michael Smith: +1 resolution for ISSUE-13 ←

19:13:17 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1 ←

19:13:26 <MikeSmith_> +1 to resolution for issue 14

Michael Smith: +1 to resolution for ISSUE-14 ←

19:13:29 <GiorgosStoilos> +1

Giorgos Stoilos: +1 ←

19:13:31 <pfps> +1 on the straw poll, but I would like to take a look to finalize

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 on the straw poll, but I would like to take a look to finalize ←

19:13:37 <Ratnesh> +1

Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←

19:13:53 <MartinD> +1

Martin Dzbor: +1 ←

19:13:59 <pfps> I guess that we can invoke the one week rule if necessary

Peter Patel-Schneider: I guess that we can invoke the one week rule if necessary ←

19:14:03 <alanr> RESOLVED: Resolved issue 13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames. (with checkin one written into the spec)

RESOLVED: Resolved ISSUE-13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames. (with checkin one written into the spec) ←

19:14:48 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←

19:14:49 <bmotik> bye

Boris Motik: bye ←

19:14:50 <Zakim> -Doug

Zakim IRC Bot: -Doug ←

19:14:51 <Rinke> bye

Rinke Hoekstra: bye ←

19:14:51 <Zakim> -MikeSmith_

Zakim IRC Bot: -MikeSmith_ ←

19:14:52 <uli> bye

Uli Sattler: bye ←

19:14:52 <Zakim> -Zhe_Wu

Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe_Wu ←

19:14:53 <Zakim> -Alan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan ←

19:14:54 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall ←

19:14:54 <Zakim> -Ratnesh

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ratnesh ←

19:14:55 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

19:14:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-minutes.html ivan

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-minutes.html ivan ←

19:14:56 <Zakim> -bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←

19:14:56 <Ratnesh> bye

Ratnesh Sahay: bye ←

19:14:57 <Zakim> -bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik ←

19:14:57 <MarkusK> bye

Markus Krötzsch: bye ←

19:14:58 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←

19:14:59 <Zakim> -Rinke

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←

19:15:01 <Zakim> -Fabian

Zakim IRC Bot: -Fabian ←

19:15:02 <MikeSmith_> bye

Michael Smith: bye ←

19:15:03 <Zakim> -MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK ←

19:15:05 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

19:15:05 <achille> ivan, do I need to do something special as the scribe

ivan, do I need to do something special as the scribe ←

19:15:07 <Zakim> -Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten ←

19:15:11 <Zakim> -MartinD

Zakim IRC Bot: -MartinD ←

19:15:17 <GiorgosStoilos> zakim, drop GiorgosStoilos

Giorgos Stoilos: zakim, drop GiorgosStoilos ←

19:15:17 <Zakim> GiorgosStoilos is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: GiorgosStoilos is being disconnected ←

19:15:18 <Zakim> -GiorgosStoilos

Zakim IRC Bot: -GiorgosStoilos ←

19:15:19 <Zakim> -Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille ←

19:15:27 <bernardo> Zakim, disconnect me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, disconnect me ←

19:15:27 <Zakim> sorry, bernardo, I do not see a party named 'bernardo'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bernardo, I do not see a party named 'bernardo' ←

19:15:46 <bijan> bernardo, just hang up :)

Bijan Parsia: bernardo, just hang up :) ←

19:16:21 <ivan> rrsagent, bye

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, bye ←

19:16:30 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public ←

19:16:35 <ivan> rrsagent, bye

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, bye ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-actions.rdf : ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro to migration of documents [1]

ACTION: Sandro to migration of documents [1] ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-09-55

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-09-55 ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: 6 to Done [2]

ACTION: 6 to Done [2] ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-10-26

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-10-26 ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email on issue 3  [3]

ACTION: Boris to send an email on ISSUE-3 [3] ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-40-26

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-40-26 ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28 [4]

ACTION: Boris to send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28 [4] ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-48-43

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-48-43 ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5]

ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5] ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-59-38

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-59-38 ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ianh to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [6]

ACTION: ianh to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [6] ←

19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T19-00-51

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T19-00-51 ←

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