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13:57:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:57:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:46 <trackbot> Date: 29 June 2015
13:58:16 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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13:58:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:58:42 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
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13:58:50 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←
13:58:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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13:58:57 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
13:58:57 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
13:59:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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13:59:16 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, IPcaller.a is me ←
13:59:16 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
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13:59:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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14:00:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:00:16 <cburleson> zakim, IPcaller is me.
Cody Burleson: zakim, IPcaller is me. ←
14:00:16 <Zakim> +cburleson; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cburleson; got it ←
14:00:44 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:00:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see TallTed (muted), Arnaud, cburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TallTed (muted), Arnaud, cburleson ←
14:00:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, cburleson, Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish_, elf-pavlik, shepazu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Ashok, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, cburleson, Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish_, elf-pavlik, shepazu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves ←
14:01:00 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:05:28 <cburleson> scribe: cburleson
(Scribe set to Cody Burleson)
<cburleson> chair: Arnaud
<cburleson> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.06.29
<cburleson> topic: Admin
14:05:53 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15 ←
14:06:06 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15 ←
14:06:14 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, I'm with cburleson
Miguel Aragón: Zakim, I'm with cburleson ←
14:06:14 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MiguelAraCo; got it ←
14:06:21 <cburleson> Minutes from last call approved (no objections).
Minutes from last call approved (no objections). ←
14:07:05 <Arnaud> roger, you're joining?
Arnaud Le Hors: roger, you're joining? ←
14:07:16 <cburleson> Topic: Next meeting
14:07:53 <cburleson> 2015.07.13 (in 2 weeks)
2015.07.13 (in 2 weeks) ←
14:08:06 <cburleson> Topic: Tracking of Actions & Issues
14:08:41 <cburleson> Arnaud: Action 162
14:08:51 <cburleson> ... I pinged Rob and we'll see what he says.
... I pinged Rob and we'll see what he says. ←
14:09:13 <cburleson> Topic: Paging
14:09:36 <cburleson> Arnaud: It is set up to be published as a Working Group Note tomorrow.
Arnaud Le Hors: It is set up to be published as a Working Group Note tomorrow. ←
14:09:44 <cburleson> Topic: LD Patch Format
14:10:03 <cburleson> Arnaud: Main actors for this are not on the call.
Arnaud Le Hors: Main actors for this are not on the call. ←
14:10:13 <Zakim> +Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger ←
14:11:06 <cburleson> Arnaud: I proposed we publish LD Patch as a Working Group Note - as we did with Paging.
Arnaud Le Hors: I proposed we publish LD Patch as a Working Group Note - as we did with Paging. ←
14:11:29 <cburleson> ... We're one month away from expiring, and will not be chartering right away. We only have one impl at this point.
... We're one month away from expiring, and will not be chartering right away. We only have one impl at this point. ←
14:11:53 <cburleson> ... It's not clear to me that this should become a recommendation.
... It's not clear to me that this should become a recommendation. ←
14:12:17 <cburleson> ... It could still be turned into a a rec later - even if it becomes a working group note right now.
... It could still be turned into a a rec later - even if it becomes a working group note right now. ←
14:12:26 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:12:26 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:12:34 <cburleson> ... Cody, I know you guys said it was too complicated for your immediate needs.
... Cody, I know you guys said it was too complicated for your immediate needs. ←
14:12:44 <cburleson> ... Ted, you said you guys would be implementing it.
... Ted, you said you guys would be implementing it. ←
14:13:11 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note
PROPOSED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note ←
14:13:17 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:13:20 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
14:13:21 <cburleson> TallTed: But not real soon. We've been working on it off and on. (not exact words)
Ted Thibodeau: But not real soon. We've been working on it off and on. (not exact words) ←
14:14:18 <cburleson> Arnaud: Proposal - Publish LD Patch Format as a Working Group Note
Arnaud Le Hors: Proposal - Publish LD Patch Format as a Working Group Note ←
14:14:24 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:14:24 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:14:47 <cburleson> +1
+1 ←
14:15:14 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:15:15 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:15:16 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:16:03 <cburleson> Ashok: I asked and my team said "We're not quite ready to impl it yet."
Ashok Malhotra: I asked and my team said "We're not quite ready to impl it yet." ←
14:16:24 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
14:16:33 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note
RESOLVED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note ←
14:16:58 <cburleson> Topic: LDP Next
14:17:57 <cburleson> Arnaud: Adre accepted to go to public mailing list and post an email asking for answers on how many people would join. There were several answers, but it wasn't overwhelming.
Arnaud Le Hors: Adre accepted to go to public mailing list and post an email asking for answers on how many people would join. There were several answers, but it wasn't overwhelming. ←
14:18:19 <cburleson> ... There were like 7 answers; is that sufficient to ask for a proposal to recharter?
... There were like 7 answers; is that sufficient to ask for a proposal to recharter? ←
14:18:50 <cburleson> ericP: I think we need like 20 to be sufficient.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think we need like 20 to be sufficient. ←
14:19:08 <cburleson> ... it looks pretty weak right now.
... it looks pretty weak right now. ←
14:19:27 <cburleson> Arnaud: The other option, which Andre suggested, is to create a Community Group.
Arnaud Le Hors: The other option, which Andre suggested, is to create a Community Group. ←
14:19:40 <cburleson> ... Anybody can join; you don't have to be W3C member.
... Anybody can join; you don't have to be W3C member. ←
14:20:31 <cburleson> ... The only requirement is that you have to sign an agreement on the intellectual property generated by what's created.
... The only requirement is that you have to sign an agreement on the intellectual property generated by what's created. ←
14:20:42 <cburleson> ... You cannot produce a formal recommendation.
... You cannot produce a formal recommendation. ←
14:21:17 <cburleson> ... You can call your documents whatever you want and they can eventually drive recommendations.
... You can call your documents whatever you want and they can eventually drive recommendations. ←
14:21:55 <cburleson> ... Somebody has to go to the page to propose a community group and then only two or three more people have to agree. Then you get a simple framework with a mailing list and a wiki page - a basic framework for communication.
... Somebody has to go to the page to propose a community group and then only two or three more people have to agree. Then you get a simple framework with a mailing list and a wiki page - a basic framework for communication. ←
14:22:15 <cburleson> ... Typically, people also now create a GitHub Repo
... Typically, people also now create a GitHub Repo ←
14:22:47 <cburleson> ... I think, given the lack of support right now, we should seriously consider this.
... I think, given the lack of support right now, we should seriously consider this. ←
14:23:14 <cburleson> ... I think Andre could be the one to go and create the Communit Group since this was his idea.
... I think Andre could be the one to go and create the Communit Group since this was his idea. ←
14:23:16 <Ashok> Q+
Ashok Malhotra: Q+ ←
14:23:50 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:24:11 <Zakim> + +33.6.38.32.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.38.32.aaaa ←
14:24:12 <cburleson> Ashok: Do we have to write a charter?
Ashok Malhotra: Do we have to write a charter? ←
14:24:13 <roger> I just added my +1 for interest in LDPNext. I did so earlier actually, but, somehow I couldn't post to public-ldp
Roger Menday: I just added my +1 for interest in LDPNext. I did so earlier actually, but, somehow I couldn't post to public-ldp ←
14:24:25 <bblfish_> hi, sorry for being late
Henry Story: hi, sorry for being late ←
14:24:35 <cburleson> Arnaud: You don't have to have a charter, but you can. A Community Group is much more flexible.
Arnaud Le Hors: You don't have to have a charter, but you can. A Community Group is much more flexible. ←
14:25:34 <cburleson> ... It's a wise thing to set some expectations, but it's not a requirement to have a charter. At any point, for example, someone can start working on something new rather than following an explicitly set charter.
... It's a wise thing to set some expectations, but it's not a requirement to have a charter. At any point, for example, someone can start working on something new rather than following an explicitly set charter. ←
14:26:24 <bblfish_> I think a charter is very important
Henry Story: I think a charter is very important ←
14:26:29 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)
PROPOSED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG) ←
14:26:36 <bblfish_> plus an official chair voted by the members
Henry Story: plus an official chair voted by the members ←
14:28:08 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:28:22 <bblfish> +1 unless of course we manage to find the other 13 support
Henry Story: +1 unless of course we manage to find the other 13 support ←
14:28:31 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
14:28:35 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:28:47 <TallTed> +0.5
Ted Thibodeau: +0.5 ←
14:28:51 <cburleson> +1
+1 ←
14:29:27 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:29:27 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:29:28 <cburleson> TallTed: Explaining rational for +0.5 vote...
Ted Thibodeau: Explaining rational for +0.5 vote... ←
14:29:58 <cburleson> ... My experience with Community Groups has been less than stellar. Curious if anybody else has any experience with it.
... My experience with Community Groups has been less than stellar. Curious if anybody else has any experience with it. ←
14:30:46 <cburleson> Arnaud: The JSON-LD started as an ad-hoc group outside of W3C (actually before CGs existed). They were told to create a CG when W3C brought them online.
Arnaud Le Hors: The JSON-LD started as an ad-hoc group outside of W3C (actually before CGs existed). They were told to create a CG when W3C brought them online. ←
14:31:24 <cburleson> ... The spec was then adopted by RDF WG.
... The spec was then adopted by RDF WG. ←
14:31:50 <roger> +0.5 ok for a temporary measure. hopefully we can re-group as a full WG in the future
Roger Menday: +0.5 ok for a temporary measure. hopefully we can re-group as a full WG in the future ←
14:31:52 <cburleson> Arnaud: Does anybody know of any example where a CG had work that lead to recommendation?
Arnaud Le Hors: Does anybody know of any example where a CG had work that lead to recommendation? ←
14:32:18 <Ashok> Agree with Ted and Roger
Ashok Malhotra: Agree with Ted and Roger ←
14:32:45 <cburleson> TallTed: Community groups have now been in existence for some years, not sure they have led to any recommendations
Ted Thibodeau: Community groups have now been in existence for some years, not sure they have led to any recommendations ←
14:33:02 <cburleson> ... The other option is a little more push for rechartering.
... The other option is a little more push for rechartering. ←
14:33:16 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:33:42 <cburleson> ... We've done important work and I'm afraid we're going to let it fall on the floor.
... We've done important work and I'm afraid we're going to let it fall on the floor. ←
14:34:21 <cburleson> Arnaud: I think that is a fair concern.
Arnaud Le Hors: I think that is a fair concern. ←
14:34:24 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:34:30 <bblfish> Linked Data Platform in Python emerging from France https://github.com/CommonsDev/glutton
Henry Story: Linked Data Platform in Python emerging from France https://github.com/CommonsDev/glutton ←
14:35:06 <cburleson> Henry: News - there is a new LDP in Python that passes the test.
Henry Story: News - there is a new LDP in Python that passes the test. ←
14:35:58 <cburleson> ... I think we do need a continuing group anyway. There will be questions, for example. I think what should be done is that the LDP CG should be chartered by us here in such a way that we, the LDP WG, set the charter and process before we shut down.
... I think we do need a continuing group anyway. There will be questions, for example. I think what should be done is that the LDP CG should be chartered by us here in such a way that we, the LDP WG, set the charter and process before we shut down. ←
14:36:23 <cburleson> Zakim, who is talking
Zakim, who is talking ←
14:36:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', cburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', cburleson ←
14:36:32 <Arnaud> bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: bblfish ←
14:36:34 <cburleson> Zakim, who is speaking?
Zakim, who is speaking? ←
14:36:44 <Zakim> cburleson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (60%)
Zakim IRC Bot: cburleson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (60%) ←
14:36:46 <cburleson> s/Henry/bblfish/
14:39:13 <cburleson> Arnaud: It's probably a good way to function to follow the same style as a Working Group.
Arnaud Le Hors: It's probably a good way to function to follow the same style as a Working Group. ←
14:39:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)
RESOLVED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG) ←
14:39:35 <cburleson> ... I understand the concerns, but I don't think we have what we need to ask W3N to recharter.
... I understand the concerns, but I don't think we have what we need to ask W3N to recharter. ←
14:39:49 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
14:39:56 <cburleson> Arnaud: I'm going to call it resolved.
Arnaud Le Hors: I'm going to call it resolved. ←
14:40:04 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:40:20 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:40:28 <cburleson> ... At the end of the month of July, we will be dissolved. We can use the public list until CG is created. (but not the WG list)
... At the end of the month of July, we will be dissolved. We can use the public list until CG is created. (but not the WG list) ←
14:40:44 <cburleson> Ashok: Is Andre going to start it?
Ashok Malhotra: Is Andre going to start it? ←
14:40:56 <cburleson> Arnaud: I will send Andre an email to ask him.
Arnaud Le Hors: I will send Andre an email to ask him. ←
14:41:19 <ericP> q+ to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks ←
14:41:25 <cburleson> Arnaud: We'll have our last call in 2 weeks then and we'll use that call to make sure this gets taken care of.
Arnaud Le Hors: We'll have our last call in 2 weeks then and we'll use that call to make sure this gets taken care of. ←
14:41:25 <Arnaud> ack ericP
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP ←
14:41:25 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks ←
14:41:31 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:41:31 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:42:32 <ericP> 649 866 245
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 649 866 245 ←
14:42:46 <cburleson> ericP: July 13 - 10:00 AM - I will schedule WebEX. Zakim will be gone.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: July 13 - 10:00 AM - I will schedule WebEX. Zakim will be gone. ←
14:42:47 <ericP> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53
Eric Prud'hommeaux: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53 ←
14:43:01 <cburleson> Arnaud: We'll still use IRC though.
Arnaud Le Hors: We'll still use IRC though. ←
14:43:29 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:43:44 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:44:08 <cburleson> bblfish: Any updates on HTTP Search verb?
Henry Story: Any updates on HTTP Search verb? ←
14:44:44 <cburleson> Ashok: ITEF meeting on the 19th or 20th and we are on the agenda.
Ashok Malhotra: IETF meeting on the 19th or 20th and we are on the agenda. ←
14:45:07 <Arnaud> s/ITEF/IETF/
14:45:16 <cburleson> ... We'll speak about it for about 5 minutes and then we'll see. I'm not going to Prag, but someone from Oracle will go.
... We'll speak about it for about 5 minutes and then we'll see. I'm not going to Prag, but someone from Oracle will go. ←
14:45:35 <cburleson> bblfish: It's not too far from me; I could possibly go.
Henry Story: It's not too far from me; I could possibly go. ←
14:45:59 <cburleson> Ashok: If you could go, that would be excvellent, Henry (bblfish).
Ashok Malhotra: If you could go, that would be excvellent, Henry (bblfish). ←
14:47:20 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:47:23 <Zakim> - +33.6.38.32.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.6.38.32.aaaa ←
14:47:28 <Zakim> -Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger ←
14:47:29 <Zakim> -cburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: -cburleson ←
14:47:29 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
14:47:33 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
14:47:33 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
14:47:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa ←
<cburleson> Present: TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, bblfish
14:47:39 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
14:47:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
14:47:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/29-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/29-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
14:47:42 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
14:47:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
14:47:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
14:47:43 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
14:47:43 <Zakim> Attendees were TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa ←
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