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13:57:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:57:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:46 <trackbot> Date: 29 June 2015
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13:58:50 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
13:58:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
13:58:57 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
13:58:57 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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13:59:16 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
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14:00:16 <cburleson> zakim, IPcaller is me.
14:00:16 <Zakim> +cburleson; got it
14:00:44 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
14:00:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see TallTed (muted), Arnaud, cburleson
14:00:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, cburleson, Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish_, elf-pavlik, shepazu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves
14:01:00 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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14:05:28 <cburleson> scribe: cburleson
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14:05:53 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15
14:06:06 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15
14:06:07 <roger> roger has joined #ldp
14:06:14 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, I'm with cburleson
14:06:14 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
14:06:21 <cburleson> Minutes from last call approved (no objections).
14:07:05 <Arnaud> roger, you're joining?
14:07:16 <cburleson> Topic: Next meeting
14:07:53 <cburleson> 2015.07.13 (in 2 weeks)
14:08:06 <cburleson> Topic: Tracking of Actions & Issues
14:08:41 <cburleson> Arnaud: Action 162
14:08:51 <cburleson> ... I pinged Rob and we'll see what he says.
14:09:13 <cburleson> Topic: Paging
14:09:36 <cburleson> Arnaud: It is set up to be published as a Working Group Note tomorrow.
14:09:44 <cburleson> Topic: LD Patch Format
14:10:03 <cburleson> Arnaud: Main actors for this are not on the call.
14:10:13 <Zakim> +Roger
14:11:06 <cburleson> Arnaud: I proposed we publish LD Patch as a Working Group Note - as we did with Paging.
14:11:29 <cburleson> ... We're one month away from expiring, and will not be chartering right away. We only have one impl at this point.
14:11:53 <cburleson> ... It's not clear to me that this should become a recommendation.
14:12:17 <cburleson> ... It could still be turned into a a rec later - even if it becomes a working group note right now.
14:12:26 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:12:26 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
14:12:34 <cburleson> ... Cody, I know you guys said it was too complicated for your immediate needs.
14:12:44 <cburleson> ... Ted, you said you guys would be implementing it.
14:13:11 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note
14:13:17 <roger> +1
14:13:20 <Zakim> +EricP
14:13:21 <cburleson> TallTed: But not real soon. We've been working on it off and on. (not exact words)
14:14:18 <cburleson> Arnaud: Proposal - Publish LD Patch Format as a Working Group Note
14:14:24 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:14:24 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
14:14:47 <cburleson> +1
14:15:14 <MiguelAraCo> +1
14:15:15 <ericP> +1
14:15:16 <TallTed> +1
14:16:03 <cburleson> Arnaud: I asked and my team said "We're not quite ready to impl it yet."
14:16:16 <cburleson> That was Ashok, sorry
14:16:17 <Ashok> _1
14:16:24 <Ashok> +1
14:16:33 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note
14:16:58 <cburleson> Topic: LDP Next
14:17:57 <cburleson> Arnaud: Adre accepted to go to public mailing list and post an email asking for answers on how many people would join. There were several answers, but it wasn't overwhelming.
14:18:19 <cburleson> ... There were like 7 answers; is that sufficient to ask for a proposal to recharter?
14:18:50 <cburleson> ericP: I think we need like 20 to be sufficient.
14:19:08 <cburleson> ... it looks pretty weak right now.
14:19:27 <cburleson> Arnaud: The other option, which Andre suggested, is to create a Community Group.
14:19:40 <cburleson> ... Anybody can join; you don't have to be W3C member.
14:20:31 <cburleson> ... The only requirement is that you have to sign an agreement on the intellectual property generated by what's created.
14:20:42 <cburleson> ... You cannot produce a formal recommendation.
14:21:17 <cburleson> ... You can call your documents whatever you want and they can eventually drive recommendations.
14:21:55 <cburleson> ... Somebody has to go to the page to propose a community group and then only two or three more people have to agree. Then you get a simple framework with a mailing list and a wiki page - a basic framework for communication.
14:22:15 <cburleson> ... Typically, people also now create a GitHub Repo
14:22:47 <cburleson> ... I think, given the lack of support right now, we should seriously consider this.
14:23:14 <cburleson> ... I think Andre could be the one to go and create the Communit Group since this was his idea.
14:23:16 <Ashok> Q+
14:23:50 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
14:24:11 <Zakim> + +33.6.38.32.aaaa
14:24:12 <cburleson> Ashok: Do we have to write a charter?
14:24:13 <roger> I just added my +1 for interest in LDPNext. I did so earlier actually, but, somehow I couldn't post to public-ldp
14:24:25 <bblfish_> hi, sorry for being late
14:24:35 <cburleson> Arnaud: You don't have to have a charter, but you can. A Community Group is much more flexible.
14:25:34 <cburleson> ... It's a wise thing to set some expectations, but it's not a requirement to have a charter. At any point, for example, someone can start working on something new rather than following an explicitly set charter.
14:26:24 <bblfish_> I think a charter is very important
14:26:29 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)
14:26:36 <bblfish_> plus an official chair voted by the members
14:28:08 <ericP> +1
14:28:22 <bblfish> +1 unless of course we manage to find the other 13 support
14:28:31 <Ashok> +1
14:28:33 <TallTed> s/Arnaud: I asked and my team/Ashok: I asked and my team/
14:28:35 <MiguelAraCo> +1
14:28:47 <TallTed> +0.5
14:28:51 <cburleson> +1
14:29:06 <TallTed> unmute me
14:29:27 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:29:27 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
14:29:28 <cburleson> TallTed: Explaining rational for +0.5 vote...
14:29:58 <cburleson> ... My experience with Community Groups has been less than stellar. Curious if anybody else has any experience with it.
14:30:46 <cburleson> Arnaud: The JSON-LD started as an ad-hoc group outside of W3C (actually before CGs existed). They were told to create a CG when W3C brought them online.
14:31:24 <cburleson> TallTed: The spec was then adopted by RDF.
14:31:50 <roger> +0.5 ok for a temporary measure. hopefully we can re-group as a full WG in the future
14:31:52 <cburleson> eArnaud: Does anybody know of any example where a CG had work that lead to recommendation?
14:32:14 <cburleson> s/eArnaud/Arnaud/
14:32:18 <Ashok> Agree with Ted and Roger
14:32:45 <cburleson> TallTed: Community groups have now been [in existence for?] some years.
14:33:02 <cburleson> ... The other option is a little more push for rechartering.
14:33:16 <bblfish> q+
14:33:42 <cburleson> ... We've done important work and I'm afraid we're going top let it fall on the floor.
14:34:21 <cburleson> Arnaud: I think that is a fair concern.
14:34:24 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:34:30 <bblfish> inked Data Platform in Python emerging from France https://github.com/CommonsDev/glutton
14:35:06 <cburleson> Henry: News - there is a new LDP in Python that passes the test.
14:35:58 <cburleson> ... I think we do need a continuing group anyway. There will be questions, for example. I think what should be done is that the LDP CG should be chartered by us here in such a way that we, the LDP WG, set the charter and process before we shut down.
14:36:23 <cburleson> Zakim, who is talking
14:36:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', cburleson
14:36:32 <Arnaud> bblfish
14:36:34 <cburleson> Zakim, who is speaking?
14:36:44 <Zakim> cburleson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (60%)
14:36:46 <cburleson> s/Henry/bblfish/
14:39:13 <cburleson> Arnaud: It's probably a good way to function to follow the same style as a Working Group.
14:39:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)
14:39:35 <cburleson> ... I understand the concerns, but I don't think we have what we need to ask W3N to recharter.
14:39:49 <bblfish> q?
14:39:56 <cburleson> Arnaud: I'm going to call it resolved.
14:40:04 <Ashok> q+
14:40:20 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
14:40:28 <cburleson> ... At the end of the month of July, we will be dissolved. We can use the public list until CG is created. (but not the WG list)
14:40:44 <cburleson> Ashok: Is Andre going to start it?
14:40:56 <cburleson> Arnaud: I will send Andre an email to ask him.
14:41:19 <ericP> q+ to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks
14:41:25 <cburleson> Arnaud: We'll have our last call in 2 weeks then and we'll use that call to make sure this gets taken care of.
14:41:25 <Arnaud> ack ericP
14:41:25 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks
14:41:31 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:41:31 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
14:42:32 <ericP> 649 866 245
14:42:46 <cburleson> ericP: July 13 - 10:00 AM - I will schedule WebEX. Zakim will be gone.
14:42:47 <ericP> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53
14:43:01 <cburleson> Arnaud: We'll still use IRC though.
14:43:29 <bblfish> q+
14:43:44 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:44:08 <cburleson> bblfish: Any updates on HTTP Search verb?
14:44:44 <cburleson> Ashok: ITEF meeting on the 19th or 20th and we are on the agenda.
14:45:07 <Arnaud> s/ITEF/IETF/
14:45:16 <cburleson> ... We'll speak about it for about 5 minutes and then we'll see. I'm not going to Prag, but someone from Oracle will go.
14:45:35 <cburleson> bblfish: It's not too far from me; I could possibly go.
14:45:59 <cburleson> Arnaud: If you could go, that would be excvellent, Henry (bblfish).
14:46:13 <cburleson> That was Ashok last
14:47:20 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
14:47:23 <Zakim> - +33.6.38.32.aaaa
14:47:28 <Zakim> -Roger
14:47:29 <Zakim> -cburleson
14:47:29 <Zakim> -TallTed
14:47:33 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
14:47:33 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:47:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa
14:47:39 <Zakim> -EricP
14:47:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:47:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/29-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
14:47:42 <Zakim> -Arnaud
14:47:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:47:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
14:47:43 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
14:47:43 <Zakim> Attendees were TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa