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13:57:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:57:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:49 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2015
13:58:47 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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13:58:54 <Zakim> +deiu
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14:00:39 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:00:40 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:01:35 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:01:35 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
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14:01:37 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:01:37 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
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14:03:02 <Zakim> +bblfish
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14:03:44 <Zakim> +EricP
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14:03:50 <TallTed> Zakim, MacTed is really me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, MacTed is really me ←
14:03:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:04:57 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
<deiu> chair: Arnaud
<deiu> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.05.11
14:05:19 <deiu> Topic: Admin
14:05:14 <Arnaud> Proposed: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27 ←
14:05:32 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27 ←
14:05:35 <deiu> Arnaud: I was wondering if I should give that up at this point...
Arnaud Le Hors: I was wondering if I should give that up at this point... ←
14:05:57 <TallTed> May 25 == Memorial Day in USA
Ted Thibodeau: May 25 == Memorial Day in USA ←
14:05:58 <deiu> ...we'll be meeting again in 2 weeks, with 2 open actions
...we'll be meeting again in 2 weeks, with 2 open actions ←
14:06:19 <TallTed> regrets from me for May 25
Ted Thibodeau: regrets from me for May 25 ←
<deiu> ... ok, let's meet on 1 June then
... ok, let's meet on 1 June then ←
14:06:21 <Zakim> +Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger ←
14:06:38 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei hasn't yet completed his action (he promises to do it this week)
Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei hasn't yet completed his action (he promises to do it this week) ←
14:06:51 <deiu> ...no news from Rob either so I guess his action is till pending
...no news from Rob either so I guess his action is till pending ←
14:07:02 <deiu> Topic: Paging
14:07:36 <deiu> Arnaud: the next step, if we don't force any change, and if people won't step up and say they plan to implement it, then we have to turn it into a WG note
Arnaud Le Hors: the next step, if we don't force any change, and if people won't step up and say they plan to implement it, then we have to turn it into a WG note ←
14:08:21 <deiu> ...if we are to recharter the LDP WG (which I am now more optimistic about), I don't know if we should leave it as a WD, or publish it as a note
...if we are to recharter the LDP WG (which I am now more optimistic about), I don't know if we should leave it as a WD, or publish it as a note ←
14:08:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:08:25 <MiguelAraCo> Umbreon21
14:08:33 <deiu> ...what do people think about it?
...what do people think about it? ←
14:08:54 <deiu> ...publishing it as a WG note shouldn't take too much time
...publishing it as a WG note shouldn't take too much time ←
14:09:31 <deiu> ...also, from a process p.o.v. doesn't prevent LDPNext to pick it up and continue working on it
...also, from a process p.o.v. doesn't prevent LDPNext to pick it up and continue working on it ←
14:09:33 <bblfish> seems like a good idea. I can't implement it just because there is so much work on other things.
Henry Story: seems like a good idea. I can't implement it just because there is so much work on other things. ←
14:09:47 <deiu> ...so my conclusion is to publish it as a WG note right now
...so my conclusion is to publish it as a WG note right now ←
14:09:52 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Miguel Aragón: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:09:52 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
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14:10:08 <deiu> Arnaud: the current charter expires at the end of July (soon)
Arnaud Le Hors: the current charter expires at the end of July (soon) ←
14:10:12 <roger> +1 to publishing as a note
Roger Menday: +1 to publishing as a note ←
14:10:18 <deiu> ...we should work on publishing it as a WG note by then
...we should work on publishing it as a WG note by then ←
14:10:56 <deiu> ericP: did you ask around during the LDP f2f if people were interested in implementing
Eric Prud'hommeaux: did you ask around during the LDP f2f if people were interested in implementing ←
14:11:07 <deiu> Arnaud: yes, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm
Arnaud Le Hors: yes, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm ←
14:11:25 <deiu> ...paging as it is drafted now is not what people seem to want
...paging as it is drafted now is not what people seem to want ←
14:11:35 <deiu> ...people want more control from the client perspective
...people want more control from the client perspective ←
14:11:56 <deiu> ...people are also interested in the context of query/search mechanism
...people are also interested in the context of query/search mechanism ←
14:12:04 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:12:31 <deiu> ericP: was there a contrast between that and SPARQL? (i.e. SPARQL describe)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: was there a contrast between that and SPARQL? (i.e. SPARQL describe) ←
14:12:32 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:13:16 <deiu> bblfish: describe works if you have a structured document that is going to come back; in Atom, the paging made sense because results were returned in a certain order, which is not the case for RDF
Henry Story: describe works if you have a structured document that is going to come back; in Atom, the paging made sense because results were returned in a certain order, which is not the case for RDF ←
14:13:23 <MiguelAraCo> s/Umbreon21//
14:13:29 <deiu> Arnaud: we had paging in the context of containers
Arnaud Le Hors: we had paging in the context of containers ←
14:14:08 <deiu> ...anyway, I found it interesting that paging is not really attractive right now in its current shape
...anyway, I found it interesting that paging is not really attractive right now in its current shape ←
14:15:12 <deiu> ...if we decide to publish it as a WG, we will need a formal resolution
...if we decide to publish it as a WG, we will need a formal resolution ←
14:15:49 <deiu> ...for now I have assumed that it's still a work in progress, but I haven't heard anyone trying to intervene and stop me
...for now I have assumed that it's still a work in progress, but I haven't heard anyone trying to intervene and stop me ←
14:16:11 <deiu> Arnaud: should we just do that?
Arnaud Le Hors: should we just do that? ←
14:16:25 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note
PROPOSED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note ←
14:16:30 <deiu> bblfish: I find it nicely structured, so it's worth publishing as a note
Henry Story: I find it nicely structured, so it's worth publishing as a note ←
14:16:34 <deiu> +1
+1 ←
14:16:35 <bblfish> +q
Henry Story: +q ←
14:16:39 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
14:16:45 <TallTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
14:16:46 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
14:16:48 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:16:49 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:16:51 <ericP> +0
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +0 ←
14:17:20 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note
RESOLVED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note ←
14:17:32 <deiu> Arnaud: even if we publish it as a WG note, we can still move it to REC if we get people saying they've implemented it
Arnaud Le Hors: even if we publish it as a WG note, we can still move it to REC if we get people saying they've implemented it ←
14:17:44 <deiu> ...maybe Ashok can take a pass at it
...maybe Ashok can take a pass at it ←
14:17:48 <deiu> ...or I can do it
...or I can do it ←
14:18:01 <Zakim> +??P17
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14:18:02 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch
14:18:08 <deiu> Arnaud: any progress there?
Arnaud Le Hors: any progress there? ←
14:18:09 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
14:18:14 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P17 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P17 is me ←
14:18:14 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
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14:18:16 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
14:18:24 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
14:18:24 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted ←
14:19:07 <nmihindu> LDP4j does not implement paging at the moment.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: LDP4j does not implement paging at the moment. ←
14:19:09 <deiu> Arnaud: anyone implementing LD Patch, other than Alexandre and PA?
Arnaud Le Hors: anyone implementing LD Patch, other than Alexandre and PA? ←
14:19:27 <deiu> nmihindu, we're talking about LD Patch now :)
nmihindu, we're talking about LD Patch now :) ←
14:20:14 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:20:14 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
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14:20:25 <nmihindu> deiu, thanks! same goes for LD Patch :)
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: deiu, thanks! same goes for LD Patch :) ←
14:20:35 <deiu> Arnaud: we need at least 2 independent implementations (3 would be better)
Arnaud Le Hors: we need at least 2 independent implementations (3 would be better) ←
14:20:50 <deiu> TallTed: I think we might have people working on it, I'll ask around
Ted Thibodeau: I think we might have people working on it, I'll ask around ←
14:20:53 <deiu> Topic: LDP primer
14:20:56 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:20:56 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:21:07 <nmihindu> no
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: no ←
14:21:15 <deiu> Arnaud: I realized that we never actually published more than the FPWD
Arnaud Le Hors: I realized that we never actually published more than the FPWD ←
14:21:16 <nmihindu> we published it as a note
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we published it as a note ←
14:21:32 <nmihindu> http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-primer/
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-primer/ ←
14:22:21 <deiu> Arnaud: my bad, I had a browser cache issue. It didn't show as a WG note
Arnaud Le Hors: my bad, I had a browser cache issue. It didn't show as a WG note ←
14:22:42 <deiu> Topic: LDP next
14:22:54 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei has the action item to publish the new draft
Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei has the action item to publish the new draft ←
14:22:58 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
14:23:05 <bblfish> do we have a link?
Henry Story: do we have a link? ←
14:23:10 <deiu> ...we need to do that fast
...we need to do that fast ←
14:23:12 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:23:35 <deiu> ...the process is quite slow, so we need to move fast since our group expires at the end of July
...the process is quite slow, so we need to move fast since our group expires at the end of July ←
14:24:01 <deiu> ...one of the things that didn't make the cut at the f2f was POSTing multiple resources
...one of the things that didn't make the cut at the f2f was POSTing multiple resources ←
14:24:19 <deiu> ...we did talk about GETting multiple resources (i.e. inline on GET)
...we did talk about GETting multiple resources (i.e. inline on GET) ←
14:24:34 <deiu> ...in the Social Web WG we had people doing this already
...in the Social Web WG we had people doing this already ←
14:24:53 <bblfish> yes, that would be interesting to POST a whole zip of files
Henry Story: yes, that would be interesting to POST a whole zip of files ←
14:25:20 <deiu> ...some of us are interested in using LDP in the context of the Social Web WG, so my point is that we didn't put on the list "creating multiple resources with one POST"
...some of us are interested in using LDP in the context of the Social Web WG, so my point is that we didn't put on the list "creating multiple resources with one POST" ←
14:25:21 <bblfish> +1 for that
Henry Story: +1 for that ←
14:25:25 <deiu> +1 too
+1 too ←
14:25:54 <deiu> Arnaud: if we define inlining through multipart, it shouldn't be too complicated to do this for POST
Arnaud Le Hors: if we define inlining through multipart, it shouldn't be too complicated to do this for POST ←
14:26:06 <deiu> ...we need to start the discussion as soon as possible
...we need to start the discussion as soon as possible ←
14:26:14 <nmihindu> +1 we also had a use case of POSTing inlined/multiple documents
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 we also had a use case of POSTing inlined/multiple documents ←
14:26:39 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei will handle the process re. taking the charter to W3M
Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei will handle the process re. taking the charter to W3M ←
14:26:57 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
14:27:22 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:27:29 <deiu> ...to avoid discontinuity, we need to work on this now
...to avoid discontinuity, we need to work on this now ←
14:27:58 <deiu> bblfish: I thought the Social Web WG mentioned something interesting -- i.e. a notification mechanism
Henry Story: I thought the Social Web WG mentioned something interesting -- i.e. a notification mechanism ←
14:28:12 <deiu> ...I wondered if that shouldn't be added to the charter
...I wondered if that shouldn't be added to the charter ←
14:28:34 <deiu> Arnaud: you can bring it up once Andrei sends the new charter for review by the group
Arnaud Le Hors: you can bring it up once Andrei sends the new charter for review by the group ←
14:28:49 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
14:29:10 <deiu> Arnaud: at the meetup we made an effort to pick the 5 top items we can work on
Arnaud Le Hors: at the meetup we made an effort to pick the 5 top items we can work on ←
14:29:22 <deiu> ...to avoid failing because of too many goals
...to avoid failing because of too many goals ←
14:29:24 <deiu> q-
q- ←
14:29:29 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
14:29:44 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
14:30:48 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:30:48 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
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14:31:59 <deiu> TallTed: I don't remember the meeting being "official", so I'm not sure what real weight the proposed items have
Ted Thibodeau: I don't remember the meeting being "official", so I'm not sure what real weight the proposed items have ←
14:32:20 <deiu> Arnaud: you're right, those may not be the _final_ items
Arnaud Le Hors: you're right, those may not be the _final_ items ←
14:32:53 <deiu> TallTed: just a reminder, two weeks from now there's a US holiday
Ted Thibodeau: just a reminder, two weeks from now there's a US holiday ←
14:33:17 <deiu> Arnaud: let's meet on June 1st then
Arnaud Le Hors: let's meet on June 1st then ←
14:33:28 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
14:33:36 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
14:33:43 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
14:34:19 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, let's do that; we're meeting on June 1st next time
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, let's do that; we're meeting on June 1st next time ←
14:34:44 <deiu> ...I think we're done for the time being
...I think we're done for the time being ←
14:34:49 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
14:34:52 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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14:34:53 <Zakim> -MiguelAraCo
Zakim IRC Bot: -MiguelAraCo ←
14:34:53 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
14:34:53 <deiu> ...thank you all!
...thank you all! ←
14:34:55 <Zakim> -Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger ←
14:34:55 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
14:34:57 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
14:35:02 <deiu> [meeting adjourned]
[meeting adjourned] ←
14:35:04 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
14:35:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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14:35:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu ←
<deiu> Present: deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu
14:35:11 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
14:35:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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14:35:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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14:35:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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