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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 27 April 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.04.27
Present
Robert Sanderson, Ashok Malhotra, Arnaud Le Hors, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Henry Story, Ted Thibodeau, Roger Menday, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Roger Menday
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve the minutes of the 13 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-13 link
Topics
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13:56:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:56:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:25 <trackbot> Date: 27 April 2015
13:59:09 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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13:59:16 <Zakim> +azaroth

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13:59:48 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:00:20 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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14:00:51 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

14:01:13 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

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14:01:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud

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14:01:48 <Zakim> +ericP

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14:02:00 <Zakim> + +33.6.43.93.aaaa

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14:02:11 <bblfish> Zakim, aaaa is me

Henry Story: Zakim, aaaa is me

14:02:11 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it

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14:02:15 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:02:16 <bblfish> yes

Henry Story: yes

14:02:20 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:02:20 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:02:22 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:02:22 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:02:38 <Zakim> +Roger

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14:05:23 <Zakim> +??P16

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14:05:26 <Arnaud> deiu, any progress on the charter update?

Arnaud Le Hors: deiu, any progress on the charter update?

14:06:09 <bblfish> I can scribe

Henry Story: I can scribe

14:06:33 <roger> Scribe: Roger

(Scribe set to Roger Menday)

<roger> chair: Arnaud
<roger> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.04.27
<roger> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:06:46 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 13 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-13

PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 13 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-13

14:07:02 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 13 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-13

RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 13 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-13

14:07:10 <pchampin> link is broken, no?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: link is broken, no?

14:08:15 <Zakim> +??P20

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14:08:24 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P20 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P20 is me

14:08:24 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

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14:08:31 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:08:31 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

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14:08:34 <roger> There are two open actions

There are two open actions

14:09:00 <roger> Topic: Recent Workshop

2. Recent Workshop

14:09:42 <roger> Ashok has sent a draft report to the mailing. Please read and provide feedback. It was a productive and useful.

Ashok has sent a draft report to the mailing. Please read and provide feedback. It was a productive and useful.

14:10:11 <roger> Many presentations. Exchange of ideas. People are implementing and using LDP !!

Many presentations. Exchange of ideas. People are implementing and using LDP !!

14:10:26 <roger> It was great to see that people are using it.

It was great to see that people are using it.

14:11:01 <roger> People have requirements for extensions.

People have requirements for extensions.

14:12:14 <roger> List of extensions and requirements evolved during the course of the meeting.

List of extensions and requirements evolved during the course of the meeting.

14:12:14 <Ashok> Here is the list of the top 5

Ashok Malhotra: Here is the list of the top 5

14:12:17 <Ashok> 1. Extensibility and Discovery 2. Inlining on Get 3. Query/Search 3.1 SPARQL on LDP (resource-centric) – Queries in SPARQL are either triple oriented (CONSTRUCT) or table oriented (SELECT).  We need to be able to speak about resources such as the members of a container. 3.2 RDF Source-scoped – being able to query LDP-Rs.  Perhaps each LDPR could be considered as its own SPARQL endpoint. 3.3 Paging of query results 4. Client-based paging 5. Access Control inc[CUT]

Ashok Malhotra: 1. Extensibility and Discovery 2. Inlining on Get 3. Query/Search 3.1 SPARQL on LDP (resource-centric) – Queries in SPARQL are either triple oriented (CONSTRUCT) or table oriented (SELECT). We need to be able to speak about resources such as the members of a container. 3.2 RDF Source-scoped – being able to query LDP-Rs. Perhaps each LDPR could be considered as its own SPARQL endpoint. 3.3 Paging of query results 4. Client-based paging 5. Access Control inc[CUT]

14:17:12 <roger> Rob took an action to produce some documentation about features present in the existing implementations.

Rob took an action to produce some documentation about features present in the existing implementations.

14:17:40 <roger> Andrei took an action to update the charter.

Andrei took an action to update the charter.

14:19:31 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

14:19:37 <TallTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

14:20:09 <azaroth> Minor correction: one of my colleagues has already done a lot of work in comparing LDP implementations, so the action on me was just to send that on to the list

Robert Sanderson: Minor correction: one of my colleagues has already done a lot of work in comparing LDP implementations, so the action on me was just to send that on to the list

14:20:12 <roger> The LDP re-chartering requires a new Chair, because Arnaud will not be available for the job (for a number of reasons)

The LDP re-chartering requires a new Chair, because Arnaud will not be available for the job (for a number of reasons)

14:20:40 <bblfish> don't forget that many people  perhaps did not come due to distance, so there must be more people out there interested

Henry Story: don't forget that many people perhaps did not come due to distance, so there must be more people out there interested

14:22:20 <Ashok> Yes, Henry, I'm sure that's true!

Ashok Malhotra: Yes, Henry, I'm sure that's true!

14:22:45 <bblfish> very nice.

Henry Story: very nice.

14:22:48 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:23:02 <Arnaud> ack azaroth

Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth

14:23:27 <TallTed> ack me

Ted Thibodeau: ack me

14:23:28 <Arnaud> ack TallTed

Arnaud Le Hors: ack TallTed

14:24:37 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:24:40 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

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14:24:40 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:25:19 <roger> TallTed: Don't forget about paging. It's important !

Ted Thibodeau: Don't forget about paging. It's important !

14:25:28 <Ashok> Ted ... also paging with inlining of member contents

Ashok Malhotra: Ted ... also paging with inlining of member contents

14:26:04 <nmihindu> bblfish, https://github.com/jasnell/specs/blob/master/httpbis/draft-snell-search-method-00.txt

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bblfish, https://github.com/jasnell/specs/blob/master/httpbis/draft-snell-search-method-00.txt

<roger> topic: LDP Paging

3. LDP Paging

14:27:51 <azaroth> q+ to suggest just including Vary in all the examples

Robert Sanderson: q+ to suggest just including Vary in all the examples

14:28:14 <Arnaud> ack azaroth

Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth

14:28:14 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to suggest just including Vary in all the examples

Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to suggest just including Vary in all the examples

14:28:37 <Ashok> Thanks, Nandana, please all respond on the w3c-ietf mailing list expressing support

Ashok Malhotra: Thanks, Nandana, please all respond on the w3c-ietf mailing list expressing support

14:32:03 <azaroth> ACTION azaroth to send edits for paging to include Vary header in examples, consider also non-normative sentence in the text

Robert Sanderson: ACTION azaroth to send edits for paging to include Vary header in examples, consider also non-normative sentence in the text

14:32:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-163 - Send edits for paging to include vary header in examples, consider also non-normative sentence in the text [on Robert Sanderson - due 2015-05-04].

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14:33:46 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:33:46 <roger> Arnaud: after Robs edits we could thinking about publishing a working group note from the LDP Paging document.

Arnaud Le Hors: after Robs edits we could thinking about publishing a working group note from the LDP Paging document.

14:35:29 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:35:44 <roger> Arnaud: Two common comments about paging. 1. paging on it's own doesn't do enough - I need querying as well. 2. some have a preference for paging to be more "client-driven"

Arnaud Le Hors: Two common comments about paging. 1. paging on it's own doesn't do enough - I need querying as well. 2. some have a preference for paging to be more "client-driven"

14:36:09 <roger> Topic: LD PATCH

4. LD PATCH

14:36:26 <pchampin> https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite/blob/master/README.rst#implementation-reports

Pierre-Antoine Champin: https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite/blob/master/README.rst#implementation-reports

14:36:36 <pchampin> https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite/blob/master/README.rst

Pierre-Antoine Champin: https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite/blob/master/README.rst

14:36:36 <Ashok> Sorry!  Gotta go!

Ashok Malhotra: Sorry! Gotta go!

14:36:40 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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14:36:51 <pchampin> https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite/blob/master/reports/

Pierre-Antoine Champin: https://github.com/pchampin/ld-patch-testsuite/blob/master/reports/

14:37:43 <roger> pchampin: the content is being maintained at github.

Pierre-Antoine Champin: the content is being maintained at github.

14:38:12 <roger> implemention reports are welcome, as well as using the test suite

implemention reports are welcome, as well as using the test suite

14:39:18 <roger> Topic: Primer

5. Primer

14:39:37 <roger> Primer is published as a working group note. Thanks to Eric.

Primer is published as a working group note. Thanks to Eric.

14:39:56 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/OFB28C9205.102D8D2B-ON85257E18.00532691-85257E18.005330C6@us.ibm.com resolution of i18n-ISSUE-409: What are the string matching rules in the delete operation

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/OFB28C9205.102D8D2B-ON85257E18.00532691-85257E18.005330C6@us.ibm.com resolution of i18n-ISSUE-409: What are the string matching rules in the delete operation

14:39:59 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/7C0AF84C6D560544A17DDDEB68A9DFB52ECEF992@ex10-mbx-9007.ant.amazon.com ack on resolution of i18n-ISSUE-410: Language tags should reference BCP 47

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/7C0AF84C6D560544A17DDDEB68A9DFB52ECEF992@ex10-mbx-9007.ant.amazon.com ack on resolution of i18n-ISSUE-410: Language tags should reference BCP 47

14:40:02 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/OFCE96331D.E58C1710-ON85257E34.004DDF64-85257E34.004DF4BF@us.ibm.com ack on resolution of i18n-ISSUE-411: Definition of whitespace should come from Unicode

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/OFCE96331D.E58C1710-ON85257E34.004DDF64-85257E34.004DF4BF@us.ibm.com ack on resolution of i18n-ISSUE-411: Definition of whitespace should come from Unicode

14:40:44 <roger> Topic: Any other business ?

6. Any other business ?

14:41:27 <roger> henry: how fixed is the scope for the LDP.next ?

Henry Story: how fixed is the scope for the LDP.next ?

14:41:49 <roger> arnaud: plenty of time for evolution

Arnaud Le Hors: plenty of time for evolution

14:42:20 <roger> although the list is better when it is _short_

although the list is better when it is _short_

14:43:22 <roger> one more thing .... modules better than monolith

one more thing .... modules better than monolith

14:44:29 <Zakim> -azaroth

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14:44:35 <Zakim> -bblfish

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14:44:37 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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14:44:47 <Zakim> -nmihindu

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15:00:48 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:07:30 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

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Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting

15:07:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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15:07:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been azaroth, Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, ericP, +33.6.43.93.aaaa, bblfish, TallTed, Roger, pchampin, nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been azaroth, Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, ericP, +33.6.43.93.aaaa, bblfish, TallTed, Roger, pchampin, nmihindu

<roger> Present: azaroth, Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, ericP, bblfish, TallTed, Roger, pchampin, nmihindu
15:07:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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15:07:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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15:07:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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