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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 11 May 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.05.11
Present
Andrei Sambra, Arnaud Le Hors, Henry Story, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Ted Thibodeau, Roger Menday, Miguel Aragón, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Andrei Sambra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27 link
  2. Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note link
Topics
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13:57:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:57:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:49 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2015
13:58:47 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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13:58:54 <Zakim> +deiu

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14:00:39 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:00:40 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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14:01:35 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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14:01:35 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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14:01:37 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

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14:01:37 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

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14:03:02 <Zakim> +bblfish

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14:03:44 <Zakim> +EricP

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14:03:50 <TallTed> Zakim, MacTed is really me

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14:03:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:04:57 <deiu> scribenick: deiu

(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)

<deiu> chair: Arnaud
<deiu> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.05.11
14:05:19 <deiu> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:05:14 <Arnaud> Proposed: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27

PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27

14:05:32 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27

RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27

14:05:35 <deiu> Arnaud: I was wondering if I should give that up at this point...

Arnaud Le Hors: I was wondering if I should give that up at this point...

14:05:57 <TallTed> May 25 == Memorial Day in USA

Ted Thibodeau: May 25 == Memorial Day in USA

14:05:58 <deiu> ...we'll be meeting again in 2 weeks, with 2 open actions

...we'll be meeting again in 2 weeks, with 2 open actions

14:06:19 <TallTed> regrets from me for May 25

Ted Thibodeau: regrets from me for May 25

<deiu> ... ok, let's meet on 1 June then

... ok, let's meet on 1 June then

14:06:21 <Zakim> +Roger

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14:06:38 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei hasn't yet completed his action (he promises to do it this week)

Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei hasn't yet completed his action (he promises to do it this week)

14:06:51 <deiu> ...no news from Rob either so I guess his action is till pending

...no news from Rob either so I guess his action is till pending

14:07:02 <deiu> Topic: Paging

2. Paging

14:07:36 <deiu> Arnaud: the next step, if we don't force any change, and if people won't step up and say they plan to implement it, then we have to turn it into a WG note

Arnaud Le Hors: the next step, if we don't force any change, and if people won't step up and say they plan to implement it, then we have to turn it into a WG note

14:08:21 <deiu> ...if we are to recharter the LDP WG (which I am now more optimistic about), I don't know if we should leave it as a WD, or publish it as a note

...if we are to recharter the LDP WG (which I am now more optimistic about), I don't know if we should leave it as a WD, or publish it as a note

14:08:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:08:25 <MiguelAraCo> Umbreon21

Miguel Aragón:

14:08:33 <deiu> ...what do people think about it?

...what do people think about it?

14:08:54 <deiu> ...publishing it as a WG note shouldn't take too much time

...publishing it as a WG note shouldn't take too much time

14:09:31 <deiu> ...also, from a process p.o.v. doesn't prevent LDPNext to pick it up and continue working on it

...also, from a process p.o.v. doesn't prevent LDPNext to pick it up and continue working on it

14:09:33 <bblfish> seems like a good idea. I can't implement it just because there is so much work on other things.

Henry Story: seems like a good idea. I can't implement it just because there is so much work on other things.

14:09:47 <deiu> ...so my conclusion is to publish it as a WG note right now

...so my conclusion is to publish it as a WG note right now

14:09:52 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Miguel Aragón: Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:09:52 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it

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14:10:08 <deiu> Arnaud: the current charter expires at the end of July (soon)

Arnaud Le Hors: the current charter expires at the end of July (soon)

14:10:12 <roger> +1 to publishing as a note

Roger Menday: +1 to publishing as a note

14:10:18 <deiu> ...we should work on publishing it as a WG note by then

...we should work on publishing it as a WG note by then

14:10:56 <deiu> ericP: did you ask around during the LDP f2f if people were interested in implementing

Eric Prud'hommeaux: did you ask around during the LDP f2f if people were interested in implementing

14:11:07 <deiu> Arnaud: yes, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm

Arnaud Le Hors: yes, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm

14:11:25 <deiu> ...paging as it is drafted now is not what people seem to want

...paging as it is drafted now is not what people seem to want

14:11:35 <deiu> ...people want more control from the client perspective

...people want more control from the client perspective

14:11:56 <deiu> ...people are also interested in the context of query/search mechanism

...people are also interested in the context of query/search mechanism

14:12:04 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:12:31 <deiu> ericP: was there a contrast between that and SPARQL? (i.e. SPARQL describe)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: was there a contrast between that and SPARQL? (i.e. SPARQL describe)

14:12:32 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:13:16 <deiu> bblfish: describe works if you have a structured document that is going to come back; in Atom, the paging made sense because results were returned in a certain order, which is not the case for RDF

Henry Story: describe works if you have a structured document that is going to come back; in Atom, the paging made sense because results were returned in a certain order, which is not the case for RDF

14:13:23 <MiguelAraCo> s/Umbreon21//
14:13:29 <deiu> Arnaud: we had paging in the context of containers

Arnaud Le Hors: we had paging in the context of containers

14:14:08 <deiu> ...anyway, I found it interesting that paging is not really attractive right now in its current shape

...anyway, I found it interesting that paging is not really attractive right now in its current shape

14:15:12 <deiu> ...if we decide to publish it as a WG, we will need a formal resolution

...if we decide to publish it as a WG, we will need a formal resolution

14:15:49 <deiu> ...for now I have assumed that it's still a work in progress, but I haven't heard anyone trying to intervene and stop me

...for now I have assumed that it's still a work in progress, but I haven't heard anyone trying to intervene and stop me

14:16:11 <deiu> Arnaud: should we just do that?

Arnaud Le Hors: should we just do that?

14:16:25 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note

PROPOSED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note

14:16:30 <deiu> bblfish: I find it nicely structured, so it's worth publishing as a note

Henry Story: I find it nicely structured, so it's worth publishing as a note

14:16:34 <deiu> +1

+1

14:16:35 <bblfish> +q

Henry Story: +q

14:16:39 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

14:16:45 <TallTed> +0

Ted Thibodeau: +0

14:16:46 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

14:16:48 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:16:49 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:16:51 <ericP> +0

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +0

14:17:20 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note

RESOLVED: Remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note

14:17:32 <deiu> Arnaud: even if we publish it as a WG note, we can still move it to REC if we get people saying they've implemented it

Arnaud Le Hors: even if we publish it as a WG note, we can still move it to REC if we get people saying they've implemented it

14:17:44 <deiu> ...maybe Ashok can take a pass at it

...maybe Ashok can take a pass at it

14:17:48 <deiu> ...or I can do it

...or I can do it

14:18:01 <Zakim> +??P17

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14:18:02 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch

3. LD Patch

14:18:08 <deiu> Arnaud: any progress there?

Arnaud Le Hors: any progress there?

14:18:09 <deiu> q+

q+

14:18:14 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P17 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P17 is me

14:18:14 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

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14:18:16 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

14:18:24 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:18:24 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

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14:19:07 <nmihindu> LDP4j does not implement paging at the moment.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: LDP4j does not implement paging at the moment.

14:19:09 <deiu> Arnaud: anyone implementing LD Patch, other than Alexandre and PA?

Arnaud Le Hors: anyone implementing LD Patch, other than Alexandre and PA?

14:19:27 <deiu> nmihindu, we're talking about LD Patch now :)

nmihindu, we're talking about LD Patch now :)

14:20:14 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

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14:20:25 <nmihindu> deiu, thanks! same goes for LD Patch :)

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: deiu, thanks! same goes for LD Patch :)

14:20:35 <deiu> Arnaud: we need at least 2 independent implementations (3 would be better)

Arnaud Le Hors: we need at least 2 independent implementations (3 would be better)

14:20:50 <deiu> TallTed: I think we might have people working on it, I'll ask around

Ted Thibodeau: I think we might have people working on it, I'll ask around

14:20:53 <deiu> Topic: LDP primer

4. LDP primer

14:20:56 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

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14:21:07 <nmihindu> no

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: no

14:21:15 <deiu> Arnaud: I realized that we never actually published more than the FPWD

Arnaud Le Hors: I realized that we never actually published more than the FPWD

14:21:16 <nmihindu> we published it as a note

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we published it as a note

14:21:32 <nmihindu> http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-primer/

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-primer/

14:22:21 <deiu> Arnaud: my bad, I had a browser cache issue. It didn't show as a WG note

Arnaud Le Hors: my bad, I had a browser cache issue. It didn't show as a WG note

14:22:42 <deiu> Topic: LDP next

5. LDP next

14:22:54 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei has the action item to publish the new draft

Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei has the action item to publish the new draft

14:22:58 <deiu> q+

q+

14:23:05 <bblfish> do we have a link?

Henry Story: do we have a link?

14:23:10 <deiu> ...we need to do that fast

...we need to do that fast

14:23:12 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:23:35 <deiu> ...the process is quite slow, so we need to move fast since our group expires at the end of July

...the process is quite slow, so we need to move fast since our group expires at the end of July

14:24:01 <deiu> ...one of the things that didn't make the cut at the f2f was POSTing multiple resources

...one of the things that didn't make the cut at the f2f was POSTing multiple resources

14:24:19 <deiu> ...we did talk about GETting multiple resources (i.e. inline on GET)

...we did talk about GETting multiple resources (i.e. inline on GET)

14:24:34 <deiu> ...in the Social Web WG we had people doing this already

...in the Social Web WG we had people doing this already

14:24:53 <bblfish> yes, that would be interesting to POST a whole zip of files

Henry Story: yes, that would be interesting to POST a whole zip of files

14:25:20 <deiu> ...some of us are interested in using LDP in the context of the Social Web WG, so my point is that we didn't put on the list "creating multiple resources with one POST"

...some of us are interested in using LDP in the context of the Social Web WG, so my point is that we didn't put on the list "creating multiple resources with one POST"

14:25:21 <bblfish> +1 for that

Henry Story: +1 for that

14:25:25 <deiu> +1 too

+1 too

14:25:54 <deiu> Arnaud: if we define inlining through multipart, it shouldn't be too complicated to do this for POST

Arnaud Le Hors: if we define inlining through multipart, it shouldn't be too complicated to do this for POST

14:26:06 <deiu> ...we need to start the discussion as soon as possible

...we need to start the discussion as soon as possible

14:26:14 <nmihindu> +1 we also had a use case of POSTing inlined/multiple documents

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 we also had a use case of POSTing inlined/multiple documents

14:26:39 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei will handle the process re. taking the charter to W3M

Arnaud Le Hors: Andrei will handle the process re. taking the charter to W3M

14:26:57 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

14:27:22 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:27:29 <deiu> ...to avoid discontinuity, we need to work on this now

...to avoid discontinuity, we need to work on this now

14:27:58 <deiu> bblfish: I thought the Social Web WG mentioned something interesting -- i.e. a notification mechanism

Henry Story: I thought the Social Web WG mentioned something interesting -- i.e. a notification mechanism

14:28:12 <deiu> ...I wondered if that shouldn't be added to the charter

...I wondered if that shouldn't be added to the charter

14:28:34 <deiu> Arnaud: you can bring it up once Andrei sends the new charter for review by the group

Arnaud Le Hors: you can bring it up once Andrei sends the new charter for review by the group

14:28:49 <deiu> q+

q+

14:29:10 <deiu> Arnaud: at the meetup we made an effort to pick the 5 top items we can work on

Arnaud Le Hors: at the meetup we made an effort to pick the 5 top items we can work on

14:29:22 <deiu> ...to avoid failing because of too many goals

...to avoid failing because of too many goals

14:29:24 <deiu> q-

q-

14:29:29 <deiu> q+

q+

14:29:44 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

14:30:48 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:30:48 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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14:31:59 <deiu> TallTed: I don't remember the meeting being "official", so I'm not sure what real weight the proposed items have

Ted Thibodeau: I don't remember the meeting being "official", so I'm not sure what real weight the proposed items have

14:32:20 <deiu> Arnaud: you're right, those may not be the _final_ items

Arnaud Le Hors: you're right, those may not be the _final_ items

14:32:53 <deiu> TallTed: just a reminder, two weeks from now there's a US holiday

Ted Thibodeau: just a reminder, two weeks from now there's a US holiday

14:33:17 <deiu> Arnaud: let's meet on June 1st then

Arnaud Le Hors: let's meet on June 1st then

14:33:28 <deiu> q+

q+

14:33:36 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

14:33:43 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

14:34:19 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, let's do that; we're meeting on June 1st next time

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, let's do that; we're meeting on June 1st next time

14:34:44 <deiu> ...I think we're done for the time being

...I think we're done for the time being

14:34:49 <bblfish> thanks

Henry Story: thanks

14:34:52 <Zakim> -nmihindu

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14:34:53 <Zakim> -MiguelAraCo

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14:34:53 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:34:53 <deiu> ...thank you all!

...thank you all!

14:34:55 <Zakim> -Roger

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14:34:55 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:34:57 <Zakim> -bblfish

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14:35:02 <deiu> [meeting adjourned]

[meeting adjourned]

14:35:04 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting

14:35:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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14:35:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu

<deiu> Present: deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu
14:35:11 <Zakim> -deiu

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14:35:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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14:35:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

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14:35:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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14:35:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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