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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 30 September 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.30
Seen
Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Bart van Leeuwen, Cody Burleson, Eric Prud'hommeaux, John Arwe, Kevin Page, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Roger Menday, Sandro Hawke, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau
Regrets
Steve Battle, Cody Burleson, Pierre-Antoine Champin
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Bart van Leeuwen
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of September 23 approved link
  2. Follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0055.html , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same link
Topics
13:51:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/30-ldp-irc

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13:52:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:52:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

13:52:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

13:52:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:52:03 <trackbot> Date: 30 September 2013
13:52:06 <Arnaud> Arnaud has changed the topic to: LDP WG: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp - Today's agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.30

Arnaud Le Hors: Arnaud has changed the topic to: LDP WG: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp - Today's agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.30

13:59:08 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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13:59:14 <Zakim> +??P7

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13:59:26 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p7 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p7 is me

13:59:26 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

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14:00:50 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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14:01:05 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher

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14:01:16 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:01:19 <SteveS> Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

Steve Speicher: Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

14:01:19 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

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14:01:27 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:01:36 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink]

14:01:47 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

14:01:47 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:01:49 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:01:49 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:03:28 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, TallTed (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, TallTed (muted)

14:03:36 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe

14:04:01 <JohnArwe> regrets: steve battle, cody, pierre-antoine
14:04:08 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aaaa

14:05:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> that the problem :-/

Bart van Leeuwen: that the problem :-/

14:06:44 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

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14:07:22 <Zakim> +??P7

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14:07:55 <JohnArwe> zakim, ??P7 is bart

John Arwe: zakim, ??P7 is bart

14:07:55 <Zakim> +bart; got it

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14:08:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> scribe: BartvanLeeuwen

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<BartvanLeeuwen> chair: Arnaud
<BartvanLeeuwen> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.30
<BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:09:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> subTopic: Minutes of September 23

1.1. Minutes of September 23

<BartvanLeeuwen> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-09-23

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-09-23

14:09:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> Resolved: Minutes of September 23 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of September 23 approved

<BartvanLeeuwen> subtopic: Next meeting

1.2. Next meeting

<BartvanLeeuwen> October 7

October 7

14:09:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Actions and issues

2. Actions and issues

<BartvanLeeuwen> no updates

no updates

14:12:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Proposal: normative changes for profiles

3. Proposal: normative changes for profiles

14:12:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html

14:18:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: Sandro, I'd like to know whether the proposed changes to the spec were communicated to Tim after the last F2F and what is reaction was

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Arnaud Le Hors: Sandro, I'd like to know whether the proposed changes to the spec were communicated to Tim after the last F2F and what is reaction was

14:19:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: I'd like to know before we go to LC

Arnaud Le Hors: I'd like to know before we go to LC

14:19:18 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

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14:20:11 <Ashok_> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:20:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro: Tim still wants to have full freedom on the triples placed in the LDPR e.g. last-modified

Sandro Hawke: Tim still wants to have full freedom on the triples placed in the LDPR e.g. last-modified

14:20:58 <Arnaud> ack ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok

14:21:36 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

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14:24:24 <Zakim> +??P27

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14:24:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: I suggest we create an email with the questions we have for Tim, that sandro can take to Tim, and maybe allocate some time with him to go over it

Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest we create an email with the questions we have for Tim, that sandro can take to Tim, and maybe allocate some time with him to go over it

14:24:55 <krp> zakim, ??P27 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P27 is me

14:24:55 <Zakim> +krp; got it

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14:25:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro: I have a meeting with Tim at 4PM EST

Sandro Hawke: I have a meeting with Tim at 4PM EDT

14:25:15 <JohnArwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2013Sep/0003.html

John Arwe: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2013Sep/0003.html

14:29:32 <TallTed> s/EST/EDT/
14:31:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> general discussion about mixing data and metadata, should the server force some metadata predicates like file system metadata

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general discussion about mixing data and metadata, should the server force some metadata predicates like file system metadata

14:33:17 <JohnArwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html

John Arwe: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html

14:36:04 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:36:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, TallTed (muted), JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, bart, krp

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, TallTed (muted), JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, bart, krp

14:36:50 <Arnaud> zakim, aaaa is roger

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, aaaa is roger

14:36:50 <Zakim> +roger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it

14:38:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

q+

14:40:13 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-mobile

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial ericP-mobile

14:40:13 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made

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14:40:15 <Zakim> +EricP

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14:41:08 <JohnArwe> wrt Ashok/Roger comments: possibly could add more words on 4.2.9; generically the interpretation of SHOULD is per 2119, which is to be read (paraphrasing) "do this unless you have a Really Good reason to not do it, and Fully Understand the implications".

John Arwe: wrt Ashok/Roger comments: possibly could add more words on 4.2.9; generically the interpretation of SHOULD is per 2119, which is to be read (paraphrasing) "do this unless you have a Really Good reason to not do it, and Fully Understand the implications".

14:41:29 <roger> vanilla = client-directed. chocolate = server-directed.

Roger Menday: vanilla = client-directed. chocolate = server-directed.

14:41:35 <JohnArwe> correct

John Arwe: correct

14:41:42 <roger> I know !!

Roger Menday: I know !!

14:41:46 <roger> :)

Roger Menday: :)

14:42:00 <JohnArwe> issue-81?

John Arwe: ISSUE-81?

14:42:00 <trackbot> issue-81 -- Confusing membership* predicate names and other possible improvements -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-81 -- Confusing membership* predicate names and other possible improvements -- open

14:42:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/81

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/81

14:42:22 <JohnArwe> as of this morning, see steve S's email, there is a wiki page for flogging the names

John Arwe: as of this morning, see steve S's email, there is a wiki page for flogging the names

14:46:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> Arnaud: people need to go over the email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html and react to it point by point

Arnaud Le Hors: people need to go over the email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html and react to it point by point

14:47:29 <BartvanLeeuwen> ... have the detailed discussions on the list

... have the detailed discussions on the list

<BartvanLeeuwen> ... so that we can spend the teleconf on clarifying issues and making decisions

... so that we can spend the teleconf on clarifying issues and making decisions

14:47:29 <JohnArwe> @ericp: since you missed previous email on -97, I responded to your response about an hour ago

John Arwe: @ericp: since you missed previous email on -97, I responded to your response about an hour ago

14:47:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Proposals for pure-HTTP paging

4. Proposals for pure-HTTP paging

14:58:04 <ericP> PROPOSED: follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0055.html , noting that the intent is that (nested) containers remain the same

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PROPOSED: follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0055.html , noting that the intent is that (nested) containers remain the same

14:58:52 <TallTed> I suggest s/(nested) containers/containers (whether nested or not)/

Ted Thibodeau: I suggest s/(nested) containers/containers (whether nested or not)/

14:59:03 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

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14:59:12 <ericP> PROPOSAL: Follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0055.html , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same

PROPOSED: Follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0055.html , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same

14:59:18 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:59:19 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:59:21 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:59:22 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:59:24 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

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14:59:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

+1

14:59:28 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:59:30 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

14:59:35 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:59:53 <ericP> RESOLVED: Follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0055.html , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same

RESOLVED: Follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0055.html , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same

15:00:41 <roger> is that URL in the above actually de-referencable ?

Roger Menday: is that URL in the above actually de-referencable ?

15:00:54 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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15:00:55 <Zakim> -krp

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15:00:55 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:00:57 <Zakim> -roger

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15:00:57 <Zakim> -SteveS

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15:00:58 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:01:10 <Zakim> -bart

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15:01:16 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:01:18 <Zakim> -EricP

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15:02:41 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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15:02:42 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

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15:02:42 <Zakim> Attendees were BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, bart, krp, roger, EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, bart, krp, roger, EricP



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