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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 May 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.13
Seen
Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Cody Burleson, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Henry Story, John Arwe, Kalpa Gunaratna, Kevin Page, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Raúl García Castro, Roger Menday, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau
Regrets
Arnaud Le Hors
Chair
Steve Speicher
Scribe
Ashok Malhotra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of May 6 approved without objection link
  2. Open ISSUE-63 link
  3. Open ISSUE-69 link
Topics
13:55:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/13-ldp-irc

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13:55:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:55:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:55:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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13:55:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:55:25 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2013
13:57:38 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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13:57:45 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←

13:57:52 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me ←

13:57:52 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←

13:57:58 <SteveS> Chair: SteveS
13:58:03 <SteveS> Regrets: Arnaud
<steves> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.13
13:59:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

13:59:50 <cody> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←

13:59:50 <Zakim> +cody; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cody; got it ←

14:00:12 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink] ←

14:00:26 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←

14:00:26 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←

14:00:28 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←

14:00:28 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←

14:00:33 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←

14:00:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted) ←

14:00:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, thschee

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, thschee ←

14:00:49 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←

14:00:51 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←

14:01:12 <svillata> Zakim, ??P7 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P7 is me ←

14:01:13 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←

14:01:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:01:38 <ericP> SteveS, i'll be 30 mins late. will you still be talking about tests then?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: SteveS, i'll be 30 mins late. will you still be talking about tests then? ←

14:02:02 <SteveS> ericP, maybe…I could shuffle the order to make sure it comes in 29+ minutes

Steve Speicher: ericP, maybe…I could shuffle the order to make sure it comes in 29+ minutes ←

14:02:07 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe ←

14:02:16 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←

14:02:26 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P14 is me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P14 is me ←

14:02:26 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it ←

14:02:31 <SteveS> Zakim, who's here?

Steve Speicher: Zakim, who's here? ←

14:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, [IPcaller], JohnArwe, rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, [IPcaller], JohnArwe, rgarcia ←

14:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmihindu, rgarcia, roger, cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nmihindu, rgarcia, roger, cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, ←

14:02:33 <Zakim> ... thschee

Zakim IRC Bot: ... thschee ←

14:03:34 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←

14:03:35 <Zakim> -[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[GVoice] ←

14:03:46 <roger> zakim, i am [IPcaller]

Roger Menday: zakim, i am [IPcaller] ←

14:03:46 <Zakim> ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller] ←

14:03:54 <Zakim> +??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←

14:04:25 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P21 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P21 is me ←

14:04:25 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←

14:05:50 <Arnaud> Arnaud has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.13

Arnaud Le Hors: Arnaud has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.13 ←

14:05:55 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok

(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)

14:06:12 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←

<Ashok> Topic:  Admin

1. Admin

14:06:19 <Ashok> subTopic: Minutes from May 6 telcon

1.1. Minutes from May 6 telcon

14:07:00 <SteveS> Minutes from may 6th http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-06

Steve Speicher: Minutes from may 6th http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-06 ←

14:07:59 <Ashok> SteveS:  There was some email discussion.  I have cleaned up the minutes to reflect that.

Steve Speicher: There was some email discussion. I have cleaned up the minutes to reflect that. ←

14:08:14 <Ashok> Resolved: Minutes of May 6 approved without objection

RESOLVED: Minutes of May 6 approved without objection ←

14:08:27 <Ashok> subTopic:  Next meeting

1.2. Next meeting

14:08:37 <Ashok> Same time, same place

Same time, same place ←

14:08:42 <Ashok> subTopic:  F2F

1.3. F2F

14:09:00 <Ashok> 9 say they they will atend, 3 will atend remotely

9 say they they will attend, 3 will attend remotely ←

14:09:10 <Ashok> s/atend/attend/
14:09:38 <JohnArwe> Is May 20 a UK holiday?  I see in Canada it's Victoria Day.

John Arwe: Is May 20 a UK holiday? I see in Canada it's Victoria Day. ←

14:09:48 <Ashok> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

14:10:04 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←

14:10:51 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi ←

14:11:04 <Ashok> SteveS:  Arnaud has split some complex into into several simpler issues

Steve Speicher: Arnaud has split some complex into into several simpler issues ←

<Ashok> subtopic: Actions

2.1. Actions

14:11:46 <Ashok> Action-56 ... editorial changes for Action-59

ACTION-56 ... editorial changes for ACTION-59 ←

14:11:53 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←

14:11:56 <bblfish> action-56?

Henry Story: ACTION-56? ←

14:11:56 <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Remove aggregate/composite containers and leave just 1 -- due 2013-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-56 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Remove aggregate/composite containers and leave just 1 -- due 2013-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←

14:11:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/56

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/56 ←

14:12:04 <Ashok> No objections

No objections ←

14:12:23 <Ashok> SteveS: There are 15 open actions, 13 are overdue

Steve Speicher: There are 15 open actions, 13 are overdue ←

14:14:18 <Ashok> No other progress on actions

No other progress on actions ←

14:14:52 <Ashok> subTopic:  Issues pending review

2.2. Issues pending review

14:14:52 <Zakim> +Kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa ←

14:14:54 <Ashok> None

None ←

14:15:05 <Ashok> subTopic: Raised issues

2.3. Raised issues

14:15:17 <Ashok> SteveS:  We have 3 raised issues

Steve Speicher: We have 3 raised issues ←

14:15:28 <JohnArwe> zakim, issue-62?

John Arwe: zakim, ISSUE-62? ←

14:15:28 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, JohnArwe.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, JohnArwe. ←

14:15:31 <Ashok> subsubtopic: ISSUE-62
2.3.1. ISSUE-62
14:15:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised ←

14:15:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62 ←

14:15:33 <nmihindu> ISSUE-62?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ISSUE-62? ←

14:15:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised ←

14:15:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62 ←

14:16:25 <Ashok> Roger explains issue

Roger explains issue ←

14:17:22 <Arnaud> ISSUE-62 needs a better name

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-62 needs a better name ←

14:17:35 <Ashok> SteveS:  Can we change name to make intent more explicit

Steve Speicher: Can we change name to make intent more explicit ←

14:17:36 <Arnaud> Roger called that child containers before

Arnaud Le Hors: Roger called that child containers before ←

14:18:43 <Arnaud> we should at least be consistent

Arnaud Le Hors: we should at least be consistent ←

14:19:12 <bblfish> yes it can be edited in the interface

Henry Story: yes it can be edited in the interface ←

14:19:14 <SteveS> suggest naming it "Creating containers associated with LDRs"

Steve Speicher: suggest naming it "Creating containers associated with LDPRs" ←

14:19:30 <Ashok> Roger:  That's good!

Roger Menday: That's good! ←

14:19:43 <rgarcia> s/LDRs/LDPRs/
14:19:45 <Zakim> -cody

Zakim IRC Bot: -cody ←

14:19:52 <bblfish> Ah, ok. So the idea is you have an LDR and you want to create a container for it?

Henry Story: Ah, ok. So the idea is you have an LDR and you want to create a container for it? ←

14:20:40 <SteveS> idea was I have a NetWorth resource, I have no assets or assetContainer, how do I bring one into existence?

Steve Speicher: idea was I have a NetWorth resource, I have no assets or assetContainer, how do I bring one into existence? ←

14:20:41 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

14:20:42 <JohnArwe> yes Henry: given an LDPR, which has n containers "associated with" it, how do you add n+1st

John Arwe: yes Henry: given an LDPR, which has n containers "associated with" it, how do you add n+1st ←

14:21:21 <JohnArwe> ...when the LDPR is not itself necessarily an LDP*C*

John Arwe: ...when the LDPR is not itself necessarily an LDP*C* ←

14:21:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←

14:22:28 <Ashok> bblfish:  This continues the confusion with membership predicate

Henry Story: This continues the confusion with membership predicate ←

14:22:51 <JohnArwe> Henry do we have an open issue already on membership predicate?

John Arwe: Henry do we have an open issue already on membership predicate? ←

14:23:11 <roger> yes, I can have a go at re-editing the text

Roger Menday: yes, I can have a go at re-editing the text ←

14:23:15 <Ashok> bblfish:  We should change the text also

Henry Story: We should change the text also ←

14:24:05 <svillata> q?

Serena Villata: q? ←

14:24:30 <Ashok> bblfish: Let's close it and raise new issue

Henry Story: Let's close it and raise new issue ←

14:24:35 <bblfish> ok

Henry Story: ok ←

14:24:40 <bblfish> sounds good

Henry Story: sounds good ←

14:24:49 <Ashok> Roger:  I can edit the text and we can consider it next week

Roger Menday: I can edit the text and we can consider it next week ←

14:24:49 <Ashok> subsubTopic: ISSUE-63
2.3.2. ISSUE-63
14:25:02 <bblfish> Issue-63?

Henry Story: ISSUE-63? ←

14:25:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised ←

14:25:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63 ←

14:25:05 <Ashok> ISSUE-63

ISSUE-63 ←

14:25:05 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised ←

14:25:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63 ←

14:26:30 <TallTed> +1 open

Ted Thibodeau: +1 open ←

14:26:34 <Ashok> SteveS explains issue

SteveS explains issue ←

14:26:50 <Ashok> No objections to opening issue-63

No objections to opening ISSUE-63 ←

<Ashok> Resolved: Open ISSUE-63

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-63 ←

14:26:50 <Ashok> subsubTopic: ISSUE-69
2.3.3. ISSUE-69
14:27:11 <bblfish> Issue-69

Henry Story: ISSUE-69 ←

14:27:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-69 -- Query syntaxes for accessing the first and subsequent pages -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-69 -- Query syntaxes for accessing the first and subsequent pages -- raised ←

14:27:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/69

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/69 ←

14:27:55 <Ashok> SteveS: Originally stared by Steve Battle

Steve Speicher: Originally stared by Steve Battle ←

14:28:18 <Ashok> SteveS explains issue

SteveS explains issue ←

14:28:36 <bblfish> ok, sounds good

Henry Story: ok, sounds good ←

14:29:05 <Ashok> No objection to opening ISSUE-69

No objection to opening ISSUE-69 ←

<Ashok> Resolved: Open ISSUE-69

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-69 ←

14:29:20 <Ashok> Topic:  Test Suite

3. Test Suite

14:29:22 <SteveS> ericP, you going to be available soon?

Steve Speicher: ericP, you going to be available soon? ←

14:29:37 <Ashok> Waiting for EricP

Waiting for EricP ←

14:29:40 <SteveS> Test Suite information : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html

Steve Speicher: Test Suite information : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html ←

14:30:13 <Ashok> Topic:  Open Issues

4. Open Issues

14:30:21 <Ashok> subTopic: ISSUE-58

4.1. ISSUE-58

14:30:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-58 -- Property for asserting that complete description of members is included in LDPC representation -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-58 -- Property for asserting that complete description of members is included in LDPC representation -- open ←

14:30:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/58

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/58 ←

14:30:45 <SteveS> Proposal from Arnaud see option B http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html

Steve Speicher: Proposal from Arnaud see option B http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html ←

14:30:56 <Ashok> SteveS:  We took a straw poll on this last week

Steve Speicher: We took a straw poll on this last week ←

14:31:27 <SteveS> Proposal: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the ←

14:31:28 <SteveS> members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document.

Steve Speicher: members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document. ←

14:31:45 <Ashok>  Option B:  Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the  members for which a complete description is inlined in the container  document.

Option B: Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document. ←

14:32:14 <TallTed> I suggest changing "indicates" to "enumerates" or "lists" ... and then +1

Ted Thibodeau: I suggest changing "indicates" to "enumerates" or "lists" ... and then +1 ←

14:32:47 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

14:32:51 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q ←

14:33:05 <rgarcia> Agree with TallTed, not clear whether the ldp:memberInlined property is for one resource or for a list of them

Raúl García Castro: Agree with TallTed, not clear whether the ldp:memberInlined property is for one resource or for a list of them ←

14:33:11 <roger> zakim, i am [IPcaller]

Roger Menday: zakim, i am [IPcaller] ←

14:33:11 <Zakim> ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller] ←

14:33:31 <krp> zakim, ??P27 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P27 is me ←

14:33:31 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←

14:34:10 <Ashok> bblfish:  Why not just one resource that is "inlined"?

Henry Story: Why not just one resource that is "inlined"? ←

14:34:25 <bblfish> <> ldp:memberInlined <member1>, <member2>, <member3>

Henry Story: <> ldp:memberInlined <member1>, <member2>, <member3> ←

14:34:32 <JohnArwe> raul: members (plural) in the email

Raúl García Castro: members (plural) in the email [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←

14:34:55 <JohnArwe> henry: if you have access to browser, Arnaud's email does have proposed turtle for each option

Henry Story: if you have access to browser, Arnaud's email does have proposed turtle for each option [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←

14:34:56 <nmihindu> There is an example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: There is an example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html ←

14:35:02 <rgarcia> JohnArwe: in the email and in the proposal it is in singular

John Arwe: in the email and in the proposal it is in singular [ Scribe Assist by Raúl García Castro ] ←

14:35:07 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←

14:35:07 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←

14:35:31 <Ashok> TallTed: "Indicates" is unclear. Please reword.

Ted Thibodeau: "Indicates" is unclear. Please reword. ←

14:35:42 <roger> so, ldp:memberfullyinlined ?

Roger Menday: so, ldp:memberfullyinlined ? ←

14:35:43 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←

14:35:43 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←

14:35:45 <SteveS> q?

Steve Speicher: q? ←

14:35:48 <SteveS> ack bblfish

Steve Speicher: ack bblfish ←

14:35:49 <JohnArwe> raul: from the 141 email link above:

Raúl García Castro: from the 141 email link above: [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←

14:35:51 <JohnArwe> Option B:

John Arwe: Option B: ←

14:35:51 <JohnArwe> Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document.

John Arwe: Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document. ←

14:35:52 <roger> -q

Roger Menday: -q ←

14:35:54 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q- ←

14:36:07 <JohnArwe> ...i.e. indicates the members (sic - members)

John Arwe: ...i.e. indicates the members (sic - members) ←

14:36:13 <SteveS> Zakim, [IPCaller] is roger

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IPCaller] is roger ←

14:36:13 <Zakim> +roger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it ←

14:36:18 <TallTed> Zakim, [IPcaller] is roger

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [IPcaller] is roger ←

14:36:18 <Zakim> sorry, TallTed, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TallTed, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' ←

14:36:22 <SteveS> ack [IPCaller]

Steve Speicher: ack [IPCaller] ←

14:36:33 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

14:36:53 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q- ←

14:37:02 <Ashok> Roger: It's a list not a single property

Roger Menday: It's a list not a single property ←

14:37:13 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←

14:37:13 <SteveS> Proposal: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which enumerates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which enumerates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document. ←

14:37:35 <bblfish> anyway, it makes sense to me the way it is

Henry Story: anyway, it makes sense to me the way it is ←

14:37:55 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1 ←

14:38:00 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1 ←

14:38:15 <JohnArwe> zakim, [GVoice] is ericP

John Arwe: zakim, [GVoice] is ericP ←

14:38:15 <Zakim> +ericP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it ←

14:38:21 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←

14:38:22 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q ←

14:38:23 <bblfish> Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which relates the container to LDPRs for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document.

Henry Story: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which relates the container to LDPRs for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document. ←

14:38:24 <svillata> +1

Serena Villata: +1 ←

14:38:25 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←

14:38:25 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1 ←

14:38:26 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1 ←

14:38:26 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←

14:38:53 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←

14:38:53 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←

14:38:53 <sandro> <container> ldp:memberInlined <memberURI>

Sandro Hawke: <container> ldp:memberInlined <memberURI> ←

14:38:55 <rgarcia> +0.5 (without seeing the example it is not clear if we are referring to an rdf:List or not)

Raúl García Castro: +0.5 (without seeing the example it is not clear if we are referring to an rdf:List or not) ←

14:38:59 <Arnaud> I thought we could repeat the property but it could also be a list

Arnaud Le Hors: I thought we could repeat the property but it could also be a list ←

14:39:25 <bblfish> the ldp:memberInlines is  a one to many relation

Henry Story: the ldp:memberInlines is a one to many relation ←

14:39:34 <JohnArwe> raul: the example from email 141 is

Raúl García Castro: the example from email 141 is [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←

14:39:35 <JohnArwe> <>

John Arwe: <> ←

14:39:35 <JohnArwe>    a o:NetWorth, ldp:Container;

John Arwe: a o:NetWorth, ldp:Container; ←

14:39:35 <JohnArwe>    ldp:membershipPredicate o:asset;

John Arwe: ldp:membershipPredicate o:asset; ←

14:39:35 <JohnArwe>    o:asset <a1>, <a2>;

John Arwe: o:asset <a1>, <a2>; ←

14:39:35 <JohnArwe>    ldp:memberInlined <a1>, <a2>.

John Arwe: ldp:memberInlined <a1>, <a2>. ←

14:39:36 <sandro> <#myFriendsCollection> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>.    # Not charlie

Sandro Hawke: <#myFriendsCollection> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>. # Not charlie ←

14:39:43 <Ashok> TallTed:  One triple per inlined member

Ted Thibodeau: One triple per inlined member ←

14:39:44 <ericP> -.5

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -.5 ←

14:41:10 <sandro> <> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>.    # Not charlie

Sandro Hawke: <> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>. # Not charlie ←

14:41:24 <Ashok> bblfish:  Objects to use of # urls

Henry Story: Objects to use of # urls ←

14:41:28 <sandro> ... means All the triples I know that involved #alice are in this document.

Sandro Hawke: ... means All the triples I know that involved #alice are in this document. ←

14:41:47 <pchampin> wondering what happens when the container is paginated

Pierre-Antoine Champin: wondering what happens when the container is paginated ←

14:41:50 <Ashok> Eric:  The # urls should be : Urls

Ted Thibodeau: The # urls should be : Urls ←

14:42:01 <TallTed> s/Eric:/TallTed:/
14:42:04 <sandro> But not "must".    Hash URIs are fine for this.

Sandro Hawke: But not "must". Hash URIs are fine for this. ←

14:42:18 <SteveS> pchampin, a difference I was thinking it might be a property of a ldp:Page in that case

Steve Speicher: pchampin, a difference I was thinking it might be a property of a ldp:Page in that case ←

14:42:39 <pchampin> yes, I think that would be wise

Pierre-Antoine Champin: yes, I think that would be wise ←

14:42:58 <pchampin> in fact, I would prefer that it was always a property of ldp:Page

Pierre-Antoine Champin: in fact, I would prefer that it was always a property of ldp:Page ←

14:43:05 <pchampin> even if the container is described by a single ldp:Page

Pierre-Antoine Champin: even if the container is described by a single ldp:Page ←

14:43:07 <ericP> <alice> { <sa> <pa> <oa> . } <container> { <> ldp:memberInlined <alice> . }

Eric Prud'hommeaux: <alice> { <sa> <pa> <oa> . } <container> { <> ldp:memberInlined <alice> . } ←

14:43:14 <Ashok> q+

q+ ←

14:44:13 <Ashok> Eric:  Wonders if it's a all or none property

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Wonders if it's a all or none property ←

14:44:26 <sandro> but if you're including all the triples, one more is okay.

Sandro Hawke: but if you're including all the triples, one more is okay. ←

14:45:46 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←

14:45:46 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed ←

14:45:55 <TallTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←

14:46:09 <Ashok> Eric:  LDP data will be mainly homogeneous

Eric Prud'hommeaux: LDP data will be mainly homogeneous ←

14:46:13 <SteveS> ack roger

Steve Speicher: ack roger ←

14:46:13 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

14:46:17 <nmihindu> ericP, It is like option A in the proposals ?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ericP, It is like option A in the proposals ? ←

14:46:40 <Ashok> Roger:  Disagrees if LDP is really rectangular data

Roger Menday: Disagrees if LDP is really rectangular data ←

14:46:55 <SteveS> nmihindu, is what I understand ericP is saying

Steve Speicher: nmihindu, is what I understand ericP is saying ←

14:47:04 <ericP> nmihindu, iirc, there is a proposal with a global predicate to indicate exhaustively inlined members. that may be A

Eric Prud'hommeaux: nmihindu, iirc, there is a proposal with a global predicate to indicate exhaustively inlined members. that may be A ←

14:47:09 <bblfish> I have a better solution guys

Henry Story: I have a better solution guys ←

14:47:21 <SteveS> q?

Steve Speicher: q? ←

14:47:25 <SteveS> ack Ashok

Steve Speicher: ack Ashok ←

14:48:10 <bblfish> Ashok give me a second

Henry Story: Ashok give me a second ←

14:48:29 <SteveS> ack TallTed

Steve Speicher: ack TallTed ←

14:48:30 <bblfish> I'll argue for something that solves both those issues simultaneoulsy

Henry Story: I'll argue for something that solves both those issues simultaneoulsy ←

14:48:35 <Ashok> ... we can make it more general

... we can make it more general ←

14:48:51 <ericP> q+ to say that when we see the situation for which the enumeration is appropriate, we can add it

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to say that when we see the situation for which the enumeration is appropriate, we can add it ←

14:49:04 <Ashok> Ashok:  How about also a single boolean property that all members are inled

Ashok Malhotra: How about also a single boolean property that all members are inlined ←

14:49:14 <Ashok> s/inled/inlined/
14:49:31 <Ashok> Ted:  Argues for both properties

Ted Thibodeau: Argues for both properties ←

14:49:38 <SteveS> ack bblfish

Steve Speicher: ack bblfish ←

14:50:11 <bblfish> <> member [ title "hello world",... ]

Henry Story: <> member [ title "hello world",... ] ←

14:50:14 <Ashok> Henry:  We don't need either property

Henry Story: We don't need either property ←

14:50:31 <bblfish> <> member [ title "hello world",...  owl:sameAs <member> ]

Henry Story: <> member [ title "hello world",... owl:sameAs <member> ] ←

14:50:33 <Ashok> ... use a blank node as above

... use a blank node as above ←

14:51:00 <ericP> the bnode is cool for this purpose 'cause in fact one could not dereference it, but i suspect that a lot of our infrastructure depends on dereference

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the bnode is cool for this purpose 'cause in fact one could not dereference it, but i suspect that a lot of our infrastructure depends on dereference ←

14:51:15 <pchampin> @bblfish: this has the same problem as ldp:hasInlinedMember: adds an extra triple (owl:sameAs)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: @bblfish: this has the same problem as ldp:hasInlinedMember: adds an extra triple (owl:sameAs) ←

14:51:28 <pchampin> ... and makes things cumbersome for non-OWL-enabled clients

Pierre-Antoine Champin: ... and makes things cumbersome for non-OWL-enabled clients ←

14:53:20 <Ashok> Henry:  sameAs is widely used

Henry Story: sameAs is widely used ←

14:53:26 <JohnArwe> ericp: we GA'd an integration component 2 months ago (where we think LDP fits nicely) that is a single heterogeneous collection of all (for some definition of all) IT resources in an enterprise.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we shipped an integration component 2 months ago (where we think LDP fits nicely) that is a single heterogeneous collection of all (for some definition of all) IT resources in an enterprise. [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←

14:53:44 <ericP> 'GA'?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 'GA'? ←

14:54:07 <SteveS> s/GA'd/shipped/
14:54:11 <JohnArwe> generally available ... i.e. we're allowed to talk about it w/o lawyers, and you can "buy" it

John Arwe: generally available ... i.e. we're allowed to talk about it w/o lawyers, and you can "buy" it ←

14:54:50 <ericP> JohnArwe, ok, so that's a case for option B

Eric Prud'hommeaux: JohnArwe, ok, so that's a case for option B ←

14:55:03 <Ashok> SteveS:  How should we proceed

Steve Speicher: How should we proceed ←

14:55:31 <Ashok> Ted:  We have options E and F.  E is both properties, F is Henry's new proposal

Ted Thibodeau: We have options E and F. E is both properties, F is Henry's new proposal ←

14:55:33 <bblfish> I'll write up my proposal

Henry Story: I'll write up my proposal ←

14:55:39 <bblfish> and send to the list.

Henry Story: and send to the list. ←

14:55:43 <ericP> +1 to A, я and X but never Q

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to A, я and X but never Q ←

14:56:07 <Ashok> Topic:  Test Suite (continue)

5. Test Suite (continue)

14:56:08 <SteveS> Test Case first draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html

Steve Speicher: Test Case first draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html ←

14:57:28 <Ashok> Raul: 3 topics ..,design of test, how to run tests and how test are described

Raúl García Castro: 3 topics ..,design of test, how to run tests and how test are described ←

14:58:00 <Ashok> ... I have some issues I will send to mailing list

... I have some issues I will send to mailing list ←

14:58:49 <Ashok> Raul describes how test suite would work

Raul describes how test suite would work ←

15:00:08 <cody> q+

Cody Burleson: q+ ←

15:00:38 <ericP> q-

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←

15:00:51 <SteveS> ack cody

Steve Speicher: ack cody ←

15:01:07 <Ashok> Raul:  If we only have tests for the MUST statements, we will have very few test.  Need to think about how to test optional statements

Raúl García Castro: If we only have tests for the MUST statements, we will have very few test. Need to think about how to test optional statements ←

15:01:52 <Ashok> Cody:  What is purposee of test suite?   Why don't implementers write their own tests?

Cody Burleson: What is purposee of test suite? Why don't implementers write their own tests? ←

15:02:04 <Ashok> ... need an introduction

... need an introduction ←

15:02:19 <JohnArwe> cody: one use we've discussed previously for the test suite is to form proposals for change in them, as a way to agree on the DESRIED result of a given set of inputs and interactions.

Cody Burleson: one use we've discussed previously for the test suite is to form proposals for change in them, as a way to agree on the DESRIED result of a given set of inputs and interactions. [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←

15:02:38 <JohnArwe> interop testing is the big kahuna though

John Arwe: interop testing is the big kahuna though ←

15:02:46 <Ashok> Eric:  From a process perspective we need to say we have 2 or more implementations.  Also need that for outreach.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: From a process perspective we need to say we have 2 or more implementations. Also need that for outreach. ←

15:02:58 <SteveS> thanks all, if you need to drop understand…just want to continue discussion as some of us having been able to sync up on this

Steve Speicher: thanks all, if you need to drop understand…just want to continue discussion as some of us having not been able to sync up on this ←

15:03:09 <Zakim> -roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -roger ←

15:03:22 <SteveS> s/been able/not been able/
15:03:57 <bblfish> very good answer :-)

Henry Story: very good answer :-) ←

15:04:04 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+ ←

15:04:07 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←

15:04:07 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←

15:04:12 <Ashok> Eric:  The implementations must be able to say they pass they test to say they are conforming implementations

Eric Prud'hommeaux: The implementations must be able to say the pass the test to say the are conforming implementations ←

15:04:17 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←

15:04:24 <Ashok> s/they/the/
15:04:53 <SteveS> q?

Steve Speicher: q? ←

15:05:44 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←

15:05:56 <SteveS> ack sandro

Steve Speicher: ack sandro ←

15:06:45 <Ashok> Sandro:  Rather than implementations saying whether they pass or fail, this approach says they just send us the output.  This is a new approach

Sandro Hawke: Rather than implementations saying whether they pass or fail, this approach says they just send us the output. This is a new approach ←

15:08:44 <Ashok> Discussion about implementation should report output rather than just pass/fail

Discussion about implementation should report output rather than just pass/fail ←

15:09:06 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←

15:09:21 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1 ←

15:09:38 <Ashok> SteveS:  Let's adjourn but we can have a discussion

Steve Speicher: Let's adjourn but we can have a discussion ←

15:09:46 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata ←

15:09:46 <ericP> ADJOURNED

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ADJOURNED ←

15:09:55 <bblfish> Steve attempting a speec acts for closing the session

Henry Story: Steve attempting a speech acts for closing the session ←

15:10:05 <bblfish> s/speec/speech/
15:10:19 <bblfish> :-)

Henry Story: :-) ←

15:12:33 <rgarcia> q+

Raúl García Castro: q+ ←

15:12:57 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

15:14:12 <SteveS> ack rgarcia

Steve Speicher: ack rgarcia ←

15:14:40 <SteveS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9

Steve Speicher: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9 ←

15:14:53 <ericP> -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9 POST an LDPR on an LDPC

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9 POST an LDPR on an LDPC ←

15:15:56 <SteveS> ack bblfish

Steve Speicher: ack bblfish ←

15:16:23 <SteveS> bblfish: is saying there is also some issue with access control, meaning can then create and delete

Henry Story: is saying there is also some issue with access control, meaning can then create and delete [ Scribe Assist by Steve Speicher ] ←

15:17:32 <SteveS> ericP: for now, we just tell them to make sure the user creds they use have appropriate rights do the operations of the test

Eric Prud'hommeaux: for now, we just tell them to make sure the user creds they use have appropriate rights do the operations of the test [ Scribe Assist by Steve Speicher ] ←

15:17:37 <bblfish> true

Henry Story: true ←

15:18:08 <bblfish> ok so SPARQL tests also have update problems which could involve access control

Henry Story: ok so SPARQL tests also have update problems which could involve access control ←

15:21:40 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←

15:25:16 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

15:25:18 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←

15:25:18 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←

15:25:22 <Zakim> -rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia ←

15:25:25 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←

15:25:28 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←

15:25:29 <Zakim> -Kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: -Kalpa ←

15:30:29 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, bblfish, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, bblfish, in SW_LDP()10:00AM ←

15:30:31 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←

15:30:31 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveS, cody, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, JohnArwe, rgarcia, nmihindu, Sandro, bblfish, Kalpa, krp, roger, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SteveS, cody, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, JohnArwe, rgarcia, nmihindu, Sandro, bblfish, Kalpa, krp, roger, ericP ←



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