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13:55:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:55:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:55:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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13:55:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:55:25 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2013
13:57:38 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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13:57:45 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
13:57:52 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me ←
13:57:52 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
13:57:58 <SteveS> Chair: SteveS
13:58:03 <SteveS> Regrets: Arnaud
<steves> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.13
13:59:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:59:50 <cody> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:59:50 <Zakim> +cody; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cody; got it ←
14:00:12 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink] ←
14:00:26 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←
14:00:26 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
14:00:28 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:28 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:00:33 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:00:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted) ←
14:00:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, thschee
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, thschee ←
14:00:49 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:00:51 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
14:01:12 <svillata> Zakim, ??P7 is me
Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P7 is me ←
14:01:13 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←
14:01:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:01:38 <ericP> SteveS, i'll be 30 mins late. will you still be talking about tests then?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SteveS, i'll be 30 mins late. will you still be talking about tests then? ←
14:02:02 <SteveS> ericP, maybe…I could shuffle the order to make sure it comes in 29+ minutes
Steve Speicher: ericP, maybe…I could shuffle the order to make sure it comes in 29+ minutes ←
14:02:07 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe ←
14:02:16 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
14:02:26 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P14 is me
Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
14:02:26 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it ←
14:02:31 <SteveS> Zakim, who's here?
Steve Speicher: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, [IPcaller], JohnArwe, rgarcia
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveS, cody, TallTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, [IPcaller], JohnArwe, rgarcia ←
14:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmihindu, rgarcia, roger, cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nmihindu, rgarcia, roger, cody, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, bhyland, TallTed, SteveS, oberger, jmvanel, betehess, cygri, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, ←
14:02:33 <Zakim> ... thschee
Zakim IRC Bot: ... thschee ←
14:03:34 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←
14:03:35 <Zakim> -[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[GVoice] ←
14:03:46 <roger> zakim, i am [IPcaller]
Roger Menday: zakim, i am [IPcaller] ←
14:03:46 <Zakim> ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller] ←
14:03:54 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
14:04:25 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P21 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P21 is me ←
14:04:25 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:05:50 <Arnaud> Arnaud has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.13
Arnaud Le Hors: Arnaud has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.05.13 ←
14:05:55 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok
(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)
14:06:12 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
<Ashok> Topic: Admin
14:06:19 <Ashok> subTopic: Minutes from May 6 telcon
14:07:00 <SteveS> Minutes from may 6th http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-06
Steve Speicher: Minutes from may 6th http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-06 ←
14:07:59 <Ashok> SteveS: There was some email discussion. I have cleaned up the minutes to reflect that.
Steve Speicher: There was some email discussion. I have cleaned up the minutes to reflect that. ←
14:08:14 <Ashok> Resolved: Minutes of May 6 approved without objection
RESOLVED: Minutes of May 6 approved without objection ←
14:08:27 <Ashok> subTopic: Next meeting
14:08:37 <Ashok> Same time, same place
Same time, same place ←
14:08:42 <Ashok> subTopic: F2F
14:09:00 <Ashok> 9 say they they will atend, 3 will atend remotely
9 say they they will attend, 3 will attend remotely ←
14:09:10 <Ashok> s/atend/attend/
14:09:38 <JohnArwe> Is May 20 a UK holiday? I see in Canada it's Victoria Day.
John Arwe: Is May 20 a UK holiday? I see in Canada it's Victoria Day. ←
14:09:48 <Ashok> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues
14:10:04 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
14:10:51 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
14:11:04 <Ashok> SteveS: Arnaud has split some complex into into several simpler issues
Steve Speicher: Arnaud has split some complex into into several simpler issues ←
<Ashok> subtopic: Actions
14:11:46 <Ashok> Action-56 ... editorial changes for Action-59
ACTION-56 ... editorial changes for ACTION-59 ←
14:11:53 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:11:56 <bblfish> action-56?
14:11:56 <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Remove aggregate/composite containers and leave just 1 -- due 2013-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-56 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Remove aggregate/composite containers and leave just 1 -- due 2013-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
14:11:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/56
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/56 ←
14:12:04 <Ashok> No objections
No objections ←
14:12:23 <Ashok> SteveS: There are 15 open actions, 13 are overdue
Steve Speicher: There are 15 open actions, 13 are overdue ←
14:14:18 <Ashok> No other progress on actions
No other progress on actions ←
14:14:52 <Ashok> subTopic: Issues pending review
14:14:52 <Zakim> +Kalpa
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa ←
14:14:54 <Ashok> None
None ←
14:15:05 <Ashok> subTopic: Raised issues
14:15:17 <Ashok> SteveS: We have 3 raised issues
Steve Speicher: We have 3 raised issues ←
14:15:28 <JohnArwe> zakim, issue-62?
14:15:28 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, JohnArwe.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, JohnArwe. ←
14:15:31 <Ashok> subsubtopic: ISSUE-62
14:15:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised ←
14:15:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62 ←
14:15:33 <nmihindu> ISSUE-62?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ISSUE-62? ←
14:15:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- Creating Sibling Containers -- raised ←
14:15:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62 ←
14:16:25 <Ashok> Roger explains issue
Roger explains issue ←
14:17:22 <Arnaud> ISSUE-62 needs a better name
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-62 needs a better name ←
14:17:35 <Ashok> SteveS: Can we change name to make intent more explicit
Steve Speicher: Can we change name to make intent more explicit ←
14:17:36 <Arnaud> Roger called that child containers before
Arnaud Le Hors: Roger called that child containers before ←
14:18:43 <Arnaud> we should at least be consistent
Arnaud Le Hors: we should at least be consistent ←
14:19:12 <bblfish> yes it can be edited in the interface
Henry Story: yes it can be edited in the interface ←
14:19:14 <SteveS> suggest naming it "Creating containers associated with LDRs"
Steve Speicher: suggest naming it "Creating containers associated with LDPRs" ←
14:19:30 <Ashok> Roger: That's good!
Roger Menday: That's good! ←
14:19:43 <rgarcia> s/LDRs/LDPRs/
14:19:45 <Zakim> -cody
Zakim IRC Bot: -cody ←
14:19:52 <bblfish> Ah, ok. So the idea is you have an LDR and you want to create a container for it?
Henry Story: Ah, ok. So the idea is you have an LDR and you want to create a container for it? ←
14:20:40 <SteveS> idea was I have a NetWorth resource, I have no assets or assetContainer, how do I bring one into existence?
Steve Speicher: idea was I have a NetWorth resource, I have no assets or assetContainer, how do I bring one into existence? ←
14:20:41 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:20:42 <JohnArwe> yes Henry: given an LDPR, which has n containers "associated with" it, how do you add n+1st
John Arwe: yes Henry: given an LDPR, which has n containers "associated with" it, how do you add n+1st ←
14:21:21 <JohnArwe> ...when the LDPR is not itself necessarily an LDP*C*
John Arwe: ...when the LDPR is not itself necessarily an LDP*C* ←
14:21:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
14:22:28 <Ashok> bblfish: This continues the confusion with membership predicate
Henry Story: This continues the confusion with membership predicate ←
14:22:51 <JohnArwe> Henry do we have an open issue already on membership predicate?
John Arwe: Henry do we have an open issue already on membership predicate? ←
14:23:11 <roger> yes, I can have a go at re-editing the text
Roger Menday: yes, I can have a go at re-editing the text ←
14:23:15 <Ashok> bblfish: We should change the text also
Henry Story: We should change the text also ←
14:24:05 <svillata> q?
Serena Villata: q? ←
14:24:30 <Ashok> bblfish: Let's close it and raise new issue
Henry Story: Let's close it and raise new issue ←
14:24:35 <bblfish> ok
Henry Story: ok ←
14:24:40 <bblfish> sounds good
Henry Story: sounds good ←
14:24:49 <Ashok> Roger: I can edit the text and we can consider it next week
Roger Menday: I can edit the text and we can consider it next week ←
14:24:49 <Ashok> subsubTopic: ISSUE-63
14:25:02 <bblfish> Issue-63?
14:25:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised ←
14:25:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63 ←
14:25:05 <Ashok> ISSUE-63
14:25:05 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- Need to be able to specify collation with container ordering -- raised ←
14:25:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/63 ←
14:26:30 <TallTed> +1 open
Ted Thibodeau: +1 open ←
14:26:34 <Ashok> SteveS explains issue
SteveS explains issue ←
14:26:50 <Ashok> No objections to opening issue-63
No objections to opening ISSUE-63 ←
<Ashok> Resolved: Open ISSUE-63
14:26:50 <Ashok> subsubTopic: ISSUE-69
14:27:11 <bblfish> Issue-69
14:27:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-69 -- Query syntaxes for accessing the first and subsequent pages -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-69 -- Query syntaxes for accessing the first and subsequent pages -- raised ←
14:27:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/69
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/69 ←
14:27:55 <Ashok> SteveS: Originally stared by Steve Battle
Steve Speicher: Originally stared by Steve Battle ←
14:28:18 <Ashok> SteveS explains issue
SteveS explains issue ←
14:28:36 <bblfish> ok, sounds good
Henry Story: ok, sounds good ←
14:29:05 <Ashok> No objection to opening ISSUE-69
No objection to opening ISSUE-69 ←
<Ashok> Resolved: Open ISSUE-69
14:29:20 <Ashok> Topic: Test Suite
14:29:22 <SteveS> ericP, you going to be available soon?
Steve Speicher: ericP, you going to be available soon? ←
14:29:37 <Ashok> Waiting for EricP
Waiting for EricP ←
14:29:40 <SteveS> Test Suite information : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html
Steve Speicher: Test Suite information : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html ←
14:30:13 <Ashok> Topic: Open Issues
14:30:21 <Ashok> subTopic: ISSUE-58
14:30:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-58 -- Property for asserting that complete description of members is included in LDPC representation -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-58 -- Property for asserting that complete description of members is included in LDPC representation -- open ←
14:30:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/58
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/58 ←
14:30:45 <SteveS> Proposal from Arnaud see option B http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html
Steve Speicher: Proposal from Arnaud see option B http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html ←
14:30:56 <Ashok> SteveS: We took a straw poll on this last week
Steve Speicher: We took a straw poll on this last week ←
14:31:27 <SteveS> Proposal: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the ←
14:31:28 <SteveS> members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document.
Steve Speicher: members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document. ←
14:31:45 <Ashok> Option B: Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document.
Option B: Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document. ←
14:32:14 <TallTed> I suggest changing "indicates" to "enumerates" or "lists" ... and then +1
Ted Thibodeau: I suggest changing "indicates" to "enumerates" or "lists" ... and then +1 ←
14:32:47 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:32:51 <roger> +q
Roger Menday: +q ←
14:33:05 <rgarcia> Agree with TallTed, not clear whether the ldp:memberInlined property is for one resource or for a list of them
Raúl García Castro: Agree with TallTed, not clear whether the ldp:memberInlined property is for one resource or for a list of them ←
14:33:11 <roger> zakim, i am [IPcaller]
Roger Menday: zakim, i am [IPcaller] ←
14:33:11 <Zakim> ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, roger, I now associate Roger with [IPcaller] ←
14:33:31 <krp> zakim, ??P27 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:33:31 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:34:10 <Ashok> bblfish: Why not just one resource that is "inlined"?
Henry Story: Why not just one resource that is "inlined"? ←
14:34:25 <bblfish> <> ldp:memberInlined <member1>, <member2>, <member3>
Henry Story: <> ldp:memberInlined <member1>, <member2>, <member3> ←
14:34:32 <JohnArwe> raul: members (plural) in the email
Raúl García Castro: members (plural) in the email [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:34:55 <JohnArwe> henry: if you have access to browser, Arnaud's email does have proposed turtle for each option
Henry Story: if you have access to browser, Arnaud's email does have proposed turtle for each option [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:34:56 <nmihindu> There is an example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: There is an example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0141.html ←
14:35:02 <rgarcia> JohnArwe: in the email and in the proposal it is in singular
John Arwe: in the email and in the proposal it is in singular [ Scribe Assist by Raúl García Castro ] ←
14:35:07 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:35:07 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:35:31 <Ashok> TallTed: "Indicates" is unclear. Please reword.
Ted Thibodeau: "Indicates" is unclear. Please reword. ←
14:35:42 <roger> so, ldp:memberfullyinlined ?
Roger Menday: so, ldp:memberfullyinlined ? ←
14:35:43 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:35:43 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:35:45 <SteveS> q?
Steve Speicher: q? ←
14:35:48 <SteveS> ack bblfish
Steve Speicher: ack bblfish ←
14:35:49 <JohnArwe> raul: from the 141 email link above:
Raúl García Castro: from the 141 email link above: [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:35:51 <JohnArwe> Option B:
14:35:51 <JohnArwe> Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document.
John Arwe: Add to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which indicates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container document. ←
14:35:52 <roger> -q
Roger Menday: -q ←
14:35:54 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
14:36:07 <JohnArwe> ...i.e. indicates the members (sic - members)
John Arwe: ...i.e. indicates the members (sic - members) ←
14:36:13 <SteveS> Zakim, [IPCaller] is roger
Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IPCaller] is roger ←
14:36:13 <Zakim> +roger; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it ←
14:36:18 <TallTed> Zakim, [IPcaller] is roger
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [IPcaller] is roger ←
14:36:18 <Zakim> sorry, TallTed, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TallTed, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' ←
14:36:22 <SteveS> ack [IPCaller]
Steve Speicher: ack [IPCaller] ←
14:36:33 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:36:53 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
14:37:02 <Ashok> Roger: It's a list not a single property
Roger Menday: It's a list not a single property ←
14:37:13 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←
14:37:13 <SteveS> Proposal: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which enumerates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which enumerates the members for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document. ←
14:37:35 <bblfish> anyway, it makes sense to me the way it is
Henry Story: anyway, it makes sense to me the way it is ←
14:37:55 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:38:00 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:38:15 <JohnArwe> zakim, [GVoice] is ericP
John Arwe: zakim, [GVoice] is ericP ←
14:38:15 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it ←
14:38:21 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:38:22 <roger> +q
Roger Menday: +q ←
14:38:23 <bblfish> Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which relates the container to LDPRs for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document.
Henry Story: Close ISSUE-58 by adding to ldp:Container a property ldp:memberInlined which relates the container to LDPRs for which a complete description is inlined in the container response document. ←
14:38:24 <svillata> +1
Serena Villata: +1 ←
14:38:25 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:38:25 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
14:38:26 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
14:38:26 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:38:53 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:38:53 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:38:53 <sandro> <container> ldp:memberInlined <memberURI>
Sandro Hawke: <container> ldp:memberInlined <memberURI> ←
14:38:55 <rgarcia> +0.5 (without seeing the example it is not clear if we are referring to an rdf:List or not)
Raúl García Castro: +0.5 (without seeing the example it is not clear if we are referring to an rdf:List or not) ←
14:38:59 <Arnaud> I thought we could repeat the property but it could also be a list
Arnaud Le Hors: I thought we could repeat the property but it could also be a list ←
14:39:25 <bblfish> the ldp:memberInlines is a one to many relation
Henry Story: the ldp:memberInlines is a one to many relation ←
14:39:34 <JohnArwe> raul: the example from email 141 is
Raúl García Castro: the example from email 141 is [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:39:35 <JohnArwe> <>
14:39:35 <JohnArwe> a o:NetWorth, ldp:Container;
John Arwe: a o:NetWorth, ldp:Container; ←
14:39:35 <JohnArwe> ldp:membershipPredicate o:asset;
John Arwe: ldp:membershipPredicate o:asset; ←
14:39:35 <JohnArwe> o:asset <a1>, <a2>;
John Arwe: o:asset <a1>, <a2>; ←
14:39:35 <JohnArwe> ldp:memberInlined <a1>, <a2>.
John Arwe: ldp:memberInlined <a1>, <a2>. ←
14:39:36 <sandro> <#myFriendsCollection> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>. # Not charlie
Sandro Hawke: <#myFriendsCollection> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>. # Not charlie ←
14:39:43 <Ashok> TallTed: One triple per inlined member
Ted Thibodeau: One triple per inlined member ←
14:39:44 <ericP> -.5
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -.5 ←
14:41:10 <sandro> <> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>. # Not charlie
Sandro Hawke: <> ldp:memberInlined <#alice>, <#bob>, <#david>. # Not charlie ←
14:41:24 <Ashok> bblfish: Objects to use of # urls
Henry Story: Objects to use of # urls ←
14:41:28 <sandro> ... means All the triples I know that involved #alice are in this document.
Sandro Hawke: ... means All the triples I know that involved #alice are in this document. ←
14:41:47 <pchampin> wondering what happens when the container is paginated
Pierre-Antoine Champin: wondering what happens when the container is paginated ←
14:41:50 <Ashok> Eric: The # urls should be : Urls
Ted Thibodeau: The # urls should be : Urls ←
14:42:01 <TallTed> s/Eric:/TallTed:/
14:42:04 <sandro> But not "must". Hash URIs are fine for this.
Sandro Hawke: But not "must". Hash URIs are fine for this. ←
14:42:18 <SteveS> pchampin, a difference I was thinking it might be a property of a ldp:Page in that case
Steve Speicher: pchampin, a difference I was thinking it might be a property of a ldp:Page in that case ←
14:42:39 <pchampin> yes, I think that would be wise
Pierre-Antoine Champin: yes, I think that would be wise ←
14:42:58 <pchampin> in fact, I would prefer that it was always a property of ldp:Page
Pierre-Antoine Champin: in fact, I would prefer that it was always a property of ldp:Page ←
14:43:05 <pchampin> even if the container is described by a single ldp:Page
Pierre-Antoine Champin: even if the container is described by a single ldp:Page ←
14:43:07 <ericP> <alice> { <sa> <pa> <oa> . } <container> { <> ldp:memberInlined <alice> . }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: <alice> { <sa> <pa> <oa> . } <container> { <> ldp:memberInlined <alice> . } ←
14:43:14 <Ashok> q+
q+ ←
14:44:13 <Ashok> Eric: Wonders if it's a all or none property
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Wonders if it's a all or none property ←
14:44:26 <sandro> but if you're including all the triples, one more is okay.
Sandro Hawke: but if you're including all the triples, one more is okay. ←
14:45:46 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:45:46 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed ←
14:45:55 <TallTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:46:09 <Ashok> Eric: LDP data will be mainly homogeneous
Eric Prud'hommeaux: LDP data will be mainly homogeneous ←
14:46:13 <SteveS> ack roger
Steve Speicher: ack roger ←
14:46:13 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:46:17 <nmihindu> ericP, It is like option A in the proposals ?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ericP, It is like option A in the proposals ? ←
14:46:40 <Ashok> Roger: Disagrees if LDP is really rectangular data
Roger Menday: Disagrees if LDP is really rectangular data ←
14:46:55 <SteveS> nmihindu, is what I understand ericP is saying
Steve Speicher: nmihindu, is what I understand ericP is saying ←
14:47:04 <ericP> nmihindu, iirc, there is a proposal with a global predicate to indicate exhaustively inlined members. that may be A
Eric Prud'hommeaux: nmihindu, iirc, there is a proposal with a global predicate to indicate exhaustively inlined members. that may be A ←
14:47:09 <bblfish> I have a better solution guys
Henry Story: I have a better solution guys ←
14:47:21 <SteveS> q?
Steve Speicher: q? ←
14:47:25 <SteveS> ack Ashok
Steve Speicher: ack Ashok ←
14:48:10 <bblfish> Ashok give me a second
Henry Story: Ashok give me a second ←
14:48:29 <SteveS> ack TallTed
Steve Speicher: ack TallTed ←
14:48:30 <bblfish> I'll argue for something that solves both those issues simultaneoulsy
Henry Story: I'll argue for something that solves both those issues simultaneoulsy ←
14:48:35 <Ashok> ... we can make it more general
... we can make it more general ←
14:48:51 <ericP> q+ to say that when we see the situation for which the enumeration is appropriate, we can add it
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to say that when we see the situation for which the enumeration is appropriate, we can add it ←
14:49:04 <Ashok> Ashok: How about also a single boolean property that all members are inled
Ashok Malhotra: How about also a single boolean property that all members are inlined ←
14:49:14 <Ashok> s/inled/inlined/
14:49:31 <Ashok> Ted: Argues for both properties
Ted Thibodeau: Argues for both properties ←
14:49:38 <SteveS> ack bblfish
Steve Speicher: ack bblfish ←
14:50:11 <bblfish> <> member [ title "hello world",... ]
Henry Story: <> member [ title "hello world",... ] ←
14:50:14 <Ashok> Henry: We don't need either property
Henry Story: We don't need either property ←
14:50:31 <bblfish> <> member [ title "hello world",... owl:sameAs <member> ]
Henry Story: <> member [ title "hello world",... owl:sameAs <member> ] ←
14:50:33 <Ashok> ... use a blank node as above
... use a blank node as above ←
14:51:00 <ericP> the bnode is cool for this purpose 'cause in fact one could not dereference it, but i suspect that a lot of our infrastructure depends on dereference
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the bnode is cool for this purpose 'cause in fact one could not dereference it, but i suspect that a lot of our infrastructure depends on dereference ←
14:51:15 <pchampin> @bblfish: this has the same problem as ldp:hasInlinedMember: adds an extra triple (owl:sameAs)
Pierre-Antoine Champin: @bblfish: this has the same problem as ldp:hasInlinedMember: adds an extra triple (owl:sameAs) ←
14:51:28 <pchampin> ... and makes things cumbersome for non-OWL-enabled clients
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ... and makes things cumbersome for non-OWL-enabled clients ←
14:53:20 <Ashok> Henry: sameAs is widely used
Henry Story: sameAs is widely used ←
14:53:26 <JohnArwe> ericp: we GA'd an integration component 2 months ago (where we think LDP fits nicely) that is a single heterogeneous collection of all (for some definition of all) IT resources in an enterprise.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we shipped an integration component 2 months ago (where we think LDP fits nicely) that is a single heterogeneous collection of all (for some definition of all) IT resources in an enterprise. [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:53:44 <ericP> 'GA'?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 'GA'? ←
14:54:07 <SteveS> s/GA'd/shipped/
14:54:11 <JohnArwe> generally available ... i.e. we're allowed to talk about it w/o lawyers, and you can "buy" it
John Arwe: generally available ... i.e. we're allowed to talk about it w/o lawyers, and you can "buy" it ←
14:54:50 <ericP> JohnArwe, ok, so that's a case for option B
Eric Prud'hommeaux: JohnArwe, ok, so that's a case for option B ←
14:55:03 <Ashok> SteveS: How should we proceed
Steve Speicher: How should we proceed ←
14:55:31 <Ashok> Ted: We have options E and F. E is both properties, F is Henry's new proposal
Ted Thibodeau: We have options E and F. E is both properties, F is Henry's new proposal ←
14:55:33 <bblfish> I'll write up my proposal
Henry Story: I'll write up my proposal ←
14:55:39 <bblfish> and send to the list.
Henry Story: and send to the list. ←
14:55:43 <ericP> +1 to A, я and X but never Q
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to A, я and X but never Q ←
14:56:07 <Ashok> Topic: Test Suite (continue)
14:56:08 <SteveS> Test Case first draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html
Steve Speicher: Test Case first draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html ←
14:57:28 <Ashok> Raul: 3 topics ..,design of test, how to run tests and how test are described
Raúl García Castro: 3 topics ..,design of test, how to run tests and how test are described ←
14:58:00 <Ashok> ... I have some issues I will send to mailing list
... I have some issues I will send to mailing list ←
14:58:49 <Ashok> Raul describes how test suite would work
Raul describes how test suite would work ←
15:00:08 <cody> q+
Cody Burleson: q+ ←
15:00:38 <ericP> q-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←
15:00:51 <SteveS> ack cody
Steve Speicher: ack cody ←
15:01:07 <Ashok> Raul: If we only have tests for the MUST statements, we will have very few test. Need to think about how to test optional statements
Raúl García Castro: If we only have tests for the MUST statements, we will have very few test. Need to think about how to test optional statements ←
15:01:52 <Ashok> Cody: What is purposee of test suite? Why don't implementers write their own tests?
Cody Burleson: What is purposee of test suite? Why don't implementers write their own tests? ←
15:02:04 <Ashok> ... need an introduction
... need an introduction ←
15:02:19 <JohnArwe> cody: one use we've discussed previously for the test suite is to form proposals for change in them, as a way to agree on the DESRIED result of a given set of inputs and interactions.
Cody Burleson: one use we've discussed previously for the test suite is to form proposals for change in them, as a way to agree on the DESRIED result of a given set of inputs and interactions. [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
15:02:38 <JohnArwe> interop testing is the big kahuna though
John Arwe: interop testing is the big kahuna though ←
15:02:46 <Ashok> Eric: From a process perspective we need to say we have 2 or more implementations. Also need that for outreach.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: From a process perspective we need to say we have 2 or more implementations. Also need that for outreach. ←
15:02:58 <SteveS> thanks all, if you need to drop understand…just want to continue discussion as some of us having been able to sync up on this
Steve Speicher: thanks all, if you need to drop understand…just want to continue discussion as some of us having not been able to sync up on this ←
15:03:09 <Zakim> -roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -roger ←
15:03:22 <SteveS> s/been able/not been able/
15:03:57 <bblfish> very good answer :-)
Henry Story: very good answer :-) ←
15:04:04 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:04:07 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:04:07 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:04:12 <Ashok> Eric: The implementations must be able to say they pass they test to say they are conforming implementations
Eric Prud'hommeaux: The implementations must be able to say the pass the test to say the are conforming implementations ←
15:04:17 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:04:24 <Ashok> s/they/the/
15:04:53 <SteveS> q?
Steve Speicher: q? ←
15:05:44 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:05:56 <SteveS> ack sandro
Steve Speicher: ack sandro ←
15:06:45 <Ashok> Sandro: Rather than implementations saying whether they pass or fail, this approach says they just send us the output. This is a new approach
Sandro Hawke: Rather than implementations saying whether they pass or fail, this approach says they just send us the output. This is a new approach ←
15:08:44 <Ashok> Discussion about implementation should report output rather than just pass/fail
Discussion about implementation should report output rather than just pass/fail ←
15:09:06 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
15:09:21 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:09:38 <Ashok> SteveS: Let's adjourn but we can have a discussion
Steve Speicher: Let's adjourn but we can have a discussion ←
15:09:46 <Zakim> -svillata
Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata ←
15:09:46 <ericP> ADJOURNED
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ADJOURNED ←
15:09:55 <bblfish> Steve attempting a speec acts for closing the session
Henry Story: Steve attempting a speech acts for closing the session ←
15:10:05 <bblfish> s/speec/speech/
15:10:19 <bblfish> :-)
Henry Story: :-) ←
15:12:33 <rgarcia> q+
Raúl García Castro: q+ ←
15:12:57 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:14:12 <SteveS> ack rgarcia
Steve Speicher: ack rgarcia ←
15:14:40 <SteveS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9
Steve Speicher: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9 ←
15:14:53 <ericP> -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9 POST an LDPR on an LDPC
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C9 POST an LDPR on an LDPC ←
15:15:56 <SteveS> ack bblfish
Steve Speicher: ack bblfish ←
15:16:23 <SteveS> bblfish: is saying there is also some issue with access control, meaning can then create and delete
Henry Story: is saying there is also some issue with access control, meaning can then create and delete [ Scribe Assist by Steve Speicher ] ←
15:17:32 <SteveS> ericP: for now, we just tell them to make sure the user creds they use have appropriate rights do the operations of the test
Eric Prud'hommeaux: for now, we just tell them to make sure the user creds they use have appropriate rights do the operations of the test [ Scribe Assist by Steve Speicher ] ←
15:17:37 <bblfish> true
Henry Story: true ←
15:18:08 <bblfish> ok so SPARQL tests also have update problems which could involve access control
Henry Story: ok so SPARQL tests also have update problems which could involve access control ←
15:21:40 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:25:16 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:25:18 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←
15:25:18 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:25:22 <Zakim> -rgarcia
Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia ←
15:25:25 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
15:25:28 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:25:29 <Zakim> -Kalpa
Zakim IRC Bot: -Kalpa ←
15:30:29 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, bblfish, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, bblfish, in SW_LDP()10:00AM ←
15:30:31 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:30:31 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveS, cody, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, JohnArwe, rgarcia, nmihindu, Sandro, bblfish, Kalpa, krp, roger, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SteveS, cody, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, svillata, JohnArwe, rgarcia, nmihindu, Sandro, bblfish, Kalpa, krp, roger, ericP ←
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