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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 07 January 2013

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Andrei Sambra, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Bart van Leeuwen, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Henry Story, John Arwe, Kevin Page, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
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Ruben Verborgh
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Resolutions
  1. Minutes of previous meeting accepted link
  2. next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days). link
  3. close issue 41 link
  4. open issue-42 link
  5. close issue-42, remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice link
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14:55:56 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/07-ldp-irc

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14:56:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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14:56:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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14:56:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:56:01 <trackbot> Date: 07 January 2013
14:59:22 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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14:59:29 <Zakim> +??P0

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14:59:32 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:59:35 <deiu> Zakim, ??P0 is me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P0 is me

14:59:35 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

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14:59:46 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:59:51 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:59:51 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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14:59:53 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:59:53 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

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14:59:55 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please

14:59:55 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted

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15:00:02 <Zakim> +[IBM]

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15:00:08 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:00:13 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me

15:00:14 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

15:01:15 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ - Today's agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.07

Ted Thibodeau: MacTed has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ - Today's agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.07

15:01:24 <Zakim> +SteveBattle

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15:01:31 <Zakim> + +329331aaaa

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15:01:37 <Ruben> Zakim, aaaa is me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, aaaa is me

15:01:37 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it

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15:01:38 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

15:01:44 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

15:01:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P10 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P10 is me

15:01:49 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

15:01:52 <Ashok_Malhotra> zakim, code?

Ashok Malhotra: zakim, code?

15:01:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Ashok_Malhotra

15:02:26 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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15:02:35 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe

15:02:43 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P11 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P11 is me

15:02:43 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

15:03:03 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:03:11 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

15:03:14 <Arnaud> zakim, who's here?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's here?

15:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Sandro, SteveS, Arnaud, SteveBattle, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bblfish, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Sandro, SteveS, Arnaud, SteveBattle, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe

15:03:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, nmihindu, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, bhyland, MacTed, SteveS, AndyS, betehess, stevebattle, oberger, deiu, Yves, trackbot,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, nmihindu, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, bhyland, MacTed, SteveS, AndyS, betehess, stevebattle, oberger, deiu, Yves, trackbot,

15:03:17 <Zakim> ... bblfish, gavinc, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish, gavinc, sandro, ericP

15:04:04 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves

15:04:27 <bblfish> happy new 2013

Henry Story: happy new 2013

15:04:49 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, pick a victim

15:04:49 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bblfish

15:05:23 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, pick a victim

15:05:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ruben

15:05:30 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:05:56 <krp> zakim, ??P25 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P25 is me

15:05:56 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:06:14 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

15:06:57 <Ruben> topic: Minutes of last meeting

1. Minutes of last meeting

15:07:15 <SteveS> +1 accepted Dec 17th minutes

Steve Speicher: +1 accepted Dec 17th minutes

15:07:18 <Ruben> +1

Ruben Verborgh: +1

15:07:20 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:07:20 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:07:32 <bblfish> minutes of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-17

Henry Story: minutes of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-17

15:07:35 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:08:02 <Ruben> resolved: Minutes of previous meeting accepted

RESOLVED: Minutes of previous meeting accepted

15:08:33 <Ruben> topic: Next F2F

2. Next F2F

15:08:40 <Ruben> arnaud: Boston is proposed

Arnaud Le Hors: Boston is proposed [ Scribe Assist by Ruben Verborgh ]

15:08:44 <Ruben> proposal: make this official

PROPOSED: make this official

15:09:12 <Ruben> scribe: Ruben

(Scribe set to Ruben Verborgh)

15:09:13 <Ashok_Malhotra> March 13-15 at MIT

Ashok Malhotra: March 13-15 at MIT

15:09:14 <deiu> Proposal for next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days).

Andrei Sambra: Proposal for next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days).

15:09:15 <JohnArwe> March 13-15

John Arwe: March 13-15

15:09:41 <SteveS> +1 to freezing in Boston

Steve Speicher: +1 to freezing in Boston

15:09:41 <Ruben> Erik to provide logistics

Erik to provide logistics

15:10:08 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/#venue

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/#venue

15:11:51 <Ruben> Sandro already reserved a room for this.

Sandro already reserved a room for this.

15:13:09 <sandro> ericP, I just confirmed, yes I reserved G882.

Sandro Hawke: ericP, I just confirmed, yes I reserved G882.

<Ruben> resolved: next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days).

RESOLVED: next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days).

15:12:28 <Ruben> Topic: Actions and issues

3. Actions and issues

15:12:58 <Ruben> No victory declared on open actions.

No victory declared on open actions.

15:13:37 <Ruben> Arnaud: We left Issue-5 open on purpose, as discussed last time.

Arnaud Le Hors: We left ISSUE-5 open on purpose, as discussed last time.

15:13:52 <Ruben> Who is speaking?

Who is speaking?

15:14:00 <stevebattle> Issue-41 was waiting for the OK from John Arew

Steve Battle: ISSUE-41 was waiting for the OK from John Arwe

15:14:11 <stevebattle> s/Arew/Arwe
15:14:34 <sandro> ericP, we also have 262 reserved.      Are we teleconferencing or not?

Sandro Hawke: ericP, we also have 262 reserved. Are we teleconferencing or not?

15:14:47 <Ruben> Proposal: changing 5 from pending to postponed

PROPOSED: changing 5 from pending to postponed

15:15:28 <deiu> issue-41?

Andrei Sambra: ISSUE-41?

15:15:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review

15:15:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41

15:15:28 <Ruben> Arnaud: is this issue a duplicate?

Arnaud Le Hors: is this issue a duplicate?

15:15:55 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:15:57 <stevebattle> We also added text in UC&R 4.8.2 to cover this

Steve Battle: We also added text in UC&R 4.8.2 to cover this

15:16:09 <stevebattle> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html#alternative-scenario-media-resource-attachments

Steve Battle: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html#alternative-scenario-media-resource-attachments

15:16:23 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:16:30 <krp> zakim, ??P25 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P25 is me

15:16:30 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:16:38 <Ruben> JohnArwe: fine to close the issue

John Arwe: fine to close the issue

15:16:43 <Ruben> Arnaud: let's do that

Arnaud Le Hors: let's do that

15:17:06 <Ruben>  all: No objections to closing this issue.

all: No objections to closing this issue.

15:17:34 <Ruben> Resolved: close issue 41

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-41

15:17:40 <JohnArwe> close issue-41

John Arwe: close ISSUE-41

15:17:40 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-41 Standard way to manage members with attachments.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-41 Standard way to manage members with attachments.

15:17:56 <stevebattle> raised issues?

Steve Battle: raised issues?

15:17:59 <trackbot> Sorry, JohnArwe, I don't understand 'trackbot wants dashes'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, JohnArwe, I don't understand 'trackbot wants dashes'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

<Ruben> topic: UC&R publication

4. UC&R publication

15:18:16 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

15:18:36 <Arnaud> ack steve

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steve

15:18:40 <Ruben> stevebattle: we've got 8 bad references, just need to get document in shape

Steve Battle: we've got 8 bad references, just need to get document in shape

15:18:58 <Ruben> SteveS: the bad references – a patch has been submitted

Steve Speicher: the bad references – a patch has been submitted

15:19:13 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:19:33 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:19:35 <krp> zakim, ??P25 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P25 is me

15:19:35 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:20:50 <stevebattle> Arnause - we didn't cover raised issues.

Steve Battle: Arnaud - we didn't cover raised issues.

15:20:56 <Ruben> topic: LDP specification

5. LDP specification

15:21:05 <stevebattle> s/Arnause/Arnaud/
15:21:08 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:21:22 <Ruben> JohnArwe: made some minor fixes

John Arwe: made some minor fixes

15:21:30 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:22:11 <Ruben> topic: Discussing issues

6. Discussing issues

15:22:32 <Ruben> Arnaud: ongoing discussion on aggregation versus composition

Arnaud Le Hors: ongoing discussion on aggregation versus composition

15:22:36 <Ruben> Arnaud: should we have aggregation?

Arnaud Le Hors: should we have aggregation?

15:22:49 <Ruben> Arnaud: several proposals were sent to mailing list

Arnaud Le Hors: several proposals were sent to mailing list

15:23:23 <ericP> q+ to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted

15:23:40 <Ruben> Arnaud: how many proposals do we want to consider?

Arnaud Le Hors: how many proposals do we want to consider?

15:23:46 <Arnaud> ack ericp

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp

15:23:46 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted

Zakim IRC Bot: erikP, you wanted to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted

15:23:48 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:23:51 <JohnArwe> Note that we do have a new RAISED issue, 42 about section 4.8 and its prescriptiveness

John Arwe: Note that we do have a new RAISED issue, 42 about section 4.8 and its prescriptiveness

15:24:03 <SteveS> q+ to answer that question

Steve Speicher: q+ to answer that question

15:24:17 <Ruben> arnaud: without a proposal, it's hard to say deleting is only difference

Arnaud Le Hors: without a proposal, it's hard to say deleting is only difference

15:24:57 <bblfish> My simple proposals http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0113.html

Henry Story: My simple proposals http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0113.html

15:25:13 <SteveS>  Composition: 1) resource only "lives" in one container 2) when container is deleted, so its contents 3) may (or may not) be able to move resources between containers

Steve Speicher: Composition: 1) resource only "lives" in one container 2) when container is deleted, so its contents 3) may (or may not) be able to move resources between containers

15:25:27 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:26:05 <Ruben> bblfish: suggest simple proposals

Henry Story: suggest simple proposals

15:26:10 <Ruben> bblfish: only create with container

Henry Story: only create with container

15:26:25 <Ruben> bblfish: to create anything else, just create document, do updates with PUT

Henry Story: to create anything else, just create document, do updates with PUT

15:26:32 <Ruben> bblfish: PATCH is just optimization

Henry Story: PATCH is just optimization

15:27:27 <Ruben> bblfish: to delete a link, just change the document

Henry Story: to delete a link, just change the document

15:27:28 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

15:27:28 <Zakim> SteveS, you wanted to answer that question

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveS, you wanted to answer that question

15:27:38 <Zakim> -??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P25

15:27:44 <Ruben> SteveS: difference is that a resource is a member of one container

Steve Speicher: difference is that a resource is a member of one container

15:28:01 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:28:09 <Ruben> SteveS: what's open, is ability to relocated from one container to another

Steve Speicher: what's open, is ability to relocated from one container to another

15:28:09 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me

15:28:09 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:29:05 <Ruben> SteveS: comment on Henri's proposal – if the URL you're posting to is a container, or an endpoint that can handle container or resource creation?

Steve Speicher: comment on Henri's proposal – is the URL you're posting to is a container, or an endpoint that can handle container or resource creation?

15:29:13 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

15:29:14 <Ruben> s/if/is/
15:29:38 <Ruben> bblfish: you can create "containees"

Henry Story: you can create "containees"

15:30:02 <Ruben> bblfish: to create an aggregation, you POST a document containing the information about what the elements of the container you want to create are

Henry Story: to create an aggregation, you POST a document containing the information about what the elements of the container you want to create are

15:30:27 <Ruben> bblfish: such a document is editable

Henry Story: such a document is editable

15:31:03 <Ruben> bblfish: does that make sense?

Henry Story: does that make sense?

15:31:06 <Ruben> SteveS: mostly

Steve Speicher: mostly

15:31:55 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

15:31:57 <Ruben> bblfish: let's discuss on mailing list

Henry Story: let's discuss on mailing list

15:32:16 <Ruben> steveb: I like Henri's example outline, but have some questions

Steve Battle: I like Henri's example outline, but have some questions

15:32:22 <Ruben> steveb: why weak container and not LDP container?

Steve Battle: why weak container and not LDP container?

15:32:38 <Ruben> steveb: why a fragment ID… ?

Steve Battle: why a fragment ID… ?

15:33:54 <stevebattle> stevebattle: I like the use of a :contains property for describing composition

Steve Battle: I like the use of a :contains property for describing composition [ Scribe Assist by Steve Battle ]

15:34:48 <Ruben> bblfish: you can't do a POST to create another element

Henry Story: you can't do a POST to create another element

15:35:12 <Ruben> bblfish: fragement IDs: you're not dealing with a resource, helps to make distinction

Henry Story: fragment IDs: you're not dealing with a resource, helps to make distinction

15:35:18 <Ruben> s/fragement/fragment
15:36:10 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:36:15 <stevebattle> ok I misunderstood, I thought this could be used to create resources using POST

Steve Battle: ok I misunderstood, I thought this could be used to create resources using POST

15:36:23 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:36:26 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me

15:36:26 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:36:53 <Ruben> arnaud: how many proposals do we really have?

Arnaud Le Hors: how many proposals do we really have?

15:36:55 <JohnArwe> I [also] thought Henry's proposal could be used to create resources using POST

John Arwe: I [also] thought Henry's proposal could be used to create resources using POST

15:37:08 <JohnArwe> ...but that's why I ask questions ;-)

John Arwe: ...but that's why I ask questions ;-)

15:37:10 <Ruben> Arnaud: can we group them together?

Arnaud Le Hors: can we group them together?

15:37:21 <bblfish> what was the URL for that proposal?

Henry Story: what was the URL for that proposal?

15:37:37 <Ruben> Arnaud: we should make progress towards one proposal for addition to the spec

Arnaud Le Hors: we should make progress towards one proposal for addition to the spec

15:37:39 <SteveS> I propose we open an issue for week aggregation, then hook these proposals off of that

Steve Speicher: I propose we open an issue for week aggregation, then hook these proposals off of that

15:37:51 <bblfish> was it this one http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0073.html

Henry Story: was it this one http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0073.html

15:37:52 <bblfish> ?

Henry Story: ?

15:38:09 <JohnArwe> steve speich speaking

John Arwe: steve speicher speaking

15:38:11 <Ruben> SteveS: we need an open issue

Steve Speicher: we need an open issue

15:38:16 <JohnArwe> s/speich/speicher/
15:38:20 <ericP> is it worth dividing this into facets (creates resources, accepts external resources, must|may|mustn't deleted all|created resources)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: is it worth dividing this into facets (creates resources, accepts external resources, must|may|mustn't deleted all|created resources)

15:38:27 <stevebattle> I was talking about composition???

Steve Battle: I was talking about composition???

15:38:35 <Ruben> Arnaud: can we reuse an issue for this?

Arnaud Le Hors: can we reuse an issue for this?

15:38:47 <ericP> and then characterize the proposals according to those facets

Eric Prud'hommeaux: and then characterize the proposals according to those facets

15:39:00 <JohnArwe> issues 34 and 37 appear related

John Arwe: issues 34 and 37 appear related

15:39:10 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q?

15:39:13 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:39:14 <Ruben> Arnaud: Eric started a wiki page for proposal

Arnaud Le Hors: Erik started a wiki page for proposal

15:39:26 <Arnaud> s/eric/erik/
15:39:29 <JohnArwe> s/Eric/Erik/
15:39:37 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

15:39:40 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:39:47 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to creating facets and use then to evaluate proposals

Ashok Malhotra: +1 to creating facets and use then to evaluate proposals

15:39:47 <SteveS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0118.html

Steve Speicher: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0118.html

15:39:50 <bblfish> thanks

Henry Story: thanks

15:39:57 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-37">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37

15:40:10 <stevebattle> q-

Steve Battle: q-

15:40:30 <Ruben> issue-37?

ISSUE-37?

15:40:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open

15:40:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37

15:41:48 <bblfish> issue-34?

Henry Story: ISSUE-34?

15:41:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open

15:41:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34

15:41:49 <MacTed> it's safe to create a new issue, even if there's overlap -- make note of potential overlap in writeup of new issue!

Ted Thibodeau: it's safe to create a new issue, even if there's overlap -- make note of potential overlap in writeup of new issue!

15:42:06 <MacTed> if today's can be worded clearly, just create it

Ted Thibodeau: if today's can be worded clearly, just create it

15:42:14 <Ruben> Arnaud: do we need another wiki page for aggregation proposal?

Arnaud Le Hors: do we need another wiki page for aggregation proposal?

15:42:14 <ericP> q+

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+

15:42:35 <Ruben> Arnaud: or do we use the mailing list (which seems a challenge)?

Arnaud Le Hors: or do we use the mailing list (which seems a challenge)?

15:43:23 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

15:43:46 <bblfish> I suppose I forgot to add the ISSUE-34 into the mail I sent

Henry Story: I suppose I forgot to add the ISSUE-34 into the mail I sent

15:44:05 <JohnArwe> wrt issue 34, not too late, just add in the next reply

John Arwe: wrt ISSUE-34, not too late, just add in the next reply

15:44:36 <JohnArwe> wrt your proposal henry, do you want to own yours or do you want me to take a first stab at it?

John Arwe: wrt your proposal henry, do you want to own yours or do you want me to take a first stab at it?

15:45:17 <bblfish> If you want to put it together, then I can see if I was able to explain myself clearly JohnArwe :-)

Henry Story: If you want to put it together, then I can see if I was able to explain myself clearly JohnArwe :-)

15:45:33 <SteveS> I was wondering by we needed a wiki page to track the email threads, instead of just adding emails to the issue

Steve Speicher: I was wondering by we needed a wiki page to track the email threads, instead of just adding emails to the issue

15:45:46 <JohnArwe> sure - post that next set of answers we spoke of earlier on this call Henry, and I'll try to start from there.

John Arwe: sure - post that next set of answers we spoke of earlier on this call Henry, and I'll try to start from there.

15:45:48 <Ruben> arnaud: I agree, there's a little overlap with the LDP model

Arnaud Le Hors: I agree, there's a little overlap with the LDP model

15:45:50 <SteveS> but a wiki table would be good like ericP discusses

Steve Speicher: but a wiki table would be good like ericP discusses

15:45:51 <ericP> ack me

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me

15:46:16 <Ruben> Arnaud: if John's willing to do the effort of wikifying, that's great

Arnaud Le Hors: if John's willing to do the effort of wikifying, that's great

15:46:22 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

15:46:36 <JohnArwe> I agree that the questions will themselves inform the set of facets in EricP's table that we end up with

John Arwe: I agree that the questions will themselves inform the set of facets in EricP's table that we end up with

15:46:45 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:46:48 <bblfish> JohnArwe: but just ping me when you have something basic going. Then I'll check up on it.

John Arwe: but just ping me when you have something basic going. Then I'll check up on it. [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ]

15:46:52 <Ruben> SteveS: to track proposals on 34, it's valuable to have one proposal to iterate on

Steve Speicher: to track proposals on 34, it's valuable to have one proposal to iterate on

15:46:58 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:47:02 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me

15:47:02 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:47:21 <Ruben> Arnaud: on the issue, shall we link to the wiki page?

Arnaud Le Hors: on the issue, shall we link to the wiki page?

15:47:32 <Ruben> SteveS: someone's got to update the wiki

Steve Speicher: someone's got to update the wiki

15:47:38 <Ruben> Arnaud: JohnArwe will do that

Arnaud Le Hors: JohnArwe will do that

15:48:37 <Ruben> Arnaud: we still should tag issue numbers on mails

Arnaud Le Hors: we still should tag issue numbers on mails

15:48:49 <bblfish> you can also put a link into the Issue page with a link to the wiki

Henry Story: you can also put a link into the Issue page with a link to the wiki

15:48:54 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:49:07 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:49:32 <Ruben> putting the issue number anywhere in the mail should work

putting the issue number anywhere in the mail should work

15:51:18 <JohnArwe> action: john to create wiki page for issue-34 proposals

ACTION: john to create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals

15:51:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Create wiki page for issue-34 proposals [on John Arwe - due 2013-01-14].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-35 - Create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals [on John Arwe - due 2013-01-14].

15:52:09 <Ruben> arnaud: anything else?

Arnaud Le Hors: anything else?

15:52:22 <Ruben> subtopic: Issue 42

6.1. ISSUE-42

15:52:26 <Ruben> issue-42?

ISSUE-42?

15:52:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised

15:52:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42

15:52:30 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/raised

John Arwe: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/raised

15:52:54 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

15:53:04 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

15:53:29 <Ruben> stevebattle: I was reviewing the spec and noticed in 4.8 it defines a number of properties, and says that you must use them when you can

Steve Battle: I was reviewing the spec and noticed in 4.8 it defines a number of properties, and says that you must use them when you can

15:53:57 <Ruben> stevebattle: 4.8 seems to be over-prescriptive: it may not be appropriate to use these properties in some cases

Steve Battle: 4.8 seems to be over-prescriptive: it may not be appropriate to use these properties in some cases

15:54:22 <Ruben> arnaud: somebody on the public list said it's more best practice

Arnaud Le Hors: Leigh Dodds on the public list said it's rather best practice

15:54:31 <Ruben> s/more/rather/
15:54:47 <stevebattle> s/somebody/Leigh Dodds/
<Ruben> arnaud: I think it's similar to the datatypes

Arnaud Le Hors: I think it's similar to the datatypes

15:55:06 <Ruben> arnaud: eventually, we agreed to remove them, because there would be a separate best practices document

Arnaud Le Hors: eventually, we agreed to remove them, because there would be a separate best practices document

15:55:31 <Ruben> arnaud: we should open this. any comments?

Arnaud Le Hors: we should open this. any comments?

15:55:32 <SteveS> no comments

Steve Speicher: no comments

15:55:35 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:55:36 <Ruben> proposal: open issue-42

PROPOSED: open ISSUE-42

15:55:48 <SteveS> +1 to open

Steve Speicher: +1 to open

15:55:51 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:55:52 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:55:54 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:55:59 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:56:05 <Ruben> resolved: open issue-42

RESOLVED: open ISSUE-42

15:56:19 <bblfish> what was the question?

Henry Story: what was the question?

15:56:44 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:56:48 <Yves> issue42?

Yves Lafon: ISSUE-42?

15:56:49 <Ruben> arnaud: …and let's close it directly, too.

Arnaud Le Hors: …and let's close it directly, too.

15:56:54 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

15:56:54 <Ruben> issue-42?

ISSUE-42?

15:56:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised

15:56:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42

15:57:00 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide

Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide

15:57:27 <Arnaud> proposal: remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice

PROPOSED: remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice

15:57:34 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:57:35 <stevebattle> +1 already

Steve Battle: +1 already

15:57:36 <Ruben> +1

+1

15:57:47 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:57:51 <Zakim> -??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6

15:57:57 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:57:59 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:58:09 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:58:27 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:58:29 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me

15:58:29 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:58:32 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

15:58:35 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

15:58:39 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

15:58:53 <Ruben> resolved

resolved

15:58:58 <stevebattle> It's a record!

Steve Battle: It's a record!

15:59:07 <bblfish> RESOLVED: close issue-42, remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-42, remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice

15:59:27 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

15:59:34 <Ruben> arnaud: the editor now has a pending action to remove 4.8

Arnaud Le Hors: the editor now has a pending action to remove 4.8

16:00:11 <Ruben> SteveS: Robin merged changed UC&R, just one left

Steve Speicher: Robin merged changed UC&R, just one left

16:00:35 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

16:00:38 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

16:00:40 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

16:00:42 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves

16:00:42 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben

16:00:44 <Zakim> -SteveBattle

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveBattle

16:00:44 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

16:00:46 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

16:00:48 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

16:00:50 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

16:00:53 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

16:01:35 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

16:01:46 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

16:01:47 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

16:01:47 <Zakim> Attendees were deiu, Sandro, MacTed, Arnaud, SteveS, SteveBattle, +329331aaaa, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, nmihindu, bblfish, Yves, krp, EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were deiu, Sandro, MacTed, Arnaud, SteveS, SteveBattle, +329331aaaa, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, nmihindu, bblfish, Yves, krp, EricP



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