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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 June 2012

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Bernadette Hyland, Dave Reynolds, Deirdre Lee, Fadi Maali, George Thomas, Gerald Steeman, John Erickson, Luis Bermudez, Martín Álvarez, Michael Hausenblas, Phil Archer, Richard Cyganiak, Tina Gheen, Yigal Arens
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14:00:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:00:30 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2012
14:00:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri, bhyland, danbri, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri, bhyland, danbri, sandro,

14:00:33 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

14:00:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

14:00:46 <olyerickson> zakim, I am ??p2

John Erickson: zakim, I am ??p2

14:00:46 <GeraldSteeman> zakim, i am aaaa

Gerald Steeman: zakim, i am aaaa

14:00:52 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it

14:00:55 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GeraldSteeman; got it

14:00:57 <olyerickson> mute me

John Erickson: mute me

14:00:58 <Zakim> -??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P8

14:01:15 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me

14:01:15 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.

John Erickson: zakim, mute me.

14:01:25 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas

14:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, fadmaa, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fadmaa, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:01:27 <cygri> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

14:01:32 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted

14:01:39 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

14:01:43 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P8 is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ??P8 is me

14:01:48 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

14:01:53 <olyerickson> I'll scribe

John Erickson: I'll scribe

14:01:57 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, +353 is me

14:01:58 <olyerickson> but need help

John Erickson: but need help

14:02:00 <olyerickson> at end

John Erickson: at end

14:02:07 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA2; got it

14:02:11 <olyerickson> scribe: olyerickson

(Scribe set to John Erickson)

14:02:14 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it

14:02:17 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

14:02:19 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me

14:02:27 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted

14:02:37 <olyerickson> others can help

others can help

14:02:45 <olyerickson> Topic; New Members?

Topic; New Members?

14:02:51 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.267.481.aacc

14:02:55 <deirdrelee> will brush up on scribing etiquette and will volunteer next time :)

Deirdre Lee: will brush up on scribing etiquette and will volunteer next time :)

14:02:55 <olyerickson> No new members

No new members

14:03:02 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

14:03:07 <olyerickson> Topic: Minutes from previous meeting

1. Minutes from previous meeting

14:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds, +1.267.481.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds, +1.267.481.aacc

14:03:18 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri

14:03:32 <luisBermudez> aacc is me

Luis Bermudez: aacc is me

14:03:32 <PhilA2> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-06-21 last week's minutes

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-06-21 last week's minutes

14:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez_, luisBermudez, martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinAlvarez_, luisBermudez, martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri,

14:03:41 <olyerickson> sorry

sorry

14:03:42 <Zakim> ... bhyland, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bhyland, sandro, trackbot

14:03:48 <olyerickson> Minutes accepted

Minutes accepted

14:04:03 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

14:04:03 <olyerickson> Topic: Dedicated PROV Call?

2. Dedicated PROV Call?

14:04:05 <PhilA2> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:04:16 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

14:04:25 <olyerickson> George: Good or bad idea?

George Thomas: Good or bad idea?

14:04:30 <olyerickson> +1

+1

14:04:35 <bhyland> ack bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland

14:04:49 <olyerickson> Many +1 to PROV engagement

Many +1 to PROV engagement

14:05:19 <olyerickson> bhyland: Most important group we liaze with, well-spent time to have PROV rep

Bernadette Hyland: Most important group we liaze with, well-spent time to have PROV rep

14:05:35 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

14:05:46 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, ??P25 is martinAlvarez

Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??P25 is martinAlvarez

14:05:46 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez; got it

14:05:48 <Zakim> + +1.617.642.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.642.aadd

14:05:49 <olyerickson> george: will work with bhyland to engage with PROV and get overview for upcoming call

George Thomas: will work with bhyland to engage with PROV and get overview for upcoming call

14:05:51 <PhilA2> action: George to invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings

ACTION: George to invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings

14:05:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings [on George Thomas - due 2012-07-05].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-72 - Invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings [on George Thomas - due 2012-07-05].

14:05:55 <George> zakim, who is on the call?

George Thomas: zakim, who is on the call?

14:05:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), +1.267.481.aacc, martinAlvarez,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), +1.267.481.aacc, martinAlvarez,

14:05:59 <Zakim> ... +1.617.642.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.617.642.aadd

14:05:59 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri

14:06:07 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, mute me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me

14:06:07 <Zakim> sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:06:17 <olyerickson> Topic: Verifying dial-in numbers...

3. Verifying dial-in numbers...

14:06:57 <PhilA2> zakim, aacc is luisBermudez

Phil Archer: zakim, aacc is luisBermudez

14:06:57 <Zakim> +luisBermudez; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +luisBermudez; got it

14:06:58 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

14:07:00 <George> zakim, who is on the call?

George Thomas: zakim, who is on the call?

14:07:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), luisBermudez, martinAlvarez,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), luisBermudez, martinAlvarez,

14:07:01 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, martinAlvarez_ is martinAlvarez

Martín Álvarez: zakim, martinAlvarez_ is martinAlvarez

14:07:04 <Zakim> ... +1.617.642.aadd, [LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.617.642.aadd, [LC]

14:07:04 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri

14:07:04 <Zakim> sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not recognize a party named 'martinAlvarez_'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not recognize a party named 'martinAlvarez_'

14:07:07 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me

14:07:07 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tinagheen; got it

14:07:38 <bhyland> agenda+ schedule for summer meeting george please, end of call?

Bernadette Hyland: agenda+ schedule for summer meeting george please, end of call?

14:07:41 <olyerickson> Topic: PhilA introduces ISA Update

4. PhilA introduces ISA Update

14:08:00 <deirdrelee> Zakim, ??P11 is me

Deirdre Lee: Zakim, ??P11 is me

14:08:00 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it

14:09:37 <deirdrelee> will do

Deirdre Lee: will do

14:09:42 <olyerickson> PhilA: Introduction of ????

Phil Archer: Introduction of ????

14:09:53 <PhilA2> -> http://www.w3.org/ns/adms ADMNA NS doc

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/ns/adms ADMS NS doc

14:10:02 <PhilA2> s/ADMNA/ADMS/
14:10:16 <cygri> this is vassilios: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/vassilios-peristeras/2/722/911

Richard Cyganiak: this is vassilios: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/vassilios-peristeras/2/722/911

14:10:30 <olyerickson> PhilA: ADMS: Asset Description Metadata Specification

Phil Archer: ADMS: Asset Description Metadata Specification

14:10:46 <olyerickson> * Upcoming doc that GLD will be asked to take on

* Upcoming doc that GLD will be asked to take on

14:10:50 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/ADMS_Specification_v1.00.pdf ADMS spec

Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/ADMS_Specification_v1.00.pdf ADMS spec

14:11:23 <olyerickson> * Lengthy doc (above) is complete

* Lengthy doc (above) is complete

14:11:39 <olyerickson> * PhilA aims to create more W3S-like version/summary of doc

* PhilA aims to create more W3S-like version/summary of doc

14:12:04 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:12:32 <olyerickson> * ADMS has its own controlled vocab for status of things...W3C GLD will not take on ISA terminology

* ADMS has its own controlled vocab for status of things...W3C GLD will not take on ISA terminology

14:12:57 <olyerickson> * Doesn't want to take controlled vocab issue on now, but GLD must deal with in future

* Doesn't want to take controlled vocab issue on now, but GLD must deal with in future

14:13:26 <olyerickson> * PhilA plan: create version that is closer to W3C norm, then GLD can take up discussion

* PhilA plan: create version that is closer to W3C norm, then GLD can take up discussion

14:13:30 <PhilA2> -> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/ Official EC site

Phil Archer: -> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/ Official EC site

14:13:52 <PhilA2> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/tr2adms/ W3C notes on ADMS

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/tr2adms/ W3C notes on ADMS

14:14:35 <olyerickson> * W3C RDF description of TR space --- every working draft, last call, yada-yada

* W3C RDF description of TR space --- every working draft, last call, yada-yada

14:14:58 <olyerickson> * Other stds groups are trying to create similar offerings, having troubles

* Other stds groups are trying to create similar offerings, having troubles

14:15:02 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

14:15:04 <PhilA2> ack DaveReynolds

Phil Archer: ack DaveReynolds

14:15:29 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: Has found erros in RDF, how to submit feedback?

Dave Reynolds: Has found erros in RDF, how to submit feedback?

14:15:46 <olyerickson> * mentions specific errors as examples

* mentions specific errors as examples

14:16:04 <olyerickson> * does PhilA want comments back, and how? Grateful for feedback

* does PhilA want comments back, and how? Grateful for feedback

14:16:12 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:16:35 <George> ack bhyland

George Thomas: ack bhyland

14:17:10 <olyerickson> bhyland: PhilA take time to explain; what is the infrastructure being used? Lots of work represented/ How can others be engaged to share the burden

Bernadette Hyland: PhilA take time to explain; what is the infrastructure being used? Lots of work represented/ How can others be engaged to share the burden

14:17:47 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Two other things of note

Phil Archer: Two other things of note

14:18:02 <olyerickson> * One is ADMS

* One is ADMS

14:18:08 <olyerickson> * One is DCAT

* One is DCAT

14:18:19 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

14:18:33 <Yigal> zakim, ??p26 is me

Yigal Arens: zakim, ??p26 is me

14:18:33 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yigal; got it

14:18:34 <olyerickson> * But one is related to software ???

* But one is related to software ???

14:18:53 <olyerickson> * But software not related to core work of GLD

* But software not related to core work of GLD

14:18:56 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html RADion

Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html RADion

14:19:30 <olyerickson> * This led to recognition of common elements of ADMS, DCAT, Software: that's RADion (see link above)

* This led to recognition of common elements of ADMS, DCAT, Software: that's RADion (see link above)

14:19:42 <olyerickson> * See UML on page above

* See UML on page above

14:20:33 <olyerickson> * PhilA showed to Irina (CKAN); her comment, "that's the kind of (simplified) model we had in mind"

* PhilA showed to Irina (CKAN); her comment, "that's the kind of (simplified) model we had in mind"

14:20:44 <Zakim> -martinAlvarez

Zakim IRC Bot: -martinAlvarez

14:20:59 <olyerickson> * Should subclass the DCAT (et al) structure

* Should subclass the DCAT (et al) structure

14:21:18 <olyerickson> * See ADMS in the same light as DCAT

* See ADMS in the same light as DCAT

14:21:28 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

14:21:32 <olyerickson> * PhilA wants to pause to receive comments

* PhilA wants to pause to receive comments

14:21:35 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, ??p3 is me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p3 is me

14:21:35 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez_; got it

14:21:45 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, mute me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me

14:21:45 <Zakim> martinAlvarez_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: martinAlvarez_ should now be muted

14:21:52 <olyerickson> George: Make sure we capture proposal

George Thomas: Make sure we capture proposal

14:22:00 <PhilA2> My proposal is that ADMS is handled along with RADion and DCAT as being "all of a piece"

Phil Archer: My proposal is that ADMS is handled along with RADion and DCAT as being "all of a piece"

14:22:22 <PhilA2> i.e. the same space, same people, same thinking

Phil Archer: i.e. the same space, same people, same thinking

14:22:35 <olyerickson> George: "All of a piece?"

George Thomas: "All of a piece?"

14:22:41 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:23:10 <olyerickson> bhyland: Not sure she really understands what is being proposed

Bernadette Hyland: Not sure she really understands what is being proposed

14:23:45 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Means, thinking about everything as part of the same thing...ie those considering DCAT also take on ADMS and RADion

Phil Archer: Means, thinking about everything as part of the same thing...ie those considering DCAT also take on ADMS and RADion

14:24:08 <olyerickson> * RADion not to be seen as stand-alone

* RADion not to be seen as stand-alone

14:24:30 <bhyland> For the record: "The Repository Asset Distribution (RADion) was developed under the European Commission's http://ec.europa.eu/isa/ . This is the namespace document, generated from the associated RDF schema. Full documentation is provided in the https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/radion/description specification document itself. This includes background information, use cases, the conceptual model and full definitions for all terms used."

Bernadette Hyland: For the record: "The Repository Asset Distribution (RADion) was developed under the European Commission's http://ec.europa.eu/isa/ . This is the namespace document, generated from the associated RDF schema. Full documentation is provided in the https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/radion/description specification document itself. This includes background information, use cases, the conceptual model and full definitions for all terms used."

14:25:38 <olyerickson> * Recalls Brussels "break-out" discussion...results of that was realization that Basque, Austrians have created their own vocabs

* Recalls Brussels "break-out" discussion...results of that was realization that Basque, Austrians have created their own vocabs

14:26:00 <olyerickson> * void, DCAT don't convey all they they want/need to convey

* void, DCAT don't convey all they they want/need to convey

14:26:05 <bhyland> @PhilA, So do I get this right … RADion is a meta meta dataset description for open gov data of different linguistic sets??

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, So do I get this right … RADion is a meta meta dataset description for open gov data of different linguistic sets??

14:26:33 <olyerickson> * PhilA2 sees those also using RADion --- just a useful bit of structure

* PhilA2 sees those also using RADion --- just a useful bit of structure

14:27:01 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:27:05 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:27:23 <olyerickson> bhyland: RADion is a namespace/"placeholder' --- multiple-purpose, meta-meta

Bernadette Hyland: RADion is a namespace/"placeholder' --- multiple-purpose, meta-meta

14:27:41 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

14:27:57 <olyerickson> PhilA2: just a diagram, to be sub-classed, engineering of derivatives would be consistent

Phil Archer: just a diagram, to be sub-classed, engineering of derivatives would be consistent

14:28:00 <olyerickson> bhyland:

Bernadette Hyland:

14:28:10 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:28:16 <olyerickson> bhyland: Maybe this represents a natural evolution

Bernadette Hyland: Maybe this represents a natural evolution

14:28:29 <PhilA2> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

14:28:33 <olyerickson> (popping the queue...)

(popping the queue...)

14:29:03 <PhilA2> ack cygri

Phil Archer: ack cygri

14:29:25 <deirdrelee> Zakim, unmute me

Deirdre Lee: Zakim, unmute me

14:29:26 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee

14:29:44 <PhilA2> cygri: Note also schema.org conversation is relevant. They're looking at dataset descriptions too

Richard Cyganiak: Note also schema.org conversation is relevant. They're looking at dataset descriptions too [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:29:53 <mhausenblas> --> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets

Michael Hausenblas: --> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets

14:30:03 <PhilA2> ... we should not duplicate schema.org

Phil Archer: ... we should not duplicate schema.org

14:30:06 <George> cygri: plenty of 'upper vocabularies' to choose from - schema.org alignment as example dujour

Richard Cyganiak: plenty of 'upper vocabularies' to choose from - schema.org alignment as example dujour [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:30:08 <olyerickson> * make sure that what ever we do, is designed with schema.org considerd as well

* make sure that what ever we do, is designed with schema.org considerd as well

14:30:33 <olyerickson> * schema.org may also eventually consider such a core/high-level model

* schema.org may also eventually consider such a core/high-level model

14:30:34 <Zakim> -martinAlvarez_

Zakim IRC Bot: -martinAlvarez_

14:30:34 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

14:30:40 <olyerickson> * make sure we align

* make sure we align

14:30:40 <deirdrelee> I wanted to ask, as the vienna example is a clear use-case to justify RADion, do you have feedback from Vienna group on RADion - does it address their needs as a higher-level vocabulary?

Deirdre Lee: I wanted to ask, as the vienna example is a clear use-case to justify RADion, do you have feedback from Vienna group on RADion - does it address their needs as a higher-level vocabulary?

14:30:58 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

14:31:07 <deirdrelee> i'm having problem with skype microphone

Deirdre Lee: i'm having problem with skype microphone

14:31:23 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: thinks he gets what PhilA is saying, but how will it work in practice?

Dave Reynolds: thinks he gets what PhilA is saying, but how will it work in practice?

14:31:48 <olyerickson> * still needs to be reviewed

* still needs to be reviewed

14:32:01 <deirdrelee> i pasted question to irc

Deirdre Lee: i pasted question to irc

14:32:14 <olyerickson> * don't understand how extended radion works in practice

* don't understand how extended radion works in practice

14:32:22 <olyerickson> PhilA2: trying not to create more work

Phil Archer: trying not to create more work

14:32:32 <olyerickson> * still "up in the air"

* still "up in the air"

14:32:45 <deirdrelee> thanks

Deirdre Lee: thanks

14:33:02 <olyerickson> * in terms of process, EC-related work is "complete" and now testing against implementation

* in terms of process, EC-related work is "complete" and now testing against implementation

14:33:11 <olyerickson> * direct experience, review is critical

* direct experience, review is critical

14:33:42 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: Is simply looking for guidance on how to extend RADion

Dave Reynolds: Is simply looking for guidance on how to extend RADion

14:33:50 <deirdrelee> ok

Deirdre Lee: ok

14:33:51 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

14:34:26 <olyerickson> bhyland: Fundamental question: When we discussed ADMS ca. Dec, "we don't want to create new vocabs"

Bernadette Hyland: Fundamental question: When we discussed ADMS ca. Dec, "we don't want to create new vocabs"

14:34:38 <olyerickson> * feels like RADion is "meta ADMS"

* feels like RADion is "meta ADMS"

14:34:44 <olyerickson> * concern: adding layers of work

* concern: adding layers of work

14:35:30 <olyerickson> * Doesn't this align with Max/Andrea/PhilA's work align with schema.org work?

* Shouldn't this align with Max/Andrea/PhilA's work align with schema.org work?

14:36:09 <olyerickson> * "They" are about clear description of what/how webmasters should be doing this

* "They" are about clear description of what/how webmasters should be doing this

14:36:28 <olyerickson> * Seems like this effort should align?

* Seems like this effort should align?

14:36:56 <olyerickson> * Secondly: DCAT, etc represent big effort; won't have similar effort for remainder of ISA vocabs

* Secondly: DCAT, etc represent big effort; won't have similar effort for remainder of ISA vocabs

14:37:24 <bhyland> s/Doesn't this align/Shouldn't this align
14:37:25 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Clear that this should be aligned with schema.org; follows public-vocabs list

Phil Archer: Clear that this should be aligned with schema.org; follows public-vocabs list

14:37:41 <olyerickson> * May be that schema.org has it covered

* May be that schema.org has it covered

14:38:14 <olyerickson> * w.r.t. GLD, PhilA of large amount of work put upon small amount of people, aware of strain

* w.r.t. GLD, PhilA of large amount of work put upon small amount of people, aware of strain

14:38:33 <olyerickson> bhyland: where does RADion fit wrt rest of ISA program

Bernadette Hyland: where does RADion fit wrt rest of ISA program

14:39:53 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Notes that (a) we are trying to get more participants, and (b) there are people who want to join, esp. to participate in GLD

Phil Archer: Notes that (a) we are trying to get more participants, and (b) there are people who want to join, esp. to participate in GLD

14:40:08 <bhyland> I hear there was considerable interest by several new prospects into the GLD WG @ the Brussels conference.

Bernadette Hyland: I hear there was considerable interest by several new prospects into the GLD WG @ the Brussels conference.

14:40:22 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:40:25 <bhyland> ack bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland

14:40:31 <olyerickson> * RADion is *intended* to make things easier, but if it doesn't...

* RADion is *intended* to make things easier, but if it doesn't...

14:40:35 <Zakim> - +1.617.642.aadd

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14:41:05 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Expects more time dedicated to this in near future

Phil Archer: Expects more time dedicated to this in near future

14:41:28 <olyerickson> bhyland: Sees need for "committee" of people involved in vocabs to see if this is appropriate

Bernadette Hyland: Sees need for "committee" of people involved in vocabs to see if this is appropriate

14:41:39 <olyerickson> * esp for our target stakeholders

* esp for our target stakeholders

14:41:59 <olyerickson> George: We've gone over our allotted time for ISA-related

George Thomas: We've gone over our allotted time for ISA-related

14:42:11 <olyerickson> * time to switch to ADMS/DCAT discussion

* time to switch to ADMS/DCAT discussion

14:42:22 <olyerickson> Topic: ADMS and DCAT overview

5. ADMS and DCAT overview

14:42:38 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html Person

Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html Person

14:42:38 <olyerickson> Topic: Core Vocabularies

6. Core Vocabularies

14:42:52 <George> agree with points bhyland was making/requesting

George Thomas: agree with points bhyland was making/requesting

14:42:56 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Person Vocabulary

6.1. Person Vocabulary

14:42:58 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html Location

Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html Location

14:43:04 <olyerickson> * has had most negative attention

* has had most negative attention

14:43:30 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Location

6.2. Location

14:43:39 <olyerickson> * Lots of attention, esp. from geospatial

* Lots of attention, esp. from geospatial

14:43:54 <olyerickson> * PhilA conversations with OCG, INSPIRE, other

* PhilA conversations with OCG, INSPIRE, other

14:44:40 <olyerickson> * Upcoming call with W3C and several other geospatial stakeholders, including GeoSparql etc

* Upcoming call with W3C and several other geospatial stakeholders, including GeoSparql etc

14:44:50 <olyerickson> * how do/will these things come together

* how do/will these things come together

14:44:58 <bhyland> @DaveReynolds, @cygri, @mhausenblas … how does this work in W3C WGs where we need focused dive on whether yet-another-vocab that describes data set metadata makes sense?  If this is a natural evolution as people do real work, great, let's give it due consideration.  I personally don't have the expertise to make a call so some "committee" with people from this WG or outside, that do, may be in a better position.

Bernadette Hyland: @DaveReynolds, @cygri, @mhausenblas … how does this work in W3C WGs where we need focused dive on whether yet-another-vocab that describes data set metadata makes sense? If this is a natural evolution as people do real work, great, let's give it due consideration. I personally don't have the expertise to make a call so some "committee" with people from this WG or outside, that do, may be in a better position.

14:45:10 <olyerickson> * how will it be done? Not sure --- that's what the conversation  is about

* how will it be done? Not sure --- that's what the conversation is about

14:45:20 <olyerickson> * PhilA to report back

* PhilA to report back

14:45:25 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html Business vocab

Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html Business vocab

14:45:28 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Business Vocabulary

6.3. Business Vocabulary

14:45:43 <olyerickson> * specific use case for describing companies in registries

* specific use case for describing companies in registries

14:45:46 <PhilA2> -> http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf Open Corporates implementation http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf

Phil Archer: -> http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf Open Corporates implementation http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf

14:46:09 <olyerickson> * OpenCorporates/Chris Taggert has been involved in implementing

* OpenCorporates/Chris Taggert has been involved in implementing

14:46:29 <olyerickson> * Designed to be subclass of Org contology, not to replace

* Designed to be subclass of Org contology, not to replace

14:46:43 <olyerickson> * speaking to Belgian business registry Friday

* speaking to Belgian business registry Friday

14:46:51 <Zakim> + +49.721.aaee

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14:47:13 <PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/ns/person

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/ns/person

14:47:22 <olyerickson> Again - We are committed to taking these on, the question is *how* do we execute

Again - We are committed to taking these on, the question is *how* do we execute

14:47:47 <olyerickson> * PhilA needs GLD permission to replace "holding" docs with more permanent forms

* PhilA needs GLD permission to replace "holding" docs with more permanent forms

14:48:01 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:48:03 <olyerickson> George: Time for us to get more serious

George Thomas: Time for us to get more serious

14:48:20 <olyerickson> * Any other comments on the above?

* Any other comments on the above?

14:48:33 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me

Fadi Maali: zakim, unmute me

14:48:33 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted

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14:49:08 <DaveReynolds> Should be a formal vote

Dave Reynolds: Should be a formal vote

14:49:09 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Point of order: needs answer to his question: ok to publish those schemas?

Phil Archer: Point of order: needs answer to his question: ok to publish those schemas?

14:49:20 <bhyland> @PhilA2 - what are the ramifications of publishing all these vocabs in the w3 ns as an editor's draft??

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA2 - what are the ramifications of publishing all these vocabs in the w3 ns as an editor's draft??

14:49:25 <cygri> which ones exactly?

Richard Cyganiak: which ones exactly?

14:49:28 <DaveReynolds> I will abstain rather than object

Dave Reynolds: I will abstain rather than object

14:49:42 <bhyland> I'm not prepared to vote ...

Bernadette Hyland: I'm not prepared to vote ...

14:49:42 <PhilA2> proposal is to publish schemas for Radion, Person, Location and Besiness

Phil Archer: proposal is to publish schemas for Radion, Person, Location and Besiness

14:49:43 <olyerickson> Any objects to PhilA going forward with namespaces to core vocabs as describved?

Any objects to PhilA going forward with namespaces to core vocabs as describved?

14:49:45 <bhyland> need more info.

Bernadette Hyland: need more info.

14:49:59 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html

Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html

14:50:00 <olyerickson> Person, Location, Business core vocabularies

Person, Location, Business core vocabularies

14:50:05 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html

Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html

14:50:09 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html

Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html

14:50:12 <bhyland> I feel this is too rushed, I'm sorry

Bernadette Hyland: I feel this is too rushed, I'm sorry

14:50:14 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html

Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html

14:50:33 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Moving from "holding pages" to "official" pages

Phil Archer: Moving from "holding pages" to "official" pages

14:50:52 <deirdrelee> how would this relate to the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace?

Deirdre Lee: how would this relate to the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace?

14:51:16 <olyerickson> bhyland: What will the status be? What does it mean?

Bernadette Hyland: What will the status be? What does it mean?

14:51:30 <bhyland> No standing, just a document in the W3 website.

Bernadette Hyland: No standing, just a document in the W3 website.

14:51:38 <George> like this - http://www.w3.org/ns/adms

George Thomas: like this - http://www.w3.org/ns/adms

14:51:54 <olyerickson> PhilA2: No formal standing. Simply a document on the W3C web site (see above example for ADMS)

Phil Archer: No formal standing. Simply a document on the W3C web site (see above example for ADMS)

14:52:03 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

14:52:16 <bhyland> abstain

Bernadette Hyland: abstain

14:52:28 <olyerickson> ack cygri

ack cygri

14:52:54 <olyerickson> cygri: What have been our previous decisions on the three core vocabs?

Richard Cyganiak: What have been our previous decisions on the three core vocabs?

14:53:20 <olyerickson> * Have decisions been made about potential publication?

* Have decisions been made about potential publication?

14:54:03 <olyerickson> * Previous conversation involving GLD leaders with jeff jaffry, etc, and pattern match with GLD charter was found

* Previous conversation involving GLD leaders with jeff jaffry, etc, and pattern match with GLD charter was found

14:54:43 <olyerickson> bhyland: There was acknowledgement that this represents good work, bridge between ISA and W3C seen,

Bernadette Hyland: There was acknowledgement that this represents good work, bridge between ISA and W3C seen,

14:54:56 <olyerickson> * also recognizes that there is an ISA deadline

* also recognizes that there is an ISA deadline

14:55:21 <olyerickson> * And recognizes that GLD is becoming highly visible

* And recognizes that GLD is becoming highly visible

14:55:42 <olyerickson> * But concerned about rushing and/over over-extending GLD WG

* But concerned about rushing and/over over-extending GLD WG

14:55:56 <olyerickson> * not comfortable commenting

* not comfortable commenting

14:56:22 <olyerickson> George: None of this is new; we have followed suite with ADMS

George Thomas: None of this is new; we have followed suite with ADMS

14:56:30 <deirdrelee> @PhilA2: should the person and business core vocabularies be somehow linked (even theoretically if not at concept level) to  the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace to avoid confusion

Deirdre Lee: @PhilA2: should the person and business core vocabularies be somehow linked (even theoretically if not at concept level) to the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace to avoid confusion

14:56:40 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:56:46 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

14:56:51 <olyerickson> * yet we seem to not have concensus at this moment

* yet we seem to not have concensus at this moment

14:56:53 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

14:56:58 <olyerickson> unmute me

unmute me

14:57:31 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: retracts his abstention

Dave Reynolds: retracts his abstention

14:57:42 <olyerickson> * specific concern over Business core vocab

* specific concern over Business core vocab

14:58:10 <olyerickson> * has a definite caution that Business vocab be rigorously reviewed

* has a definite caution that Business vocab be rigorously reviewed

14:58:28 <fadmaa> zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: zakim, mute me

14:58:28 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted

14:58:54 <olyerickson> ???: Input goes into vocab design from different directions

Richard Cyganiak: Input goes into vocab design from different directions

14:59:08 <PhilA2> s/???/cygri/
14:59:16 <olyerickson> * sort-of unclear what the ownership is of these things

* sort-of unclear what the ownership is of these things

14:59:33 <olyerickson> * what is implied by the steps being taken (proposed) now

* what is implied by the steps being taken (proposed) now

14:59:36 <bhyland> cygri: Issues around process, owners for the purposes of maintenance, and W3 namespace

Richard Cyganiak: Issues around process, owners for the purposes of maintenance, and W3 namespace [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:59:55 <olyerickson> * e.g. are we thereby agreeing to publish a document based on these?

* e.g. are we thereby agreeing to publish a document based on these?

15:00:11 <olyerickson> George: These are also the questions that Bhyland had

George Thomas: These are also the questions that Bhyland had

15:00:23 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Perceived meaning vs actual meaning

Phil Archer: Perceived meaning vs actual meaning

15:00:43 <olyerickson> * There is work going on around Europe

* There is work going on around Europe

15:00:52 <olyerickson> * GLD has control

* GLD has control

15:01:07 <olyerickson> * GLD has complete right to change whatever it likes/needs to

* GLD has complete right to change whatever it likes/needs to

15:01:36 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

15:01:57 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Supposes he should get on with create docs that describe these vocabs

Phil Archer: Supposes he should get on with create docs that describe these vocabs

15:02:13 <olyerickson> cygri: Initial reaction was, oh well these look okay

Richard Cyganiak: Initial reaction was, oh well these look okay

15:02:37 <bhyland> @PhilA, what does control mean really? Makx and Andrea aren't members of this GLD.  Are you able to own this do the remaining heavy lifting?

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, what does control mean really? Makx and Andrea aren't members of this GLD. Are you able to own this do the remaining heavy lifting?

15:03:26 <PhilA2> @bhyland. Yes. Although Andrea may well be joining the group (he helped with POWDER and is in the INSPIRE team at the EC)

Phil Archer: @bhyland. Yes. Although Andrea may well be joining the group (he helped with POWDER and is in the INSPIRE team at the EC)

15:03:44 <PhilA2> cygri: Concerned about scope creep. Unconvinced that RADion is necessary or desirable

Richard Cyganiak: Concerned about scope creep. Unconvinced that RADion is necessary or desirable [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:03:48 <bhyland> cygri: not comfortable giving approval at this time to RADion.  Has concerns about scope creep.

Richard Cyganiak: not comfortable giving approval at this time to RADion. Has concerns about scope creep. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:03:49 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

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15:03:52 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

15:04:06 <PhilA2> cygri: Doesn't seem to make sense to allocated URIs

Richard Cyganiak: Doesn't seem to make sense to allocated URIs

15:04:35 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Very grateful for the comments received

Phil Archer: Very grateful for the comments received

15:04:39 <bhyland> +1 to cygri's comments.  Please don't take this to mean 'no', it means we need a bit more time to digest and have a sensible discussion on how it fits.

Bernadette Hyland: +1 to cygri's comments. Please don't take this to mean 'no', it means we need a bit more time to digest and have a sensible discussion on how it fits.

15:04:55 <PhilA2> PhilA2: And I apologise for taking up the whole meeting

Phil Archer: And I apologise for taking up the whole meeting

15:05:02 <bhyland> Please take this as a positive sign that we care & want to ensure it is 'right' as we go foward.

Bernadette Hyland: Please take this as a positive sign that we care & want to ensure it is 'right' as we go foward.

15:05:16 <PhilA2> George: No consensus reached. Look to regroup on DCAT in July

George Thomas: No consensus reached. Look to regroup on DCAT in July

15:05:32 <PhilA2> George: And to tackle Rufus and Ed Summers' input

George Thomas: And to tackle Rufus and Ed Summers' input

15:05:38 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman

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15:05:49 <PhilA2> George: Thanks PhilA2 for building the bridge with ISA

George Thomas: Thanks PhilA2 for building the bridge with ISA

15:05:56 <bhyland> @George, please highlight the July/Aug summer schedule …

Bernadette Hyland: @George, please highlight the July/Aug summer schedule …

15:06:01 <bhyland> Proposed: 2012-08-30

PROPOSED: 2012-08-30

15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-23

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-23

15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-16 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-16 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)

15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-09

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-09

15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-02 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-02 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)

15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-07-26 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Bernadette_Hyland (on holiday)

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-26 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Bernadette_Hyland (on holiday)

15:06:04 <bhyland> 2012-07-19 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-19 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)

15:06:05 <bhyland> 2012-07-12

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-12

15:06:07 <bhyland> 2012-07-05 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dave_Reynolds

Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-05 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dave_Reynolds

15:06:21 <cygri> PhilA2, I hadn't quite realized that the intention was to take RADion into GLD, so didn't really pay enough attention to it when you started talking about it. I'll have some reading about it to do now.

Richard Cyganiak: PhilA2, I hadn't quite realized that the intention was to take RADion into GLD, so didn't really pay enough attention to it when you started talking about it. I'll have some reading about it to do now.

15:11:15 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

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15:11:15 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.757.604.aaaa, davidwood, +3539149aabb, George, olyerickson, GeraldSteeman, mhausenblas, cygri, PhilA2, fadmaa, +1.267.481.aacc, DaveReynolds, martinAlvarez,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.757.604.aaaa, davidwood, +3539149aabb, George, olyerickson, GeraldSteeman, mhausenblas, cygri, PhilA2, fadmaa, +1.267.481.aacc, DaveReynolds, martinAlvarez,

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15:11:44 <PhilA2> ... rrsagent, make logs public

... rrsagent, make logs public

15:11:56 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public

15:12:12 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:12:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-gld-minutes.html PhilA2

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