Meeting Record

Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 April 2012

Agenda

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120405

Seen

Bart van Leeuwen, Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Dan Gillman, George Thomas, Ghislain Atemezing, John Erickson, Luis Bermudez, Michael Hausenblas, Michael Pendleton, Phil Archer, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen, Unknown danbri

Scribe

John Erickson

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

PROV tie-ins
Last week's minutes
Wrap up from last week's GeoLinkData Initiative ...
What to do w.r.t. geo vocabulary
HR14
Wrap-up
Agenda items for next week

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14:01:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

14:01:13 <trackbot> Date: 05 April 2012

14:01:19 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aadd

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14:02:01 <PhilA2> zakim, code?

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14:02:03 <Zakim> + +1.540.898.aaee

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14:02:07 <Zakim> +??P34

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14:02:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, me is ??p34

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14:02:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2

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14:02:37 <Zakim> sorry, BartvanLeeuwen, I do not recognize a party named 'me'

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14:02:44 <Zakim> + +3539149aaff

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14:02:53 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aagg

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14:02:55 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaff is me

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14:03:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p34 is me

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14:03:17 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it

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14:03:24 <George> trackbot, start telecon

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14:03:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:03:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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14:03:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

14:03:29 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

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14:03:29 <trackbot> Date: 05 April 2012

14:03:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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14:03:57 <Zakim> +??P44

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14:04:12 <olyerickson> Zakim, ??P44 is me.

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14:04:18 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?

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14:04:31 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

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14:04:38 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

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14:04:39 <Zakim> +??P52

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14:04:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.691.aaaa, George_Thomas, +49.721.aabb, +1.202.566.aacc, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.691.aaaa, George_Thomas, +49.721.aabb, +1.202.566.aacc, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, ←

14:04:46 <Zakim> ... ??P52

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ??P52 ←

14:04:47 <PhilA2> zakim, ??p52 is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ??p52 is me ←

14:05:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.691.aaaa, George_Thomas, +49.721.aabb, +1.202.566.aacc, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.691.aaaa, George_Thomas, +49.721.aabb, +1.202.566.aacc, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, ←

14:05:11 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, aabb is BenediktKaempgen

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, aabb is BenediktKaempgen ←

14:05:19 <Zakim> ... ??P52

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ??P52 ←

14:05:21 <DanG> 691-aaaa is DanG

Dan Gillman: 691-aaaa is DanG ←

14:05:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Mike_Pendleton, PhilA2, luisBermudez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, DanG, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, George, mhausenblas, danbri, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Mike_Pendleton, PhilA2, luisBermudez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, DanG, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, George, mhausenblas, danbri, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, ←

14:05:26 <Zakim> ... trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, sandro ←

14:05:29 <luisBermudez> aagg is me

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14:05:32 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it

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14:05:48 <PhilA2> zakim, aaaa is DanG

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14:05:50 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is danG

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aaaa is danG ←

14:05:52 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it

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14:06:28 <Zakim> +DanG; got it

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14:06:32 <Zakim> sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

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14:06:40 <Mike_Pendleton> zakim, aacc is Mike_Pendleton

Michael Pendleton: zakim, aacc is Mike_Pendleton ←

14:07:08 <George> zakim, who is here?

George Thomas: zakim, who is here? ←

14:07:10 <gatemezi> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aadd is me

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aadd is me ←

14:07:14 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton; got it

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14:07:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanG, George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, PhilA2

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see DanG, George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, PhilA2 ←

14:07:49 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it

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14:08:03 <gatemezi> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aadd is gatemezi

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14:08:07 <olyerickson> Scribe: olyerickson

(Scribe set to John Erickson)

14:08:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see tinagheen, Mike_Pendleton, PhilA2, luisBermudez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, DanG, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, George, mhausenblas, danbri, BenediktKaempgen,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tinagheen, Mike_Pendleton, PhilA2, luisBermudez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, DanG, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, George, mhausenblas, danbri, BenediktKaempgen, ←

14:08:23 <Zakim> ... bhyland, trackbot, sandro

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14:08:39 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

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14:08:42 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named '+33.4.93.00.aadd'

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14:08:47 <Zakim> +[LC]

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14:08:53 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

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14:08:57 <olyerickson> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120405

14:09:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanG, George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezi, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, PhilA2, [LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see DanG, George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezi, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, PhilA2, [LC] ←

14:09:16 <olyerickson> Materials published; congrats and thanks to everyone esp Sandrp

Materials published; congrats and thanks to everyone esp Sandro ←

14:09:21 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it

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14:09:24 <olyerickson> s/Sandrp/Sandro/

14:09:31 <gatemezi> s/Sandrp/Sandro

14:09:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see tinagheen, Mike_Pendleton, PhilA2, luisBermudez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, DanG, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, George, mhausenblas, danbri, BenediktKaempgen,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tinagheen, Mike_Pendleton, PhilA2, luisBermudez, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, DanG, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, MacTed, George, mhausenblas, danbri, BenediktKaempgen, ←

14:09:45 <Zakim> ... bhyland, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bhyland, trackbot, sandro ←

14:09:47 <PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/ works

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/ works ←

14:09:48 <olyerickson> Comments from mhausenblas

Comments from mhausenblas ←

14:09:55 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +91.80.67.84.aahh ←

14:10:11 <olyerickson> Now that FPWD is out, move toward ISA (?) "alignment"

Now that FPWD is out, move toward ISA (?) "alignment" ←

14:10:45 <olyerickson> ... PhilA: core vocabs integrated next couple weeks

... PhilA: core vocabs integrated next couple weeks ←

14:11:16 <olyerickson> ... ISA specs NOT currently in published versions of FPWDs

... ISA specs NOT currently in published versions of FPWDs ←

14:11:31 <olyerickson> mhausenblas: Planning call req'd

Michael Hausenblas: Planning call req'd ←

14:11:38 <olyerickson> PhilA2: makes sense

Phil Archer: makes sense ←

14:11:48 <olyerickson> ... needs to send mhausenblas something before WWW

... needs to send mhausenblas something before WWW ←

14:12:07 <PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-people/ works

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-people/ works ←

14:12:15 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:12:27 <bhyland> agenda+ coordination between Prov group (Luc and Paul Groth) + Mhausenblas & ?? re: agent meets people vocab

Bernadette Hyland: agenda+ coordination between Prov group (Luc and Paul Groth) + Mhausenblas & ?? re: agent meets people vocab ←

14:12:28 <PhilA2> Guess what http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-data-cube/

Phil Archer: Guess what http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-data-cube/ ←

14:12:51 <PhilA2> And http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/

Phil Archer: And http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/ ←

14:13:24 <olyerickson> bhyland: Skip to "Org" agenda item

Bernadette Hyland: Skip to "Org" agenda item ←

14:13:29 <PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/TR/gld-bp/ :-(

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/gld-bp/ :-( ←

14:13:37 <olyerickson> +1 bhyland to explain...

+1 bhyland to explain... ←

14:14:19 <olyerickson> ... Weds during sweb coord meeting, paul groth mentioned multiple W3C groups with RPOV concerns

... Weds during sweb coord meeting, paul groth mentioned multiple W3C groups with PROV concerns ←

14:14:58 <PhilA2> s/RPOV/PROV/

14:15:03 <olyerickson> Topic: PROV tie-ins

1. PROV tie-ins

14:15:41 <olyerickson> mhausenblas: What is the status of PROV?

Michael Hausenblas: What is the status of PROV? ←

14:15:52 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

14:16:08 <olyerickson> bhyland: need to keep up with our liaison with PROV

Bernadette Hyland: need to keep up with our liaison with PROV ←

14:16:25 <olyerickson> ... current status of PROV, not that far ahead

... current status of PROV, not that far ahead ←

14:16:37 <George> ack PhilA

George Thomas: ack PhilA ←

14:16:41 <olyerickson> PhilA2: would like to be involved in that discussion

Phil Archer: would like to be involved in that discussion ←

14:17:10 <bhyland> Paul Groth mentioned these references for our consideration:

Bernadette Hyland: Paul Groth mentioned these references for our consideration: ←

14:17:11 <bhyland> [1] people: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html

Bernadette Hyland: [1] people: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/people/index.html ←

14:17:11 <bhyland> [2] org: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/index.html

Bernadette Hyland: [2] org: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/index.html ←

14:17:11 <bhyland> [3] prov-dm: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#component2

Bernadette Hyland: [3] prov-dm: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#component2 ←

14:17:13 <olyerickson> ... SPARQL 1.1 is about to bring up "prov" considerations

... SPARQL 1.1 is about to bring up "prov" considerations ←

14:17:33 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:17:44 <olyerickson> q?

q? ←

14:17:48 <olyerickson> q+

q+ ←

14:18:23 <olyerickson> George: Org "speaks to" OPMV...

George Thomas: Org "speaks to" OPMV... ←

14:18:55 <olyerickson> Topic: Last week's minutes

2. Last week's minutes

14:18:58 <mhausenblas> +1

Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←

14:19:07 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←

14:19:10 <Mike_Pendleton> +1

Michael Pendleton: +1 ←

14:19:13 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←

14:19:13 <luisBermudez> +1

Luis Bermudez: +1 ←

14:19:40 <PhilA2> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

14:19:46 <olyerickson> George: Sorry to miss "geo work" discussion last week

George Thomas: Sorry to miss "geo work" discussion last week ←

14:19:58 <olyerickson> ... any further discussion/comments

... any further discussion/comments ←

14:20:10 <bhyland> closing loop on coordinating mhausenblas, phila2, luc and paul groth, see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/track/actions/8

Bernadette Hyland: closing loop on coordinating mhausenblas, phila2, luc and paul groth, see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/track/actions/8 ←

14:20:12 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:20:16 <George> ack olyerickson

George Thomas: ack olyerickson ←

14:20:59 <PhilA2> olyerickson: Regarding the provenance discussion... I'm trying to understand what the issue is? Was Paul concerned that there are lots of parallel efforts on provenance, or people, or what?

John Erickson: Regarding the provenance discussion... I'm trying to understand what the issue is? Was Paul concerned that there are lots of parallel efforts on provenance, or people, or what? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:21:04 <bhyland> TOPIC: Wrap up from last week's GeoLinkData Initiative ...

3. Wrap up from last week's GeoLinkData Initiative ...

14:21:52 <olyerickson> bhyland: explanation of PROV question

Bernadette Hyland: explanation of PROV question ←

14:22:08 <PhilA2> bhyland: AIUI, Paul in particular, they invented "agent" and it has a lot of people attributes. We're up to 4 different ways to capture people-related info just from W3C

Bernadette Hyland: AIUI, Paul in particular, they invented "agent" and it has a lot of people attributes. We're up to 4 different ways to capture people-related info just from W3C [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:22:12 <olyerickson> ... up to 4 ways to describe people

... up to 4 ways to describe people ←

14:22:21 <olyerickson> ... need to coordinate

... need to coordinate ←

14:22:38 <olyerickson> ... bhyland tasked with bringing together the various parties

... bhyland tasked with bringing together the various parties ←

14:22:53 <olyerickson> ... is there common ground, or should there be separate paths

... is there common ground, or should there be separate paths ←

14:22:57 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←

14:23:01 <sandro> (Sorry I'm late)

Sandro Hawke: (Sorry I'm late) ←

14:23:08 <olyerickson> ... can/should "people" be simpler

... can/should "people" be simpler ←

14:23:15 <PhilA2> Someone said schema.org ? http://philarcher.org/diary/2012/danbri/

Phil Archer: Someone said schema.org ? http://philarcher.org/diary/2012/danbri/ ←

14:23:50 <olyerickson> ... example schema.org w.r.t simplicity 9and role in packaging/marketing)

... example schema.org w.r.t simplicity 9and role in packaging/marketing) ←

14:24:30 <olyerickson> Topic: What to do w.r.t. geo vocabulary

4. What to do w.r.t. geo vocabulary

14:24:49 <olyerickson> George: many esp govt would like to put a "stake in the ground"

George Thomas: many esp govt would like to put a "stake in the ground" ←

14:24:54 <bhyland> To remind people who were present last week (and weren't), Boris gave a great talk on work on map4rdf, see http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es/projects/map4rdf/

Bernadette Hyland: To remind people who were present last week (and weren't), Boris gave a great talk on work on map4rdf, see http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es/projects/map4rdf/ ←

14:24:56 <olyerickson> ... poll the group?

... poll the group? ←

14:25:30 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Trying to notice what is going on, while being concerned about strengthing this group

Phil Archer: Trying to notice what is going on, while being concerned about strengthing this group ←

14:25:41 <olyerickson> ... BUT we do have optional item

... BUT we do have optional item ←

14:25:42 <gatemezi> @bhyland --Thanks for the link

Ghislain Atemezing: @bhyland --Thanks for the link ←

14:25:54 <olyerickson> ... there is much well-done current work in this area

... there is much well-done current work in this area ←

14:25:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←

14:26:16 <olyerickson> ... thinks, OGC's (??) job

... thinks, OGC's (??) job ←

14:26:24 <olyerickson> ... yet people bring it to use

... yet people bring it to use ←

14:26:24 <bhyland> Per PhilA2's reference, see http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo/

Bernadette Hyland: Per PhilA2's reference, see http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo/ ←

14:26:42 <gatemezi> +1 to PhilA

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to PhilA ←

14:26:44 <PhilA2> ack BartvanLeeuwen

Phil Archer: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←

14:26:49 <olyerickson> ... GLD is in a position to consider, yet we have it as an opt. on our charter

... GLD is in a position to consider, yet we have it as an opt. on our charter ←

14:27:06 <olyerickson> BartvanLeeuwen: concern over amt of work reqd to get it done

Bart van Leeuwen: concern over amt of work reqd to get it done ←

14:27:18 <olyerickson> ... should at least reference the relevant vocabs

... should at least reference the relevant vocabs ←

14:27:30 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

14:27:34 <olyerickson> ... shouldn't write our own recommendation

... shouldn't write our own recommendation ←

14:27:42 <olyerickson> ... there are "smarter" people to do that

... there are "smarter" people to do that ←

14:27:53 <olyerickson> ... best practices should be able to point to other references

... best practices should be able to point to other references ←

14:28:02 <PhilA2> ref: Open Geospatial Consortium http://www.opengeospatial.org/

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14:28:03 <olyerickson> ... but maybe not...

... but maybe not... ←

14:28:08 <luisBermudez> q+

Luis Bermudez: q+ ←

14:28:26 <olyerickson> George: If there *is* energy, there is interest in the community

George Thomas: If there *is* energy, there is interest in the community ←

14:28:40 <olyerickson> ... there's lots of innovation going on in this area

... there's lots of innovation going on in this area ←

14:28:42 <olyerickson> bhyland:

Bernadette Hyland: ←

14:28:57 <olyerickson> bhyland: BP doc focusing on what SHOULD be done

Bernadette Hyland: BP doc focusing on what SHOULD be done ←

14:29:02 <olyerickson> ... BP not about "how"

... BP not about "how" ←

14:29:16 <olyerickson> ... rec'd of vocabs is new ground for W3C

... rec'd of vocabs is new ground for W3C ←

14:29:53 <PhilA2> I'm the last person to object to FOAF!

Phil Archer: I'm the last person to object to FOAF! ←

14:29:55 <olyerickson> ... GLD approach to rec'd vocabs is new

... GLD approach to rec'd vocabs is new ←

14:30:21 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

14:30:22 <olyerickson> ... need to be careful to not go beyond out core expertise

... need to be careful to not go beyond out core expertise ←

14:30:26 <PhilA2> ack bhyland

Phil Archer: ack bhyland ←

14:30:34 <PhilA2> ack luisBermudez

Phil Archer: ack luisBermudez ←

14:31:09 <olyerickson> luisBermudez: Geo vocab standard will be published soon

Luis Bermudez: Geo vocab standard will be published soon ←

14:31:34 <olyerickson> ... important to find way to integrate e.g. geoSPARQL, etc

... important to find way to integrate e.g. geoSPARQL, etc ←

14:32:12 <PhilA2> luisBermudez:  geoSPARQL will be publicly available in June (from OGC)

Luis Bermudez: geoSPARQL will be publicly available in June (from OGC) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:32:21 <PhilA2> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

14:32:34 <olyerickson> ... luisBermudez the problem: geoSPARQL not a publicly available standard (will be)

... luisBermudez the problem: geoSPARQL not a publicly available standard (will be) ←

14:32:52 <BenediktKaempgen> +q

Benedikt Kaempgen: +q ←

14:33:00 <olyerickson> PhilA2: GLD should look at it "a little later" in the year

Phil Archer: GLD should look at it "a little later" in the year ←

14:33:14 <olyerickson> ... FOAF is now under the wing of DC

... FOAF is now under the wing of DC ←

14:33:17 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

14:33:40 <sandro> q+ to ask Phil in what sense one vocab can use another

Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask Phil in what sense one vocab can use another ←

14:33:41 <bhyland> @PhilA2 thanks for clarifying/reminding me re: ISA People & FOAF embrace

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA2 thanks for clarifying/reminding me re: ISA People & FOAF embrace ←

14:33:50 <olyerickson> ... thought question: Will FOAF be around next year?

... thought question: Will FOAF be around next year? ←

14:34:12 <sandro> DanG, the reference was to Dan Brickley, co-parent of FOAF.

Sandro Hawke: DanG, the reference was to Dan Brickley, co-parent of FOAF. ←

14:35:43 <danbri> while we're on topic, can I draw attention to some other People vocab things from this week?

Scribe problem: the name 'danbri' does not match any of the 60 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aitor Moreno Anne Washington Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Dan Gillman Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Hau David Smith David Price Dean Allemang Deirdre Lee Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Irene Polikoff John Goodwin John Speakman John Sheridan John Erickson Jonathan Gray Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Hausenblas Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Ronald Reck Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Simon Wall Stasinos Konstantopoulos Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown danbri: while we're on topic, can I draw attention to some other People vocab things from this week? ←

14:35:44 <bhyland> @george, what URL would you like me to add to agenda from HR14 proposal discussion?

Bernadette Hyland: @george, what URL would you like me to add to agenda from HR14 proposal discussion? ←

14:35:46 <danbri> see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/opensocial-and-gadgets-spec

Unknown danbri: see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/opensocial-and-gadgets-spec ←

14:35:48 <olyerickson> BenediktKaempgen: Talked to supervisor, tells us that that community has tried to consolidate, question of what GLD process will be for integrating in ???geo (neogeo?)

Benedikt Kaempgen: Talked to supervisor, tells us that that community has tried to consolidate, question of what GLD process will be for integrating in neogeo (neogeo?) ←

14:36:13 <olyerickson> Thanks to sandro for the big push last night

Thanks to sandro for the big push last night ←

14:36:13 <bhyland> +1 thanks to Sandro

Bernadette Hyland: +1 thanks to Sandro ←

14:36:18 <danbri> opensocial is a tech for making social networks, and is linked to PortableContacts, a vcard-based addressbook format. opensocial people are wondering how to address new requirements for modelling organizations, scientific info etc.

Unknown danbri: opensocial is a tech for making social networks, and is linked to PortableContacts, a vcard-based addressbook format. opensocial people are wondering how to address new requirements for modelling organizations, scientific info etc. ←

14:36:24 <gatemezi> s/???geo/neogeo

14:36:37 <olyerickson> um

um ←

14:36:38 <danbri> e.g .https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/opensocial-and-gadgets-spec/g3NyGn-8Avs

Unknown danbri: e.g .https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/opensocial-and-gadgets-spec/g3NyGn-8Avs ←

14:36:49 <olyerickson> is there an announcement that some of us are missing?

is there an announcement that some of us are missing? ←

14:37:07 <olyerickson> sandro: What does it mean for one vocab to "use" another

Sandro Hawke: What does it mean for one vocab to "use" another ←

14:37:13 <danbri> neogeo ~ http://nuts.geovocab.org/id/nuts0.html  http://nuts.geovocab.org/ ?

Unknown danbri: neogeo ~ http://nuts.geovocab.org/id/nuts0.html http://nuts.geovocab.org/ ? ←

14:38:15 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Issue of alignment of e.g. foaf:Person with schema.org equivalent, etc

Phil Archer: Issue of alignment of e.g. foaf:Person with schema.org equivalent, etc ←

14:38:45 <olyerickson> ... See PhilA2 blog post (today)

... See PhilA2 blog post (today) ←

14:39:09 <olyerickson> ... motivated PhilA2 to think foaf should be retired...

... motivated PhilA2 to think foaf should be retired... ←

14:39:20 <gatemezi> @LuisBermudez: could you know any triple store that have implemented part of geoSPARQL requirements?

Ghislain Atemezing: @LuisBermudez: could you know any triple store that have implemented part of geoSPARQL requirements? ←

14:39:44 <olyerickson> sandro:  can't recommend The Government to use vocab that can't be used in perpetuity

Sandro Hawke: can't recommend The Government to use vocab that can't be used in perpetuity ←

14:39:50 <PhilA2> smotivated PhilA2 to think foaf should be retired.../motivated PhilA2 to think a day may come when foaf could be retired.../

Phil Archer: smotivated PhilA2 to think a day may come when foaf could be retired.../motivated PhilA2 to think a day may come when foaf could be retired.../ ←

14:39:54 <PhilA2> s/motivated PhilA2 to think foaf should be retired.../motivated PhilA2 to think a day may come when foaf could be retired.../

14:40:12 <PhilA2> My blog post http://philarcher.org/diary/2012/danbri/

Phil Archer: My blog post http://philarcher.org/diary/2012/danbri/ ←

14:40:27 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

14:40:33 <sandro> queue=

Sandro Hawke: queue= ←

14:40:57 <bhyland> PhilA2: There may a day in our community that some sacred cows should be retired …

Phil Archer: There may a day in our community that some sacred cows should be retired … [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:41:26 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:42:03 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

14:42:09 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

14:42:21 <sandro> q+ to disagree with olyerickson

Sandro Hawke: q+ to disagree with olyerickson ←

14:42:51 <olyerickson> bhyland: It's a concept called "social responsibility"

Bernadette Hyland: It's a concept called "social responsibility" ←

14:43:14 <olyerickson> ... when you publish "content" you are making a commitment or 'social contract'

... when you publish "content" you are making a commitment or 'social contract' ←

14:43:35 <olyerickson> ... for the foreseeable future

... for the foreseeable future ←

14:43:48 <olyerickson> ... BP must educate/"warn" adopters

... BP must educate/"warn" adopters ←

14:44:15 <olyerickson> ... vocabs should be from authoritative sources that make commitment

... vocabs should be from authoritative sources that make commitment ←

14:44:24 <bhyland> zakim, who is speaking?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is speaking? ←

14:44:33 <olyerickson> sandro: doesn't agree

Sandro Hawke: doesn't agree ←

14:44:35 <Zakim> bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: George_Thomas (5%), olyerickson (9%), Sandro (57%)

Zakim IRC Bot: bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: George_Thomas (5%), olyerickson (9%), Sandro (57%) ←

14:44:41 <Zakim> - +91.80.67.84.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +91.80.67.84.aahh ←

14:44:56 <olyerickson> ... W3C makes a commitment to e.g. DCAT

... W3C makes a commitment to e.g. DCAT ←

14:45:21 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:45:25 <George> ack bhyland

George Thomas: ack bhyland ←

14:45:25 <olyerickson> ... details will change, there is a process and W3C stands behind it

... details will change, there is a process and W3C stands behind it ←

14:45:28 <George> ack sandro

George Thomas: ack sandro ←

14:45:28 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to disagree with olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to disagree with olyerickson ←

14:45:29 <bhyland> ack bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland ←

14:46:23 <PhilA2> olyerickson: You, Sandro, were right to disagree with my words

John Erickson: You, Sandro, were right to disagree with my words [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:46:33 <PhilA2> olyerickson: An organisation needs to know what it is adopting

John Erickson: An organisation needs to know what it is adopting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:46:35 <bhyland> Sandro: Gov'ts should be able to count on key vocabs, such as DCAT, in perpetuity.

Sandro Hawke: Gov'ts should be able to count on key vocabs, such as DCAT, in perpetuity. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:46:53 <PhilA2> ... e.g. the current version of DCAT, recognising that it may evolve

Phil Archer: ... e.g. the current version of DCAT, recognising that it may evolve ←

14:47:12 <PhilA2> olyerickson: They need to recognise that by using a vocan they become part of that community

John Erickson: They need to recognise that by using a vocan they become part of that community [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:47:27 <sandro> +1 olyerickson  Yes, people adopting a tech become part of the stewardship community, when things work well.    That's sustainable.

Sandro Hawke: +1 olyerickson Yes, people adopting a tech become part of the stewardship community, when things work well. That's sustainable. ←

14:47:32 <bhyland> johnerickson: Gov't need to recognize their role as stewards of vocabs [and data sets] that they publish.

John Erickson: Gov't need to recognize their role as stewards of vocabs [and data sets] that they publish. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:47:34 <PhilA2> ... they can't wine about the fact that current browsers don't working with HTML1 any more

Phil Archer: ... they can't wine about the fact that current browsers don't working with HTML1 any more ←

14:47:40 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

14:47:53 <olyerickson> we are in fervent agreement

we are in fervent agreement ←

14:47:59 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←

14:47:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanG, George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezi, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, PhilA2, tinagheen,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see DanG, George_Thomas, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezi, +1.540.898.aaee, BartvanLeeuwen, mhausenblas, +1.267.481.aagg, olyerickson, PhilA2, tinagheen, ←

14:48:02 <Zakim> ... Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro ←

14:48:07 <olyerickson> (if not using the most articulate language)

(if not using the most articulate language) ←

14:48:22 <olyerickson> sandro: brings us back to foaf

Sandro Hawke: brings us back to foaf ←

14:48:59 <mhausenblas> Michael: I have to apologise, need to run now (need to do some fire-fighting, unforeseen incident that came up …)

Michael Hausenblas: I have to apologise, need to run now (need to do some fire-fighting, unforeseen incident that came up …) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

14:49:02 <olyerickson> ... might have a situation where W3C doesn't control the namespace, dereferencing, etc

... might have a situation where W3C doesn't control the namespace, dereferencing, etc ←

14:49:16 <olyerickson> ... need to ensure namespace is part of the community stewardship

... need to ensure namespace is part of the community stewardship ←

14:49:27 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

14:49:30 <olyerickson> ... community needs to have control

... community needs to have control ←

14:49:43 <olyerickson> PhilA2: agrees with sandro

Phil Archer: agrees with sandro ←

14:50:24 <sandro> sandro: We should only use namespaces for which we have en enforcable commitment to respect some legitimate stewardship/community process

Sandro Hawke: We should only use namespaces for which we have en enforcable commitment to respect some legitimate stewardship/community process [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

14:50:29 <olyerickson> ... "DanBri under a bus" problem has created adoption problems for foaf in the past, seems to be resolved now

... "DanBri under a bus" problem has created adoption problems for foaf in the past, seems to be resolved now ←

14:51:15 <olyerickson> ... key issue is foaf:Person and schema.org allow imaginary people

... key issue is foaf:Person and schema.org allow imaginary people ←

14:51:29 <PhilA2> q-

Phil Archer: q- ←

14:51:37 <olyerickson> Topic: HR14

5. HR14

14:51:46 <olyerickson> ... httpRange-14

... httpRange-14 ←

14:51:54 <danbri> (the dictionaries definition of 'person' allows imaginary people too) (imagine a dictionary where each term had 'except for pretend X's...'?)

Unknown danbri: (the dictionaries definition of 'person' allows imaginary people too) (imagine a dictionary where each term had 'except for pretend X's...'?) ←

14:51:55 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas ←

14:52:13 <olyerickson> George: any views/thoughts?

George Thomas: any views/thoughts? ←

14:52:18 <danbri> btw ... if GLD have expectations re what long-term preservation commitments you'd like from schema.org, do please write them down and pass them along

Unknown danbri: btw ... if GLD have expectations re what long-term preservation commitments you'd like from schema.org, do please write them down and pass them along ←

14:52:19 <olyerickson> sandro: (laughs)

Sandro Hawke: (laughs) ←

14:52:26 <olyerickson> ... gave up in 2003

... gave up in 2003 ←

14:52:55 <olyerickson> ... proposed 303 but has given up

... proposed 303 but has given up ←

14:53:44 <gatemezi> I was reading also this post of Jenni http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/168

Ghislain Atemezing: I was reading also this post of Jenni http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/168 ←

14:53:49 <PhilA2> olyerickson: I've been watching in the way you watch a NASCAR race expecting a crash. A real concern is implementation efficiency

John Erickson: I've been watching in the way you watch a NASCAR race expecting a crash. A real concern is implementation efficiency [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:54:22 <PhilA2> ... there are existential issues but the practical ones are perhaps more key - redirection, caching and so on

Phil Archer: ... there are existential issues but the practical ones are perhaps more key - redirection, caching and so on ←

14:54:45 <PhilA2> ... there are some proposals around 3xx and 200/207

Phil Archer: ... there are some proposals around 3xx and 200/207 ←

14:55:02 <PhilA2> ... I really haven't seen a convergence

Phil Archer: ... I really haven't seen a convergence ←

14:55:15 <olyerickson> Current state: Open for proposals

Current state: Open for proposals ←

14:55:16 <PhilA2> George: It's open for proposals on possible conversion

George Thomas: It's open for proposals on possible conversion [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:55:22 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

14:56:31 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+ ←

14:56:32 <bhyland> olyerickson: "I'm not interested from a fascinated academic perspective, rather a grouchy implementer."

John Erickson: "I'm not interested from a fascinated academic perspective, rather a grouchy implementer." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:56:49 <olyerickson> ;)

;) ←

14:57:47 <olyerickson> bhyland: jenit is soliciting proposals

Bernadette Hyland: jenit is soliciting proposals ←

14:58:01 <olyerickson> ... trying to do it sensibly

... trying to do it sensibly ←

14:58:10 <olyerickson> ... reaching out to stakeholders

... reaching out to stakeholders ←

14:58:31 <olyerickson> ... jenit trying to get something done

... jenit trying to get something done ←

14:58:47 <olyerickson> ... put something in writing, not "pissy emails"

... put something in writing, not "pissy emails" ←

14:59:11 <olyerickson> not(sandro) : interested in concern over performance

not(sandro) : interested in concern over performance ←

14:59:32 <olyerickson> ... are there designs that deliver performance which doesn't violate semantics of 303

... are there designs that deliver performance which doesn't violate semantics of 303 ←

14:59:54 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:59:55 <olyerickson> how to engage: write it up, submit

how to engage: write it up, submit ←

15:00:11 <bhyland> ack bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland ←

15:00:13 <olyerickson> Topic: Wrap-up

6. Wrap-up

15:00:59 <olyerickson> George: Interesting how when GLD people get interested and start to engage, their Inboxes get flooded

George Thomas: Interesting how when GLD people get interested and start to engage, their Inboxes get flooded ←

15:01:25 <olyerickson> Topic: Agenda items for next week

7. Agenda items for next week

15:01:32 <olyerickson> (none offered)

(none offered) ←

15:01:42 <olyerickson> Adjorned

Adjorned ←

15:01:46 <gatemezi> Thanks George and olyerickson..

Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks George and olyerickson.. ←

15:01:48 <olyerickson> 'Have a great day'

'Have a great day' ←

15:01:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx and bye !

Bart van Leeuwen: thx and bye ! ←

15:01:52 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks

Benedikt Kaempgen: Thanks ←

15:01:55 <DanG> Bye

Dan Gillman: Bye ←

15:02:07 <Zakim> -tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -tinagheen ←

15:02:13 <Zakim> -DanG

Zakim IRC Bot: -DanG ←

15:02:17 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton

Zakim IRC Bot: -Mike_Pendleton ←

15:02:19 <Zakim> - +1.540.898.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.540.898.aaee ←

15:02:21 <Zakim> - +1.267.481.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.267.481.aagg ←

15:02:29 <Zakim> -PhilA2

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA2 ←

15:02:33 <olyerickson> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←

15:02:37 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

15:02:41 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen ←

15:02:46 <olyerickson> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes ←

15:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-gld-minutes.html olyerickson

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-gld-minutes.html olyerickson ←

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