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DWBP F2F day 2

Minutes of 25 September 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
Seen
Adriano Veloso, Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Giancarlo Guizzardi, Gisele Pappa, Jeremy Debattista, Makx Dekkers, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Newton Calegari, Peter Winstanley, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Sumit Purohit, Vagner Diniz, Wagner Meira Jr., Yaso Córdova
Chair
Bernadette Farias Loscio
Scribe
Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Antoine Isaac, Adriano Veloso, Unknown PeterWinstsanley, Deirdre Lee, Unknown nandada, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Yaso Córdova
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s) link
  2. That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s) link
  3. That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc link
  4. That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc link
  5. To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review) link
  6. To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review) link
  7. The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex link
  8. That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future. link
  9. That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future. link
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11:11:39 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-irc

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11:11:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351

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11:11:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP

11:11:43 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

11:11:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
11:11:44 <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2015
11:11:49 <deirdrelee> rrsagent, make logs public

Deirdre Lee: rrsagent, make logs public

11:11:52 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_

11:12:17 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: present+ deirdrelee

11:12:30 <laufer> present+ laufer

Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer

11:13:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

11:15:09 <antoine> present+ antoine

Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine

11:16:47 <phila> Meeting: DWBP F2F day 2
11:16:53 <Makx> present+ makx

Makx Dekkers: present+ makx

11:16:54 <phila> Chair: Deirdre
11:17:03 <deirdrelee> scribe: laufer

(Scribe set to Carlos Laufer)

11:17:20 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb

Jeremy Debattista: present+ jerdeb

11:17:27 <phila> present+ phila

Phil Archer: present+ phila

11:17:40 <laufer> deirdrelee: welcome to the participants

Deirdre Lee: welcome to the participants

11:17:58 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
11:18:04 <newtoncalegari> present+ newtoncalegari

Newton Calegari: present+ newtoncalegari

11:18:12 <adrianov> present+ adrianov

Adriano Veloso: present+ adrianov

11:18:16 <laufer> ... continuing Best practices session

... continuing Best practices session

11:18:20 <nandana> present+ nandana

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nandana

11:18:23 <Gisele> present+ gisele

Gisele Pappa: present+ giancarlo

11:18:25 <antoine> q+ to ask about some removed BP

Antoine Isaac: q+ to ask about some removed BP

11:18:37 <laufer> ... phil update the data identification session in the document

... phil update the data identification session in the document

11:18:53 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

11:18:53 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask about some removed BP

Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to ask about some removed BP

11:19:05 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio

11:19:19 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0090.html

Antoine Isaac: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0090.html

11:19:26 <laufer> antoine: asking about a question sent by e-mail

Antoine Isaac: asking about a question sent by e-mail

11:19:42 <laufer> ... a question about the vocabulary issues

... a question about the vocabulary issues

11:20:13 <laufer> ... I see not a great problem but want to discuss some requirements

... I see not a great problem but want to discuss some requirements

11:20:24 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

11:20:50 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: we need to make a list of the requirements and maybe we need a section in the end of the documento to define waht requirements are necessary or not

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need to make a list of the requirements and maybe we need a section in the end of the documento to define waht requirements are necessary or not

11:21:02 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

11:21:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

11:21:11 <laufer> ... to define what requirements are out of scope of the group

... to define what requirements are out of scope of the group

11:21:37 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

11:21:37 <laufer> phila: what we did is to point to other groups

Phil Archer: what we did is to point to other groups

11:22:04 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: we have to review the list but if we find a req that is not there what we have to do

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have to review the list but if we find a req that is not there what we have to do

11:22:31 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

11:22:34 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

11:22:44 <laufer> deirdrelee: we can maybe just identify what best practices point to the requirements

Deirdre Lee: we can maybe just identify what best practices point to the requirements

11:23:25 <laufer> antoine: maybe what we have to do in some cases is just to put some explanation in the document

Antoine Isaac: maybe what we have to do in some cases is just to put some explanation in the document

11:23:51 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: what is the best way to do this: a section or a text in the intro

Bernadette Farias Loscio: what is the best way to do this: a section or a text in the intro

11:24:54 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

11:24:56 <laufer> deirdrelee: creating a specific action to that

Deirdre Lee: creating a specific action to that

11:25:04 <phila> action: Bernadette to tabulate requirements against the BPs that address them

ACTION: Bernadette to tabulate requirements against the BPs that address them

11:25:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Tabulate requirements against the bps that address them [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-205 - Tabulate requirements against the bps that address them [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-10-02].

11:25:40 <laufer> antoine: a comment to the editor that the text was not completely removed form the doc

Antoine Isaac: a comment to the editor that the text was not completely removed form the doc

11:26:04 <laufer> deirdrelee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146

11:26:04 <phila> topic: Maturity Levels in the BP Doc

1. Maturity Levels in the BP Doc

11:26:07 <phila> scribe: laufer
11:26:45 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: talking a bout the maturity level to replace or not the use of the RFC words

Bernadette Farias Loscio: talking a bout the maturity level to replace or not the use of the RFC words

11:27:23 <laufer> ... for the maturity model we do not have yet a real proposal but we have some ideas

... for the maturity model we do not have yet a real proposal but we have some ideas

11:27:46 <laufer> ... laufer send an initial list of the groups of bps using the words

... laufer send an initial list of the groups of bps using the words

11:28:04 <laufer> ... then an idea was raise to define levls for the bps

... then an idea was raise to define levels for the bps

11:28:28 <BernadetteLoscio> https://docs.google.com/a/cin.ufpe.br/spreadsheets/d/1IT6IEeyGUY9crIYY9hDQLgdVx4XVzzKYf21N7YQrO5s/edit?usp=sharing

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://docs.google.com/a/cin.ufpe.br/spreadsheets/d/1IT6IEeyGUY9crIYY9hDQLgdVx4XVzzKYf21N7YQrO5s/edit?usp=sharing

11:28:30 <laufer> ... I have a other proposal and will put soon a link to that

... I have a other proposal and will put soon a link to that

11:28:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> s/levls/levels
11:29:14 <laufer> ... the idea was to identify the main aspects of a dataset

... the idea was to identify the main aspects of a dataset

11:29:30 <laufer> ... if the bps are really used what be the result

... if the bps are really used what be the result

11:29:46 <laufer> ... I tried to idetify some of these characteristics

... I tried to idetify some of these characteristics

11:30:07 <laufer> ... bernadette is describing the document

... bernadette is describing the document

11:30:28 <laufer> there is a link between the chatacteristic and the BP

there is a link between the chatacteristic and the BP

11:30:33 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

11:30:46 <laufer> ... agregating some meaning to the BP

... agregating some meaning to the BP

11:30:48 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

11:31:20 <laufer> if we have levls we do not need to say if one BP is better than othe... r

if we have levls we do not need to say if one BP is better than othe... r

11:31:56 <laufer> if I aplly some BP I have for example a level for a characteristic of acessibility

if I aplly some BP I have for example a level for a characteristic of acessibility

11:31:58 <phila> q+ to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer

Phil Archer: q+ to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer

11:32:14 <laufer> ... one BP coul be associated to more that one characteristic

... one BP coul be associated to more that one characteristic

11:32:32 <laufer> ... I want to have a feedback about this first idea

... I want to have a feedback about this first idea

11:33:03 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

11:33:03 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask whether a BP can be associated with more than one aspect? And to ask if Nic.br has a designer

11:33:07 <laufer> ... the second thing is to decide if this enough to evaluate the BP, if this is suficient to replace the RFC keywords

... the second thing is to decide if this enough to evaluate the BP, if this is suficient to replace the RFC keywords

11:33:19 <laufer> phila: I like the idea of aspects

Phil Archer: I like the idea of aspects

11:34:22 <laufer> ... phil asked vagner if he has a designer and vagner aswered yes

... phil asked vagner if he has a designer and vagner aswered yes

11:34:40 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

11:34:50 <laufer> phila: not sure if this idea coul replace the RFC keywords

Phil Archer: not sure if this idea coul replace the RFC keywords

11:34:53 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

11:35:01 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

11:35:04 <laufer> deirdrelee: asking if there are other opinios

Deirdre Lee: asking if there are other opinios

11:35:13 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

11:35:34 <laufer> antoine: I this is interesting and I am curious of the comparison with the ideas of the quality dimensions

Antoine Isaac: I this is interesting and I am curious of the comparison with the ideas of the quality dimensions

11:35:48 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: I was tinking about this yesterday

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I was tinking about this yesterday

11:36:09 <laufer> ... I think there is a reelation, I do not know if it is a one to one relation

... I think there is a relation, I do not know if it is a one to one relation

11:36:21 <newtoncalegari> s/reelation/relation
11:36:29 <laufer> ... but if I understood correctly we do not have a fixed list of dimension

... but if I understood correctly we do not have a fixed list of dimension

11:36:36 <phila> The dimensions from DQV are 7.1 Statistics

Phil Archer: The dimensions from DQV are 7.1 Statistics

11:36:36 <phila> 7.2 Availability

Phil Archer: 7.2 Availability

11:36:36 <phila> 7.3 Processability

Phil Archer: 7.3 Processability

11:36:37 <phila> 7.4 Accuracy

Phil Archer: 7.4 Accuracy

11:36:37 <phila> 7.5 Consistency

Phil Archer: 7.5 Consistency

11:36:37 <phila> 7.6 Relevance

Phil Archer: 7.6 Relevance

11:36:39 <phila> 7.7 Completeness

Phil Archer: 7.7 Completeness

11:36:41 <phila> 7.8 Conformance

Phil Archer: 7.8 Conformance

11:36:44 <phila> 7.9 Credibility

Phil Archer: 7.9 Credibility

11:36:46 <phila> 7.10 Timeliness

Phil Archer: 7.10 Timeliness

11:36:58 <laufer> ... we can do the exercise to see the relations between the aspects of quality and the aspects of the BPs

... we can do the exercise to see the relations between the aspects of quality and the aspects of the BPs

11:37:09 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

11:37:11 <laufer> q+

q+

11:37:36 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

11:37:37 <laufer> ... I think woul be great to evaluate the BPs

... I think woul be great to evaluate the BPs

11:37:51 <laufer> ... I think it is interesting

... I think it is interesting

11:38:14 <laufer> deirdrelee: in general I think it is a very good idea to make the document understandable

Deirdre Lee: in general I think it is a very good idea to make the document understandable

11:38:34 <laufer> ... it will be a nice way to transmit the idea of what the document is

... it will be a nice way to transmit the idea of what the document is

11:38:51 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

11:38:52 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

11:39:23 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

11:39:35 <deirdrelee> laufer: i think it's a good idea, it isn't an instance of a document for the dqv, but what we are defining here is a way to define the quality of publishing, we are defining the dimensions and the things we have in dqv. w

Carlos Laufer: i think it's a good idea, it isn't an instance of a document for the dqv, but what we are defining here is a way to define the quality of publishing, we are defining the dimensions and the things we have in dqv. w [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:39:51 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

11:40:04 <laufer> antoine: reaction to one thing bernadette said

Antoine Isaac: reaction to one thing bernadette said

11:40:24 <laufer> ... dimension mayve to annotations too,

... dimension mayve to annotations too,

11:40:25 <nandana> +q to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012

11:40:25 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

11:40:50 <deirdrelee> ack nandana

Deirdre Lee: ack nandana

11:40:50 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012

Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to ask if the dimensions can be matched to the ones in http://iso25000.com/index.php/en/iso-25000-standards/iso-25012

11:41:07 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: just completing what laufer said, is more to evaluate the dataset itself instead of the publishing

Bernadette Farias Loscio: just completing what laufer said, is more to evaluate the dataset itself instead of the publishing

11:41:25 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

11:41:30 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

11:41:36 <laufer> nandana: to make a list of comprehensive dimensions

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: to make a list of comprehensive dimensions

11:41:40 <phila> q+ to talk about ODI Certs

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about ODI Certs

11:41:54 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

11:41:54 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about ODI Certs

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about ODI Certs

11:42:02 <phila> -> https://certificates.theodi.org/overview ODI Certs

Phil Archer: -> https://certificates.theodi.org/overview ODI Certs

11:42:07 <laufer> phila: this discussion make me to remeber ODI certificates

Phil Archer: this discussion make me to remeber ODI certificates

11:42:31 <laufer> ... ODI refers more to the publisher

... ODI refers more to the publisher

11:42:41 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

11:42:45 <antoine> phila+1

Antoine Isaac: phila+1

11:42:45 <laufer> we have to look to ODI to complete the list of aspects

we don't have to look to ODI to complete the list of aspects

11:43:02 <phila> I don't think we need to try and match our dimensions to the ODI Certs as they measure the publishing process, not the dataset

Phil Archer: I don't think we need to try and match our dimensions to the ODI Certs as they measure the publishing process, not the dataset

11:43:04 <Caroline_> s/we have/ we don't have
11:43:16 <laufer> deirdrelee: making a specific proposal to this idea

Deirdre Lee: making a specific proposal to this idea

11:43:17 <Caroline_> +1 to phil

Caroline Burle: +1 to phil

11:43:58 <deirdrelee> draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP

Deirdre Lee: draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP

11:44:05 <laufer> q+

q+

11:44:11 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

11:45:14 <deirdrelee> laufer: for BernadetteLoscio, I agree that quality is about the dataset, but if we say that having a good level of accessibility you need metadata, you're not talking about the dataset, but the publisher

Carlos Laufer: for BernadetteLoscio, I agree that quality is about the dataset, but if we say that having a good level of accessibility you need metadata, you're not talking about the dataset, but the publisher [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:45:26 <deirdrelee> .. it's talking aboutthe way it is being published

Deirdre Lee: .. it's talking aboutthe way it is being published

11:45:32 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

11:45:52 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: i understand, but i think in the end what we are going to evaluate is the dataset itself

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i understand, but i think in the end what we are going to evaluate is the dataset itself [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:46:15 <deirdrelee> laufer: but the aspects are related to publishing process

Carlos Laufer: but the aspects are related to publishing process [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:46:25 <deirdrelee> ... its the quality of the publishing

Deirdre Lee: ... its the quality of the publishing

11:46:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

11:46:59 <deirdrelee> ... it's the information that can help users to understand the datsaet, parse the datset, etc.

Deirdre Lee: ... it's the information that can help users to understand the datsaet, parse the datset, etc.

11:47:25 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

11:48:02 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: the distiction doesn't really matter

Deirdre Lee: the distiction doesn't really matter [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:48:17 <deirdrelee> laufer: a lot of things we don't have to worry about this

Carlos Laufer: a lot of things we don't have to worry about this [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:48:18 <deirdrelee> ack me

Deirdre Lee: ack me

11:48:48 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: it's not just the quality, it's more than the dataset itself

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's not just the quality, it's more than the dataset itself [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

11:49:05 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

11:49:06 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: what we expect of the dataset and the things are connected

Bernadette Farias Loscio: what we expect of the dataset and the things are connected

11:49:22 <laufer> RiccardoAlbertoni: just to say that I agree with laufer

Riccardo Albertoni: just to say that I agree with laufer

11:50:13 <laufer> ... in the BPs we are talking abou the publishing but I also agrre with antoin that probably this metadat information maybe relate dto annotations or other metrics

... in the BPs we are talking abou the publishing but I also agrre with antoin that probably this metadat information maybe relate dto annotations or other metrics

11:50:34 <laufer> ...we have to identify this distictions

...we have to identify these distictions

11:50:44 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

11:50:49 <laufer> s/this/these/
11:50:57 <laufer> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: some comments

Giancarlo Guizzardi: some comments

11:51:38 <laufer> ... if we asy that you are talking about the metadata about the dataset we have to establish a connection between the metadata and the dataset

... if we asy that you are talking about the metadata about the dataset we have to establish a connection between the metadata and the dataset

11:52:05 <deirdrelee> draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP

Deirdre Lee: draft proposal: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP

11:52:10 <laufer> ... I annot see how to avoid the rlation between the metadata and the dtaset itself

... I annot see how to avoid the rlation between the metadata and the dtaset itself

11:52:23 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP

PROPOSED: Add aspects to the BP document to describe the benefit of each BP

11:52:42 <yaso> -1

Yaso Córdova: -1

11:52:49 <Makx> -1

Makx Dekkers: -1

11:53:10 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

11:53:20 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Yes. the quality of the metadata influences our appreciation of the quality of the data (e.g., the dataset should be described using SHAREABLE metadata)

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Yes. the quality of the metadata influences our appreciation of the quality of the data (e.g., the dataset should be described using SHAREABLE metadata)

11:53:37 <Makx> I had the same question as Phil

Makx Dekkers: I had the same question as Phil

11:53:56 <Makx> Benefit is in the why

Makx Dekkers: Benefit is in the why

11:54:14 <laufer> yaso: I think that finding a benefit is very personal, could be money you do not waste

Yaso Córdova: I think that finding a benefit is very personal, could be money you do not waste

11:54:30 <laufer> how we can identify that

how we can identify that

11:54:51 <laufer> ... I do not think is necessary

... I do not think is necessary

11:54:58 <laufer> q+

q+

11:55:03 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

11:55:05 <phila> q+ to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon

Phil Archer: q+ to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon

11:55:24 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

11:55:47 <laufer> deirdrelee: phil said the why section is pointing the reason

Deirdre Lee: phil said the why section is pointing the reason

11:56:21 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: I think why is more descriptive and is different

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think why is more descriptive and is different

11:56:54 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: I think is more general

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think is more general

11:57:04 <Caroline_> scribe: Caroline_

(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)

11:57:19 <Caroline_> laufer: we can list some of the reasons to use the BPs

Carlos Laufer: we can list some of the reasons to use the BPs

11:57:31 <Caroline_> ... some aspects are technical

... some aspects are technical

11:58:25 <Caroline_> ... we can list the tech aspects

... we can list the tech aspects

11:58:36 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

11:58:38 <Caroline_> ... it is parcible

... it is parsable

11:58:41 <Caroline_> scribe: laufer

(Scribe set to Carlos Laufer)

11:58:42 <deirdrelee> ack yaso

Deirdre Lee: ack yaso

11:58:51 <phila> s/parcible/parsable/
11:58:56 <laufer> q+

q+

11:58:57 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

11:59:04 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

11:59:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

11:59:09 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to propose that the Why section of each BP be augmented with an aspect - some sort of icon

11:59:39 <laufer> phila: Why I think is not right, we have the why section and the inteded outcome

Phil Archer: Why I think is not right, we have the why section and the inteded outcome

12:00:10 <laufer> ... I do not want to change that, I think is useful to read the document

... I do not want to change that, I think is useful to read the document

12:00:31 <laufer> my problem with the proposal is in how it was written

my problem with the proposal is in how it was written

12:00:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

12:01:20 <phila> ack de

Phil Archer: ack de

12:01:33 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

12:02:23 <laufer> deirdrelee: if we add this idea, to be careful to not exclude other things

Deirdre Lee: if we add this idea, to be careful to not exclude other things

12:02:25 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

12:03:11 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:04:43 <laufer> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: it is not the case that all tjhe people will address all the bps all the time

Giancarlo Guizzardi: it is not the case that all the people will address all the bps all the time

12:05:09 <laufer> is a way to a criteria to use the bps

is a way to a criteria to use the bps

12:05:33 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

12:05:37 <deirdrelee> ack yaso

Deirdre Lee: ack yaso

12:06:07 <laufer> yaso: whan I said the document is huge, I do not nedd a benefict section

Yaso Córdova: whan I said the document is huge, I do not nedd a benefict section

12:06:31 <laufer> ...I like to first read the exmapls and then read the text

...I like to first read the exmapls and then read the text

12:06:57 <laufer> so just to say that sometimes is better to be simple

so just to say that sometimes is better to be simple

12:07:31 <laufer> ... I thinks we have examples in the document that can clarify these same idea of the aspects

... I thinks we have examples in the document that can clarify these same idea of the aspects

12:07:51 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:08:17 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: we are aware that we need more examples

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are aware that we need more examples

12:08:32 <newtoncalegari> s/tjhe/the
12:08:34 <laufer> ... phil said what I was in my mind

... phil said what I was in my mind

12:09:13 <laufer> I think for now we shoul keep the why and have a proposal for the classification and we see that this thins is a complementary thing or if it is redundanct

I think for now we should keep the why and have a proposal for the classification and we see that this thing is a complementary thing or if it is redundanct

12:09:14 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:09:23 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

12:09:36 <newtoncalegari> s/shoul keep/should keep
12:09:44 <laufer> deirdrelee: le´s go back to the proposal

Deirdre Lee: le´s go back to the proposal

12:10:00 <newtoncalegari> s/thins/thing
12:10:15 <phila> PROPOSED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)

PROPOSED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)

12:11:10 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

12:11:14 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

12:11:19 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

12:11:20 <laufer> +1

+1

12:11:21 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:11:22 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:11:25 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

12:11:29 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

12:11:30 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

12:11:34 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

12:11:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:11:53 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:12:07 <antoine> laufer: not sure the proposal is clear about the icons

Carlos Laufer: not sure the proposal is clear about the icons [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ]

12:12:13 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

12:12:13 <antoine> scribenick: antoine

(Scribe set to Antoine Isaac)

12:12:37 <antoine> +1

+1

12:12:38 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

12:12:45 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:12:46 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

12:12:46 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:12:48 <phila> RESOLVED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)

RESOLVED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)

12:12:55 <phila> RESOLUTION: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)

RESOLVED: That icons be added to each BP indicating the relevant aspect(s)

12:13:18 <antoine> deirdrelee: in the past months we've talked about maturity level

Deirdre Lee: in the past months we've talked about maturity level

12:13:20 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

12:13:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

12:13:27 <antoine> ... do the aspects replace the maturity levels?

... do the aspects replace the maturity levels?

12:13:37 <antoine> ... or are we keeping them as a separate idea?

... or are we keeping them as a separate idea?

12:13:57 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: annette has seen the discussion

Bernadette Farias Loscio: annette has seen the discussion

12:14:10 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

12:14:15 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

12:14:15 <antoine> ... we were not clear how to describe the maturity levels

... we were not clear how to describe the maturity levels

12:14:26 <antoine> ... levels for publisher, dataset, process...

... levels for publisher, dataset, process...

12:14:38 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

12:14:49 <antoine> ... there's a bit about it in the proposal above

... there's a bit about it in the proposal above

12:14:54 <antoine> ... but it's not clear to me

... but it's not clear to me

12:14:55 <antoine> yaso

yaso

12:15:03 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

12:15:29 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if you think of quality measure the name should be different (?)

Giancarlo Guizzardi: if you think of quality measure the name should be different (?)

12:15:45 <antoine> ... maturity gives the idea of something one can always do

... maturity gives the idea of something one can always do

12:15:48 <deirdrelee> ack yaso

Deirdre Lee: ack yaso

12:15:51 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0037.html

Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0037.html

12:16:20 <antoine> yaso: I was reading the thread

Yaso Córdova: I was reading the thread

12:16:33 <antoine> ... with laufer's proposal on MUST/SHOULD

... with laufer's proposal on MUST/SHOULD

12:16:41 <antoine> ... we have to find some way to stick to this

... we have to find some way to stick to this

12:16:47 <antoine> ... to substitute the RFC

... to substitute the RFC

12:16:51 <antoine> ... keywords

... keywords

12:16:55 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Ontologically Speaking, maturity sounds to me like a disposition to behave producing something with a certain quality. It does not make much sense to use to refer to an intrinsic characteristic of a product (the dataset)

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Ontologically Speaking, maturity sounds to me like a disposition to behave producing something with a certain quality. It does not make much sense to use to refer to an intrinsic characteristic of a product (the dataset)

12:17:03 <antoine> ... It's becoming bigger than it needs to be

... It's becoming bigger than it needs to be

12:17:15 <antoine> deirdrelee: does the thread address this?

Deirdre Lee: does the thread address this?

12:17:37 <deirdrelee> issue-146

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-146

12:17:37 <trackbot> issue-146 -- Which section of a BP should be normative? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-146 -- Which section of a BP should be normative? -- open

12:17:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146

12:17:55 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we agree to use RFC keywords

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we agree to use RFC keywords

12:18:13 <antoine> ... but I'm afraid we are not using it in the proper way

... but I'm afraid we are not using it in the proper way

12:18:48 <antoine> ... I'd like to know if the way we currently use them is ok

... I'd like to know if the way we currently use them is ok

12:18:54 <antoine> ... or if we need to change

... or if we need to change

12:19:03 <antoine> ... (about the titles of BPs)

... (about the titles of BPs)

12:19:24 <antoine> ... Annette doesn't agree with the use of keywords

... Annette doesn't agree with the use of keywords

12:19:28 <antoine> ... they are for systems

... they are for systems

12:19:46 <phila> q+ to express ambivalence

Phil Archer: q+ to express ambivalence

12:19:59 <antoine> ... We need a resolution

... We need a resolution

12:20:07 <antoine> ... from the group

... from the group

12:21:12 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04

12:21:52 <phila> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0119.html Annette's e-mail on this topic

Phil Archer: -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0119.html Annette's e-mail on this topic

12:22:04 <antoine> deirdrelee: the discussion was on SHOULD and MUST but there are other keywords (MAY etc)

Deirdre Lee: the discussion was on SHOULD and MUST but there are other keywords (MAY etc)

12:22:06 <BernadetteLoscio> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0077.html

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015May/0077.html

12:22:10 <antoine> ... laufer wanted to check this

... laufer wanted to check this

12:22:22 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:22:54 <antoine> phila: I don't entirely mind

Phil Archer: I don't entirely mind

12:23:08 <antoine> ... looking at other W3C BPs, none of them use RFC keywords

... looking at other W3C BPs, none of them use RFC keywords

12:23:29 <antoine> ... we would be unusual

... we would be unusual

12:23:39 <antoine> ... Hadley would probably want to keep them

... Hadley would probably want to keep them

12:23:46 <antoine> ... because it's a recommendation

... because it's a recommendation

12:23:56 <antoine> ... it's supposed to make statements about what to do

... it's supposed to make statements about what to do

12:24:05 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:24:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

12:24:09 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to express ambivalence

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to express ambivalence

12:24:14 <antoine> ... Maybe introducing the aspects would alleviate her concerns

... Maybe introducing the aspects would alleviate her concerns

12:24:25 <newtoncalegari> q+ to ask the difference between spec and rec?

Newton Calegari: q+ to ask the difference between spec and rec?

12:24:36 <antoine> deirdrelee: noone else does it for BP but they do it for other docs

Deirdre Lee: noone else does it for BP but they do it for other docs

12:24:48 <antoine> phila: yes as annette says it happens for specifying software

Phil Archer: yes as annette says it happens for specifying software

12:25:00 <antoine> ... But we don't have stric PASS/FAIL tests

... But we don't have sstrict PASS/FAIL tests

12:25:06 <antoine> s/tric/strict
12:25:27 <antoine> ... NobileWeb lists all kind of machine tests

... MobileWeb lists all kind of machine tests

12:25:28 <deirdrelee> Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead will create our own levels/maturity-model

Deirdre Lee: Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead will create our own levels/maturity-model

12:25:36 <newtoncalegari> q-

Newton Calegari: q-

12:25:36 <antoine> s/NobileWeb/MobileWeb
12:25:56 <antoine> phila: but even MobileWeb don't have RDF keywords

Phil Archer: but even MobileWeb don't have RDF keywords

12:26:20 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

12:26:24 <antoine> deirdrelee: is it ok if we replace 'levels' by 'aspects' in the proposal?

Deirdre Lee: is it ok if we replace 'levels' by 'aspects' in the proposal?

12:26:43 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we will work on the aspects and hope they can be used with the same results

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we will work on the aspects and hope they can be used with the same results

12:26:44 <antoine> q+

q+

12:26:51 <deirdrelee> Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead use aspects icons

Deirdre Lee: Remove the RFC2119 normative terms from the BP Document and instead use aspects icons

12:27:51 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

12:28:48 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

12:28:49 <nandana> +1 to antoine. I think they cover two different things.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to antoine. I think they cover two different things.

12:29:08 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:29:38 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

12:29:51 <phila> +1 to Antoine

Phil Archer: +1 to Antoine

12:30:25 <nandana> +q to say within the dimension there could be levels

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to say within the dimension there could be levels

12:30:49 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:30:49 <nandana> antoine++

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: antoine++

12:31:46 <laufer> q-

Carlos Laufer: q-

12:31:55 <phila> +1 to antoine (again)

Phil Archer: +1 to antoine (again)

12:31:59 <antoine> antoine: levels have the same function as keywords

Antoine Isaac: levels have the same function as keywords

12:32:07 <antoine> ... aspects have a different function

... aspects have a different function

12:32:25 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:32:28 <antoine> ... working on aspects is good (probably better) but it won't replace the levels/keywords

... working on aspects is good (probably better) but it won't replace the levels/keywords

12:32:29 <deirdrelee> ack nandana

Deirdre Lee: ack nandana

12:32:29 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to say within the dimension there could be levels

Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to say within the dimension there could be levels

12:32:33 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: agree

Bernadette Farias Loscio: agree

12:32:37 <antoine> nandana: same thing

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: same thing

12:32:50 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:33:01 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

12:33:07 <antoine> laufer: the question was about how to use MUST

Carlos Laufer: the question was about how to use MUST

12:33:27 <antoine> ... if we have a recommendation with a list of MUST

... if we have a recommendation with a list of MUST

12:33:34 <nandana> antoine, no probs. You said everything I wanted to say already.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: antoine, no probs. You said everything I wanted to say already.

12:33:41 <antoine> ... and someone publsihes data that doesn't conform to one

... and someone publsihes data that doesn't conform to one

12:33:47 <antoine> ... what does it mean?

... what does it mean?

12:33:58 <antoine> ... It's a same as the ODI certificated

... It's a same as the ODI certificates

12:34:19 <antoine> s/certificated/certificates
12:34:21 <antoine> q+

q+

12:34:23 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

12:34:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

12:34:37 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

12:34:50 <newtoncalegari> q-

Newton Calegari: q-

12:34:59 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

12:35:14 <antoine> laufer: we can't forbid data to be published that doesn't comply with the practice

Carlos Laufer: we can't forbid data to be published that doesn't comply with the practice

12:35:30 <antoine> antoine: RFC gives a clear compliance criteron

Antoine Isaac: RFC gives a clear compliance criteron

12:35:50 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: recommendations would carry different weight

Giancarlo Guizzardi: recommendations would carry different weight

12:35:59 <antoine> ... maybe in relation to the aspects.

... maybe in relation to the aspects.

12:36:16 <antoine> ... oOne BP has a MUST for one aspect and a SHOULD for another aspect

... One BP has a MUST for one aspect and a SHOULD for another aspect

12:36:23 <antoine> s/oOne/One
12:36:33 <antoine> ... I like the idea of design space

... I like the idea of design space

12:36:43 <antoine> ... things are not one-dimensional

... things are not one-dimensional

12:36:54 <antoine> ... people could comply to one aspect and not another

... people could comply to one aspect and not another

12:37:06 <antoine> ... so we'd have to relate the sue of keywords to aspects

... so we'd have to relate the sue of keywords to aspects

12:37:09 <phila> PROPOSED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc

PROPOSED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc

12:37:11 <antoine> ... and that's complicated

... and that's complicated

12:37:13 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

12:37:15 <yaso> ]+1

Yaso Córdova: ]+1

12:37:17 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

12:37:20 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:37:20 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

12:37:21 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

12:37:21 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

12:37:21 <antoine> +1

+1

12:37:30 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

12:37:32 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:37:34 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

12:37:38 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

12:37:38 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:37:39 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

12:37:40 <phila> Mr Bradner is upset

Phil Archer: Mr Bradner is upset

12:37:52 <phila> RESOLVED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc

RESOLVED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc

12:38:06 <phila> RESOLUTION: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc

RESOLVED: That RFC2119 keywords should be removed from the BP doc

12:38:23 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

12:38:31 <phila> close issue-146

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-146

12:38:31 <trackbot> Closed issue-146.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-146.

12:38:38 <phila> close action-197

Phil Archer: close ACTION-197

12:38:38 <trackbot> Closed action-197.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-197.

12:39:02 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari

Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari

12:39:29 <antoine> newtoncalegari: should we remove the words altogether?

Newton Calegari: should we remove the words altogether?

12:39:40 <antoine> deirdrelee: it's not the word just the capitalization

Deirdre Lee: it's not the word just the capitalization

12:39:48 <antoine> phila: be careful with what reSpec does

Phil Archer: be careful with what reSpec does

12:40:01 <deirdrelee> topic: Discuss the inclusion of a context section (20 min.)

2. Discuss the inclusion of a context section (20 min.)

12:40:28 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: there was a lot of discussion about data formats

Bernadette Farias Loscio: there was a lot of discussion about data formats

12:40:59 <Caroline_> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Caroline Burle: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

12:41:06 <deirdrelee> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#context

Deirdre Lee: //w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#context

12:41:21 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: I have tried to explain what is a dataset

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I have tried to explain what is a dataset

12:41:50 <antoine> ... yaso says the doc is huge: is it a good idea to include more?

... yaso says the doc is huge: is it a good idea to include more?

12:42:05 <Caroline_> s/http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning/http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#context
12:42:07 <antoine> ... it seemed a good idea to make it more precise what our context is

... it seemed a good idea to make it more precise what our context is

12:42:20 <antoine> ... i.e what we mean when we put data on the web.

... i.e what we mean when we put data on the web.

12:42:30 <antoine> ... there are additional things - metadata.

... there are additional things - metadata.

12:42:44 <antoine> ... We have values, and a set of metadata

... We have values, and a set of metadata

12:43:07 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:43:15 <antoine> ... we are based on web principles

... we are based on web principles

12:43:46 <antoine> deirdrelee: you're asking feedback on the text or diagram?

Deirdre Lee: you're asking feedback on the text or diagram?

12:43:58 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: ont he text, maybe there is redundance with the intro

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ont he text, maybe there is redundance with the intro

12:44:05 <antoine> ... it needs to be reviewed

... it needs to be reviewed

12:44:16 <antoine> ... Steve gave feedback.

... Steve gave feedback.

12:44:37 <antoine> ... Most important point: do we agree about giving meaning to what we talk about?

... Most important point: do we agree about giving meaning to what we talk about?

12:44:56 <antoine> ... cf comments on the web principles by eric XX

... cf comments on the web principles by eric XX

12:45:30 <antoine> deirdrelee: anything visual is helpful

Deirdre Lee: anything visual is helpful

12:45:41 <phila> s/xx/Wilde/

Phil Archer: s/xx/Wilde/ (warning: replacement failed)

12:46:01 <antoine> ... we have to be careful about the meaning of things in the diagram

... we have to be careful about the meaning of things in the diagram

12:46:09 <antoine> ... the general idea about giving context is nice

... the general idea about giving context is nice

12:46:26 <antoine> ... I had specific concerns abou the distinctions between metadata, info etc

... I had specific concerns abou the distinctions between metadata, info etc

12:46:32 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:46:46 <antoine> phila: I'm happy

Phil Archer: I'm happy

12:46:56 <antoine> ... this document makes a big effort on readability

... this document makes a big effort on readability

12:47:02 <antoine> ... diagrams are useful

... diagrams are useful

12:47:38 <antoine> deirdrelee: we can review it in the next week, once we agree with the general idea.

Deirdre Lee: we can review it in the next week, once we agree with the general idea.

12:47:40 <phila> PROPOSED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)

PROPOSED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)

12:47:47 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:47:49 <antoine> +1

+1

12:47:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:47:50 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

12:47:55 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

12:48:00 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:48:00 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

12:48:09 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:48:10 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

12:48:44 <phila> RESOLVED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)

RESOLVED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)

12:48:48 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:48:53 <phila> RESOLUTION: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)

RESOLVED: To retain the context section (which, like all of the doc, is open to review)

12:48:59 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: 'Aspect' is a bad word

Giancarlo Guizzardi: 'Aspect' is a bad word

12:49:05 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

12:49:09 <deirdrelee> +1 to Gisele

Deirdre Lee: +1 to Gisele

12:49:19 <antoine> ... I would use either quality dimension or crtieria

... I would use either quality dimension or crtieria

12:49:22 <deirdrelee> s/gisele/giancarlo
12:50:08 <antoine> deirdrelee: maybe we don't have to use the word at all

Deirdre Lee: maybe we don't have to use the word at all

12:50:17 <antoine> phila: we are using many words

Phil Archer: we are using many words

12:50:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to don't use the word at all .. :)

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to don't use the word at all .. :)

12:50:36 <antoine> deirdrelee: if we keep a connection with DQV then it makes sense to use dimension

Deirdre Lee: if we keep a connection with DQV then it makes sense to use dimension

12:50:40 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

12:50:56 <deirdrelee> topic: Discuss the glossary creation (should be a section or another document) and resolve open issues/actions (20 min.)

3. Discuss the glossary creation (should be a section or another document) and resolve open issues/actions (20 min.)

12:51:02 <phila> Topic: The Glossary

4. The Glossary

12:51:11 <phila> action-148?

Phil Archer: ACTION-148?

12:51:11 <trackbot> action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

12:51:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148

12:51:24 <phila> action-154?

Phil Archer: ACTION-154?

12:51:25 <trackbot> action-154 -- Yaso Córdova to Add the definitions of dataset, vocabulary and metadata in the glossary, noting that the boundaries are not always distinct (or helpful). -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-154 -- Yaso Córdova to Add the definitions of dataset, vocabulary and metadata in the glossary, noting that the boundaries are not always distinct (or helpful). -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

12:51:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/154

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/154

12:51:32 <phila> action-159?

Phil Archer: ACTION-159?

12:51:32 <trackbot> action-159 -- Christophe Gueret to Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-159 -- Christophe Gueret to Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN

12:51:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/159

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/159

12:51:39 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: is it going to be a separate doc? A note?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: is it going to be a separate doc? A note?

12:51:43 <phila> action-174?

Phil Archer: ACTION-174?

12:51:43 <trackbot> action-174 -- Ig Ibert Bittencourt Santana Pinto to Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-174 -- Ig Ibert Bittencourt Santana Pinto to Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN

12:51:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/174

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/174

12:51:57 <antoine> ... we have a lot of stuff

... we have a lot of stuff

12:52:04 <antoine> ... we need to check how we are going to do this

... we need to check how we are going to do this

12:52:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Could you provide a link to the glossary ?

Riccardo Albertoni: Could you provide a link to the glossary ?

12:52:30 <antoine> yaso: we already decided it was going to be a separate doc

Yaso Córdova: we already decided it was going to be a separate doc

12:52:53 <antoine> yaso: it's on github

Yaso Córdova: it's on github

12:53:13 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:53:18 <yaso> https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html

Yaso Córdova: https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html

12:53:34 <yaso> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp

Yaso Córdova: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp

12:53:52 <antoine> ... I have 2/3 actions on adding definitions there

... I have 2/3 actions on adding definitions there

12:53:59 <antoine> ... standard, dataset, vocabulary, metadata

... standard, dataset, vocabulary, metadata

12:54:13 <antoine> ... Ig also had an action to define citation, data producer, publisher...

... Ig also had an action to define citation, data producer, publisher...

12:54:28 <antoine> ... christophe already made his changes

... christophe already made his changes

12:54:51 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: it should be published next to the next BP draft

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it should be published next to the next BP draft

12:54:54 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

12:54:56 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

12:55:00 <antoine> yaso: yes

Yaso Córdova: yes

12:55:17 <antoine> ... but I can't find the decision

... but I can't find the decision

12:55:24 <antoine> ... these actions should be closed

... these actions should be closed

12:55:41 <antoine> ... we have to review the definitions

... we have to review the definitions

12:55:42 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:55:46 <phila> Notes that action-174 has been completed

Phil Archer: Notes that ACTION-174 has been completed

12:55:59 <phila> Also action 159 has been completed

Phil Archer: Also ACTION-159 has been completed

12:56:02 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: the work on glossary needs to be done in parallel with the BP doc

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the work on glossary needs to be done in parallel with the BP doc

12:56:18 <antoine> q+

q+

12:56:33 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

12:56:43 <antoine> phila: how many more defintions are expected to be added?

Phil Archer: how many more defintions are expected to be added?

12:56:54 <antoine> ... Not very many, probably

... Not very many, probably

12:57:05 <yaso> +1 to phila

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila

12:57:05 <antoine> ... If it's nearly complete, it can be an annex of the BP doc

... If it's nearly complete, it can be an annex of the BP doc

12:57:17 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

12:57:29 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari

Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari

12:57:31 <antoine> ... this would make it easy

... this would make it easy

12:57:48 <antoine> newtoncalegari: if it's a separate we'll have the same problem as the enrichment doc

Newton Calegari: if it's a separate we'll have the same problem as the enrichment doc

12:58:01 <antoine> phila: if there's a lot of terms then it makes sense to be separate

Phil Archer: if there's a lot of terms then it makes sense to be separate

12:58:27 <antoine> ... yaso said we decided to publish separately

... yaso said we decided to publish separately

12:58:32 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

12:58:37 <yaso> I agree that it can be with the document

Yaso Córdova: I agree that it can be with the document

12:59:06 <phila> antoine: If the glossary exists, we can move some of the text from the main document

Antoine Isaac: If the glossary exists, we can move some of the text from the main document [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

12:59:37 <antoine> phila: but I don't think we need to publish separately

Phil Archer: but I don't think we need to publish separately

12:59:50 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:59:55 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we can check if there are definitions that are in both glossary and main text

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can check if there are definitions that are in both glossary and main text

13:00:12 <antoine> ... For the next draft we can move the definitions in the main draft and then review.

... For the next draft we can move the definitions in the main draft and then review.

13:00:30 <antoine> ... Also judge (seeing the size) if it needs to be a separate note

... Also judge (seeing the size) if it needs to be a separate note

13:00:46 <antoine> laufer: has the glossary got terms from the BP doc or the vocs as well?

Carlos Laufer: has the glossary got terms from the BP doc or the vocs as well?

13:01:02 <antoine> ... if we have terms from DUV/DQV then we need separate docs

... if we have terms from DUV/DQV then we need separate docs

13:01:09 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: it's just for the BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's just for the BP

13:01:31 <antoine> yaso: it's small

Caroline Burle: it's small

13:01:59 <antoine> q+

q+

13:02:04 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

13:02:06 <newtoncalegari> s/yaso: it's small/Caroline_: it's small
13:02:15 <phila> PROPOSAL: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex

PROPOSED: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex

13:02:24 <antoine> +1

+1

13:02:26 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:02:29 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:02:31 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:02:31 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:02:33 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

13:02:35 <phila> antoine: I can easily point from the DQV to the BP doc terms if needed

Antoine Isaac: I can easily point from the DQV to the BP doc terms if needed [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:02:37 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:02:45 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:02:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:03:08 <phila> action: calegari to incorporate the glossary in the BP document

ACTION: calegari to incorporate the glossary in the BP document

13:03:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Incorporate the glossary in the bp document [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-206 - Incorporate the glossary in the bp document [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-10-02].

13:03:12 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex

RESOLVED: The the terms defined at https://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html be incorporated into the BP document as an annex

13:03:35 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

13:03:35 <antoine> phila: yaso have you used specific markup?

Phil Archer: yaso have you used specific markup?

13:03:36 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:03:38 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

13:03:39 <antoine> yaso: I did

Yaso Córdova: I did

13:03:41 <antoine> q-

q-

13:03:45 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari

Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari

13:04:06 <PeterWinstanley> q+

Peter Winstanley: q+

13:04:27 <newtoncalegari> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers

Newton Calegari: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers

13:04:32 <antoine> newtoncalegari: I;ve merged a few changed int he data identification section.

Newton Calegari: I;ve merged a few changed int he data identification section.

13:05:13 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley

Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley

13:05:42 <antoine> phila: action 148 is not clear

Phil Archer: ACTION-148 is not done

13:05:54 <newtoncalegari> action-148

Newton Calegari: ACTION-148

13:05:54 <trackbot> action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

13:05:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148

13:05:54 <antoine> s/clear/done
13:05:59 <phila> close action-154

Phil Archer: close ACTION-154

13:05:59 <trackbot> Closed action-154.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-154.

13:06:06 <phila> close action-159

Phil Archer: close ACTION-159

13:06:06 <trackbot> Closed action-159.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-159.

13:06:11 <phila> close action-174

Phil Archer: close ACTION-174

13:06:11 <trackbot> Closed action-174.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-174.

13:06:41 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:06:41 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: I'd like to discuss the previous topic (?)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like to discuss the previous topic (?)

13:06:54 <antoine> ... related to Eric Wilde's message - hyperlinks etc

... related to Eric Wilde's message - hyperlinks etc

13:07:06 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:07:12 <antoine> ... I've answered his message and we had a lot of discussion

... I've answered his message and we had a lot of discussion

13:07:19 <antoine> ... but I don't know how to handle this

... but I don't know how to handle this

13:07:27 <antoine> ... should we had a best practice on this?

... should we had a best practice on this?

13:07:38 <antoine> ... (ie on links between resources and datasets)

... (ie on links between resources and datasets)

13:08:13 <adrianov> scribe: adrianov

(Scribe set to Adriano Veloso)

13:08:16 <antoine> scribenick: adrianov
13:08:45 <adrianov> yaso: should wait for annette for discussing other BP issues

Yaso Córdova: should wait for annette for discussing other BP issues

13:09:02 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: I am not thinking about the APIs

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I am not thinking about the APIs

13:09:45 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Aug/0003.html

Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Aug/0003.html

13:09:57 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: It is just to have an idea on how to handle this (API discussion)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is just to have an idea on how to handle this (API discussion)

13:10:03 <phila> q+ to make a proposal

Phil Archer: q+ to make a proposal

13:10:11 <deirdrelee> ACK yaso

Deirdre Lee: ACK yaso

13:10:13 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:10:13 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a proposal

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a proposal

13:10:17 <adrianov> yaso: this is not a simple issue, and demands more time for discussion

Yaso Córdova: this is not a simple issue, and demands more time for discussion

13:11:54 <adrianov> phila: a possible proposal is considering changing the name of the document

Phil Archer: a possible proposal is considering changing the name of the document

13:12:08 <adrianov> ... publishing data on the web

... publishing data on the web

13:12:34 <adrianov> phila: we need someway to be confortable on not talking about some things

Phil Archer: we need someway to be confortable on not talking about some things

13:13:03 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

13:13:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

13:14:14 <phila> present+ PeterWinstanley

Phil Archer: present+ PeterWinstanley

13:16:04 <Sumit_Purohit_> present+ Sumit_Purohit_

Sumit Purohit: present+ Sumit_Purohit_

13:20:11 <Sumit_Purohit_> someone has to use photoshop and add me in that pic :-)

Sumit Purohit: someone has to use photoshop and add me in that pic :-)

13:26:10 <vagner> q?

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Vagner Diniz: q?

13:26:36 <vagner> d:)

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13:30:00 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:30:20 <annette_g> present+ annette_g

Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g

13:31:54 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: the last topic is timetable and there is one open issue which is data enrichment

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the last topic is timetable and there is one open issue which is data enrichment

13:32:06 <adrianov> ... there is an open issue raised by annette

... there is an open issue raised by annette

13:32:20 <adrianov> ... then we can move to timetable and next steps

... then we can move to timetable and next steps

13:32:52 <deirdrelee> issue-196

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-196

13:32:52 <trackbot> issue-196 -- Data enrichment -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-196 -- Data enrichment -- open

13:32:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/196

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/196

13:33:02 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: issue to be discussed now is 196

Bernadette Farias Loscio: issue to be discussed now is 196

13:33:33 <adrianov> ... it is important to remember that data enrichment is gonna to be in a separate note, as a member submission

... it is important to remember that data enrichment is gonna to be in a separate note, as a member submission

13:34:00 <Caroline_> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

13:34:11 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:34:12 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_

Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline_

13:34:15 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ W3C Member Submissions

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ W3C Member Submissions

13:34:30 <adrianov> Caroline_: will we keep this on the BP?

Caroline Burle: will we keep this on the BP?

13:34:30 <deirdrelee> ack yaso

Deirdre Lee: ack yaso

13:34:50 <Gisele> q+

Gisele Pappa: q+

13:35:00 <adrianov> yaso: write some use cases about data enrichment, and separate two challenges to be also discussed

Yaso Córdova: write some use cases about data enrichment, and separate two challenges to be also discussed

13:35:01 <Caroline_> ack Caroline_

Caroline Burle: ack Caroline_

13:35:07 <Caroline_> ack yaso

Caroline Burle: ack yaso

13:35:28 <adrianov> ... data enrichment is a common procedure which also appears in Web data

... data enrichment is a common procedure which also appears in Web data

13:35:32 <deirdrelee> ack Gisele

Deirdre Lee: ack Gisele

13:35:39 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:35:56 <adrianov> Gisele: we looked at the document and we have five challenges and use cases

Gisele Pappa: we looked at the document and we have five challenges and use cases

13:36:11 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

13:36:36 <adrianov> annette_g: data enrichment is not only on data but also on metadata

Annette Greiner: data enrichment is not only on data but also on metadata

13:36:59 <adrianov> phila: close the issue and open an action

Phil Archer: close the issue and open an action

13:37:04 <phila> close issue-196

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-196

13:37:04 <trackbot> Closed issue-196.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-196.

13:37:12 <adrianov> ... action for gisele

... action for gisele

13:37:36 <phila> action: Gisele to modify the Data Enrichment Best Practice to cover data as well as metadata

ACTION: Gisele to modify the Data Enrichment Best Practice to cover data as well as metadata

13:37:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Modify the data enrichment best practice to cover data as well as metadata [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-207 - Modify the data enrichment best practice to cover data as well as metadata [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-10-02].

13:37:41 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: we should start the discussion about the next steps and timetable

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should start the discussion about the next steps and timetable

13:37:44 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:37:45 <Caroline_> Discuss the DWBP timetable and the next steps

Caroline Burle: Discuss the DWBP timetable and the next steps

13:37:53 <Caroline_> What should be done to improve the document?

Caroline Burle: What should be done to improve the document?

13:37:54 <adrianov> ... we are unsure about the dates

... we are unsure about the dates

13:38:03 <Caroline_> Get ideas for the implementation phase

Caroline Burle: Get ideas for the implementation phase

13:38:12 <adrianov> ... a first draft should be finished about the next month

... a first draft should be finished about the next month

13:38:20 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:38:31 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:39:01 <deirdrelee> bp timetable: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft

Deirdre Lee: bp timetable: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft

13:39:21 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

13:39:37 <adrianov> annette_g: I have a proposal for erick raised by issues

Annette Greiner: I have a proposal for erick raised by issues

13:40:12 <yaso> +1 to annette_g

Yaso Córdova: +1 to annette_g

13:40:35 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: could you right or send message about your proposal?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: could you right or send message about your proposal?

13:40:38 <adrianov> annette_g: sure

Annette Greiner: sure

13:40:39 <Caroline_> Long term timetable https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview

Caroline Burle: Long term timetable https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview

13:40:42 <phila> annette_g: I've written some draft BPs on linkable data that I hope address some of what Erik Wilde was raising and I'll discuss them with him

Annette Greiner: I've written some draft BPs on linkable data that I hope address some of what Erik Wilde was raising and I'll discuss them with him [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:41:32 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: we would like to review dates and procedures

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we would like to review dates and procedures

13:41:55 <adrianov> ... discuss next steps and how to get feedback

... discuss next steps and how to get feedback

13:42:26 <adrianov> deirdrelee: lets look to timetable now

Deirdre Lee: lets look to timetable now

13:42:46 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: our proposal is to publish the next draft around 25th october

Bernadette Farias Loscio: our proposal is to publish the next draft around 25th october

13:43:07 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:43:19 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: one of the phase was removed

Bernadette Farias Loscio: one of the phase was removed

13:44:47 <adrianov> phila: we are expected to have one more f2f meeting

Phil Archer: we are expected to have one more f2f meeting

13:45:16 <adrianov> ... tell us about implementation experiences

... tell us about implementation experiences

13:45:21 <phila> -> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1 Share-PSI implementayion

Phil Archer: -> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1 Share-PSI implementayion

13:45:40 <adrianov> ... not suggesting this is what we have to do, it is just a suggestion

... not suggesting this is what we have to do, it is just a suggestion

13:46:36 <adrianov> ... whether the guidelines they offer are consistent with us

... whether the guidelines they offer are consistent with us

13:46:48 <adrianov> ... we need to have some evidence of implementation

... we need to have some evidence of implementation

13:46:57 <adrianov> ... experiences of implementation

... experiences of implementation

13:47:36 <adrianov> ... have to specify all the criteria

... have to specify all the criteria

13:48:08 <adrianov> ... have to prove that we did all we have said that would be done

... have to prove that we did all we have said that would be done

13:48:49 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

13:49:27 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: candidate document on beginning of december

Bernadette Farias Loscio: candidate document on beginning of december

13:49:52 <adrianov> phila: december or january does not make much difference

Phil Archer: december or january does not make much difference

13:50:10 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview

13:50:48 <nandana> annette_g, I think you need to give access to the doc.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: annette_g, I think you need to give access to the doc.

13:51:53 <adrianov> phila: end of candidate recommendation should be march

Phil Archer: end of candidate recommendation should be march

13:53:40 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_

Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_

13:53:45 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: if we go for a candidate recommendation on december we will have another document in the begging of next year

Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we go for a candidate recommendation on december we will have another document in the begging of next year

13:54:26 <adrianov> phila: not expecting an organization to implement or follow all BPs

Phil Archer: not expecting an organization to implement or follow all BPs

13:54:35 <Caroline_> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

13:54:46 <adrianov> ... next version is due to next month some time

... next version is due to next month some time

13:55:18 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: I think we will still have a lot of open issues, and also a lot to write and review

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we will still have a lot of open issues, and also a lot to write and review

13:55:38 <adrianov> ... examples to be included, and quality dimensions, classification, context section, glossary etc.

... examples to be included, and quality dimensions, classification, context section, glossary etc.

13:55:46 <adrianov> ... review BPs and tests

... review BPs and tests

13:56:44 <adrianov> phila: deadline for the last cool version of the document is middle november

Phil Archer: deadline for the last call version of the document is middle november

13:56:54 <adrianov> ... last week of november

... last week of november

13:57:09 <phila> s/cool/call/
13:58:13 <adrianov> phila: will update the timetable

Phil Archer: will update the timetable

14:00:11 <annette_g> * all the versions are cool *

Annette Greiner: * all the versions are cool *

14:02:56 <ericstephan> ericstephan present+

Eric Stephan: ericstephan present+

14:04:02 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:04:07 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable#Overview

14:04:15 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_

Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline_

14:04:39 <adrianov> Caroline_: phila, when should we have to prove that the test was done, a document?

Caroline Burle: phila, when should we have to prove that the test was done, a document?

14:05:22 <adrianov> phila: must provide details on how BPs were implemented

Phil Archer: must provide details on how BPs were implemented

14:06:02 <adrianov> ... prove everything is done, and show evidence about the implementation

... prove everything is done, and show evidence about the implementation

14:06:24 <adrianov> ... some changes is usually required at this point

... some changes is usually required at this point

14:07:14 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

14:07:14 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: what happens during candidate recommendation period?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: what happens during candidate recommendation period?

14:07:30 <adrianov> phila: it is important that you get feedback from the group

Phil Archer: it is important that you get feedback from the group

14:07:42 <adrianov> phila: feedback about BP implementations

Phil Archer: feedback about BP implementations

14:08:29 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: imlementations should be done bettwen november and march

Bernadette Farias Loscio: imlementations should be done bettwen november and march

14:08:49 <Caroline_> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

14:09:01 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_

Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline_

14:09:17 <adrianov> Caroline_: phila could you include that officialy?

Caroline Burle: phila could you include that officialy?

14:10:56 <adrianov> phila: meet in Zagreb for checking BP implementations

Phil Archer: meet in Zagreb for checking BP implementations

14:11:40 <yaso> seems ok

Yaso Córdova: seems ok

14:12:21 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: happy with the result of the F2F

Bernadette Farias Loscio: happy with the result of the F2F

14:12:23 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

14:12:54 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

14:13:13 <Caroline_> Please take a look at Other Open Issues - To be discussed/closed before the F2F or if we have time during the F2F

Caroline Burle: Please take a look at Other Open Issues - To be discussed/closed before the F2F or if we have time during the F2F

14:13:18 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: we have some open issues. reponsibles should take a look and check for necessary discussions.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have some open issues. reponsibles should take a look and check for necessary discussions.

14:15:12 <laufer> bye all

Carlos Laufer: bye all

14:15:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> goodbye laufer ..

Riccardo Albertoni: goodbye laufer ..

14:15:15 <nandana> bye laufer !!

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye laufer !!

14:15:22 <adrianov> deirdrelee: end of the BP session

Deirdre Lee: end of the BP session

14:15:32 <adrianov> ... moving to DUV

... moving to DUV

14:15:40 <phila> Topic: Dataset Usage Vocabulary

5. Dataset Usage Vocabulary

14:15:47 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:15:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

14:16:58 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV

Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV

14:17:16 <phila> present+ ericstephan

Phil Archer: present+ ericstephan

14:17:18 <ericstephan> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit?usp=sharing

Eric Stephan: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit?usp=sharing

14:17:34 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: let's start with slides

Bernadette Farias Loscio: let's start with slides [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

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14:18:00 <Sumit_Purohit_> present+ Sumit_Purohit_

Sumit Purohit: present+ Sumit_Purohit_

14:18:07 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: one of the challenges with DUV is thinking about data usage

Eric Stephan: one of the challenges with DUV is thinking about data usage [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:19:24 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:19:47 <PeterWinstanley> ...DUV has changed a lot since last F2F

Peter Winstanley: ...DUV has changed a lot since last F2F

14:19:53 <newtoncalegari> A short URL in case you're going to type https://goo.gl/2lJXaj

Newton Calegari: A short URL in case you're going to type https://goo.gl/2lJXaj

14:19:57 <PeterWinstanley> Slide #2 shows the eveolved DUV model

Peter Winstanley: Slide #2 shows the eveolved DUV model

14:20:09 <PeterWinstanley> slide '3 has the major components

Peter Winstanley: slide '3 has the major components

14:20:38 <PeterWinstanley> ...core was DCAT :Dataset - when thinking about usage we're thinking about the dataset or distribution

Peter Winstanley: ...core was DCAT :Dataset - when thinking about usage we're thinking about the dataset or distribution

14:20:49 <PeterWinstanley> ...what can operate on the dataset

Peter Winstanley: ...what can operate on the dataset

14:20:59 <PeterWinstanley> ...feedback is looking at community responses

Peter Winstanley: ...feedback is looking at community responses

14:21:12 <PeterWinstanley> ...citation is looking at references to the dataset - formal or informal

Peter Winstanley: ...citation is looking at references to the dataset - formal or informal

14:22:52 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide #4 - is how a digital citizen examines a dataset and perhaps collaborates with others using tools that are readily available.  This would use something that Sumit_Purohit_  developed to help scientists discover datasets they might not be aware of

Peter Winstanley: ...slide #4 - is how a digital citizen examines a dataset and perhaps collaborates with others using tools that are readily available. This would use something that Sumit_Purohit_ developed to help scientists discover datasets they might not be aware of

14:23:14 <PeterWinstanley> ...I might want to look at particular types of datasets that I want to examine with this tool

Peter Winstanley: ...I might want to look at particular types of datasets that I want to examine with this tool

14:23:30 <PeterWinstanley> ...http://rdesc.org provides illustrations

Peter Winstanley: ...http://rdesc.org provides illustrations

14:24:02 <PeterWinstanley> ...the distribution is the actual file that I'm interested in

Peter Winstanley: ...the distribution is the actual file that I'm interested in

14:25:11 <PeterWinstanley> ...from a DUV perspective the first thought is describing the dataset (breaking some BP rules, but for the point of illustration) I'm calling the dataset directly (slide#7) but it would be better to have a list of search results (slide#6)

Peter Winstanley: ...from a DUV perspective the first thought is describing the dataset (breaking some BP rules, but for the point of illustration) I'm calling the dataset directly (slide#7) but it would be better to have a list of search results (slide#6)

14:25:52 <PeterWinstanley> ... the actual data file, in the case of the DUV, would be described in terms of dataset and distribution.

Peter Winstanley: ... the actual data file, in the case of the DUV, would be described in terms of dataset and distribution.

14:26:55 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#9 The DUV allows me to describe a file that I can use to manipulate the dataset

Peter Winstanley: ...slide#9 The DUV allows me to describe a file that I can use to manipulate the dataset

14:27:34 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#10 shows a blank screen and provides a dead end (typical when deling with arbitrary data on the web) so

Peter Winstanley: ...slide#10 shows a blank screen and provides a dead end (typical when deling with arbitrary data on the web) so

14:28:30 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#11 shows the ability to provide feedback giving narrative about what I did and what I needed to note in terms of important info

Peter Winstanley: ...slide#11 shows the ability to provide feedback giving narrative about what I did and what I needed to note in terms of important info

14:29:12 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#12  I need to know the credibility of the resource (readme files, technical publications, references etc)

Peter Winstanley: ...slide#12 I need to know the credibility of the resource (readme files, technical publications, references etc)

14:29:30 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#13 shows the use of DUV to reference these materials

Peter Winstanley: ...slide#13 shows the use of DUV to reference these materials

14:30:24 <PeterWinstanley> ...slide#14 shows the DUV is able to hold all this background information that I currently keep in my head or a notebook, so it provides a mechanism for enriching search resources

Peter Winstanley: ...slide#14 shows the DUV is able to hold all this background information that I currently keep in my head or a notebook, so it provides a mechanism for enriching search resources

14:31:12 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html

Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html

14:32:09 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: There are only a few issues, but we can discuss the model

Bernadette Farias Loscio: There are only a few issues, but we can discuss the model [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:33:29 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: walking through the document from top to bottom:  one aspect is the use of code from existing application to provide a simple way of showing different RDF serialisations: t=turtle, j=json-ld etc

Eric Stephan: walking through the document from top to bottom: one aspect is the use of code from existing application to provide a simple way of showing different RDF serialisations: t=turtle, j=json-ld etc [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:33:42 <phila> The j/t switch appeals to my inner geek

Phil Archer: The j/t switch appeals to my inner geek

14:34:55 <nandana> +1. it is quite nice. Having example in JSON-LD would be quite appealing to some readers.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1. it is quite nice. Having example in JSON-LD would be quite appealing to some readers.

14:35:03 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:35:11 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: the one thing that concerns me is that we need to ensure that blank nodes etc are fixed and to ensure that we provide a good json-ld rendering

Eric Stephan: the one thing that concerns me is that we need to ensure that blank nodes etc are fixed and to ensure that we provide a good json-ld rendering [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:36:42 <PeterWinstanley> phila: querying the blank node in prov:association

Phil Archer: querying the blank node in prov:association [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:36:50 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: something we need to check on

Eric Stephan: something we need to check on [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:37:14 <PeterWinstanley> ...i think it is a reflection of the turtle

Peter Winstanley: ...i think it is a reflection of the turtle

14:37:55 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:38:05 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:38:43 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

14:38:52 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: wondering - it's possible to return information back to the dataset owner, but by what mechanism?  there's a value in annotations, but that depends on an ecosystem that provides a route back to the published

Annette Greiner: wondering - it's possible to return information back to the dataset owner, but by what mechanism? there's a value in annotations, but that depends on an ecosystem that provides a route back to the published [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:39:04 <ericstephan> Mozilla Science Lab, Share PSI, US Department of Energy Advanced Scientific Computing Research (ASRC), Force 11 Citations Implementations, Provenance (IPAW), PROV, Open Annotation vocabulary, Research Data Alliance

Eric Stephan: Mozilla Science Lab, Share PSI, US Department of Energy Advanced Scientific Computing Research (ASRC), Force 11 Citations Implementations, Provenance (IPAW), PROV, Open Annotation vocabulary, Research Data Alliance

14:39:08 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: that's an area that needs different communities to input on

Eric Stephan: that's an area that needs different communities to input on [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:39:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:39:30 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

14:39:47 <PeterWinstanley> ...we might get input from the communities mentioned

Peter Winstanley: ...we might get input from the communities mentioned

14:40:40 <phila> q+ to talk about notifications

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about notifications

14:41:46 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_

Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_

14:41:52 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: as the job is to develop the vocab we don't need to consider how it might be used, but it is worth considering so that we don't do anything incompatible with future generations

Annette Greiner: as the job is to develop the vocab we don't need to consider how it might be used, but it is worth considering so that we don't do anything incompatible with future generations [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:42:36 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:43:05 <PeterWinstanley> Sumit_Purohit_: to answer your question: we do expect the publisher to provide some mechanism.  in the early days of rdesc we thought about semantic mediawiki pages linked off the dataset info.  it goes back to the implementation part.  perhaps at the time of candidate phase we'll be able to come up with an implementation

Sumit Purohit: to answer your question: we do expect the publisher to provide some mechanism. in the early days of rdesc we thought about semantic mediawiki pages linked off the dataset info. it goes back to the implementation part. perhaps at the time of candidate phase we'll be able to come up with an implementation [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:43:10 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

14:43:18 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: we have 2 BP related to feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have 2 BP related to feedback [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:43:36 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

14:44:36 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: still on feedback, and recalling yesterday's discusision on feedback as quality statements, it would be good to include these.  Sometimes it is not too realistic (we can't oblige people) but it would be useful to specify some terms

Giancarlo Guizzardi: still on feedback, and recalling yesterday's discusision on feedback as quality statements, it would be good to include these. Sometimes it is not too realistic (we can't oblige people) but it would be useful to specify some terms [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:45:29 <PeterWinstanley> ...another point: related to activity and the relation to resource and agent. the idea is to reuse as much as possible, but rfom a modeliing perspective we are looking to reify an agent with the resource used

Peter Winstanley: ...another point: related to activity and the relation to resource and agent. the idea is to reuse as much as possible, but rfom a modeliing perspective we are looking to reify an agent with the resource used

14:46:03 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

14:46:25 <PeterWinstanley> ...this is a 1:1 relation so the the activity is the event of usage and this event could be looked at from the agent perspective or from the resouce perspective

Peter Winstanley: ...this is a 1:1 relation so the the activity is the event of usage and this event could be looked at from the agent perspective or from the resouce perspective

14:46:38 <PeterWinstanley> ...it's an overkill to reify all of these

Peter Winstanley: ...it's an overkill to reify all of these

14:46:55 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: do you have a recommendataion?

Eric Stephan: do you have a recommendataion? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:47:12 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: is my assumption of 1:1 relation correct?

Giancarlo Guizzardi: is my assumption of 1:1 relation correct? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:47:24 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: that's right

Eric Stephan: that's right [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:47:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:47:53 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I would fuse activity, association and usage into a single concept

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I would fuse activity, association and usage into a single concept [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:48:16 <PeterWinstanley> ...from a modelling point of view we have made it more complex than it need be

Peter Winstanley: ...from a modelling point of view we have made it more complex than it need be

14:48:49 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: the main motivation for this is prov reuse; usage is prov:activity

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the main motivation for this is prov reuse; usage is prov:activity [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:48:56 <PeterWinstanley> ...but this is another option

Peter Winstanley: ...but this is another option

14:49:17 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I am just showing the trade off.  re-using prov provides more tuples

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I am just showing the trade off. re-using prov provides more tuples [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:49:20 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:50:07 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan: hand crafting examples was not easy. there were pieces I needed to put to gether to provide roles.  we didn't want to reinvent, we wanted to reuse.

Eric Stephan: hand crafting examples was not easy. there were pieces I needed to put to gether to provide roles. we didn't want to reinvent, we wanted to reuse. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:50:24 <PeterWinstanley> ...this is the results of working through that

Peter Winstanley: ...this is the results of working through that

14:50:36 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley

Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley

14:50:37 <nandana> +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45

14:50:37 <PeterWinstanley> ...wokring with prov required extra thinking to use

Peter Winstanley: ...wokring with prov required extra thinking to use

14:50:38 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

14:50:38 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about notifications

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about notifications

14:50:55 <PeterWinstanley> phila: practicality/usage: any vocab is requiring tooling

Phil Archer: practicality/usage: any vocab is requiring tooling [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:51:02 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/PR-notifications-20150910/

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/PR-notifications-20150910/

14:51:07 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/

14:51:46 <PeterWinstanley> ...possible routes: "notifications" and "activity streams" - tool chains to cover things like 'like' in twitter/facebook

Peter Winstanley: ...possible routes: "notifications" and "activity streams" - tool chains to cover things like 'like' in twitter/facebook

14:52:16 <PeterWinstanley> ...the tool could alert the owner of the data when usage/feedback info is created by a user

Peter Winstanley: ...the tool could alert the owner of the data when usage/feedback info is created by a user

14:52:22 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:52:36 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:53:36 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: Sumit_Purohit_ mentioned the idea of a publisher wanting to gather usage and they would create a wiki:  probably not practical; plain text might be more practical.

Annette Greiner: Sumit_Purohit_ mentioned the idea of a publisher wanting to gather usage and they would create a wiki: probably not practical; plain text might be more practical. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:54:13 <PeterWinstanley> ...a better way to get detailed description is where data is re-used to make part of the re-usage do the reporting back.

Peter Winstanley: ...a better way to get detailed description is where data is re-used to make part of the re-usage do the reporting back.

14:54:29 <PeterWinstanley> ...difference between looking and re-using

Peter Winstanley: ...difference between looking and re-using

14:54:47 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:54:52 <PeterWinstanley> ...counting hits on a dataset is different from determining re-use/re-purposing

Peter Winstanley: ...counting hits on a dataset is different from determining re-use/re-purposing

14:54:53 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

14:55:42 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: all the pieces we have available in DUV should be available for usage as annotations.  at present they are restricted to fedeback, but they should also be used with e.g. citation

Annette Greiner: all the pieces we have available in DUV should be available for usage as annotations. at present they are restricted to fedeback, but they should also be used with e.g. citation [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:55:49 <deirdrelee> ack u

Deirdre Lee: ack u

14:55:51 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_

Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_

14:56:14 <PeterWinstanley> Sumit_Purohit_: annette_g point is valid:  3 of us from the vocab team will reply collectively

Sumit Purohit: annette_g point is valid: 3 of us from the vocab team will reply collectively [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:56:43 <PeterWinstanley> ...giancarlo's point about feedback, we've thought about it using citation characterisaiotn features

Peter Winstanley: ...giancarlo's point about feedback, we've thought about it using citation characterisaiotn features

14:56:51 <ericstephan_> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:56:58 <PeterWinstanley> ... BernadetteLoscio:  can explain

Peter Winstanley: ... BernadetteLoscio: can explain

14:57:25 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: this is related to yesterdau's discussion on user feedback in the DQV

Bernadette Farias Loscio: this is related to yesterdau's discussion on user feedback in the DQV [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:57:51 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

14:58:01 <nandana> -q

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: -q

14:58:04 <PeterWinstanley> ...it should be a subclass of DUV:Feedback, but today we should discuss - is this a single class, or are there different types of feedback

Peter Winstanley: ...it should be a subclass of DUV:Feedback, but today we should discuss - is this a single class, or are there different types of feedback

14:58:26 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we cannot have feedback as a subclass of quality statement

Giancarlo Guizzardi: we cannot have feedback as a subclass of quality statement [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

14:58:38 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:58:56 <PeterWinstanley> ...it would be useful to refine a typology of feedback, even it we don't oblige people to use it we give them some optional guids

Peter Winstanley: ...it would be useful to refine a typology of feedback, even it we don't oblige people to use it we give them some optional guids

14:59:17 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan_

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan_

14:59:20 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> A reference that might be useful in that regard is: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-12206-9_25#page-1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: A reference that might be useful in that regard is: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-12206-9_25#page-1

14:59:28 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q-

15:00:30 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: one of the things I mentioned to annette - a powerful concept of hte semantic web is the ability transform graphs in any way we need to :  annotations could be developed from anything I mentioned in my presentation; I could also translate anything done in DUV into annotations

Eric Stephan: one of the things I mentioned to annette - a powerful concept of hte semantic web is the ability transform graphs in any way we need to : annotations could be developed from anything I mentioned in my presentation; I could also translate anything done in DUV into annotations [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:00:32 <annette_g> :)

Annette Greiner: :)

15:00:54 <PeterWinstanley> ...the things being asked for could be provided by the open annotations model

Peter Winstanley: ...the things being asked for could be provided by the open annotations model

15:02:08 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: responding to giancarlo; one powerful thing in the open annotation model is the types of interaction.  the editors are open to additions to these properties, so we could develop some complementary effort

Eric Stephan: responding to giancarlo; one powerful thing in the open annotation model is the types of interaction. the editors are open to additions to these properties, so we could develop some complementary effort [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:03:00 <PeterWinstanley> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: this was captured in email in the last few days, but we're still left with working with quality feedback ....(?)

Giancarlo Guizzardi: this was captured in email in the last few days, but we're still left with working with quality feedback ....(?) [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:03:27 <ericstephan_> Annette can I call you?

Eric Stephan: Annette can I call you?

15:03:43 <annette_g> okay, 510-384-6794

Annette Greiner: okay,

15:03:46 <ericstephan_> no feedback

Eric Stephan: no feedback

15:03:50 <RiccardoAlbertoni> i will be here after the lunch

Riccardo Albertoni: i will be here after the lunch

15:03:58 <phila> s/510-384-6794//
15:04:05 <ericstephan_> great, I'd like to touch base with you

Eric Stephan: great, I'd like to touch base with you

15:04:16 <annette_g> * thanks, Phil *

Annette Greiner: * thanks, Phil *

15:04:46 <annette_g> I need to take off, will catch up in a few hours.

Annette Greiner: I need to take off, will catch up in a few hours.

15:05:11 <annette_g> bye for now!

Annette Greiner: bye for now!

15:05:16 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: I know that we need to have feedback, community discussion; it's needed for recomendataion.  after the 2nd draft we didn't have much feedback.  maybe we didn't search for feedback.  what can be done to improve?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I know that we need to have feedback, community discussion; it's needed for recomendataion. after the 2nd draft we didn't have much feedback. maybe we didn't search for feedback. what can be done to improve? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:05:55 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

15:06:04 <PeterWinstanley> ...this goes for the 3 docs, but specifically for the BP we need implementations and I'd like to discuss how we are going to find/realise these implementations

Peter Winstanley: ...this goes for the 3 docs, but specifically for the BP we need implementations and I'd like to discuss how we are going to find/realise these implementations

15:06:26 <PeterWinstanley> ...for feedback, eric can provide a template for this

Peter Winstanley: ...for feedback, eric can provide a template for this

15:06:51 <PeterWinstanley> phila: talk, conference, tweet, write to other groups, just work on it

Phil Archer: talk, conference, tweet, write to other groups, just work on it [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:06:56 <ericstephan_> I think we need to help imagine people how to use it, would be most helpful.

Eric Stephan: I think we need to help imagine people how to use it, would be most helpful.

15:07:18 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: other groups:  we need help in identifying them

Bernadette Farias Loscio: other groups: we need help in identifying them [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:07:19 <antoine> This is what I've done last time for DQV: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/187

Antoine Isaac: This is what I've done last time for DQV: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/187

15:07:46 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

15:08:29 <antoine> in fact it's this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0069.html

Antoine Isaac: in fact it's this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0069.html

15:08:31 <PeterWinstanley> phila: the obvious ones: annotation, geospatial, csv, internationalisation, privacy,... we need to write formally to those we said we'd discuss with

Phil Archer: the obvious ones: annotation, geospatial, csv, internationalisation, privacy,... we need to write formally to those we said we'd discuss with [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:08:45 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: not only W3C, but *all* groups

Deirdre Lee: not only W3C, but *all* groups [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:08:57 <antoine> but the feedback resulting from my action was not huge :-(

Antoine Isaac: but the feedback resulting from my action was not huge :-(

15:09:09 <PeterWinstanley> ...also through work at a national level through our own work

Peter Winstanley: ...also through work at a national level through our own work

15:09:15 <ericstephan_> The SIOC is  another example of who we are working with http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/

Eric Stephan: The SIOC is another example of who we are working with http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/

15:10:13 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: i was surprised/delighted by feedback from the SIOC group - but they were asking for an update.  we need to branch out into other groups

Eric Stephan: i was surprised/delighted by feedback from the SIOC group - but they were asking for an update. we need to branch out into other groups [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:10:34 <BernadetteLoscio> Thanks Antoine!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks Antoine!

15:10:38 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: I'll be in Galway in 2-3/52 so will be in contact wiht John Breslin etc

Deirdre Lee: I'll be in Galway in 2-3/52 so will be in contact wiht John Breslin etc [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:10:56 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: it would be good to have a telecon to get their thoughts

Eric Stephan: it would be good to have a telecon to get their thoughts [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:11:05 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: also check forthcoming conferences

Deirdre Lee: also check forthcoming conferences [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:12:14 <Sumit_Purohit_> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

15:12:28 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

15:12:50 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: sumit and I put in a proposal re: data usage.  in the rdesc project, in the DoE advanced computing, rdesc was the only 'semantic web' one, but recently I was in Rockville MD where there were more projects being mentioned but there is a lack of awareness of wider vocabs and a hunger to find out more info

Eric Stephan: sumit and I put in a proposal re: data usage. in the rdesc project, in the DoE advanced computing, rdesc was the only 'semantic web' one, but recently I was in Rockville MD where there were more projects being mentioned but there is a lack of awareness of wider vocabs and a hunger to find out more info [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:13:01 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit_

Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit_

15:13:14 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

15:13:23 <phila> q+ to ask about Notes and Recs

Phil Archer: q+ to ask about Notes and Recs

15:13:31 <PeterWinstanley> Sumit_Purohit_: eric and I are proposing one implementation - rdesc is close to what the group has been working on

Sumit Purohit: eric and I are proposing one implementation - rdesc is close to what the group has been working on [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:14:08 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: at the stage that editors want feedback if they can create a template email then it will make it easier for mailing list recipients

Deirdre Lee: at the stage that editors want feedback if they can create a template email then it will make it easier for mailing list recipients [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:14:09 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

15:14:11 <ericstephan_> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

15:14:19 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

15:14:19 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about Notes and Recs

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask about Notes and Recs

15:14:29 <PeterWinstanley> phila: we should send emails, but only after the next formal WDs are pblished

Phil Archer: we should send emails, but only after the next formal WDs are pblished [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:15:13 <PeterWinstanley> ...getting one ref implemtation is fantastic, but are we putting them on the REC track?  if there are implementiaot reports then it makes the work more credible

Peter Winstanley: ...getting one ref implemtation is fantastic, but are we putting them on the REC track? if there are implementiaot reports then it makes the work more credible

15:15:31 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan_

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan_

15:15:34 <PeterWinstanley> ...can the high bar be met?

Peter Winstanley: ...can the high bar be met?

15:16:39 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

15:16:49 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: right now I'm thinking 'notes' but we could show / promote a cohesive standpoint of dwbp group;  our work on the 2 vocabs made sense, but we need to review our group cohesion and this will strengthen the 2 vocabs

Eric Stephan: right now I'm thinking 'notes' but we could show / promote a cohesive standpoint of dwbp group; our work on the 2 vocabs made sense, but we need to review our group cohesion and this will strengthen the 2 vocabs [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:16:59 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

15:17:14 <ericstephan_> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

15:17:16 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: we have to be realistic

Antoine Isaac: we have to be realistic [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:17:26 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan_

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan_

15:17:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> I agree with antoine  we have to  stay realistic..

Riccardo Albertoni: I agree with antoine we have to stay realistic..

15:18:43 <PeterWinstanley> ericstephan_: we've been looking at DUV and I feel good about feedback and citation.  DUV was always a little controversial, but at what point is the WG likely to say that we focus more on feedback etc.  How can we get confirmation at this point of the groups backing for DUV?

Eric Stephan: we've been looking at DUV and I feel good about feedback and citation. DUV was always a little controversial, but at what point is the WG likely to say that we focus more on feedback etc. How can we get confirmation at this point of the groups backing for DUV? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:18:46 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:18:58 <newtoncalegari> q?

Newton Calegari: q?

15:19:09 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

15:19:41 <PeterWinstanley> phila: I have no doubt it is important, not just annotations and citations;  I heard giancarlo discussing the problems in incorporating PROV, but essentially I want to see this embedded into CKAN etc

Phil Archer: I have no doubt it is important, not just annotations and citations; I heard giancarlo discussing the problems in incorporating PROV, but essentially I want to see this embedded into CKAN etc [ Scribe Assist by Peter Winstanley ]

15:20:20 <PeterWinstanley> ...to me the DUV looks on track; the vocabs are late according to the charter, but hopefully after today all 3 vocabs will be on track

Peter Winstanley: ...to me the DUV looks on track; the vocabs are late according to the charter, but hopefully after today all 3 vocabs will be on track

15:20:31 <ericstephan_> thank you phil :-)

Eric Stephan: thank you phil :-)

15:20:37 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:20:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

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15:20:51 <phila> == Lunch ==

5.1. Lunch ==

15:21:28 <jerdeb> i need to leave as well guys

Jeremy Debattista: i need to leave as well guys

15:21:29 <nandana> bye Makx !!

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye Makx !!

15:21:44 <jerdeb> have a nice weekend

Jeremy Debattista: have a nice weekend

15:21:51 <ericstephan_> on mute standby music playing in office

Eric Stephan: on mute standby music playing in office

15:22:36 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

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15:24:18 <phila> RRSAgent, present?

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, present?

15:24:18 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'present'

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15:25:30 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

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16:12:36 <deirdrelee> let's get started!

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Deirdre Lee: let's get started!

16:13:23 <ericstephan> I'm here and I think on mute :-)

Eric Stephan: I'm here and I think on mute :-)

16:13:37 <deirdrelee> great

Deirdre Lee: great

16:13:42 <ericstephan> Is anyone speaking?

Eric Stephan: Is anyone speaking?

16:14:28 <phila> q+ to give dates for Zagreb

Phil Archer: q+ to give dates for Zagreb

16:16:03 <deirdrelee> phila: heard back from host in croatia, said it's fine to host us there on March 14th

Phil Archer: heard back from host in croatia, said it's fine to host us there on March 14th [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

16:16:34 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

16:16:36 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

16:16:58 <deirdrelee> Caroline: is the date definitie?

Caroline Burle: is the date definitie? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

16:17:20 <deirdrelee> phila: it would be difficult as this is the date that share-psi group have already agreed on

Phil Archer: it would be difficult as this is the date that share-psi group have already agreed on [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

16:17:27 <deirdrelee> ... it would be difficult to change

Deirdre Lee: ... it would be difficult to change

16:17:44 <deirdrelee> chair: yaso
16:17:47 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV

Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV

16:17:47 <deirdrelee> scribe: deirdrelee

(Scribe set to Deirdre Lee)

16:18:00 <yaso> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit#slide=id.p16

Yaso Córdova: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QaLn70KSJ2cBvTsiS3_H59gUq9XHuDe-oDtoViC37Iw/edit#slide=id.p16

16:18:01 <deirdrelee> yaso: we were discussing duv, at the feedback part

Yaso Córdova: we were discussing duv, at the feedback part

16:18:14 <SumitPurohit> present+ SumitPurohit

Sumit Purohit: present+ SumitPurohit

16:18:21 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline

16:18:26 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: eric, what should we do now?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: eric, what should we do now?

16:18:42 <deirdrelee> ... should we continue with document or go to model and open issues

... should we continue with document or go to model and open issues

16:18:46 <yaso> present+ yaso

Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso

16:18:57 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: since we discussedthe model, maybe we should go to open issues

Eric Stephan: since we discussedthe model, maybe we should go to open issues

16:19:01 <deirdrelee> ... we only have a few

... we only have a few

16:19:07 <deirdrelee> issue-178

ISSUE-178

16:19:07 <trackbot> issue-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

16:19:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

16:19:23 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: issue related to feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: issue related to feedback

16:19:36 <BernadetteLoscio> ISSUE-173: The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed.

Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-173' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ISSUE-173: The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Farias Loscio ]

16:19:36 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-173 The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed..

Trackbot IRC Bot: Notes added to ISSUE-173 The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed..

16:19:58 <deirdrelee> ... there are other issues opened by Giancarlo_Guizzardi, they are not on agenda, but they are open issues

... there are other issues opened by Giancarlo_Guizzardi, they are not on agenda, but they are open issues

16:20:00 <BernadetteLoscio> ISSUE-176: Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing?

Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-176' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ISSUE-176: Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing? [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Farias Loscio ]

16:20:00 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-176 Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing?.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Notes added to ISSUE-176 Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing?.

16:20:04 <deirdrelee> ... comments about the last version of the model

... comments about the last version of the model

16:20:34 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177

16:20:37 <deirdrelee> ... issue-173

... ISSUE-173

16:20:42 <deirdrelee> issue-73

ISSUE-73

16:20:42 <trackbot> issue-73 -- What exactly is the audience for the bp doc? -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-73 -- What exactly is the audience for the bp doc? -- closed

16:20:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73

16:20:58 <deirdrelee> .. confusion about citation act and citantion

.. confusion about citation act and citantion

16:21:07 <deirdrelee> ... property cite was removed

... property cite was removed

16:21:25 <deirdrelee> ... i'm not saying the version we have now is the best, but i think this issue can be closed

... i'm not saying the version we have now is the best, but i think this issue can be closed

16:21:25 <yaso> close issue-173

Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-173

16:21:25 <trackbot> Closed issue-173.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-173.

16:21:30 <deirdrelee> issue-76

ISSUE-76

16:21:30 <trackbot> issue-76 -- What advice do we give about publishing metadata so that we identify the intended outcome without making assumptions that maybe false? -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-76 -- What advice do we give about publishing metadata so that we identify the intended outcome without making assumptions that maybe false? -- closed

16:21:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76

16:21:38 <deirdrelee> issue-176

ISSUE-176

16:21:38 <trackbot> issue-176 -- Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-176 -- Should prov:SoftwareAgent be used instead of Application/WebOfThing? -- open

16:21:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/176

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/176

16:22:13 <yaso> close issue-176

Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-176

16:22:13 <trackbot> Closed issue-176.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-176.

16:22:15 <deirdrelee> ... classweb of things was removed from the model

... classweb of things was removed from the model

16:22:22 <deirdrelee> issue-177

ISSUE-177

16:22:22 <trackbot> issue-177 -- Should duv:consumes be used instead of duv:consumed? Should we be able to reify Consumption? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-177 -- Should duv:consumes be used instead of duv:consumed? Should we be able to reify Consumption? -- open

16:22:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/177

16:22:39 <deirdrelee> ... there was a property consumes, but this was removed

... there was a property consumes, but this was removed

16:22:42 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:22:51 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: this is now addressed by the reificaiton of usage

Giancarlo Guizzardi: this is now addressed by the reificaiton of usage

16:23:00 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:23:41 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: on issue-177, this is where we were considering reusing prov, so i think we can close it, as we've moved on

Eric Stephan: on ISSUE-177, this is where we were considering reusing prov, so i think we can close it, as we've moved on

16:24:14 <yaso> close issue-177

Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-177

16:24:14 <deirdrelee> ... i'm comfortable with closing it, but maybe something that we revisit. maybe to simplify what we're doing, along the lines we were discussing earlier on

... i'm comfortable with closing it, but maybe something that we revisit. maybe to simplify what we're doing, along the lines we were discussing earlier on

16:24:14 <trackbot> Closed issue-177.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-177.

16:24:36 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: there was another issue related to feedback, which is still open.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: there was another issue related to feedback, which is still open.

16:24:53 <deirdrelee> ... as ericstephan presented, there are 3 parts in the model: usage, feedback and citation

... as ericstephan presented, there are 3 parts in the model: usage, feedback and citation

16:25:00 <phila> issue-178?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-178?

16:25:00 <trackbot> issue-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

16:25:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

16:25:39 <deirdrelee> ... we have to decide what we're going to do, this relates to yesterday's discussion on feedback property that's common with th edqv

... we have to decide what we're going to do, this relates to yesterday's discussion on feedback property that's common with th edqv

16:25:45 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:25:48 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:25:58 <nandana> +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45

16:26:07 <deirdrelee> ... i'd like to discuss all parts of the model, because we have some doubts about the general model, especially the feedback section

... i'd like to discuss all parts of the model, because we have some doubts about the general model, especially the feedback section

16:26:38 <deirdrelee> ... if we have a specific class for feedback, then therre will be a specific class for quality

... if we have a specific class for feedback, then therre will be a specific class for quality

16:26:39 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:26:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

16:26:40 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

16:26:48 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:26:57 <deirdrelee> ... should we just have one class for feedback and properties to describe the differnet types of feedback

... should we just have one class for feedback and properties to describe the differnet types of feedback

16:27:24 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: i liked the discussion on dqv about looking for examples, from the external community

Eric Stephan: i liked the discussion on dqv about looking for examples, from the external community

16:27:36 <deirdrelee> ... these things are difficult to do if we don't have examples

... these things are difficult to do if we don't have examples

16:28:07 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: that would be nice,

Bernadette Farias Loscio: that would be nice,

16:28:07 <yaso> ack nandana

Yaso Córdova: ack nandana

16:28:07 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45

Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to remind about the discussion yesterday about renaming Feedback to UserFeedback to keep DQV and DUV consistent http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-irc#T13-54-45

16:28:29 <deirdrelee> SumitPurohit: yesterday we had a resolution to have a feedback a subclass of userfeedback

Sumit Purohit: yesterday we had a resolution to have a feedback a subclass of userfeedback

16:28:40 <deirdrelee> ... i'd like to know if this was  a good proposal or not

... i'd like to know if this was a good proposal or not

16:28:53 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:29:01 <phila> Yesterday's resolution was  rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

Phil Archer: Yesterday's resolution was rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

16:29:06 <ericstephan> +1 nandana

Eric Stephan: +1 nandana

16:29:07 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: yesterday we had a discusssion whether to create a subcalss or not, today we should come back and see if thist fits for both vocabulaires

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yesterday we had a discusssion whether to create a subcalss or not, today we should come back and see if thist fits for both vocabulaires

16:29:25 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+ to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the  modelling

Riccardo Albertoni: q+ to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the modelling

16:29:28 <ericstephan> I like the UserFeedback

Eric Stephan: I like the UserFeedback

16:29:42 <nandana> also to see if it makes to rename the Feedback to UserFeedback (without changing the semantics) in DUV

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: also to see if it makes to rename the Feedback to UserFeedback (without changing the semantics) in DUV

16:29:43 <deirdrelee> ... we need to decide if we're going to have qualityuserfeedback as subclass of duv:feedbavck

... we need to decide if we're going to have qualityuserfeedback as subclass of duv:feedbavck

16:29:44 <deirdrelee> q_

q_

16:29:45 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

16:29:46 <deirdrelee> q+

q+

16:29:51 <SumitPurohit> +1 phil

Sumit Purohit: +1 phil

16:29:53 <deirdrelee> phila: yesterday, we agreed we would

Phil Archer: yesterday, we agreed we would

16:30:22 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: there are 2 issues here

Giancarlo Guizzardi: there are 2 issues here

16:30:41 <deirdrelee> ... there is annotation that has 2 possible values that can be assigned to motivation

... there is annotation that has 2 possible values that can be assigned to motivation

16:30:52 <deirdrelee> ... we might want to extend this as properties for motivation

... we might want to extend this as properties for motivation

16:31:34 <deirdrelee> ... every time we have a type that is restricted to one type of property. from a modelling point of view, there are subtypes that are already there

... every time we have a type that is restricted to one type of property. from a modelling point of view, there are subtypes that are already there

16:32:19 <deirdrelee> ... this would be a nice way if we want to restrict a subtype of properties that are a subtypes of motivation that refer to quality statements

... this would be a nice way if we want to restrict a subtype of properties that are a subtypes of motivation that refer to quality statements

16:32:33 <deirdrelee> ... from a modelling point of view i don't see any issue wiht this

... from a modelling point of view i don't see any issue wiht this

16:33:12 <deirdrelee> ... we have to check if the values for motivation are enough, if yes

... we have to check if the values for motivation are enough, if yes

16:33:17 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:33:47 <deirdrelee> ... i think we could have everything. we could specialise user feedback for all of the use cases that are applicable for us

... i think we could have everything. we could specialise user feedback for all of the use cases that are applicable for us

16:34:03 <nandana> +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

16:34:08 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e555 link to motivation

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e555 link to motivation

16:34:16 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: looking at instance of motivation

Bernadette Farias Loscio: looking at instance of motivation

16:34:18 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/core.html#Motivations

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/core.html#Motivations

16:34:51 <phila> q+ to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations

16:35:09 <deirdrelee> ... it would be possible if you could send us a model with your suggestion, cos you were in the discussion yesterday too

... it would be possible if you could send us a model with your suggestion, cos you were in the discussion yesterday too

16:35:09 <antoine> For the record it's better to look at the work in progress at http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations not the old OA drafts

Antoine Isaac: For the record it's better to look at the work in progress at http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations not the old OA drafts

16:35:11 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

16:35:19 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:35:23 <deirdrelee> ... ericstephan, what do you think?

... ericstephan, what do you think?

16:35:44 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

16:35:50 <deirdrelee> ... Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ has an idea to model the specialisation of feedback that will help link the two types of feedback

... Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ has an idea to model the specialisation of feedback that will help link the two types of feedback

16:35:54 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:36:09 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

16:36:09 <Zakim> RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the  modelling

Zakim IRC Bot: RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to complent the nandana question questions and speak about the modelling

16:36:51 <newtoncalegari> wonders if the work of web annotation wg could help in the issue of annotation: http://www.w3.org/annotation/  http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-annotation-model-20141211/

Newton Calegari: wonders if the work of web annotation wg could help in the issue of annotation: http://www.w3.org/annotation/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-annotation-model-20141211/

16:36:52 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: coming back to nandana's comment, it's not clear whether feedback is just human feedback of also machine feedback

Riccardo Albertoni: coming back to nandana's comment, it's not clear whether feedback is just human feedback of also machine feedback

16:36:54 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:37:42 <deirdrelee> ... we might need a new definiton

... we might need a new definiton

16:37:43 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:37:58 <deirdrelee> phila: the annotation group is open to comments

Phil Archer: the annotation group is open to comments

16:38:00 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations Motivations

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations Motivations

16:38:22 <deirdrelee> ... there's a list of motivations

... there's a list of motivations

16:38:28 <deirdrelee> ... phila lists all

... phila lists all

16:38:49 <yaso> +1 to phila

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila

16:38:55 <ericstephan> I had

Eric Stephan: I had

16:38:57 <ericstephan> ....

Eric Stephan: ....

16:39:06 <ericstephan> Yes they seemed to be open to it

Eric Stephan: Yes they seemed to be open to it

16:39:15 <deirdrelee> ... antoine said we could define one more, quality user feedback

... antoine said we could define one more, quality user feedback

16:39:15 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:39:23 <deirdrelee> ... or ask them to add one more

... or ask them to add one more

16:39:25 <deirdrelee> ..

..

16:39:39 <deirdrelee> ... we could add them to create a new motivation for us, and what would they be?/

... we could add them to create a new motivation for us, and what would they be?/

16:39:43 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

16:39:43 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about the Annotations WG http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations

16:39:53 <nandana> RiccardoAlbertoni, I guess in that case we will have the same issue in DQV (dqv:QualityUserFeedback). If they are machines (or any agent), we can't call them users?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: RiccardoAlbertoni, I guess in that case we will have the same issue in DQV (dqv:QualityUserFeedback). If they are machines (or any agent), we can't call them users?

16:39:59 <ericstephan> I see significant reuse

Eric Stephan: I see significant reuse

16:40:18 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:40:21 <deirdrelee> ... providing quality feedback is one, is usage feedback another? is is significantly different to what they have?

... providing quality feedback is one, is usage feedback another? is is significantly different to what they have?

16:40:28 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

16:41:02 <deirdrelee> anitoine: i am familiar with this work and see a can of worms with asking them to add a new motivation

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Unknown anitoine: i am familiar with this work and see a can of worms with asking them to add a new motivation

16:41:21 <deirdrelee> ... it is quite unclear that providing qulity feedback will fall into one of their categories

... it is quite unclear that providing qulity feedback will fall into one of their categories

16:41:34 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

16:41:49 <deirdrelee> ... what they've tried wiht their current spec is different, more a cross-domain goal

... what they've tried wiht their current spec is different, more a cross-domain goal

16:42:10 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

16:42:10 <deirdrelee> ... this might be tricky. however we may still contact them and let them know we want to create a motivation of our own

... this might be tricky. however we may still contact them and let them know we want to create a motivation of our own

16:42:18 <deirdrelee> ... but wouldn't push them too much

... but wouldn't push them too much

16:42:38 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:42:39 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

16:42:43 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guiz zardi_: agree with antoine, doesn't seem to be relatedto what we define as feedback, completely differnet

Giancarlo_Guiz zardi_: agree with antoine, doesn't seem to be related to what we define as feedback, completely differnet

16:42:46 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:42:59 <deirdrelee> ... which begs the quesiton if feedback should be an annotation at all

... which begs the quesiton if feedback should be an annotation at all

16:43:06 <newtoncalegari> s/relatedto/related to
16:43:10 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+ to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ...

Riccardo Albertoni: q+ to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ...

16:43:51 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

16:44:00 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: found that their model is very thorough, annotation seemed to be closesfeedback. to be able to add a comment and reeply back, it seemed like it was applicable from a data usage perspective. maybe not from data quality?t to

Eric Stephan: found that their model is very thorough, annotation seemed to be closesfeedback. to be able to add a comment and reeply back, it seemed like it was applicable from a data usage perspective. maybe not from data quality?t to

16:44:31 <RiccardoAlbertoni> that was my point :)

Riccardo Albertoni: that was my point :)

16:44:32 <deirdrelee> antoine: agree with ericstephan, from our perspective annotation is important to include. no problem with adding multple annotations on one motivation

Antoine Isaac: agree with ericstephan, from our perspective annotation is important to include. no problem with adding multple annotations on one motivation

16:44:44 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

16:44:44 <Zakim> RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ...

Zakim IRC Bot: RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that you might associate more than one motivation to an annotation ...

16:44:46 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:45:13 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:45:21 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

16:45:22 <deirdrelee> yaso: should we try and reach out to the annotation group still?

Yaso Córdova: should we try and reach out to the annotation group still?

16:45:29 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:46:01 <phila> q+ to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second

Phil Archer: q+ to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second

16:46:09 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: before contacting the annotation group, we should have some suggetions. that we have a united front as a WG, for issues that overlap with DQV and DUV

Eric Stephan: before contacting the annotation group, we should have some suggetions. that we have a united front as a WG, for issues that overlap with DQV and DUV

16:46:20 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

16:46:48 <deirdrelee> antoine: it's better to clean our act and clarify our relationship between vocabularies, see if we only need one motivation, not so sure

Antoine Isaac: it's better to clean our act and clarify our relationship between vocabularies, see if we only need one motivation, not so sure

16:46:59 <deirdrelee> ... and then contact annoation working group

... and then contact annoation working group

16:47:32 <deirdrelee> ... it would be  agreat opportunity to get feedback on our vocabs, especially if we give them an excuse by using some of their motivations

... it would be agreat opportunity to get feedback on our vocabs, especially if we give them an excuse by using some of their motivations

16:47:41 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:47:45 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

16:47:45 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to suggest that we define first and seek inclusion second

16:47:49 <deirdrelee> ... just a matter of timing. once we have made progress and are in a position to get feedback

... just a matter of timing. once we have made progress and are in a position to get feedback

16:48:02 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

16:48:04 <deirdrelee> phila: +1 to antoine I suggest that each/one vocab defines these things

Phil Archer: +1 to antoine I suggest that each/one vocab defines these things

16:48:21 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:48:27 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

16:48:37 <deirdrelee> ... in the document i suggest we add text to flag that this ns might be moving to another ns

... in the document i suggest we add text to flag that this ns might be moving to another ns

16:48:43 <ericstephan> two action items perhaps for each working group to come up with motivations to discuss internally?

Eric Stephan: two action items perhaps for each working group to come up with motivations to discuss internally?

16:48:50 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:48:59 <deirdrelee> antoine: write an action that takes effect in a couple of weeks, for the editors to contact annotation wg

Antoine Isaac: write an action that takes effect in a couple of weeks, for the editors to contact annotation wg

16:49:18 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: i agree with proposal of Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ Let's see what will happen

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i agree with proposal of Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ Let's see what will happen

16:49:31 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:49:41 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:50:08 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: should we create an action for each vocab

Eric Stephan: should we create an action for each vocab

16:50:21 <deirdrelee> ... it can be two actions

... it can be two actions

16:51:17 <deirdrelee> phila: when should the action be for?

Phil Archer: when should the action be for?

16:51:24 <deirdrelee> antoine: second week in october?

Antoine Isaac: second week in october?

16:51:27 <phila> action: antoine to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DQV motivation - due 16 October

ACTION: antoine to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DQV motivation - due 16 October

16:51:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding dqv motivation [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-10-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-208 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding dqv motivation [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-10-16].

16:51:30 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:51:49 <phila> action: ericstephan to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DUV motivation - due 16 October

ACTION: ericstephan to contact OA WG to see whether they would consider adding DUV motivation - due 16 October

16:51:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding duv motivation [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-10-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-209 - Contact oa wg to see whether they would consider adding duv motivation [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-10-16].

16:51:53 <antoine> q+ to say that I'm leaving

Antoine Isaac: q+ to say that I'm leaving

16:52:03 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

16:52:03 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to say that I'm leaving

Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to say that I'm leaving

16:52:16 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks a lot!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks a lot!

16:52:20 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye antoine !

Riccardo Albertoni: bye antoine !

16:52:23 <nandana> bye antoine !!

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye antoine !!

16:52:28 <yaso> bye, thank you antoine :-)

Yaso Córdova: bye, thank you antoine :-)

16:52:39 <phila> issue-178?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-178?

16:52:39 <yaso> ISSUE-178

Yaso Córdova: ISSUE-178

16:52:39 <trackbot> issue-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

16:52:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

16:52:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 -- The definition of duv:Feedback needs to be reviewed because it is not clear if it should be a subclass of oa:Annotation or just an instance of oa:Motivation. -- open

16:52:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/178

16:52:54 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: I think we can close issue, because now we have an action

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we can close issue, because now we have an action

16:53:09 <deirdrelee> yaso: we can close it? because the definition still has to be reviewed

Yaso Córdova: we can close it? because the definition still has to be reviewed

16:53:09 <yaso> close ISSUE-178

Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-178

16:53:09 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-178.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-178.

16:53:19 <deirdrelee> phila: action items arising from it,so it's not being lost

Phil Archer: action items arising from it,so it's not being lost

16:53:26 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179

16:53:36 <yaso> issue-179

Yaso Córdova: ISSUE-179

16:53:36 <trackbot> issue-179 -- The Working Group is considering to put all new classes and properties (together with the ones of the Data Usage Vocabulary) in the DCAT namespace. -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-179 -- The Working Group is considering to put all new classes and properties (together with the ones of the Data Usage Vocabulary) in the DCAT namespace. -- open

16:53:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/179

16:54:23 <deirdrelee> phila: i have a view, i think we should put them inthe dcat ns

Phil Archer: i have a view, i think we should put them inthe dcat ns

16:54:35 <deirdrelee> ... dqv starts by saying 'we are extending dcat'

... dqv starts by saying 'we are extending dcat'

16:54:37 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:54:43 <deirdrelee> ... duv refers to dcat in the intro

... duv refers to dcat in the intro

16:54:53 <deirdrelee> ... would like to see it in the dcat ns, but open

... would like to see it in the dcat ns, but open

16:55:09 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: both models have dcat,for duv it is core

Bernadette Farias Loscio: both models have dcat,for duv it is core

16:55:20 <deirdrelee> ... how does this happen, we just use dcat?

... how does this happen, we just use dcat?

16:55:43 <deirdrelee> phila: yes, as long as we don't edit anything that's there

Phil Archer: yes, as long as we don't edit anything that's there

16:55:53 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline

16:56:03 <deirdrelee> ... there is no such thing as the dcat wg, f there is a successor to dcat wg it's this wg

... there is no such thing as the dcat wg, f there is a successor to dcat wg it's this wg

16:56:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

16:56:24 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:56:30 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:56:58 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: i'm looking at duvmodel, we have things like duv:entity,inherited from prov:entity

Eric Stephan: i'm looking at duvmodel, we have things like duv:entity,inherited from prov:entity

16:57:27 <deirdrelee> ... what i like with using dcat ns is that we can guard against overlapping terms in differnet namespaces

... what i like with using dcat ns is that we can guard against overlapping terms in differnet namespaces

16:57:36 <deirdrelee> ... i would be for using dcat ns

... i would be for using dcat ns

16:57:44 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:57:47 <deirdrelee> ... could we make decision just for duv

... could we make decision just for duv

16:58:56 <ericstephan> it actually makes more sense to have dcat:Entity in a sense.

Eric Stephan: it actually makes more sense to have dcat:Entity in a sense.

16:58:59 <nandana> phila, is it possible to edit the text in http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat# to add a link to the DUV document? I guess, yes, right?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: phila, is it possible to edit the text in http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat# to add a link to the DUV document? I guess, yes, right?

16:59:01 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: should usage apply to both duv and dqv. but this term is modelled differently in 2 vocabs

Bernadette Farias Loscio: should usage apply to both duv and dqv. but this term is modelled differently in 2 vocabs

16:59:23 <deirdrelee> ... the two vocabs should be consistent in how they model classes, especially if we are going for a common ns

... the two vocabs should be consistent in how they model classes, especially if we are going for a common ns

16:59:35 <phila> Yes, nandana, we can edit the /ns doc (but not /TR/vocab-dcat/)

Phil Archer: Yes, nandana, we can edit the /ns doc (but not /TR/vocab-dcat/)

16:59:50 <deirdrelee> ... don't know if this is the best way to model, because in dcat there is only concept of dataset and distribution

... don't know if this is the best way to model, because in dcat there is only concept of dataset and distribution

16:59:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+ to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea..

Riccardo Albertoni: q+ to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea..

17:00:01 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

17:00:01 <Zakim> RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea..

Zakim IRC Bot: RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to not sure to understand why to reuse the dcat namespace is such a good idea..

17:00:18 <deirdrelee> ... they don't have a supercall,but in duv we need it, because i don't know how you're going to give properties on both

... they don't have a supercall,but in duv we need it, because i don't know how you're going to give properties on both

17:00:26 <nandana> phila, thanks.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: phila, thanks.

17:00:29 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: what is the justification that using dcat ns is a good idea?

Riccardo Albertoni: what is the justification that using dcat ns is a good idea?

17:00:41 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:01:03 <deirdrelee> phila: it's one less ns to have to remember. it also makes it more explicit that we're extending dcat for the vocabs, and if feels more coordinated

Phil Archer: it's one less ns to have to remember. it also makes it more explicit that we're extending dcat for the vocabs, and if feels more coordinated

17:01:28 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: but in the end we are not going to change the documentation at the ns

Riccardo Albertoni: but in the end we are not going to change the documentation at the ns

17:01:37 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:02:05 <deirdrelee> phila: right now there is no documentation at the ns, just a link to the ttl file. the definition documnet is separate from the ns doc

Phil Archer: right now there is no documentation at the ns, just a link to the ttl file. the definition documnet is separate from the ns doc

17:02:27 <deirdrelee> ... we're talking about adding two new documentation files, not editing the ns doc

... we're talking about adding two new documentation files, not editing the ns doc

17:02:36 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: as a linked data person, i don't like this

Riccardo Albertoni: as a linked data person, i don't like this

17:03:00 <deirdrelee> ... are we not causing confusion over what part of the model is standard,and what is defined by our group

... are we not causing confusion over what part of the model is standard,and what is defined by our group

17:03:18 <deirdrelee> ... dcat is a rec, how will people know what the split is

... dcat is a rec, how will people know what the split is

17:03:21 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:03:22 <deirdrelee> +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni

+1 to RiccardoAlbertoni

17:03:47 <nandana> +1 RiccardoAlbertoni. May be mixing the Rec with Notes might not be a good idea.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 RiccardoAlbertoni. May be mixing the Rec with Notes might not be a good idea.

17:03:55 <deirdrelee> ... confusing about what terms are the rec standard, and what one are coming from us

... confusing about what terms are the rec standard, and what one are coming from us

17:04:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:04:40 <phila> ack e

Phil Archer: ack e

17:04:44 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: if there are no rules in place for reusing an existing ns, and we have a close association with the dcat vocabulary,i don'tsee a problem iwth applying open world asumption to namespaces and using them

Eric Stephan: if there are no rules in place for reusing an existing ns, and we have a close association with the dcat vocabulary,i don'tsee a problem iwth applying open world asumption to namespaces and using them

17:04:47 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan

17:05:13 <deirdrelee> ... if it will make the vocabs closer to the core

... if it will make the vocabs closer to the core

17:05:27 <deirdrelee> ... seems like there's a proprietary nature to namespaces

... seems like there's a proprietary nature to namespaces

17:05:44 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: i like the idea, but not sure if we can do this now

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i like the idea, but not sure if we can do this now

17:05:47 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:05:59 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan

17:06:03 <deirdrelee> ... see if there is more a maturity model, not sure if we're mature enough to decide this

... see if there is more a maturity model, not sure if we're mature enough to decide this

17:06:13 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:06:22 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: why don't we do this, and get feedback - myabe we'll get more feedback then

Eric Stephan: why don't we do this, and get feedback - myabe we'll get more feedback then

17:06:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

17:06:27 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

17:06:33 <SumitPurohit> +1 eric

Sumit Purohit: +1 eric

17:06:36 <deirdrelee> ... it would be interesting to see how external revieweres would feel about this

... it would be interesting to see how external revieweres would feel about this

17:07:01 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: yes, for next draft, we'll say it's an extension of dcat and get feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes, for next draft, we'll say it's an extension of dcat and get feedback

17:07:03 <phila> PROPOSED: That both DQV and DUV documents seek specific feedback on whether or not the terms should be defined in the DCAT namespace

PROPOSED: That both DQV and DUV documents seek specific feedback on whether or not the terms should be defined in the DCAT namespace

17:07:09 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: people might get offended :)

Eric Stephan: people might get offended :)

17:07:13 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:07:41 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:07:42 <ericstephan> but is it fair that Antoine is not here?  Should the proposal just be for DUV?

Eric Stephan: but is it fair that Antoine is not here? Should the proposal just be for DUV?

17:07:46 <deirdrelee> q+

q+

17:07:52 <RiccardoAlbertoni> first to have the feedback and than move the namespace

Riccardo Albertoni: first to have the feedback and than move the namespace

17:07:56 <phila> ack r

Phil Archer: ack r

17:07:57 <nandana> +1 for seeking specific feedback

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 for seeking specific feedback

17:08:22 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:08:29 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: first ask for feedback, then movens

Riccardo Albertoni: first ask for feedback, then movens

17:08:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:08:37 <phila> ack g

Phil Archer: ack g

17:08:51 <WagnerMeiraJr> Bye guys. I learned a lot in this F2F.

Wagner Meira Jr.: Bye guys. I learned a lot in this F2F.

17:09:09 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: side issue, just produced model he was discussing, how to send

Giancarlo Guizzardi: side issue, just produced model he was discussing, how to send

17:09:19 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: put it on the wiki, that's what it's for!

Deirdre Lee: put it on the wiki, that's what it's for!

17:09:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:09:45 <deirdrelee> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: idea is that everyone can have a look at it and discuss today

Giancarlo Guizzardi: idea is that everyone can have a look at it and discuss today

17:09:51 <Gisele> the InWeb team is  leaving

Gisele Pappa: the InWeb team is leaving

17:09:56 <phila> ack d

Phil Archer: ack d

17:10:15 <Gisele> thanks for the productive meeting, see u next time

Gisele Pappa: thanks for the productive meeting, see u next time

17:10:49 <SumitPurohit> Need to leave for a short meeting.....Will join in half hour (hopefully)

Sumit Purohit: Need to leave for a short meeting.....Will join in half hour (hopefully)

17:11:02 <ericstephan> +1 Deirdre

Eric Stephan: +1 Deirdre

17:11:14 <ericstephan> No tomatoes

Eric Stephan: No tomatoes

17:11:16 <nandana> +1 deirdre

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 deirdre

17:11:27 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:11:45 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Here is sketchy visual representation of what I was talking about: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Here is sketchy visual representation of what I was talking about: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png

17:12:07 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> if people can take a look just to check if I got the message across, that would be very nice

Giancarlo Guizzardi: if people can take a look just to check if I got the message across, that would be very nice

17:12:39 <nandana> bye InWeb team !!

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye InWeb team !!

17:13:00 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:13:15 <deirdrelee> phila: feels messy

Phil Archer: feels messy

17:13:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

17:13:24 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:13:31 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: it's a/b testing

Deirdre Lee: it's a/b testing

17:13:39 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: for sure doing this will have some reaction

Riccardo Albertoni: for sure doing this will have some reaction

17:13:51 <deirdrelee> ... feels it is a bit messy, possible way to go

... feels it is a bit messy, possible way to go

17:13:52 <BernadetteLoscio> ack r

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack r

17:14:12 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:14:14 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: i like the idea ofcharging ahead a little bit

Eric Stephan: i like the idea ofcharging ahead a little bit

17:14:45 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan

17:14:45 <deirdrelee> ... unless we try something out and get people's reaction, it will be hard to get people's reaction

... unless we try something out and get people's reaction, it will be hard to get people's reaction

17:14:47 <deirdrelee> q+

q+

17:15:08 <deirdrelee> ... right now we do have two distinct vocabs,

... right now we do have two distinct vocabs,

17:15:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:15:28 <deirdrelee> ... does anyone know of precedant where a third-party vocab uses dcat

... does anyone know of precedant where a third-party vocab uses dcat

17:15:52 <deirdrelee> phila: depends if we see our vocabs as addition to dcat, or if it's aligned to dcat

Phil Archer: depends if we see our vocabs as addition to dcat, or if it's aligned to dcat

17:16:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> no.. I don't know an example of vocabulary doing this.. we have the chance to be the first..:)

Riccardo Albertoni: no.. I don't know an example of vocabulary doing this.. we have the chance to be the first..:)

17:16:25 <BernadetteLoscio> ack deirdrelee

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack deirdrelee

17:17:13 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:17:16 <phila> PROPOSED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.

PROPOSED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.

17:17:26 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:17:28 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: it will def be a way to get feedback from dcat contributors, which is good

Deirdre Lee: it will def be a way to get feedback from dcat contributors, which is good

17:17:35 <deirdrelee> +1

+1

17:17:36 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

17:17:38 <phila> +1 expecting some fireworks

Phil Archer: +1 expecting some fireworks

17:17:50 <phila> RESOLVED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.

RESOLVED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.

17:18:18 <phila> RESOLUTION: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.

RESOLVED: That DUV begins to use the DCAT namespace, that DQV does not, but that both highlight this as an open issue that will lead to a common way forward in future.

17:18:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

17:18:25 <deirdrelee> ... think it's a good idea to go ahead for this draft, but overall not sure if it's a good idea to adopt dcat ns because of rec vs. note issue highlighted by RiccardoAlbertoni

... think it's a good idea to go ahead for this draft, but overall not sure if it's a good idea to adopt dcat ns because of rec vs. note issue highlighted by RiccardoAlbertoni

17:18:49 <phila> close issue-179

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-179

17:18:49 <trackbot> Closed issue-179.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-179.

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17:20:57 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: I would like to discuss each part of the DUV model

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I would like to discuss each part of the DUV model

17:21:56 <nandana> ... it is good to have a super class for Dataset and Distribution

... it is good to have a super class for Dataset and Distribution

17:22:15 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:22:28 <yaso> Thank you for participating, RiccardoAlbertoni :-)

Yaso Córdova: Thank you for participating, RiccardoAlbertoni :-)

17:22:31 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

17:23:11 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:23:12 <nandana> ericstephan: I like the idea of reusing DCAT namespace because it relates the vocabs better to their purpose

Eric Stephan: I like the idea of reusing DCAT namespace because it relates the vocabs better to their purpose

17:23:18 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

17:23:22 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:23:29 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

17:23:39 <nandana> phila: can we just use prov:Entity instead of duv:Entity?

Phil Archer: can we just use prov:Entity instead of duv:Entity?

17:24:08 <nandana> ericstephan: prov:Entity is too general. That was the motivation to define duv:Entity

Eric Stephan: prov:Entity is too general. That was the motivation to define duv:Entity

17:25:18 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: we are proposing to reuse provenance and model as things as activities

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are proposing to reuse provenance and model as things as activities

17:25:35 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:25:52 <phila> -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage

Phil Archer: -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage

17:25:54 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:26:02 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:26:06 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: it's good to use prov and have activity descriptions or should we define our own simpler model?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's good to use prov and have activity descriptions or should we define our own simpler model?

17:26:22 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: what are the motivations for each approach?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: what are the motivations for each approach?

17:27:25 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:27:26 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:27:36 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

17:27:50 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: Using the Usage and Activity as the same might lead to inconsistencies

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Using the Usage and Activity as the same might lead to inconsistencies

17:28:18 <nandana> ... in addition to the additional complexity

... in addition to the additional complexity

17:29:04 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:29:08 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:29:11 <nandana> ericstephan, can you please put that in the chat

ericstephan, can you please put that in the chat

17:29:13 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

17:29:17 <nandana> ericstephan, I missed it

ericstephan, I missed it

17:29:53 <nandana> phila: DQV and DUV looks very similar

Phil Archer: DQV and DUV looks very similar

17:30:24 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:30:53 <nandana> phila: main difference of the new diagram is getting rid of the prov classes

Phil Archer: main difference of the new diagram is getting rid of the prov classes

17:31:53 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: describes the proposed vocabulary diagram of DUV

Giancarlo Guizzardi: describes the proposed vocabulary diagram of DUV

17:32:39 <nandana> ... if QualityUserFeedback belongs to DUV, all types of Feedback should belong to DUV

... if QualityUserFeedback belongs to DUV, all types of Feedback should belong to DUV

17:33:01 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:33:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

17:33:37 <nandana> ... we can define subtypes of QualityUserFeedback by defining them using onProperty

... we can define subtypes of QualityUserFeedback by defining them using onProperty

17:34:31 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation

Bernadette Farias Loscio: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation

17:35:09 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we are not saying all quality annotation is UserFeedback

Giancarlo Guizzardi: we are not saying all quality annotation is UserFeedback

17:35:47 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

17:35:55 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: when we see two vocabs are connected, it makes sense to have them in the same namespace

Bernadette Farias Loscio: when we see two vocabs are connected, it makes sense to have them in the same namespace

17:38:03 <nandana> ericstephan: I only have problem with the UserRequestClarification and UserSugestionForCorrection

Eric Stephan: I only have problem with the UserRequestClarification and UserSugestionForCorrection

17:38:05 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

17:38:24 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I don't have any problem removing them

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I don't have any problem removing them

17:39:16 <ericstephan> (have to step away for a moment...will be back in two minutes)

Eric Stephan: (have to step away for a moment...will be back in two minutes)

17:39:18 <nandana> RiccardoAlbertoni: does dqv:DataUserRating belong to DUV?

Riccardo Albertoni: does dqv:DataUserRating belong to DUV?

17:39:29 <nandana> ... it was deleted from DQV

... it was deleted from DQV

17:39:59 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: it naturally belongs to DQV

Giancarlo Guizzardi: it naturally belongs to DQV

17:40:13 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:40:28 <nandana> RiccardoAlbertoni: these deleted classes are present in DUV examples

Riccardo Albertoni: these deleted classes are present in DUV examples

17:40:58 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Just to correct one of Phil's previous statements: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Just to correct one of Phil's previous statements: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png Giancarlo's proposed model for usage

17:40:58 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: this was an initial proposal. we need to work on this.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: this was an initial proposal. we need to work on this.

17:41:15 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:41:17 <nandana> ... connecting to the two vocabularies seems a good idea

... connecting to the two vocabularies seems a good idea

17:41:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> it should be read as Giancarlo's (sketchy) model for Feedback

Giancarlo Guizzardi: it should be read as Giancarlo's (sketchy) model for Feedback

17:41:43 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: should we specialize the Feedback class?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: should we specialize the Feedback class?

17:42:17 <ericstephan> +1 phila not enumerating all the types of feedback.

Eric Stephan: +1 phila not enumerating all the types of feedback.

17:42:39 <nandana> phila: we can't enumerate all the possibilities of feedback

Phil Archer: we can't enumerate all the possibilities of feedback

17:42:43 <ericstephan> Sumit could you look at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png and give your reaction?

Eric Stephan: Sumit could you look at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14917034/DUV.png and give your reaction?

17:43:04 <nandana> ... i don't see the value of classifying feedback.

... i don't see the value of classifying feedback.

17:43:10 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:43:11 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:43:16 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

17:43:17 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

17:43:23 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:43:41 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: these subclasses don't have to be disjoint

Giancarlo Guizzardi: these subclasses don't have to be disjoint

17:44:13 <nandana> ... we can classify ones that are directly related to quality

... we can classify ones that are directly related to quality

17:44:54 <nandana> phila: what about the way Github handles the classification? using crowdsouring?

Phil Archer: what about the way Github handles the classification? using crowdsouring?

17:45:34 <nandana> ... we can use tags to classify

... we can use tags to classify

17:46:03 <nandana> ... some predefined classifications don't work well with some cases

... some predefined classifications don't work well with some cases

17:46:10 <ericstephan> is this a real world example of terminology reuse?

Eric Stephan: is this a real world example of terminology reuse?

17:46:14 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:46:25 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: is it useful to differentiate the feedback on quality?

Giancarlo Guizzardi: is it useful to differentiate the feedback on quality?

17:46:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi  yes we have to distingush at least quality feedback

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi yes we have to distingush at least quality feedback

17:46:53 <nandana> phila: if it is useful, yes.

Phil Archer: if it is useful, yes.

17:47:47 <nandana> phila: do we have two types of Feedback or more types?

Phil Archer: do we have two types of Feedback or more types?

17:47:53 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:48:10 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:48:30 <nandana> phila: we need need a diagram with classes and properties of both vocabs in one

Phil Archer: we need need a diagram with classes and properties of both vocabs in one

17:49:18 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: we should keep the QualityFeedback to glue with DQV and investigate other types of feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should keep the QualityFeedback to glue with DQV and investigate other types of feedback

17:49:43 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

17:49:53 <ericstephan> +1 phila!

Eric Stephan: +1 phila!

17:50:07 <nandana> ... there is a difference in the way the two vocabs use the dcat:dataset and dcat:distribution

... there is a difference in the way the two vocabs use the dcat:dataset and dcat:distribution

17:50:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

17:50:32 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

17:50:32 <nandana> phila: I can create the combined diagram now

Phil Archer: I can create the combined diagram now

17:50:36 <SumitPurohit> i am here

Sumit Purohit: i am here

17:50:58 <nandana> BernadetteLoscio: we can talk about the Citation part

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can talk about the Citation part

17:51:39 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:51:51 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:51:52 <nandana> ericstephan: in the next release of DUV, we should mention things about quality

Eric Stephan: in the next release of DUV, we should mention things about quality

17:52:38 <nandana> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we should go ahead with what Bernadette proposed but we can give a thought to other types

Giancarlo Guizzardi: we should go ahead with what Bernadette proposed but we can give a thought to other types

17:52:55 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:52:57 <nandana> ... same applies for motivation

... same applies for motivation

17:53:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi  and BernadetteLoscio  proposal, do not enumerate all the classes

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to Giancarlo_Guizzardi and BernadetteLoscio proposal, do not enumerate all the classes

17:53:28 <ericstephan> +1 Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Eric Stephan: +1 Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:54:04 <SumitPurohit> yes

Sumit Purohit: yes

17:54:15 <yaso> ==15 min break==

Yaso Córdova: ==15 min break==

17:54:38 <ericstephan> My stomach just growled

Eric Stephan: My stomach just growled

17:54:45 <ericstephan> at the mention of brownies :-)

Eric Stephan: at the mention of brownies :-)

18:10:56 <phila> OK, combined model is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting

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Phil Archer: OK, combined model is at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting

18:14:38 <ericstephan> thank you nandana

Eric Stephan: thank you nandana

18:14:47 <RiccardoAlbertoni> good weekend nandana ..

Riccardo Albertoni: good weekend nandana ..

18:14:53 <ericstephan> I like your combined model phila!

Eric Stephan: I like your combined model phila!

18:15:33 <yaso> thanks nandana

Yaso Córdova: thanks nandana

18:15:52 <yaso> next session: BernadetteLoscio will chair and I'll scribe

Yaso Córdova: next session: BernadetteLoscio will chair and I'll scribe

18:17:41 <ericstephan> Berna and Sumit - I really think we need to refine duv:Usage a bit

Eric Stephan: Berna and Sumit - I really think we need to refine duv:Usage a bit

18:18:21 <BernadetteLoscio> Thanks Nandana!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks Nandana!

18:18:27 <ericstephan> I don't think we need prov:Activity, prov:Association to do what we need to do.

Eric Stephan: I don't think we need prov:Activity, prov:Association to do what we need to do.

18:19:12 <ericstephan> do we have time?

Eric Stephan: do we have time?

18:20:22 <BernadetteLoscio> :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: :)

18:20:35 <ericstephan> Giancarlo_Guizzardi if we removed prov:Activity and prov:Association between duv:Usage and prov:Agent would that make sense to you?

Eric Stephan: Giancarlo_Guizzardi if we removed prov:Activity and prov:Association between duv:Usage and prov:Agent would that make sense to you?

18:20:51 <yaso> chair: BernadetteLoscio
18:20:54 <yaso> scribe: yaso

(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)

18:21:01 <yaso> scribeNicK: yaso
18:21:14 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: ericstephan can you describe your proposal?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ericstephan can you describe your proposal?

18:21:49 <yaso> ericstephan: I'm thinking if it in someways we created our own duv usage

Eric Stephan: I'm thinking if it in someways we created our own duv usage

18:21:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:22:17 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

18:22:26 <yaso> ericstephan: i'm curious if anybody has reactions

Eric Stephan: i'm curious if anybody has reactions

18:22:30 <BernadetteLoscio> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

18:22:41 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: it makes sense to me to have a usage that represents itself

Giancarlo Guizzardi: it makes sense to me to have a usage that represents itself

18:22:59 <yaso> ... if we specialize, if we have our own DUV usage class

... if we specialize, if we have our own DUV usage class

18:23:12 <yaso> ... and I think that it would be all we need

... and I think that it would be all we need

18:23:22 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:23:39 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: phil made a proposal to connect the 2 vocabularies

Bernadette Farias Loscio: phil made a proposal to connect the 2 vocabularies

18:23:47 <yaso> phila: it's not complete

Phil Archer: it's not complete

18:23:51 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting

Phil Archer: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting

18:23:51 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting

Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting

18:24:54 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:25:06 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

18:25:19 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

18:25:55 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: the quality annotation is missing

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the quality annotation is missing

18:26:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

18:27:07 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q-

18:27:17 <BernadetteLoscio> ack BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack BernadetteLoscio

18:27:27 <BernadetteLoscio> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

18:29:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:29:12 <BernadetteLoscio> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

18:30:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:31:18 <yaso> RiccardoAlbertoni: actually its like if we had it

Riccardo Albertoni: actually its like if we had it

18:31:32 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:31:53 <yaso> ... that's why I'm saying that in terms of incompatibility i don't see many issues

... that's why I'm saying that in terms of incompatibility i don't see many issues

18:32:21 <yaso> ... we selected some different (?) but this is not an issue, I think

... we selected some different (?) but this is not an issue, I think

18:33:23 <BernadetteLoscio> ack eric

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack eric

18:34:20 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:34:41 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting Updated diagram

Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Sao_Paulo_Meeting Updated diagram

18:34:43 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

18:35:38 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

18:35:53 <BernadetteLoscio> ack phil

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack phil

18:36:53 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q-

18:38:25 <phila> OK, try this https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/File:Bothvocabs.png

Phil Archer: OK, try this https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/File:Bothvocabs.png

18:39:10 <ericstephan> Very nice phila !

Eric Stephan: Very nice phila !

18:39:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Ok, thanks phil the exercise is actually useful :)

Riccardo Albertoni: Ok, thanks phil the exercise is actually useful :)

18:39:18 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:42:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:42:17 <yaso> SumitPurohit: before we explain more about it, has anyone any comment about it?

Sumit Purohit: before we explain more about it, has anyone any comment about it?

18:42:44 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: we are reusing something, I'm not sure if CITO is a standard, if we should reuse

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are reusing something, I'm not sure if CITO is a standard, if we should reuse

18:42:47 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio,

BernadetteLoscio,

18:42:59 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:43:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:43:03 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: because we can define our own class for citation

Bernadette Farias Loscio: because we can define our own class for citation

18:43:07 <yaso> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

18:43:22 <ericstephan> http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net

Eric Stephan: http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net

18:43:42 <yaso> ericstephan: I don't know if people are familiar with

Eric Stephan: I don't know if people are familiar with

18:44:07 <yaso> ericstephan: I think CITO is sufficient

Eric Stephan: I think CITO is sufficient

18:44:14 <SumitPurohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

18:44:20 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> CITO has an object property called "cites as data source"

Giancarlo Guizzardi: CITO has an object property called "cites as data source"

18:44:23 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

18:45:06 <yaso> SumitPurohit: in my head, the 1st question is:can we loose something using CITO?

Sumit Purohit: in my head, the 1st question is:can we loose something using CITO?

18:45:09 <BernadetteLoscio> ack SumitPurohit

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack SumitPurohit

18:45:19 <BernadetteLoscio> ack phila

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack phila

18:45:23 <yaso> phila: if we know this is widely used and the field is very good

Phil Archer: if we know this is widely used and the field is very good

18:45:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

18:46:21 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline

18:46:39 <BernadetteLoscio> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

18:47:06 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: i did know CiOT and there's interesting things here

Giancarlo Guizzardi: i did know CiOT and there's interesting things here

18:47:16 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:47:30 <yaso> ... i'm sure that you already mentioned this, bit the relation between

... i'm sure that you already mentioned this, bit the relation between

18:48:00 <yaso> ... citation act is a per-formative act, which is quite general

... citation act is a per-formative act, which is quite general

18:48:02 <annette_g> present + annette_g

Annette Greiner: present + annette_g

18:48:15 <yaso> ... maybe this is a way to represent by feedback

... maybe this is a way to represent by feedback

18:48:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:48:33 <yaso> ... and more suitable to do what we what that it does

... and more suitable to do what we what that it does

18:48:43 <phila> -> http://search.crossref.org/?q=10.1103%2FPhysRevD.89.032002 CrossRef search based on a DOI

Phil Archer: -> http://search.crossref.org/?q=10.1103%2FPhysRevD.89.032002 CrossRef search based on a DOI

18:48:51 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

18:48:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

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18:50:20 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:50:29 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan

18:51:57 <ericstephan> +1 I agree

Eric Stephan: +1 I agree

18:52:00 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:53:28 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

18:53:33 <BernadetteLoscio> ack eric

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack eric

18:53:47 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan

18:54:11 <SumitPurohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

18:54:40 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks Bart!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks Bart!

18:55:07 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

18:55:08 <ericstephan> +1 Sumit to not going too generalized

Eric Stephan: +1 Sumit to not going too generalized

18:55:11 <phila> ack s

Phil Archer: ack s

18:56:07 <BernadetteLoscio> ack phila

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack phila

18:57:44 <phila> :thisCitation

Phil Archer: :thisCitation

18:57:44 <phila>     a duv:Citation;

Phil Archer: a duv:Citation;

18:57:44 <phila>     cito:hasCitingEntity :dataset-03312004;

Phil Archer: cito:hasCitingEntity :dataset-03312004;

18:57:44 <phila>     cito:hasCitedEntity :paperA;

Phil Archer: cito:hasCitedEntity :paperA;

18:57:44 <phila> .

Phil Archer: .

18:57:50 <SumitPurohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

18:58:03 <phila> ack s

Phil Archer: ack s

18:58:46 <ericstephan> http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties

Eric Stephan: http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties

18:58:49 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:58:58 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

18:59:02 <SumitPurohit> +1 to phil

Sumit Purohit: +1 to phil

18:59:18 <Caroline> 04578-000

Caroline Burle: +1 to phil

18:59:31 <Caroline> s/04578-000/+1 to phil
19:00:21 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

19:00:37 <SumitPurohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

19:00:44 <yaso> q+

q+

19:01:26 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:01:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

19:02:20 <yaso> -q

-q

19:02:33 <ericstephan> http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties

Eric Stephan: http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito#objectproperties

19:03:34 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

19:05:10 <phila> action: sumit to investigate the relationship between DQV and DUV wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation

ACTION: sumit to investigate the relationship between DQV and DUV wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation

19:05:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Investigate the relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-10-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-210 - Investigate the relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be considered as a quality annotation [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-10-02].

19:05:15 <BernadetteLoscio> ack ericstephan

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack ericstephan

19:05:34 <newtonca_> q+ to close action-204

Newton Calegari: q+ to close ACTION-204

19:05:51 <BernadetteLoscio> ack SumitPurohit

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack SumitPurohit

19:06:01 <phila> ack r

Phil Archer: ack r

19:06:18 <BernadetteLoscio> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

19:06:22 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

19:06:50 <newtonca_> q-

Newton Calegari: q-

19:07:03 <newtonca_> q+ to ask to close action-206

Newton Calegari: q+ to ask to close ACTION-206

19:08:07 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

19:08:17 <nandana> +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. It seems citations are a bit similar to incoming and outgoing links in data. At least we measure those a lot for quality.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. It seems citations are a bit similar to incoming and outgoing links in data. At least we measure those a lot for quality.

19:08:34 <phila> Topic: HCLS Dataset Description

6. HCLS Dataset Description

19:08:35 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/hcls-dataset/

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/hcls-dataset/

19:09:24 <ericstephan> it uses cito

Eric Stephan: it uses cito

19:09:44 <phila> Yes, it uses CiTO, PAV, DCAT etc.

Phil Archer: Yes, it uses CiTO, PAV, DCAT etc.

19:09:50 <phila> And it covers versioning etc.

Phil Archer: And it covers versioning etc.

19:10:08 <phila> Topic: Wrapping Up

7. Wrapping Up

19:10:30 <phila> ericstephan: We need to incorporate all the comments and get a new version out of the door as soon as we can.

Eric Stephan: We need to incorporate all the comments and get a new version out of the door as soon as we can. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

19:10:40 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We're planning a new draft of the docs in early November

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We're planning a new draft of the docs in early November [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

19:10:45 <ericstephan> perhaps even before tpac?

Eric Stephan: perhaps even before tpac?

19:10:55 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Thanks everyone!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks everyone! [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

19:11:05 <newtonca_> may we close action-204 and action-206 ?

Newton Calegari: may we close ACTION-204 and ACTION-206 ?

19:11:12 <ericstephan> Great job everyone and safe travels!

Eric Stephan: Great job everyone and safe travels!

19:11:14 <yaso> thanks phila and phila for coming!

thanks phila and phila for coming!

19:11:16 <phila> deirdrelee: Thanks everyone for joining in over the last two days. We have got through a lot, closed a lot of issues etc.

Deirdre Lee: Thanks everyone for joining in over the last two days. We have got through a lot, closed a lot of issues etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

19:11:26 <phila> ... Not it's the home stretch

Phil Archer: ... Not it's the home stretch

19:11:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Thanks, Eric. This was very productive and fun

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Thanks, Eric. This was very productive and fun

19:11:36 <phila> ... need to get the next drafts out. CR etc.

Phil Archer: ... need to get the next drafts out. CR etc.

19:11:40 <yaso> and thanks for those who attended remotely :-D

and thanks for those who attended remotely :-D

19:11:50 <ericstephan> Thank you Giancarlo_Guizzardi wow loved your insights!

Eric Stephan: Thank you Giancarlo_Guizzardi wow loved your insights!

19:12:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Thank guys. it is always very interesting discuss with the group :)  Enjoy drinks and sao paolo

Riccardo Albertoni: Thank guys. it is always very interesting discuss with the group :) Enjoy drinks and sao paolo

19:12:20 <annette_g> thanks, guys!

Annette Greiner: thanks, guys!

19:12:32 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Great! I appreciate that. Looking forward to interact more with you guys in the future

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Great! I appreciate that. Looking forward to interact more with you guys in the future

19:12:35 <nandana> Thanks and bye all !!

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Thanks and bye all !!

19:12:49 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Bye!

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Bye!

19:12:49 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes

19:12:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

19:12:55 <annette_g> bye!

Annette Greiner: bye!

19:12:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye!

Riccardo Albertoni: bye!

19:13:05 <newtonca_> close action-204

Newton Calegari: close ACTION-204

19:13:05 <trackbot> Closed action-204.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-204.

19:13:09 <newtonca_> close action-206

Newton Calegari: close ACTION-206

19:13:09 <trackbot> Closed action-206.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-206.

19:14:32 <phila> regrets+ Steve, Hadley

Phil Archer: regrets+ Steve, Hadley

19:14:43 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes

19:14:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-dwbp-minutes.html phila



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