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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 18 September 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918
Seen
Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Ghislain Atemezing, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Newton Calegari, Peter Winstanley, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Steven Adler, Sumit Purohit, Yaso Córdova
Chair
Deirdre Lee
Scribe
Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Annette Greiner
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11 link
  2. Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11 link
Topics
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12:54:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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12:54:42 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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12:54:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:54:43 <trackbot> Date: 18 September 2015
12:58:51 <MTCarrasco> present+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: present+

12:59:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RiccardoAlbertoni present+

Riccardo Albertoni: RiccardoAlbertoni present+

12:59:07 <newtoncalegari> present+ newtoncalegari

Newton Calegari: present+ newtoncalegari

12:59:28 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: present+ deirdrelee

12:59:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

12:59:46 <MTCarrasco> present+ MTCarrasco

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: present+ MTCarrasco

13:00:11 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
13:00:15 <deirdrelee> scribe MTCarrasco

Deirdre Lee: scribe MTCarrasco

13:00:24 <PeterWinstanley_> present+ PeterWinstanley

Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley

13:00:28 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918
13:02:57 <phila> -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3448439 Sao Paulo weather

Phil Archer: -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3448439 Sao Paulo weather

13:03:15 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918
13:03:16 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9

Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9

13:03:24 <phila> scribe: MTCarrasco

(Scribe set to Manuel Carrasco Benitez)

13:03:28 <phila> present+ phila

Phil Archer: present+ phila

13:03:33 <BernadetteLoscio> present +BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: present +BernadetteLoscio

13:03:39 <phila> chair: Deirdre
13:03:48 <MTCarrasco> TOPIC: Prelimenaries

1. Prelimenaries

13:03:50 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

PROPOSED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

13:04:02 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:04:07 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:04:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:04:07 <MTCarrasco> 0+

0+

13:04:21 <phila> anyone not happy?

Phil Archer: anyone not happy?

13:04:32 <antoine> present+ antoine

Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine

13:04:33 <BernadetteLoscio> i was not here in the last call :(

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i was not here in the last call :(

13:04:38 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

RESOLVED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

13:04:49 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

13:04:52 <annette_g1> present+ annette_g

Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g

13:04:56 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:04:58 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:04:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:05:01 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

13:05:02 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:05:05 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:05:05 <annette_g1> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:05:11 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11

13:05:31 <nandana> present+ nandana

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nandana

13:05:37 <laufer> present+ laufer

Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer

13:06:07 <MTCarrasco> TOPIC: Process for publication

2. Process for publication

13:06:34 <deirdrelee> phila: last-call and candidate recommendation are now the same

Phil Archer: last-call and candidate recommendation are now the same [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

13:06:40 <MTCarrasco> phila: examplain the details

Phil Archer: examplain the details

13:07:18 <deirdrelee> MTCarrasco: we need to record the details of what phila  is describing

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we need to record the details of what phila is describing [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

13:07:19 <MTCarrasco> phila: aim for last call candiate rec

Phil Archer: aim for last call candiate rec

13:08:09 <BernadetteLoscio_> present +BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: present +BernadetteLoscio

13:08:09 <MTCarrasco> phila: meeting with the director, editor, etc

Phil Archer: meeting with the director, editor, etc

13:08:36 <deirdrelee> phila: once the editors are happy with final working draft, they propose last call

Phil Archer: once the editors are happy with final working draft, they propose last call [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

13:09:04 <deirdrelee> ..they then have meeting with w3c directors, chairs, editors

Deirdre Lee: ..they then have meeting with w3c directors, chairs, editors

13:09:11 <MTCarrasco> phila: the director is concerned with the form not the content

Phil Archer: the director is concerned with the form not the content

13:09:29 <deirdrelee> ..direcotr will ask if all issues have been addressed, all comments have been addressed, those that comment are happy wth resolution, etc

Deirdre Lee: ..direcotr will ask if all issues have been addressed, all comments have been addressed, those that comment are happy wth resolution, etc

13:09:50 <MTCarrasco> phila: only then it can go to candidate recommendation

Phil Archer: only then it can go to candidate recommendation

13:10:00 <SumitPurohit> present+ SumitPurohit

Sumit Purohit: present+ SumitPurohit

13:10:16 <MTCarrasco> phila: aftern all this it can go to propose rec

Phil Archer: aftern all this it can go to propose rec

13:10:20 <deirdrelee> .. only then will they agree to go to last call. to go on last call there has to be a criteria agreed with the director so they know when group's work is done

Deirdre Lee: .. only then will they agree to go to last call. to go on last call there has to be a criteria agreed with the director so they know when group's work is done

13:11:04 <deirdrelee> .. once directtor agrees with criteria of last call, then the document goes to candidate recommendation

Deirdre Lee: .. once directtor agrees with criteria of last call, then the document goes to candidate recommendation

13:11:10 <SumitPurohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

13:11:21 <MTCarrasco> phila: the vocabularies will be notes the process do not apply

Phil Archer: the vocabularies will be notes the process do not apply

13:12:12 <deirdrelee> ..then the group addresses the criteria, the director takes over then, an dthe membership will vote to go to recommendation

Deirdre Lee: ..then the group addresses the criteria, the director takes over then, an dthe membership will vote to go to recommendation

13:12:22 <MTCarrasco> SumitPurohit: question to phila

Sumit Purohit: question to phila

13:12:33 <deirdrelee> ..bp doc criteria could be something like to find two implemenations of each bp

Deirdre Lee: ..bp doc criteria could be something like to find two implemenations of each bp

13:12:39 <deirdrelee> ack SumitPurohit

Deirdre Lee: ack SumitPurohit

13:13:09 <deirdrelee> phila: this only applies to bp doc, unless we want to publish dqv and duv as recommendations too

Phil Archer: this only applies to bp doc, unless we want to publish dqv and duv as recommendations too [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

13:13:11 <MTCarrasco> phila: recommendation more strict - two independent implemenations

Phil Archer: recommendation more strict - two independent implemenations

13:13:23 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:13:41 <MTCarrasco> phila: BP less strict

Phil Archer: BP less strict

13:14:31 <phila> The process is described in detail at http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#Reports

Phil Archer: The process is described in detail at http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#Reports

13:14:42 <annette_g1> last call and candidate rec are the same

Annette Greiner: last call and candidate rec are the same

13:14:42 <annette_g1> to go to candidate rec requires

Annette Greiner: to go to candidate rec requires

13:14:42 <annette_g1> phone call w/dir, editors, chairs, Phil

Annette Greiner: phone call w/dir, editors, chairs, Phil

13:14:42 <annette_g1> we've got widespread review

Annette Greiner: we've got widespread review

13:14:43 <annette_g1> we're ready for candidate rec phase

Annette Greiner: we're ready for candidate rec phase

13:14:43 <annette_g1> this is our exit criteria

Annette Greiner: this is our exit criteria

13:14:43 <annette_g1> usually Philipe l'hegare takes director's place

Annette Greiner: usually Philipe l'hegare takes director's place

13:14:44 <annette_g1> have you answered all the comments satisfactorily

Annette Greiner: have you answered all the comments satisfactorily

13:14:44 <annette_g1> when you go to CR, you state your criteria for ending candidate rec

Annette Greiner: when you go to CR, you state your criteria for ending candidate rec

13:14:44 <annette_g1> e.g., every BP has been implemented/followed by at least 2 independent people

Annette Greiner: e.g., every BP has been implemented/followed by at least 2 independent people

13:14:45 <annette_g1> when done, go to proposed rec, membership votes

Annette Greiner: when done, go to proposed rec, membership votes

13:14:45 <annette_g1>

Annette Greiner:

13:14:45 <annette_g1> we're expecting the vocabs to be notes, so only BP doc needs all this.

Annette Greiner: we're expecting the vocabs to be notes, so only BP doc needs all this.

13:14:50 <phila> Notes are less strict than Recommendations. The BP doc is expected to be a Rec, the vocabs are not

Phil Archer: Notes are less strict than Recommendations. The BP doc is expected to be a Rec, the vocabs are not

13:15:23 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

13:15:54 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  we made a proposal for a timetable, not sure how long it will take for each step

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we made a proposal for a timetable, not sure how long it will take for each step [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:16:06 <BernadetteLoscio_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable

13:16:26 <MTCarrasco> phila: the last call was minimun three weeks

Phil Archer: the last call was minimun three weeks

13:16:34 <annette_g1> phila:  last call used to be 3 weeks, now ?? probably at least 4 weeks, um....

Phil Archer: last call used to be 3 weeks, now ?? probably at least 4 weeks, um.... [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:17:30 <annette_g1> … in practical terms, what you're saying is we're not going to change this doc until you tell us to. The period should not be less than 4 weeks. In fact, it will take that long to gather all the implementation info.

Annette Greiner: … in practical terms, what you're saying is we're not going to change this doc until you tell us to. The period should not be less than 4 weeks. In fact, it will take that long to gather all the implementation info.

13:17:47 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:18:00 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

13:18:07 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: it could be several months

Deirdre Lee: it could be several months

13:18:13 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  which period are you talking about?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: which period are you talking about? [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:18:16 <nandana> must specify the deadline for further comments, which must be at least four weeks after publication, and should be longer for complex documents,. -> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#revised-cr

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: must specify the deadline for further comments, which must be at least four weeks after publication, and should be longer for complex documents,. -> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#revised-cr

13:19:29 <annette_g1> phila:  the point where the group says "we think we have it", this is the candidate rec. There's no defined timeline between now and when you go into CR.

Phil Archer: the point where the group says "we think we have it", this is the candidate rec. There's no defined timeline between now and when you go into CR. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:19:32 <MTCarrasco> phila: this doc represents the best we can do and there is not a fix time for the period gathering more information

Phil Archer: this doc represents the best we can do and there is not a fix time for the period gathering more information

13:19:33 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:19:40 <PeterWinstanley_> q+

Peter Winstanley: q+

13:19:53 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  we should review the dates together at the F2F

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should review the dates together at the F2F [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:20:44 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  first we need more feedback on the doc, then we can start the implementations

Bernadette Farias Loscio: first we need more feedback on the doc, then we can start the implementations [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:21:21 <annette_g1> phila:  the group runs out of time in June next year

Phil Archer: the group runs out of time in June next year [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:21:42 <annette_g1> … March would be the absolute latest to go to CR

Annette Greiner: … March would be the absolute latest to go to CR

13:22:01 <MTCarrasco> phila: March is the lastest - try to have it ready by the end of the year of January

Phil Archer: March is the lastest - try to have it ready by the end of the year of January

13:22:07 <annette_g1> January would be better, so we can work out substantive changes

Annette Greiner: January would be better, so we can work out substantive changes

13:22:30 <MTCarrasco> phile: meaningfull changes one has to go back to draft

Phil Archer: meaningfull changes one has to go back to draft

13:22:40 <annette_g1> phila:  CR may or may not be a one-time thing.

Phil Archer: CR may or may not be a one-time thing. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:23:08 <annette_g1> phila:  we should try to get to CR before Christmas

Phil Archer: we should try to get to CR before Christmas [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:23:19 <gatemezi> s/phile/phila
13:23:41 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  do we need to wait for people to implement, or do we all do this?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: do we need to wait for people to implement, or do we all do this? [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:23:51 <annette_g1> phila:  we all do it as a community

Phil Archer: we all do it as a community [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:23:54 <phila> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1

Phil Archer: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1

13:24:21 <PeterWinstanley_> q-

Peter Winstanley: q-

13:24:37 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:24:42 <annette_g1> phila:  This goodle form is SharePSI's implementation form. It inlcudes a bunch of our stuff at the end, so that's a start for us.

Phil Archer: This goodle form is SharePSI's implementation form. It inlcudes a bunch of our stuff at the end, so that's a start for us. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:24:49 <adler1> sorry, that is not a real implementation

Steven Adler: sorry, that is not a real implementation

13:24:50 <yaso> present+ yaso

Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso

13:25:00 <MTCarrasco> phila: if lots of people do the form is evidence

Phil Archer: if lots of people do the form is evidence

13:25:09 <adler1> theoretical implementations do not make a difference in the world

Steven Adler: theoretical implementations do not make a difference in the world

13:25:11 <gatemezi> That's just an evaluation form..

Ghislain Atemezing: That's just an evaluation form..

13:25:12 <annette_g1> that is a super long form!!

Annette Greiner: that is a super long form!!

13:25:47 <MTCarrasco> phila: if it has been already implemented, the meeting takes one minute

Phil Archer: if it has been already implemented, the meeting takes one minute

13:25:49 <yaso> A unicorn implementation!

Yaso Córdova: A unicorn implementation!

13:25:56 <adler1> q+

Steven Adler: q+

13:26:09 <annette_g1> phila:  we'll need to build a table that shows the sets of BPs that each implementer implemented

Phil Archer: we'll need to build a table that shows the sets of BPs that each implementer implemented [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:26:31 <adler1> I can wait to discuss this next week

Steven Adler: I can wait to discuss this next week

13:26:37 <adler1> q-

Steven Adler: q-

13:26:45 <newtoncalegari> not all of "implementers" will implement each one of the BPs, is that right?

Newton Calegari: not all of "implementers" will implement each one of the BPs, is that right?

13:26:56 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

13:26:56 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  is there a way to collect names?

Deirdre Lee: is there a way to collect names? [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:27:03 <annette_g1> phila:  yes

Phil Archer: yes [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:27:05 <MTCarrasco> TOPIC: F2F

3. F2F

13:27:09 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo

Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo

13:27:15 <adler1> q+

Steven Adler: q+

13:27:19 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  agenda for the F2F

Deirdre Lee: agenda for the F2F [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:27:20 <adler1> how safe is Sao Paolo?

Steven Adler: how safe is Sao Paolo?

13:27:46 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: list with the different types of attendes

Deirdre Lee: list with the different types of attendes

13:27:53 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  add your name to the list to say if you'll be there, be there remotely, etc.

Deirdre Lee: add your name to the list to say if you'll be there, be there remotely, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:28:11 <gatemezi> How "safe"?

Ghislain Atemezing: How "safe"?

13:28:38 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:28:44 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:28:50 <newtoncalegari> Yaso is going to answer his question

Newton Calegari: Yaso is going to answer his question

13:29:13 <deirdrelee> ack adler1

Deirdre Lee: ack adler1

13:29:18 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:29:22 <deirdrelee> ack adler

Deirdre Lee: ack adler

13:29:30 <annette_g1> newtoncalegari:  Sao Paolo is not a dangerous place, though its' best not to be wandering alone at midnight downtown.

Newton Calegari: Sao Paolo is not a dangerous place, though its' best not to be wandering alone at midnight downtown. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:29:32 <MTCarrasco> newtoncalegari: safe but be careful

Newton Calegari: safe but be careful

13:29:48 <annette_g1> adler1:  some people have warned him about showing camera, touristy stuff

Steven Adler: some people have warned him about showing camera, touristy stuff [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:29:57 <annette_g1> newtoncalegari:  yes, you have to be careful about that

Newton Calegari: yes, you have to be careful about that [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:30:22 <annette_g1> adler1:  be careful which taxis you take, don't take out a cell phone and use it for a map

Steven Adler: be careful which taxis you take, don't take out a cell phone and use it for a map [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:30:54 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:30:58 <yaso> q-

Yaso Córdova: q-

13:31:05 <annette_g1> newtoncalegari:  I think you don't have a problem with the cell phone as a map, just be aware at midnight. It's okay to bring a camera; I've never had a problem with taxis in SP

Newton Calegari: I think you don't have a problem with the cell phone as a map, just be aware at midnight. It's okay to bring a camera; I've never had a problem with taxis in SP [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:31:11 <MTCarrasco> newtoncalegari: take the camera - not problem -be ware and be carefuk

Newton Calegari: take the camera - not problem -be ware and be carefuk

13:31:45 <phila> Start time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=blah&iso=20150924T08&p1=233&ah=8

Phil Archer: Start time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=blah&iso=20150924T08&p1=233&ah=8

13:31:58 <phila> That's 8am SP time

Phil Archer: That's 8am SP time

13:32:09 <SumitPurohit> SumitPurohit: and ericstephan  at pacific time

Sumit Purohit: and ericstephan at pacific time [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:32:12 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  time difference: SP is notable

Deirdre Lee: time difference: SP is notable [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:32:21 <yaso> I would start at 9

Yaso Córdova: I would start at 9

13:32:21 <annette_g1> .. is it a problem for anyone?

Annette Greiner: .. is it a problem for anyone?

13:32:27 <ericstephan> (eric s - currently reading through IRC and flying over the Rocky Mountains) I will attempt to remotely attend as much as possible but I am only committing to the DUV session.

Eric Stephan: (eric s - currently reading through IRC and flying over the Rocky Mountains) I will attempt to remotely attend as much as possible but I am only committing to the DUV session.

13:33:10 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: DUV at an appropriate time for Eric

Deirdre Lee: DUV at an appropriate time for Eric

13:33:14 <annette_g1> I think it's okay

Annette Greiner: I think it's okay

13:33:34 <annette_g1> * hit return, Phil

Annette Greiner: * hit return, Phil

13:33:38 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:34:12 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: In Brasil starting early and the European not leaving too late

Deirdre Lee: In Brasil starting early and the European not leaving too late

13:34:14 <annette_g1> yaso:  inaudible

Yaso Córdova: inaudible [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:34:22 <Caroline_> Here there are some tips about São Paulo and places to visit in Engilsh http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/

Caroline Burle: Here there are some tips about São Paulo and places to visit in Engilsh http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/

13:34:50 <MTCarrasco> yaso: suggest starting at 9:00

Yaso Córdova: suggest starting at 9:00

13:35:20 <annette_g1> yaso:  I would suggest we start at 9 because of traffic

Yaso Córdova: I would suggest we start at 9 because of traffic [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:35:32 <laufer> we can go by metro and train to the event...  I think is ok...

Carlos Laufer: we can go by metro and train to the event... I think is ok...

13:35:40 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  only problem is that it will get very late for people elsewhere

Deirdre Lee: only problem is that it will get very late for people elsewhere [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:35:59 <ericstephan> SumitPurohit: we could attend DUV via a conference room if you'd prefer...

Sumit Purohit: we could attend DUV via a conference room if you'd prefer... [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

13:36:14 <MTCarrasco> yaso: about 50 minutes to the conference place

Yaso Córdova: about 50 minutes to the conference place

13:36:20 <annette_g1> yaso:  the hotel is 50 minutes away from the meeting

Yaso Córdova: the hotel is 50 minutes away from the meeting [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:36:30 <adler1> I am staying at the hilton

Steven Adler: I am staying at the hilton

13:36:33 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  remote people?

Deirdre Lee: remote people? [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:36:45 <adler1> are we not meeting at the conference venue?

Steven Adler: are we not meeting at the conference venue?

13:36:50 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:36:50 <annette_g1> It depends how late it goes

Annette Greiner: It depends how late it goes

13:36:55 <newtoncalegari> it's 50 minutes to the meeting place... and 5 minutes to the conference place

Newton Calegari: it's 50 minutes to the meeting place... and 5 minutes to the conference place

13:37:11 <adler1> what is the address of the meeting place

Steven Adler: what is the address of the meeting place

13:37:14 <deirdrelee> ack yaso

Deirdre Lee: ack yaso

13:37:21 <laufer> In our last F2F we have to be awake very early too... I do not see a problem in waking up at 6...

Carlos Laufer: In our last F2F we have to be awake very early too... I do not see a problem in waking up at 6...

13:37:22 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

13:37:47 <annette_g1> antoine:  pretty sure he can't do late on a Friday

Antoine Isaac: pretty sure he can't do late on a Friday [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:37:50 <MTCarrasco> antoine: not ideal ... it is as good as it can get

Antoine Isaac: not ideal ... it is as good as it can get

13:37:50 <yaso> Guys

Yaso Córdova: Guys

13:37:54 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:38:17 <laufer> or meeting in Austin begun 7 a.m.

Carlos Laufer: or meeting in Austin begun 7 a.m.

13:38:36 <adler1> what is the address of the meeting place?

Steven Adler: what is the address of the meeting place?

13:38:49 <MTCarrasco> yaso: cannot hear

Yaso Córdova: cannot hear

13:39:08 <yaso> Newton is going to help you to come to nic.br

Yaso Córdova: Newton is going to help you to come to nic.br

13:39:26 <yaso> ok to start at 8 am, Newton is going to help

Yaso Córdova: ok to start at 8 am, Newton is going to help

13:39:33 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:39:38 <yaso> q-

Yaso Córdova: q-

13:39:43 <phila> q+ to talk about WebEx

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about WebEx

13:40:16 <MTCarrasco> phila: it is a different WebEx

Phil Archer: it is a different WebEx

13:40:25 <adler1> I need the address info

Steven Adler: I need the address info

13:40:42 <MTCarrasco> phila: it is in the agenda

Phil Archer: it is in the agenda

13:41:12 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  goes over agenda for the F2F

Deirdre Lee: goes over agenda for the F2F [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:41:14 <newtoncalegari> Steve: the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP

Steven Adler: the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ]

13:41:28 <newtoncalegari> @adler1 the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP

Newton Calegari: @adler1 the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP

13:41:41 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:41:44 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:41:44 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about WebEx

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about WebEx

13:41:48 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:41:49 <SumitPurohit> q

Sumit Purohit: q

13:41:49 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: 4 session

Deirdre Lee: 4 session

13:41:56 <annette_g1> deirdrelee: what do people think?

Deirdre Lee: what do people think? [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:42:16 <MTCarrasco> BernadetteLoscio_: the BP doc more time

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the BP doc more time

13:42:29 <MTCarrasco> BernadetteLoscio_: as going to the final version

Bernadette Farias Loscio: as going to the final version

13:42:38 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

13:42:42 <BernadetteLoscio_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

13:42:55 <MTCarrasco> BernadetteLoscio_: sent message with the proposed agenda

Bernadette Farias Loscio: sent message with the proposed agenda

13:43:23 <MTCarrasco> BernadetteLoscio_: do not if it can cover all - have  a try

Bernadette Farias Loscio: do not if it can cover all - have a try

13:44:06 <MTCarrasco> SumitPurohit: cannot hear ( can you self-scribe?)

Sumit Purohit: cannot hear ( can you self-scribe?)

13:44:27 <BernadetteLoscio_> i think so!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i think so!

13:44:34 <deirdrelee> 3 hrs per vocab and 6 hrs for bp doc

Deirdre Lee: 3 hrs per vocab and 6 hrs for bp doc

13:44:46 <SumitPurohit> SumitPurohit:   We should have 3 sessions of DQV and DUV and 6 sessions for BP

Sumit Purohit: We should have 3 sessions of DQV and DUV and 6 sessions for BP [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:45:02 <MTCarrasco> TOPIC: BP doc

4. BP doc

13:45:13 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:45:35 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: time together is very valuable - what do you want to achive?

Deirdre Lee: time together is very valuable - what do you want to achive?

13:45:41 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  it's important for editors to have lists of issues, acitons, questions in advance

Deirdre Lee: it's important for editors to have lists of issues, acitons, questions in advance [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:46:02 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: conversation about the maturity level

Deirdre Lee: conversation about the maturity level

13:46:32 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  we need to keep a strict timeframe for open discussions

Deirdre Lee: we need to keep a strict timeframe for open discussions [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:46:35 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

13:46:50 <BernadetteLoscio_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV

13:47:07 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  we have a similar agenda for DUV, sent by mail.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have a similar agenda for DUV, sent by mail. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:47:27 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  for DUV, we want to close some issues before the F2F.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: for DUV, we want to close some issues before the F2F. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:47:55 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  there is a table of open issues. please take a look and see what can be closed.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: there is a table of open issues. please take a look and see what can be closed. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:48:07 <MTCarrasco> BernadetteLoscio_: some are old

Bernadette Farias Loscio: some are old

13:48:24 <MTCarrasco> BernadetteLoscio_: try to close some

Bernadette Farias Loscio: try to close some

13:48:26 <annette_g1> BernadetteLoscio_:  it's… on the wiki, on the agenda page

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's… on the wiki, on the agenda page [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:49:18 <annette_g1> * hi Caroline!

Annette Greiner: * hi Caroline!

13:49:25 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: important to clean up to focus

Deirdre Lee: important to clean up to focus

13:50:09 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: people in charge to decide on the issues by email

Deirdre Lee: people in charge to decide on the issues by email

13:50:52 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: these documents a continously changing - do the homework

Deirdre Lee: these documents a continously changing - do the homework

13:51:08 <annette_g1> deirdrelee:  we should all take an hour or so to review the docs ahead of the F2F

Deirdre Lee: we should all take an hour or so to review the docs ahead of the F2F [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:52:07 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:52:59 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: any thing about the logistics of the meeting?  - from the Brasil team

Deirdre Lee: any thing about the logistics of the meeting? - from the Brasil team

13:53:17 <newtoncalegari> http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/

Newton Calegari: http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/

13:53:26 <annette_g1> newtoncalegari:  getting to NIC.br, I can get a cab and go to the hotel to pick up

Newton Calegari: getting to NIC.br, I can get a cab and go to the hotel to pick up [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:53:50 <yaso> Aston whatever

Yaso Córdova: Aston whatever

13:53:50 <MTCarrasco> newtoncalegari: general tips on Sao Paulo - Caroline put-up a web site

Newton Calegari: general tips on Sao Paulo - Caroline put-up a web site

13:54:37 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: coffe breaks not in the agenda - we play by ear

Deirdre Lee: coffe breaks not in the agenda - we play by ear

13:54:37 <annette_g1> newtoncalegari:  will look up times for breakfast

Newton Calegari: will look up times for breakfast [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:54:58 <MTCarrasco> deirdrelee: languages of the conference

Deirdre Lee: languages of the conference

13:55:12 <annette_g1> newtoncalegari:  both

Newton Calegari: both [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:55:29 <newtoncalegari> https://www.google.com.br/maps/place/Av.+das+Na%C3%A7%C3%B5es+Unidas,+11541+-+Cidade+Mon%C3%A7%C3%B5es,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP/@-23.6013762,-46.6951745,17.29z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x94ce50cd25c87a7d:0xaaeaef480109402e?hl=pt-BR

Newton Calegari: https://www.google.com.br/maps/place/Av.+das+Na%C3%A7%C3%B5es+Unidas,+11541+-+Cidade+Mon%C3%A7%C3%B5es,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP/@-23.6013762,-46.6951745,17.29z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x94ce50cd25c87a7d:0xaaeaef480109402e?hl=pt-BR

13:55:38 <newtoncalegari> Nic.br address in the Map

Newton Calegari: Nic.br address in the Map

13:55:43 <annette_g1> * I love the brocure, will review it to get in the mood remotely *

Annette Greiner: * I love the brocure, will review it to get in the mood remotely *

13:55:51 <laufer> see you in  sp...

Carlos Laufer: see you in sp...

13:55:51 <MTCarrasco> Bye

Bye

13:55:55 <laufer> bye all

Carlos Laufer: bye all

13:55:55 <BernadetteLoscio_> thanks!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks!

13:55:56 <nandana> bye

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bye

13:56:00 <RiccardoAlbertoni> have a nice week end!

Riccardo Albertoni: have a nice week end!

13:56:02 <SumitPurohit> Thanks Everyone...Bye

Sumit Purohit: Thanks Everyone...Bye

13:56:07 <annette_g1> bye!

Annette Greiner: bye!

13:56:12 <gatemezi> bye

Ghislain Atemezing: bye

13:56:14 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public

13:57:02 <phila> scribe: annette_g1

(Scribe set to Annette Greiner)

13:58:50 <AdrianoC> Bye!

Adriano Pereira: Bye!

14:13:21 <phila> zakim, this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304

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Phil Archer: zakim, this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304

14:13:21 <Zakim> got it, phila

Zakim IRC Bot: got it, phila

14:13:30 <phila> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

14:13:30 <Zakim> I have been told this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304

Zakim IRC Bot: I have been told this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304

14:14:17 <phila> zakim, save this conference description

Phil Archer: zakim, save this conference description

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