12:54:38 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:54:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-dwbp-irc 12:54:40 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:54:40 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:54:42 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:54:42 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 12:54:43 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:54:43 Date: 18 September 2015 12:56:19 RiccardoAlbertoni has joined #DWBP 12:57:20 newtoncalegari has joined #dwbp 12:57:38 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 12:58:21 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 12:58:51 present+ 12:59:07 RiccardoAlbertoni present+ 12:59:07 present+ newtoncalegari 12:59:28 present+ deirdrelee 12:59:41 PeterWinstanley has joined #DWBP 12:59:44 present+ RiccardoAlbertoni 12:59:46 present+ MTCarrasco 13:00:11 chair: deirdrelee 13:00:15 scribe MTCarrasco 13:00:18 PeterWinstanley_ has joined #dwbp 13:00:24 present+ PeterWinstanley 13:00:28 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918 13:02:57 -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3448439 Sao Paulo weather 13:02:58 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:03:15 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918 13:03:16 phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 13:03:24 scribe: MTCarrasco 13:03:28 present+ phila 13:03:33 present +BernadetteLoscio 13:03:39 chair: Deirdre 13:03:48 TOPIC: Prelimenaries 13:03:50 PROPOSED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11 13:04:02 +1 13:04:07 +1 13:04:07 +1 13:04:07 0+ 13:04:18 antoine has joined #dwbp 13:04:21 anyone not happy? 13:04:24 nandana has joined #DWBP 13:04:32 present+ antoine 13:04:33 i was not here in the last call :( 13:04:38 RESOLVED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11 13:04:39 annette_g1 has joined #dwbp 13:04:41 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:04:41 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:04:49 PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11 13:04:52 present+ annette_g 13:04:56 +1 13:04:58 SumitPurohit has joined #DWBP 13:04:58 +1 13:04:59 +1 13:05:01 +1 13:05:02 +1 13:05:05 +1 13:05:05 +1 13:05:11 RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11 13:05:31 present+ nandana 13:05:37 present+ laufer 13:06:05 Topic: 13:06:07 TOPIC: Process for publication 13:06:34 phila: last-call and candidate recommendation are now the same 13:06:40 phila: examplain the details 13:06:51 adler1 has joined #DWBP 13:07:18 MTCarrasco: we need to record the details of what phila is describing 13:07:19 phila: aim for last call candiate rec 13:08:02 BernadetteLoscio_ has joined #dwbp 13:08:09 present +BernadetteLoscio 13:08:09 phila: meeting with the director, editor, etc 13:08:36 phila: once the editors are happy with final working draft, they propose last call 13:09:04 ..they then have meeting with w3c directors, chairs, editors 13:09:11 phila: the director is concerned with the form not the content 13:09:29 ..direcotr will ask if all issues have been addressed, all comments have been addressed, those that comment are happy wth resolution, etc 13:09:50 phila: only then it can go to candidate recommendation 13:10:00 present+ SumitPurohit 13:10:16 phila: aftern all this it can go to propose rec 13:10:20 .. only then will they agree to go to last call. to go on last call there has to be a criteria agreed with the director so they know when group's work is done 13:11:04 .. once directtor agrees with criteria of last call, then the document goes to candidate recommendation 13:11:10 +q 13:11:21 phila: the vocabularies will be notes the process do not apply 13:11:33 gatemezi has joined #dwbp 13:12:12 ..then the group addresses the criteria, the director takes over then, an dthe membership will vote to go to recommendation 13:12:13 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:12:22 SumitPurohit: question to phila 13:12:33 ..bp doc criteria could be something like to find two implemenations of each bp 13:12:39 ack SumitPurohit 13:13:09 phila: this only applies to bp doc, unless we want to publish dqv and duv as recommendations too 13:13:11 phila: recommendation more strict - two independent implemenations 13:13:23 q+ 13:13:41 phila: BP less strict 13:14:31 The process is described in detail at http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#Reports 13:14:42 last call and candidate rec are the same 13:14:42 to go to candidate rec requires 13:14:42 phone call w/dir, editors, chairs, Phil 13:14:42 we've got widespread review 13:14:43 we're ready for candidate rec phase 13:14:43 this is our exit criteria 13:14:43 usually Philipe l'hegare takes director's place 13:14:44 have you answered all the comments satisfactorily 13:14:44 when you go to CR, you state your criteria for ending candidate rec 13:14:44 e.g., every BP has been implemented/followed by at least 2 independent people 13:14:45 when done, go to proposed rec, membership votes 13:14:45 13:14:45 we're expecting the vocabs to be notes, so only BP doc needs all this. 13:14:50 Notes are less strict than Recommendations. The BP doc is expected to be a Rec, the vocabs are not 13:15:23 ack BernadetteLoscio_ 13:15:54 BernadetteLoscio_: we made a proposal for a timetable, not sure how long it will take for each step 13:16:06 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable 13:16:26 phila: the last call was minimun three weeks 13:16:34 phila: last call used to be 3 weeks, now ?? probably at least 4 weeks, um.... 13:17:30 … in practical terms, what you're saying is we're not going to change this doc until you tell us to. The period should not be less than 4 weeks. In fact, it will take that long to gather all the implementation info. 13:17:47 q+ 13:18:00 ack BernadetteLoscio_ 13:18:07 deirdrelee: it could be several months 13:18:13 BernadetteLoscio_: which period are you talking about? 13:18:16 must specify the deadline for further comments, which must be at least four weeks after publication, and should be longer for complex documents,. -> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#revised-cr 13:19:29 phila: the point where the group says "we think we have it", this is the candidate rec. There's no defined timeline between now and when you go into CR. 13:19:32 phila: this doc represents the best we can do and there is not a fix time for the period gathering more information 13:19:33 q? 13:19:40 q+ 13:19:53 BernadetteLoscio_: we should review the dates together at the F2F 13:20:44 BernadetteLoscio_: first we need more feedback on the doc, then we can start the implementations 13:21:21 phila: the group runs out of time in June next year 13:21:42 … March would be the absolute latest to go to CR 13:22:01 phila: March is the lastest - try to have it ready by the end of the year of January 13:22:07 January would be better, so we can work out substantive changes 13:22:30 phile: meaningfull changes one has to go back to draft 13:22:40 phila: CR may or may not be a one-time thing. 13:23:08 phila: we should try to get to CR before Christmas 13:23:19 s/phile/phila 13:23:41 BernadetteLoscio_: do we need to wait for people to implement, or do we all do this? 13:23:51 phila: we all do it as a community 13:23:54 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1 13:24:21 q- 13:24:37 q+ 13:24:39 yaso has joined #dwbp 13:24:42 phila: This goodle form is SharePSI's implementation form. It inlcudes a bunch of our stuff at the end, so that's a start for us. 13:24:49 sorry, that is not a real implementation 13:24:50 present+ yaso 13:25:00 phila: if lots of people do the form is evidence 13:25:09 theoretical implementations do not make a difference in the world 13:25:11 That's just an evaluation form.. 13:25:12 that is a super long form!! 13:25:47 phila: if it has been already implemented, the meeting takes one minute 13:25:49 A unicorn implementation! 13:25:56 q+ 13:26:09 phila: we'll need to build a table that shows the sets of BPs that each implementer implemented 13:26:31 I can wait to discuss this next week 13:26:37 q- 13:26:45 not all of "implementers" will implement each one of the BPs, is that right? 13:26:56 ack deirdrelee 13:26:56 deirdrelee: is there a way to collect names? 13:27:03 phila: yes 13:27:05 TOPIC: F2F 13:27:09 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo 13:27:15 q+ 13:27:19 deirdrelee: agenda for the F2F 13:27:20 how safe is Sao Paolo? 13:27:46 deirdrelee: list with the different types of attendes 13:27:53 deirdrelee: add your name to the list to say if you'll be there, be there remotely, etc. 13:28:11 How "safe"? 13:28:38 q+ 13:28:44 q+ 13:28:50 Yaso is going to answer his question 13:29:13 ack adler1 13:29:18 q? 13:29:22 ack adler 13:29:30 newtoncalegari: Sao Paolo is not a dangerous place, though its' best not to be wandering alone at midnight downtown. 13:29:32 newtoncalegari: safe but be careful 13:29:48 adler1: some people have warned him about showing camera, touristy stuff 13:29:57 newtoncalegari: yes, you have to be careful about that 13:30:22 adler1: be careful which taxis you take, don't take out a cell phone and use it for a map 13:30:50 AdrianoC has joined #dwbp 13:30:54 q? 13:30:58 q- 13:31:05 newtoncalegari: I think you don't have a problem with the cell phone as a map, just be aware at midnight. It's okay to bring a camera; I've never had a problem with taxis in SP 13:31:11 newtoncalegari: take the camera - not problem -be ware and be carefuk 13:31:45 Start time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=blah&iso=20150924T08&p1=233&ah=8 13:31:58 That's 8am SP time 13:32:09 SumitPurohit: and ericstephan at pacific time 13:32:12 deirdrelee: time difference: SP is notable 13:32:21 I would start at 9 13:32:21 .. is it a problem for anyone? 13:32:27 (eric s - currently reading through IRC and flying over the Rocky Mountains) I will attempt to remotely attend as much as possible but I am only committing to the DUV session. 13:33:10 deirdrelee: DUV at an appropriate time for Eric 13:33:14 I think it's okay 13:33:34 * hit return, Phil 13:33:38 q+ 13:34:12 deirdrelee: In Brasil starting early and the European not leaving too late 13:34:14 yaso: inaudible 13:34:22 Here there are some tips about São Paulo and places to visit in Engilsh http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/ 13:34:50 yaso: suggest starting at 9:00 13:35:20 yaso: I would suggest we start at 9 because of traffic 13:35:32 we can go by metro and train to the event... I think is ok... 13:35:40 deirdrelee: only problem is that it will get very late for people elsewhere 13:35:59 SumitPurohit: we could attend DUV via a conference room if you'd prefer... 13:36:14 yaso: about 50 minutes to the conference place 13:36:20 yaso: the hotel is 50 minutes away from the meeting 13:36:30 I am staying at the hilton 13:36:33 deirdrelee: remote people? 13:36:45 are we not meeting at the conference venue? 13:36:50 q+ 13:36:50 It depends how late it goes 13:36:55 it's 50 minutes to the meeting place... and 5 minutes to the conference place 13:37:11 what is the address of the meeting place 13:37:14 ack yaso 13:37:21 In our last F2F we have to be awake very early too... I do not see a problem in waking up at 6... 13:37:22 ack antoine 13:37:47 antoine: pretty sure he can't do late on a Friday 13:37:50 antoine: not ideal ... it is as good as it can get 13:37:50 Guys 13:37:54 q+ 13:38:17 or meeting in Austin begun 7 a.m. 13:38:36 what is the address of the meeting place? 13:38:49 yaso: cannot hear 13:39:08 Newton is going to help you to come to nic.br 13:39:26 ok to start at 8 am, Newton is going to help 13:39:33 q? 13:39:38 q- 13:39:43 q+ to talk about WebEx 13:40:16 phila: it is a different WebEx 13:40:25 I need the address info 13:40:42 phila: it is in the agenda 13:41:12 deirdrelee: goes over agenda for the F2F 13:41:14 Steve: the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP 13:41:28 @adler1 the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP 13:41:41 q? 13:41:44 ack phila 13:41:44 phila, you wanted to talk about WebEx 13:41:48 q+ 13:41:49 q 13:41:49 deirdrelee: 4 session 13:41:56 deirdrelee: what do people think? 13:42:16 BernadetteLoscio_: the BP doc more time 13:42:29 BernadetteLoscio_: as going to the final version 13:42:38 ack BernadetteLoscio_ 13:42:42 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP 13:42:55 BernadetteLoscio_: sent message with the proposed agenda 13:43:23 BernadetteLoscio_: do not if it can cover all - have a try 13:44:06 SumitPurohit: cannot hear ( can you self-scribe?) 13:44:27 i think so! 13:44:34 3 hrs per vocab and 6 hrs for bp doc 13:44:46 SumitPurohit: We should have 3 sessions of DQV and DUV and 6 sessions for BP 13:45:02 TOPIC: BP doc 13:45:13 q+ 13:45:35 deirdrelee: time together is very valuable - what do you want to achive? 13:45:41 deirdrelee: it's important for editors to have lists of issues, acitons, questions in advance 13:46:02 deirdrelee: conversation about the maturity level 13:46:32 deirdrelee: we need to keep a strict timeframe for open discussions 13:46:35 ack BernadetteLoscio_ 13:46:50 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV 13:47:07 BernadetteLoscio_: we have a similar agenda for DUV, sent by mail. 13:47:27 BernadetteLoscio_: for DUV, we want to close some issues before the F2F. 13:47:55 BernadetteLoscio_: there is a table of open issues. please take a look and see what can be closed. 13:48:07 BernadetteLoscio_: some are old 13:48:24 BernadetteLoscio_: try to close some 13:48:26 BernadetteLoscio_: it's… on the wiki, on the agenda page 13:48:53 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:49:18 * hi Caroline! 13:49:25 deirdrelee: important to clean up to focus 13:50:09 deirdrelee: people in charge to decide on the issues by email 13:50:52 deirdrelee: these documents a continously changing - do the homework 13:51:08 deirdrelee: we should all take an hour or so to review the docs ahead of the F2F 13:52:07 q? 13:52:59 deirdrelee: any thing about the logistics of the meeting? - from the Brasil team 13:53:17 http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/ 13:53:26 newtoncalegari: getting to NIC.br, I can get a cab and go to the hotel to pick up 13:53:50 Aston whatever 13:53:50 newtoncalegari: general tips on Sao Paulo - Caroline put-up a web site 13:54:37 deirdrelee: coffe breaks not in the agenda - we play by ear 13:54:37 newtoncalegari: will look up times for breakfast 13:54:58 deirdrelee: languages of the conference 13:55:12 newtoncalegari: both 13:55:29 https://www.google.com.br/maps/place/Av.+das+Na%C3%A7%C3%B5es+Unidas,+11541+-+Cidade+Mon%C3%A7%C3%B5es,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP/@-23.6013762,-46.6951745,17.29z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x94ce50cd25c87a7d:0xaaeaef480109402e?hl=pt-BR 13:55:38 Nic.br address in the Map 13:55:43 * I love the brocure, will review it to get in the mood remotely * 13:55:51 see you in sp... 13:55:51 Bye 13:55:55 bye all 13:55:55 thanks! 13:55:56 bye 13:56:00 have a nice week end! 13:56:02 Thanks Everyone...Bye 13:56:07 bye! 13:56:11 annette_g1 has left #dwbp 13:56:12 bye 13:56:14 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:57:02 scribe: annette_g1 13:58:50 Bye! 14:13:21 zakim, this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304 14:13:21 got it, phila 14:13:30 zakim, code? 14:13:30 I have been told this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304 14:14:17 zakim, save this conference description 14:14:17 this conference description has been saved, phila 15:33:31 yaso has joined #dwbp 16:15:52 Zakim has left #dwbp 17:30:23 yaso has joined #dwbp