12:59:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/07/03-dwbp-irc
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12:59:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
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12:59:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP ←
12:59:28 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
12:59:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:59:29 <trackbot> Date: 03 July 2015
12:59:40 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
12:59:44 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: present+ deirdrelee ←
12:59:51 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
12:59:51 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I don't know what conference this is ←
12:59:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, cgueret, yaso, phila, trackbot, hadleybeeman, rhiaro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, cgueret, yaso, phila, trackbot, hadleybeeman, rhiaro ←
13:00:10 <deirdrelee> zakim, this will be dwbp
Deirdre Lee: zakim, this will be dwbp ←
13:00:10 <deirdrelee> regrets: Makx
13:00:10 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, deirdrelee ←
13:00:56 <cgueret> deirdrelee, nope
Christophe Gueret: deirdrelee, nope ←
13:01:04 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150703
13:01:23 <phila> present+ phila
Phil Archer: present+ phila ←
13:01:42 <cgueret> deirdrelee, webex says it does not have access to my sound card
Christophe Gueret: deirdrelee, webex says it does not have access to my sound card ←
13:03:00 <phila> present+ Yaso
Phil Archer: present+ Yaso ←
13:03:00 <ericstephan> Hi just dialing in...
Eric Stephan: Hi just dialing in... ←
13:03:56 <MTCarrasco> present+
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: present+ ←
13:03:59 <Caroline> present+ Caroline
Caroline Burle: present+ Caroline ←
13:04:06 <phila> present+ MTCarrasco
Phil Archer: present+ MTCarrasco ←
13:04:12 <cgueret> deirdrelee, just called in with Skype and it works
Christophe Gueret: deirdrelee, just called in with Skype and it works ←
13:04:32 <cgueret> deirdrelee, of course I'm on Linux. What else ? ;-)
Christophe Gueret: deirdrelee, of course I'm on Linux. What else ? ;-) ←
13:04:45 <ericstephan> zakim, who is here?
Eric Stephan: zakim, who is here? ←
13:04:45 <Zakim> sorry, ericstephan, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ericstephan, I don't know what conference this is ←
13:04:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see jerdeb, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Caroline, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, cgueret, yaso, phila, trackbot, hadleybeeman, rhiaro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jerdeb, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, Caroline, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, cgueret, yaso, phila, trackbot, hadleybeeman, rhiaro ←
13:05:08 <yaso> I'm on linux also :-/
Yaso Córdova: I'm on linux also :-/ ←
13:05:14 <hadleybeeman> Present+ hadleybeeman
Hadley Beeman: Present+ hadleybeeman ←
13:05:28 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:05:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/03-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/03-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:05:44 <cgueret> present+ cgueret
Christophe Gueret: present+ cgueret ←
13:05:54 <ericstephan> present+ ericstephan
Eric Stephan: present+ ericstephan ←
13:06:22 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
13:06:29 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:06:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/03-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/03-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:06:53 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:06:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/03-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/03-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:07:09 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb
Jeremy Debattista: present+ jerdeb ←
13:07:31 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150703
Hadley Beeman: hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150703 ←
13:07:40 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150703
Hadley Beeman: hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150703 ←
13:07:58 <cgueret> yup
Christophe Gueret: yup ←
13:08:06 <deirdrelee> scribe: cgueret
(Scribe set to Christophe Gueret)
13:08:39 <ericstephan> I self-muted did that help?
Eric Stephan: I self-muted did that help? ←
13:09:04 <cgueret> deirdrelee, two topics for today
deirdrelee, two topics for today ←
13:09:11 <cgueret> ... will discuss open issues
... will discuss open issues ←
13:09:21 <cgueret> topic: f2f meeting
13:09:46 <cgueret> deirdrelee, f2f should be in Brasil
deirdrelee, f2f should be in Brasil ←
13:10:14 <cgueret> ... to be fair with the people from the group leaving there and had travel to other locations in the past
... to be fair with the people from the group leaving there and had travel to other locations in the past ←
13:10:26 <Caroline> 24 and 25
Caroline Burle: 24 and 25 ←
13:10:35 <Caroline> of September
Caroline Burle: of September ←
13:10:42 <cgueret> ... proposal is one f2f in SP
... proposal is one f2f in SP ←
13:11:03 <Caroline> http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/
Caroline Burle: http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/ ←
13:11:05 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
13:11:07 <cgueret> ... there would be a conference preceding the f2f
... there would be a conference preceding the f2f ←
13:11:17 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:11:20 <cgueret> ... comments ?
... comments ? ←
13:11:42 <cgueret> Caroline, we have the conference and a call for paper for it
Caroline, we have the conference and a call for paper for it ←
13:11:44 <Caroline> http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/call-for-submissions/
Caroline Burle: http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/call-for-submissions/ ←
13:11:45 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline ←
13:11:52 <cgueret> ... could help people to come if they get a paper in
... could help people to come if they get a paper in ←
13:12:07 <cgueret> ... everyone is invited to submit something
... everyone is invited to submit something ←
13:12:10 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:12:53 <cgueret> ... ping Caroline for questions about the conference
... ping Caroline for questions about the conference ←
13:13:28 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
13:13:32 <cgueret> ericstephan, it does help to know there is a conference
ericstephan, it does help to know there is a conference ←
13:13:34 <laufer> present+ laufer
Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer ←
13:13:56 <cgueret> ... other hurdle for us is the window for travelling outside the country
... other hurdle for us is the window for travelling outside the country ←
13:14:14 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:14:18 <Caroline> +1 ericstephan!
Caroline Burle: +1 ericstephan! ←
13:14:43 <cgueret> phila, is it presentations or interactive discussions at the conference ?
phila, is it presentations or interactive discussions at the conference ? ←
13:14:45 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:14:58 <cgueret> ... what kind of conference is it ? size ?
... what kind of conference is it ? size ? ←
13:15:06 <yaso> It's a conference for +- 400 people
Yaso Córdova: It's a conference for +- 400 people ←
13:15:13 <yaso> mostly developers
Yaso Córdova: mostly developers ←
13:15:21 <yaso> but there's also business people
Yaso Córdova: but there's also business people ←
13:15:33 <cgueret> Caroline, we have different formats
Caroline, we have different formats ←
13:15:41 <cgueret> ... tutorial, speech, round table
... tutorial, speech, round table ←
13:15:42 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
13:15:45 <cgueret> ... it's flexible
... it's flexible ←
13:16:07 <phila> A lightning talk?
Phil Archer: A lightning talk? ←
13:16:26 <cgueret> ... attenders are mostly devs
... attenders are mostly devs ←
13:16:39 <cgueret> ... but we have a track "data on the web"
... but we have a track "data on the web" ←
13:16:54 <cgueret> ... will be a round table
... will be a round table ←
13:17:08 <cgueret> ... speak about semantic web and data on the web
... speak about semantic web and data on the web ←
13:17:27 <yaso> http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/call-for-submissions/
Yaso Córdova: http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/call-for-submissions/ ←
13:17:46 <cgueret> yaso, just sent the link for the CFP
yaso, just sent the link for the CFP ←
13:18:04 <deirdrelee> ack yaso
Deirdre Lee: ack yaso ←
13:18:06 <cgueret> ... very flexible, just sent us an email
... very flexible, just send us an email ←
13:18:13 <yaso> http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/call-for-submissions/
Yaso Córdova: http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/call-for-submissions/ ←
13:18:14 <cgueret> s/sent/send
13:18:43 <cgueret> topic: Last Week's Minutes
13:19:03 <cgueret> ericstephan, do we want to approve minutes first ?
ericstephan, do we want to approve minutes first ? ←
13:19:16 <ericstephan> :-)
Eric Stephan: :-) ←
13:19:24 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-26
PROPOSED: Accept last week's meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-26 ←
13:19:28 <ericstephan> its the summer heat
Eric Stephan: its the summer heat ←
13:19:31 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:19:32 <ericstephan> :-)
Eric Stephan: :-) ←
13:19:36 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:19:36 <Adrianoc-UFMG> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
13:19:38 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:19:44 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:19:45 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:20:02 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Accept last week's meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-26
RESOLVED: Accept last week's meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-26 ←
13:20:15 <cgueret> topic: DUV
13:20:34 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/ The Dataset Usage Vocabulary FPWD
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/ The Dataset Usage Vocabulary FPWD ←
13:20:56 <cgueret> ericstephan, editors not available at this meeting
ericstephan, editors not available at this meeting ←
13:21:06 <cgueret> ... propose to use the time of this meeting to gather feedback
... propose to use the time of this meeting to gather feedback ←
13:21:13 <cgueret> ... wait for closing issues
... wait for closing issues ←
13:21:24 <cgueret> deirdrelee, ok
deirdrelee, ok ←
13:21:26 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open ←
13:22:00 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/169
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/169 ←
13:22:01 <hadleybeeman> issue-169?
13:22:01 <trackbot> issue-169 -- Should usage be specified at the Dataset or Distribution level? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-169 -- Should usage be specified at the Dataset or Distribution level? -- open ←
13:22:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/169
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/169 ←
13:22:33 <deirdrelee> Q?
Deirdre Lee: Q? ←
13:22:34 <cgueret> ericstephan: carlos is not on the call
Eric Stephan: carlos is not on the call ←
13:22:54 <cgueret> ... 3 constructs in the vocabulary
... 3 constructs in the vocabulary ←
13:23:04 <cgueret> ... 1) how to someone may use a dataset
... 1) how to someone may use a dataset ←
13:23:09 <cgueret> ... 2) citations
... 2) citations ←
13:23:15 <cgueret> ... 3) describe feedback
... 3) describe feedback ←
13:23:42 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:23:48 <cgueret> ... probably looking at that from a pragmatic point of view. What is an application consuming ?
... probably looking at that from a pragmatic point of view. What is an application consuming ? ←
13:24:20 <cgueret> ... depending on circumstances both make sense
... depending on circumstances both make sense ←
13:24:31 <cgueret> ... initially described at dataset level
... initially described at dataset level ←
13:24:34 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:24:41 <cgueret> phila: answer is "it depends"
Phil Archer: answer is "it depends" ←
13:24:48 <cgueret> ... most cases at dataset level
... most cases at dataset level ←
13:25:27 <cgueret> ... distribution level is important when feedback is provided
... distribution level is important when feedback is provided ←
13:25:44 <cgueret> ... for citation and feedback the dataset level is probably the most sensible one
... for citation and feedback the dataset level is probably the most sensible one ←
13:26:07 <cgueret> ... we should be able to say the DUV can be applied to either and give example for it
... we should be able to say the DUV can be applied to either and give example for it ←
13:26:19 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:26:21 <cgueret> ... be flexible and provide guidance
... be flexible and provide guidance ←
13:26:37 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:26:48 <cgueret> ericstephan: thanks!
Eric Stephan: thanks! ←
13:27:39 <cgueret> ericstephan: the idea would be to include distributions in the model then
Eric Stephan: the idea would be to include distributions in the model then ←
13:28:22 <cgueret> ... there were discussions on how to define data on the web and we settled on datasets
... there were discussions on how to define data on the web and we settled on datasets ←
13:28:39 <cgueret> ... then saw there was also a lot of discussions about distributions
... then saw there was also a lot of discussions about distributions ←
13:28:54 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:28:58 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:29:09 <cgueret> laufer: really important issue
Carlos Laufer: really important issue ←
13:29:18 <cgueret> ... good to include distributions in the model
... good to include distributions in the model ←
13:29:34 <cgueret> ... dataset is an abstract thing
... dataset is a thing that a consumer does not have a direct access ←
13:29:50 <cgueret> ... a consumer never sees a dataset
... a consumer never sees a dataset ←
13:29:55 <cgueret> ... just a distribution of it
... just a distribution of it ←
13:30:19 <cgueret> ericstephan: slight disagreement here, it depends on the community you talk to
Eric Stephan: slight disagreement here, it depends on the community you talk to ←
13:30:41 <cgueret> ... for some a "dataset" is a large combinaison of distributions
... for some a "dataset" is a large combinaison of distributions ←
13:31:26 <cgueret> laufer: there is no such thing as direct access to a dataset
Carlos Laufer: there is no such thing as direct access to a dataset ←
13:31:29 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:31:39 <cgueret> ... publishing gives access through a distribution
... publishing gives access through a distribution ←
13:32:41 <cgueret> ericstephan: taking back on the example for climate scientists a dataset is a collection of distributions
Eric Stephan: taking back on the example for climate scientists a dataset is a collection of distributions ←
13:33:11 <cgueret> ... we do not try to track causality here
... we do not try to track causality here ←
13:33:27 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:33:38 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:33:45 <cgueret> phila: everyone is right
Phil Archer: everyone is right ←
13:34:05 <cgueret> ... we have on purpose defined things vaguely so far
... we have on purpose defined things vaguely so far ←
13:34:44 <cgueret> ... so we have to make it so that the vocabulary can be applied to both
... so we have to make it so that the vocabulary can be applied to both ←
13:35:15 <cgueret> ... and then specific usage is context dependant
... and then specific usage is context dependant ←
13:35:47 <cgueret> deirdrelee: there could be cases where feedback on distributions could help publisher decided on which formats to keep
Deirdre Lee: there could be cases where feedback on distributions could help publisher decided on which formats to keep ←
13:36:11 <cgueret> ericstephan: ok to be flexible and high level
Eric Stephan: ok to be flexible and high level ←
13:36:15 <cgueret> +1
+1 ←
13:36:49 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/ Our comment tracker
Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/ Our comment tracker ←
13:36:49 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:36:58 <cgueret> ericstephan: have not got feedback on the vocabulary except from specific contacts established
Eric Stephan: have not got feedback on the vocabulary except from specific contacts established ←
13:37:21 <cgueret> ... we are re-using things people already use
... we are re-using things people already use ←
13:38:09 <cgueret> phila: ivan was interested, he is in charge of open annotation group
Phil Archer: ivan was interested, he is in charge of open annotation group ←
13:38:32 <laufer> s/dataset is an abstract thing/dataset is a thing that a consumer does not have a direct access/
13:38:35 <cgueret> ... they want to express what motivates somebody to provide an annotation
... they want to express what motivates somebody to provide an annotation ←
13:38:40 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:38:44 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:38:55 <cgueret> ... relates to us to knowing why would someone bother writing DUV data
... relates to us to knowing why would someone bother writing DUV data ←
13:39:31 <cgueret> deirdrelee: particularly relevant for APIs
Deirdre Lee: particularly relevant for APIs ←
13:40:09 <cgueret> ... motivation scenario could be a link with the consumers through the APIs
... motivation scenario could be a link with the consumers through the APIs ←
13:40:13 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/170
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/170 ←
13:40:17 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:40:30 <cgueret> issue-170?
13:40:30 <trackbot> issue-170 -- Should we use Software or earl:Software instead of duv:Application? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-170 -- Should we use Software or earl:Software instead of duv:Application? -- open ←
13:40:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/170
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/170 ←
13:40:59 <cgueret> ericstephan: good comments about vocab reuse
Eric Stephan: good comments about vocab reuse ←
13:41:48 <cgueret> ... the duv:Application relates to work from Bernadette on modeling
... the duv:Application relates to work from Bernadette on modeling ←
13:42:03 <cgueret> ... we used prov:Activity before
... we used prov:Activity before ←
13:42:15 <cgueret> ... maybe prov:Agent would have been better
... maybe prov:Agent would have been better ←
13:42:23 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:42:23 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:42:28 <cgueret> ... curious to get comments on what to use
... curious to get comments on what to use ←
13:42:30 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#Software
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#Software ←
13:42:32 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:42:56 <cgueret> phila: EARL has been around for a long time
Phil Archer: EARL has been around for a long time ←
13:43:04 <cgueret> ... not updated since May 2011
... not updated since May 2011 ←
13:43:12 <phila> A Software is any piece of software such as an authoring tool, browser, or evaluation tool. It can be used to describe an Assertor, such as a validation or other quality assurance tool, and it can be used to describe a Test Subject (for example to test compliance of an authoring tool to Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines [ATAG] or of a browser to User Agent Accessibility Guidelines [UAAG]).
Phil Archer: A Software is any piece of software such as an authoring tool, browser, or evaluation tool. It can be used to describe an Assertor, such as a validation or other quality assurance tool, and it can be used to describe a Test Subject (for example to test compliance of an authoring tool to Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines [ATAG] or of a browser to User Agent Accessibility Guidelines [UAAG]). ←
13:43:13 <gatemezi> More on Software Classes http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/terms?q=Software&type=class on LOV
Ghislain Atemezing: More on Software Classes http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/terms?q=Software&type=class on LOV ←
13:43:34 <cgueret> ... they have something specific in mind
... they have something specific in mind ←
13:43:44 <cgueret> ... and define it as a subclass of DOAP
... and define it as a subclass of DOAP ←
13:43:58 <cgueret> ... this may not be what the DUV is after
... this may not be what the DUV is after ←
13:44:26 <cgueret> ... earl:Sofware is a sub of doap:Project
... earl:Sofware is a sub of doap:Project ←
13:44:33 <cgueret> ... so maybe use doap directly
... so maybe use doap directly ←
13:44:45 <cgueret> ericstephan: a bit concerned about the lack of updates
Eric Stephan: a bit concerned about the lack of updates ←
13:46:30 <cgueret> phila: if a publisher wants to know the data has been used in some software it is probably not so important to know the exact nature of the software
Phil Archer: if a publisher wants to know the data has been used in some software it is probably not so important to know the exact nature of the software ←
13:46:34 <cgueret> ericstephan: agree
Eric Stephan: agree ←
13:46:36 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:46:53 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:47:01 <cgueret> laufer: like the idea of prov:Activity
Carlos Laufer: like the idea of prov:Activity ←
13:47:27 <cgueret> q+ to say prov:Agent would fit better than prov:Activity
q+ to say prov:Agent would fit better than prov:Activity ←
13:48:14 <cgueret> ericstephan: everything can be mapped to prov
Eric Stephan: everything can be mapped to prov ←
13:48:17 <laufer> a Dataset as a kind of prov:hadPrimarySource
Carlos Laufer: a Dataset as a kind of prov:hadPrimarySource ←
13:48:33 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:48:56 <cgueret> yep, speaking right now
yep, speaking right now ←
13:49:20 <deirdrelee> ack cgueret
Deirdre Lee: ack cgueret ←
13:49:20 <Zakim> cgueret, you wanted to say prov:Agent would fit better than prov:Activity
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret, you wanted to say prov:Agent would fit better than prov:Activity ←
13:49:20 <gatemezi> Agree with ericstephan.
Ghislain Atemezing: Agree with ericstephan. ←
13:49:22 <ericstephan> I believe you are correct cgueret
Eric Stephan: I believe you are correct cgueret ←
13:50:31 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/171
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/171 ←
13:50:33 <cgueret> issue-171?
13:50:33 <trackbot> issue-171 -- Should dct:creator or doap:developer be used instead of duv:developedBy? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-171 -- Should dct:creator or doap:developer be used instead of duv:developedBy? -- open ←
13:50:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/171
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/171 ←
13:50:54 <cgueret> ericstephan: another re-use question
Eric Stephan: another re-use question ←
13:51:20 <phila> +1 to using DC unless there's a reason not to
Phil Archer: +1 to using DC unless there's a reason not to ←
13:51:26 <cgueret> ... preference to DC
... preference to DC ←
13:51:30 <hadleybeeman> +1 to DC
Hadley Beeman: +1 to DC ←
13:51:31 <laufer> but an Agent consumes an Entity?
Carlos Laufer: but an Agent consumes an Entity? ←
13:51:35 <cgueret> +1 for DC too
+1 for DC too ←
13:52:22 <cgueret> deirdrelee: maybe good to define publisher and creator with two matching dates
Deirdre Lee: maybe good to define publisher and creator with two matching dates ←
13:53:06 <cgueret> ericstephan: looking at DCAT they re-use a lot DC
Eric Stephan: looking at DCAT they re-use a lot DC ←
13:53:33 <cgueret> ... we re-use DCAT as a base and should aim at being complementary
... we re-use DCAT as a base and should aim at being complementary ←
13:53:42 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/172
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/172 ←
13:53:48 <cgueret> issue-172?
13:53:48 <trackbot> issue-172 -- Should duv:generates be removed? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-172 -- Should duv:generates be removed? -- open ←
13:53:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/172
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/172 ←
13:54:39 <cgueret> ericstephan: added this property because we thought data consumers write things
Eric Stephan: added this property because we thought data consumers write things ←
13:54:42 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:54:46 <cgueret> q+ to leave that to PROV
q+ to leave that to PROV ←
13:55:08 <cgueret> ericstephan: does it break something to have it ?
Eric Stephan: does it break something to have it ? ←
13:55:23 <cgueret> ... is a consumer creating something becoming a publisher ?
... is a consumer creating something becoming a publisher ? ←
13:55:45 <cgueret> deirdrelee: the property is definitely valid but we may not need to include it in a vocab about usage
Deirdre Lee: the property is definitely valid but we may not need to include it in a vocab about usage ←
13:55:57 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:56:16 <gatemezi> I thought there is an axiom stating that duv:Consumer owl:differentFrom duv:Publisher
Ghislain Atemezing: I thought there is an axiom stating that duv:Consumer owl:differentFrom duv:Publisher ←
13:56:33 <phila> cgueret: I don't think we have to express it in DUV. If you want to say that some data was produced by an application, PROV has it covered so we can just point to that
Christophe Gueret: I don't think we have to express it in DUV. If you want to say that some data was produced by an application, PROV has it covered so we can just point to that [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:56:42 <deirdrelee> ack cgueret
Deirdre Lee: ack cgueret ←
13:56:42 <Zakim> cgueret, you wanted to leave that to PROV
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret, you wanted to leave that to PROV ←
13:57:07 <phila> ericstephan: Maybe some guidance should be included without having something as part of the vocabulary.
Eric Stephan: Maybe some guidance should be included without having something as part of the vocabulary. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:57:19 <phila> ... you could leverage PROV if you wanted to
Phil Archer: ... you could leverage PROV if you wanted to ←
13:57:22 <phila> cgueret: Yep
Christophe Gueret: Yep [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:57:29 <gatemezi> + 1 to ericstephan point. And with samples
Ghislain Atemezing: + 1 to ericstephan point. And with samples ←
13:58:52 <cgueret> ericstephan: ok, so resolve not to put it in the model then but describe how prov can be used when needed
Eric Stephan: ok, so resolve not to put it in the model then but describe how prov can be used when needed ←
13:59:08 <cgueret> deirdrelee: we can continue discussing on mail
Deirdre Lee: we can continue discussing on mail ←
13:59:15 <cgueret> ericstephan: thx for the feedback!
Eric Stephan: thx for the feedback! ←
13:59:53 <cgueret> phila: took two days to get the documents to be publishable
Phil Archer: took two days to get the documents to be publishable ←
14:00:08 <cgueret> ... maybe some changes will be back-propagated to the editor drafts
... maybe some changes will be back-propagated to the editor drafts ←
14:00:18 <gatemezi> Thanks phila for all the support
Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks phila for all the support ←
14:00:23 <cgueret> deirdrelee: next call on DQV
Deirdre Lee: next call on DQV ←
14:00:42 <ericstephan> bp and duv and dq connectivity?
Eric Stephan: bp and duv and dq connectivity? ←
14:00:46 <cgueret> hadleybeeman: we need to talk about DCAT next week
Hadley Beeman: we need to talk about DCAT next week ←
14:01:07 <Caroline> bye!
Caroline Burle: bye! ←
14:01:08 <laufer> bye all... nice weekend... be careful with sun... use your hats...
Carlos Laufer: bye all... nice weekend... be careful with sun... use your hats... ←
14:01:09 <cgueret> deirdrelee: ok and BP doc next week
Deirdre Lee: ok and BP doc next week ←
14:01:09 <MTCarrasco> bye
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: bye ←
14:01:12 <cgueret> bye
bye ←
14:01:19 <gatemezi> ciao!
Ghislain Atemezing: ciao! ←
14:01:37 <ericstephan> I used my pickup last weekend for a swimming pool laufer
Eric Stephan: I used my pickup last weekend for a swimming pool laufer ←
14:01:49 <ericstephan> :-) phila
Eric Stephan: :-) phila ←
14:01:53 <laufer> lol, eric
Carlos Laufer: lol, eric ←
14:01:55 <cgueret> ^_^ phila
^_^ phila ←
14:03:39 <phila> regrets+ Makx
Phil Archer: regrets+ Makx ←
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