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12:39:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:39:16 <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2015
12:39:57 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150626 WexEx link: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9
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12:40:06 <phila> Chair: Hadley
12:40:19 <phila> Regrets+ Riccardo, Antoine, Christophe
Phil Archer: Regrets+ Riccardo, Antoine, Christophe ←
13:02:12 <hadleybeeman> Present+ hadleybeeman
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Hadley Beeman: Present+ hadleybeeman ←
13:02:22 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?
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13:02:22 <hadleybeeman> Guest: Newton Calegari
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13:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, BernadetteLoscio, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, rhiaro, trackbot, hadleybeeman
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13:02:49 <Eric_Kauz> Present +
13:03:32 <BernadetteLoscio> present +BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: present +BernadetteLoscio ←
13:03:42 <Eric_Kauz> present +Eric_Kauz
Eric Kauz: present +Eric_Kauz ←
13:03:46 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio ←
13:04:04 <PeterWinstanley> present + PeterWinstanley
Peter Winstanley: present + PeterWinstanley ←
13:05:30 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: present+ Caroline_ ←
13:05:46 <PeterWinstanley> present+ PeterWinstanley
Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley ←
13:05:50 <ericstephan> zakim, who is here?
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13:05:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see laufer, Caroline_, ericstephan, PeterWinstanley, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, BernadetteLoscio, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, rhiaro, trackbot, hadleybeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see laufer, Caroline_, ericstephan, PeterWinstanley, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, BernadetteLoscio, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, rhiaro, trackbot, hadleybeeman ←
13:08:17 <BernadetteLoscio> yes!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes! ←
13:08:35 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim
Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:08:35 <Zakim> sorry, hadleybeeman, I don't know what conference this is
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13:09:12 <annette_g> working on it
Annette Greiner: working on it ←
13:09:49 <laufer> one minute...
Carlos Laufer: one minute... ←
13:09:51 <hadleybeeman> laufer, would you be willing to scribe today?
Hadley Beeman: laufer, would you be willing to scribe today? ←
13:10:25 <hadleybeeman> scribe: PeterWinstanley
(Scribe set to Peter Winstanley)
13:10:41 <laufer> i lost my screen from webex...
Carlos Laufer: i lost my screen from webex... ←
13:10:55 <ericstephan> 44 degrees here on monday hadley
Eric Stephan: 44 degrees here on monday hadley ←
13:11:05 <newton> present+ newton
Newton Calegari: present+ newton ←
13:12:01 <PeterWinstanley> topic:Next F2F
13:12:16 <laufer> I am back... sorry I had lost the webex screen... everything is ok now...
Carlos Laufer: I am back... sorry I had lost the webex screen... everything is ok now... ←
13:12:22 <laufer> I can scribe...
Carlos Laufer: I can scribe... ←
13:12:40 <laufer> present+
Carlos Laufer: present+ ←
13:12:59 <laufer> thank you peter...
Carlos Laufer: thank you peter... ←
13:13:13 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: would love to have meeting in Brazil *but* there is not enough funding, so we need to agree a split meeting - one in Amsterdam, another with the WebBr conference in Braziil
Hadley Beeman: would love to have meeting in Brazil *but* there is not enough funding, so we need to agree a split meeting - one in Amsterdam, another with the WebBr conference in Braziil ←
13:13:43 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: we need to use collab tools to ensure that we get the work done
Hadley Beeman: we need to use collab tools to ensure that we get the work done ←
13:13:56 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: agendas & chairs:
Hadley Beeman: agendas & chairs: ←
13:14:16 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: > need to update use cases
Hadley Beeman: > need to update use cases ←
13:14:27 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: > update CKAN for vocabs
Hadley Beeman: > update CKAN for vocabs ←
13:14:45 <annette_g> present+ annette_g
Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g ←
13:14:52 <annette_g> * finally
Annette Greiner: * finally ←
13:14:56 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:14:58 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: > need to get at least 2 examples of implementations 'in the wild'
Hadley Beeman: > need to get at least 2 examples of implementations 'in the wild' ←
13:15:11 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
13:15:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:16:13 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#implementation-experience Implementation Experience
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#implementation-experience Implementation Experience ←
13:16:14 <PeterWinstanley> Eric_Kauz: if I have a project, and it is using the BP, does that count?
Eric Stephan: if I have a project, and it is using the BP, does that count? ←
13:17:19 <annette_g> s/Eric_Kauz/ericstephan
13:17:22 <PeterWinstanley> phila: definition of implementaiton experience exists. Implementations by others outwith the group carry more weight, but in their absence then implementations within the group are OK
Phil Archer: definition of implementaiton experience exists. Implementations by others outwith the group carry more weight, but in their absence then implementations within the group are OK ←
13:17:59 <PeterWinstanley> ... the Director is needing to ensure that the process has been followed correctly
... the Director is needing to ensure that the process has been followed correctly ←
13:18:44 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: we are also trying to show that others agree/use/validate the BPs that the group has desribed
Hadley Beeman: we are also trying to show that others agree/use/validate the BPs that the group has desribed ←
13:18:53 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio
Hadley Beeman: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:19:05 <Makx> present Makx
Makx Dekkers: present Makx ←
13:19:53 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: How to make this more tangible? can we find BPs split across implementations?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: How to make this more tangible? can we find BPs split across implementations? ←
13:20:01 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:20:01 <PeterWinstanley> phila: yes
Phil Archer: yes ←
13:20:08 <annette_g> q-
Annette Greiner: q- ←
13:20:23 <phila> Topic: DCAT
13:20:51 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: we need a vote: Do we extend DCAT or are our vocabs seperate?
Hadley Beeman: we need a vote: Do we extend DCAT or are our vocabs seperate? ←
13:21:09 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:21:09 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:21:24 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
13:21:57 <hadleybeeman> ack phila
Hadley Beeman: ack phila ←
13:22:02 <PeterWinstanley> Eric_Kauz: I thought we had agreed to defer, awaiting comment/feedback. The last discussion ended with us defering the decision
Eric Kauz: I thought we had agreed to defer, awaiting comment/feedback. The last discussion ended with us defering the decision ←
13:22:09 <hadleybeeman> s/eric_kauz/ericstephan
Hadley Beeman: s/eric_kauz/ericstephan (warning: replacement failed) ←
13:22:19 <BernadetteLoscio> yes... it was me :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes... it was me :) ←
13:22:42 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:23:24 <PeterWinstanley> phila: Within the BP document there is the topic of versioning: this is a key topic to be discussed in the conversation surrounding DCAT updating. If we decide not to tackle DCAT in any way, versioning still is a point to consider
Phil Archer: Within the BP document there is the topic of versioning: this is a key topic to be discussed in the conversation surrounding DCAT updating. If we decide not to tackle DCAT in any way, versioning still is a point to consider ←
13:23:33 <PeterWinstanley> ...what are we doing about that?
...what are we doing about that? ←
13:24:31 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:24:34 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
13:24:37 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: I remember the conversation that Erik mentioned, but am concerned that we won't have enough time - it can be 18 months - and we would need to demonstrate >=2 illustrations for every term in the vocabulary
Hadley Beeman: I remember the conversation that Erik mentioned, but am concerned that we won't have enough time - it can be 18 months - and we would need to demonstrate >=2 illustrations for every term in the vocabulary ←
13:24:46 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
13:24:53 <PeterWinstanley> ...but we could recommend for later work
...but we could recommend for later work ←
13:25:25 <PeterWinstanley> Eric_Kauz: it seemed like there were follow on activities after the Gov LD group -
Eric Stephan: it seemed like there were follow on activities after the Gov LD group - ←
13:25:53 <annette_g> s/Eric_Kauz/ericstephan
13:26:20 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:26:41 <PeterWinstanley> phila: this group is the folllow up to the Gov LD group. I don't see any other candidate WG that would handle DCAT. It's a niche, esp for EC, but is not considered that important across other groups
Phil Archer: this group is the folllow up to the Gov LD group. I don't see any other candidate WG that would handle DCAT. It's a niche, esp for EC, but is not considered that important across other groups ←
13:26:56 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
13:27:03 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:27:04 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: we would need to do this work independent of W3C help
Hadley Beeman: we would need to do this work independent of W3C help, as a W3C Community Group ←
13:27:22 <hadleybeeman> s/of W3C help/of W3C help, as a W3C Community Group
13:28:20 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
13:29:06 <PeterWinstanley> Eric_Kauz: if we made DCAT a rec it would create more opportunities for people to use the DQV DEC etc
Eric Stephan: if we made DCAT a rec it would create more opportunities for people to use the DQV DEC etc ←
13:29:16 <hadleybeeman> s/Eric_Kauz/ericstephan
13:29:38 <yaso_> +present yaso
Yaso Córdova: +present yaso ←
13:29:59 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:30:00 <PeterWinstanley> phila: but we would need to provide examples for hte DUV and DQV - we have only a year left. we only need to talk about new terms, but it could present more work than we can manage
Phil Archer: but we would need to provide examples for hte DUV and DQV - we have only a year left. we only need to talk about new terms, but it could present more work than we can manage ←
13:30:21 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:30:41 <laufer> present+ laufer
Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer ←
13:30:48 <hadleybeeman> present+ yaso
Hadley Beeman: present+ yaso ←
13:30:55 <ericstephan> rdesc
Eric Stephan: rdesc ←
13:31:20 <PeterWinstanley> Eric_Kauz: people on our RDESC are interested in using/linking to DCAT - it's in line with things we are interested in doing
Eric Stephan: people on our RDESC are interested in using/linking to DCAT - it's in line with things we are interested in doing ←
13:31:31 <hadleybeeman> s/Eric_Kauz/ericstephan
13:31:43 <phila> s/Eric_Kauz/ericstephan
13:32:15 <Makx> q+ on adding versioning to DCAT
Makx Dekkers: q+ on adding versioning to DCAT ←
13:32:30 <phila> scribe: phila
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
13:32:33 <laufer> I can try
Carlos Laufer: I can try ←
13:32:45 <phila> ericstephan: It wouldn't make sense for PNNL to be in a corner on our own
Eric Stephan: It wouldn't make sense for PNNL to be in a corner on our own ←
13:32:50 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio
Hadley Beeman: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:32:50 <phila> ... but this is interesting for us
... but this is interesting for us ←
13:33:02 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I agree with Eric - it's better if we can include the DUV in DCAT
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree with Eric - it's better if we can include the DUV in DCAT ←
13:33:09 <phila> ... but I'm also afraid of the time that we have
... but I'm also afraid of the time that we have ←
13:33:18 <phila> ... maybe we need to think about implementations
... maybe we need to think about implementations ←
13:33:33 <phila> ... we'll need to do this together with implementations of the BPs. Maybe that's easier?
... we'll need to do this together with implementations of the BPs. Maybe that's easier? ←
13:33:45 <phila> ... For versioning - I think there's something missing
... For versioning - I think there's something missing ←
13:33:55 <Caroline__> present+ Caroline__
Caroline Burle: present+ Caroline__ ←
13:34:00 <phila> ... There's something missing between dataset and distribution. Its' ahrd to define BPs without it
... There's something missing between dataset and distribution. Its' ahrd to define BPs without it ←
13:34:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: If we can find a solution as a group, that will be beasier to find implementations
Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we can find a solution as a group, that will be beasier to find implementations ←
13:34:28 <phila> ... so I think it would be easier to show implementations if we handle versions
... so I think it would be easier to show implementations if we handle versions ←
13:34:45 <phila> hadleybeeman: Interesting. I think we'll hold on to that
Hadley Beeman: Interesting. I think we'll hold on to that ←
13:34:53 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:34:54 <phila> ... I think you;re on to something valuable
... I think you;re on to something valuable ←
13:34:57 <phila> ack Makx
ack Makx ←
13:34:57 <Zakim> Makx, you wanted to comment on adding versioning to DCAT
Zakim IRC Bot: Makx, you wanted to comment on adding versioning to DCAT ←
13:35:18 <phila> Makx: I want to come back to the EC's interest in versioning.
Makx Dekkers: I want to come back to the EC's interest in versioning. ←
13:35:27 <phila> ... I think the issue is much more complex than versioning.
... I think the issue is much more complex than versioning. ←
13:35:31 <phila> ... What do you call a version?
... What do you call a version? ←
13:35:35 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 to Makx!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to Makx! ←
13:35:42 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:35:47 <phila> ... We have added 'isVersionOf' and 'hasVersion' to the applicationb profile
... We have added 'isVersionOf' and 'hasVersion' to the applicationb profile ←
13:35:56 <phila> ... but the issue is what do you call a version
... but the issue is what do you call a version ←
13:36:00 <phila> ... people have different ideas
... people have different ideas ←
13:36:02 <phila> q+
q+ ←
13:36:11 <phila> Makx: People look at the way CKAN does things
Makx Dekkers: People look at the way CKAN does things ←
13:36:23 <phila> ... it was more an issue of grouping datasets
... it was more an issue of grouping datasets ←
13:36:28 <phila> ... that are in some way related
... that are in some way related ←
13:37:02 <phila> ... The group decided to have the version pointer in every dataset, and dct:relation where that's more appropriate
... The group decided to have the version pointer in every dataset, and dct:relation where that's more appropriate ←
13:37:18 <phila> Makx: The mechanism I'd say is to define one or more BPs if you have a certain perspective
Makx Dekkers: The mechanism I'd say is to define one or more BPs if you have a certain perspective ←
13:37:32 <phila> ... From what I see, the BPs don't have various perspectives.
... From what I see, the BPs don't have various perspectives. ←
13:37:47 <phila> ... I wouldn't favour trying to change DCAT. It's a base model. If you
... I wouldn't favour trying to change DCAT. It's a base model. ←
13:37:52 <phila> s/If you//
13:38:10 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:38:11 <phila> Makx: The DCAT-AP work will give some input into how it's being used
Makx Dekkers: The DCAT-AP work will give some input into how it's being used ←
13:38:27 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
13:38:33 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:38:51 <phila> hadleybeeman: Summarises. Eric says he's willing to do the work
Hadley Beeman: Summarises. Eric says he's willing to do the work ←
13:39:09 <phila> ... BernadetteLoscio is saying we could do less work if we comibine the implementation reports for all three docs
... BernadetteLoscio is saying we could do less work if we comibine the implementation reports for all three docs ←
13:39:30 <phila> ... Phil is saying that opening up DCAT might help the version issue as we have it anyway
... Phil is saying that opening up DCAT might help the version issue as we have it anyway ←
13:39:36 <BernadetteLoscio> yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
13:39:37 <phila> ... makx is saying don't mess with the base standard
... makx is saying don't mess with the base standard ←
13:39:43 <ericstephan> yes
Eric Stephan: yes ←
13:39:45 <Caroline__> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:39:46 <annette_g> yes
Annette Greiner: yes ←
13:39:49 <phila> PhilA; +1 to Hadley's summary
PhilA; +1 to Hadley's summary ←
13:39:50 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
13:39:51 <AdrianoC-InWeb> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
13:39:59 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:40:05 <phila> hadleybeeman: These are useful points and they're not aligned!
Hadley Beeman: These are useful points and they're not aligned! ←
13:40:36 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:40:41 <phila> ericstephan: All I'd say is that ... my suggestion is that it's in the context of... if there is a big rallying support to do this as a WG. I;m willing to put the work in, but it can't be separate from the rest of the WG
Eric Stephan: All I'd say is that ... my suggestion is that it's in the context of... if there is a big rallying support to do this as a WG. I;m willing to put the work in, but it can't be separate from the rest of the WG ←
13:40:41 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
13:40:53 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:40:54 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio
Hadley Beeman: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:41:29 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: If we want to work with DCAT as it is, how could we ... can we use new terms in our BPs that are not in DCAT?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we want to work with DCAT as it is, how could we ... can we use new terms in our BPs that are not in DCAT? ←
13:41:51 <phila> ... for example, if I want to talk about the concept of dataset instance. Can I use terms like this? Can I propose those terms?
... for example, if I want to talk about the concept of dataset instance. Can I use terms like this? Can I propose those terms? ←
13:42:05 <phila> hadleybeeman: They'd need to be part of another vocabulary
Hadley Beeman: They'd need to be part of another vocabulary ←
13:42:10 <Makx> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
13:42:16 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I miss something between a dataset and a distribution.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I miss something between a dataset and a distribution. ←
13:42:20 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:42:42 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: What I was proposing in the diagra, I called it a version. But maybe it's an instance
Bernadette Farias Loscio: What I was proposing in the diagram, I called it a version. But maybe it's an instance ←
13:42:52 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: This concept is not in DCAT
Bernadette Farias Loscio: This concept is not in DCAT ←
13:42:55 <hadleybeeman> s/diagra/diagram
13:43:29 <phila> hadleybeeman: if it's just a concept, we can do what we like. But if we want to use it in a MR way, then it needs to be part of *A* vocabulary
Hadley Beeman: if it's just a concept, we can do what we like. But if we want to use it in a MR way, then it needs to be part of *A* vocabulary ←
13:43:31 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:43:34 <phila> ack Makx
ack Makx ←
13:43:39 <hadleybeeman> ack makx
Hadley Beeman: ack makx ←
13:43:58 <phila> Makx: What we had as a baseline in DCAT-AP. We said we can add properties from well known vocabularies
Makx Dekkers: What we had as a baseline in DCAT-AP. We said we can add properties from well known vocabularies ←
13:44:04 <phila> ... but we're not going to touch the model
... but we're not going to touch the model ←
13:44:13 <phila> ... that's why we weren't able to decide on grouping of datasets
... that's why we weren't able to decide on grouping of datasets ←
13:44:28 <phila> ... we felt we need more classes than DCAT defines. And that wasn't a good idea for us
... we felt we need more classes than DCAT defines. And that wasn't a good idea for us ←
13:45:01 <phila> ... Berna's comment that there's something missing between dataset and distribution is what we'd say is chaning the model of DCAT. If you just want to add dct:relation - that's OK
... Berna's comment that there's something missing between dataset and distribution is what we'd say is chaning the model of DCAT. If you just want to add dct:relation - that's OK ←
13:45:37 <phila> Makx: Changing the base standard is saying you want to change it. And that sounds out of scope for the BP doc
Makx Dekkers: Changing the base standard is saying you want to change it. And that sounds out of scope for the BP doc ←
13:45:47 <phila> ... You can point to how people are doing things
... You can point to how people are doing things ←
13:46:03 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:46:04 <phila> ... unless we want a WG Note that explains what you want to do
... unless we want a WG Note that explains what you want to do ←
13:46:10 <phila> scribe: PeterWinstanley
(Scribe set to Peter Winstanley)
13:46:11 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
13:46:20 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_ ←
13:47:09 <PeterWinstanley> laufer: agree with Makx. big issue is relation between "datasets" and bernadette is also saying that we have a main dataset (an abstract idea) that can be represented in different formats
Carlos Laufer: agree with Makx. big issue is relation between "datasets" and bernadette is also saying that we have a main dataset (an abstract idea) that can be represented in different formats ←
13:47:15 <PeterWinstanley> ... versions is not the same thing
... versions is not the same thing ←
13:47:27 <PeterWinstanley> ... versions can be distributed in different formats
... versions can be distributed in different formats ←
13:47:55 <hadleybeeman> ack annette_g
Hadley Beeman: ack annette_g ←
13:47:55 <PeterWinstanley> ... perhaps we need a separate BP for versioning. we need to talk about relations between datasets and find the terms
... perhaps we do not need a separate BP for versioning. we need to talk about relations between datasets and find the terms ←
13:48:20 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: two things: doesn't DCAt include multiple formats?
Annette Greiner: two things: doesn't DCAt include multiple formats? ←
13:48:26 <PeterWinstanley> phila: yes
Phil Archer: yes ←
13:49:16 <PeterWinstanley> annette_g: is it possible to add in the vocab that is missing from DCAT and let it live in our vocab for now but get the idea across that it needs, in the fullness of time, to be incorporated into DCAT
Annette Greiner: is it possible to add in the vocab that is missing from DCAT and let it live in our vocab for now but get the idea across that it needs, in the fullness of time, to be incorporated into DCAT ←
13:49:32 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: yes, we could do that. if it meets everyone's needs
Hadley Beeman: yes, we could do that. if it meets everyone's needs ←
13:49:43 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:49:51 <laufer> s/perhaps we need/perhaps we do not need/
13:50:00 <PeterWinstanley> phila: there needs to be a community to look at this problem. bigger question than we have time for
Phil Archer: there needs to be a community to look at this problem. bigger question than we have time for ←
13:50:18 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
13:50:18 <PeterWinstanley> ...this group can also create a wish list of things for subsequent groups to do
...this group can also create a wish list of things for subsequent groups to do ←
13:50:32 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:50:49 <hadleybeeman> ack ber
Hadley Beeman: ack ber ←
13:50:52 <PeterWinstanley> ... if the BP points to a clear need to change DCAT then it's a big hurdle but we need to get a group to look at this
... if the BP points to a clear need to change DCAT then it's a big hurdle but we need to get a group to look at this ←
13:51:55 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: commnet: now am concerned because for the BP do we adjust for DCAT as it currently is, or should we indicate that we need some extension to DCAT?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: now am concerned because for the BP do we adjust for DCAT as it currently is, or should we indicate that we need some extension to DCAT? ←
13:52:14 <phila> s/commnet://
13:53:04 <ericstephan> +1 Hadley
Eric Stephan: +1 Hadley ←
13:53:10 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: I propose that as everyone agrees that there is more work to be done, and different parts of what we are doing interact with DCAT but we need to clarify and take time to develop the wish list, so we should spend another 2 weeks considering and
Hadley Beeman: I propose that as everyone agrees that there is more work to be done, and different parts of what we are doing interact with DCAT but we need to clarify and take time to develop the wish list, so we should spend another 2 weeks considering and ←
13:53:24 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:53:25 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:53:26 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:53:29 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
13:53:30 <PeterWinstanley> ...then develop some clarity in what we want
...then develop some clarity in what we want ←
13:53:33 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:53:36 <PeterWinstanley> +1
+1 ←
13:53:37 <AdrianoC-InWeb> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
13:53:39 <ericstephan> +1 for happiness
Eric Stephan: +1 for happiness ←
13:53:43 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
13:53:46 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:53:56 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: thenn let's put this on the agenda for 2wk time
Hadley Beeman: thenn let's put this on the agenda for 2wk time ←
13:54:01 <hadleybeeman> topic: Implementations
13:54:07 <PeterWinstanley> Topic: Implementations
13:54:20 <PeterWinstanley> phila: we are a group unitl 30 July 2016
Phil Archer: we are a group until 30 July 2016 ←
13:54:28 <phila> Mobile Web BP http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/
Phil Archer: Mobile Web BP http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ ←
13:54:30 <hadleybeeman> s/unitl/until
13:54:37 <PeterWinstanley> ...but we don't have all that time as the process takes time
...but we don't have all that time as the process takes time ←
13:54:52 <phila> Implementation report http://www.w3.org/2006/06/mwbp-implementation-report
Phil Archer: Implementation report http://www.w3.org/2006/06/mwbp-implementation-report ←
13:55:01 <PeterWinstanley> ... the mobile-bp is a BP and also a recommendation
... the mobile-bp is a BP and also a recommendation ←
13:55:26 <PeterWinstanley> ... each BP has a link to the report to show the evidence
... each BP has a link to the report to show the evidence ←
13:55:28 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#Reports Process Doc
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#Reports Process Doc ←
13:55:43 <PeterWinstanley> ... we need to get to candidate recommendation before the end of 2015
... we need to get to candidate recommendation before the end of 2015 ←
13:55:57 <PeterWinstanley> ... so the rec trck doc needs to be finished
... so the rec trck doc needs to be finished ←
13:56:18 <PeterWinstanley> ... same for other vocabs that we want to put through rec track
... same for other vocabs that we want to put through rec track ←
13:56:42 <PeterWinstanley> ... we will then need time to test, gather evidence, build tools etc
... we will then need time to test, gather evidence, build tools etc ←
13:57:17 <PeterWinstanley> ... we need to get sufficient info to the editors by the F2F so that they can go and write the next edition
... we need to get sufficient info to the editors by the F2F so that they can go and write the next edition ←
13:57:45 <PeterWinstanley> ... to get credibility we need illustrations
... to get credibility we need illustrations ←
13:58:05 <PeterWinstanley> ... timelines : finish editing by end 2015
... timelines : finish editing by end 2015 ←
13:58:36 <PeterWinstanley> ... you do not get past candidate rec if the document is substntively changed
... you do not get past candidate rec if the document is substntively changed ←
13:58:45 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:58:52 <hadleybeeman> ack b
Hadley Beeman: ack b ←
13:59:26 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: is it a candidate rec by the end of the year?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: is it a candidate rec by the end of the year? ←
13:59:53 <PeterWinstanley> phila: yes, there is the interview with the Director, and after this it becomes a proposed rec.
Phil Archer: yes, there is the interview with the Director, and after this it becomes a proposed rec. ←
14:00:06 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#implementation-experience Implemenatiomn
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#implementation-experience Implemenatiomn ←
14:00:08 <PeterWinstanley> BernadetteLoscio: is there a formal way of evaluation?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: is there a formal way of evaluation? ←
14:00:25 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: Accept last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-19
PROPOSED: Accept last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-19 ←
14:00:33 <PeterWinstanley> phila: see link, it's just a matter of convincing the Director that the job has been done
Phil Archer: see link, it's just a matter of convincing the Director that the job has been done ←
14:00:37 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:00:39 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
14:00:40 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:00:40 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:00:41 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:00:42 <AdrianoC-InWeb> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
14:00:45 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
14:00:47 <PeterWinstanley> hadleybeeman: last weeks minutes agreed?
Hadley Beeman: last weeks minutes agreed? ←
14:00:49 <ericstephan> 0 was not here
Eric Stephan: 0 was not here ←
14:00:52 <hadleybeeman> RESOLVED: Accept last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-19
RESOLVED: Accept last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-06-19 ←
14:01:08 <laufer> bye, nice wkd all...
Carlos Laufer: bye, nice wkd all... ←
14:01:08 <BernadetteLoscio> tahnk you!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: tahnk you! ←
14:01:21 <annette_g> bye!
Annette Greiner: bye! ←
14:01:29 <PeterWinstanley> bye
bye ←
14:01:35 <AdrianoC-InWeb> Thanks, in two weeks I propose to discuss more about the data enirchment and how to deal with it.
Adriano Pereira: Thanks, in two weeks I propose to discuss more about the data enirchment and how to deal with it. ←
14:01:36 <yaso_> bye!
Yaso Córdova: bye! ←
14:01:41 <AdrianoC-InWeb> Bye!
Adriano Pereira: Bye! ←
14:01:45 <hadleybeeman> Good plan, AdrianoC-InWeb
Hadley Beeman: Good plan, AdrianoC-InWeb ←
14:02:00 <AdrianoC-InWeb> Thanks Hadley!
Adriano Pereira: Thanks Hadley! ←
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