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13:58:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:58:55 <trackbot> Date: 19 December 2014
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13:59:38 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
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13:59:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], +1.609.947.aaaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida
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13:59:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
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13:59:45 <hadleybeeman> hello all
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13:59:45 <hadleybeeman> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:59:49 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
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13:59:50 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaaa is me
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13:59:58 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
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13:59:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida
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14:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
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14:01:12 <Zakim> +??P13
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14:01:17 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
14:01:36 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P13 i sme
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14:01:36 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P13 i sme', MTCarrasco
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14:01:47 <deirdrelee> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219
14:01:52 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P13 is me
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14:02:00 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
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14:03:04 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
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14:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, phila, +1.510.384.aacc
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14:03:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see MTCarrasco, AdrianoC, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
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14:03:47 <hadleybeeman> zakim, aacc is annette_g
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14:04:07 <Zakim> +ericstephan
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14:04:09 <phila> scribe: phila
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14:04:30 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219
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14:04:38 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Bernardette just e-mailed: "I am in a meeting and I'm gonna be a little bit late."
Joao Almeida: Bernardette just e-mailed: "I am in a meeting and I'm gonna be a little bit late." ←
14:05:12 <Caroline__> Hello! We are dialing
Caroline Burle: Hello! We are dialing ←
14:05:21 <hadleybeeman> hello, caroline__!
Hadley Beeman: hello, caroline__! ←
14:05:21 <phila> deirdrelee: Opens the meeting
Deirdre Lee: Opens the meeting ←
14:05:21 <Caroline__> Newton and I
Caroline Burle: Newton and I ←
14:05:23 <Zakim> +??P28
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14:05:28 <phila> ... lots of mail and progress around the BP doc
... lots of mail and progress around the BP doc ←
14:05:36 <Zakim> +Reinaldo
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14:05:43 <gatemezi> Hi all
Ghislain Atemezing: Hi all ←
14:05:43 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219
14:05:44 <AdrianoC> Zakim, ??28 is AdrianoC
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14:05:51 <Caroline__> Zakim, Reinaldo is Caroline__
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14:05:54 <AdrianoC> Zakim, ??P28 is AdrianoC
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14:05:54 <Zakim> +AdrianoC; got it
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14:05:59 <Caroline__> Zakim, Caroline__ has newton
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14:05:59 <Zakim> +newton; got it
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14:06:10 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-12
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-12 ←
14:06:23 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes ←
14:06:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
14:06:26 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:06:29 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:06:31 <AdrianoC> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
14:06:37 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
14:06:38 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
14:06:40 <phila> +1
+1 ←
14:06:46 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes
RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes ←
14:06:53 <Caroline__> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:07:17 <phila> deirdrelee: We haven't officially said that we won't have meetings for the next 2 weeks
Deirdre Lee: We haven't officially said that we won't have meetings for the next 2 weeks ←
14:07:43 <phila> deirdrelee: Date of the next meeting is 9 January 2015
Deirdre Lee: Date of the next meeting is 9 January 2015 ←
14:08:06 <phila> hadleybeeman: Of course others can use the zakim bridge for an informal meeting if so desired
Hadley Beeman: Of course others can use the zakim bridge for an informal meeting if so desired ←
14:08:19 <phila> deirdrelee: I'm going to swap items 1 and 2...
Deirdre Lee: I'm going to swap items 1 and 2... ←
14:08:39 <phila> deirdrelee: Tomas asked to add COMURI to the agenda so we'll talk about that today
Deirdre Lee: Tomas asked to add COMURI to the agenda so we'll talk about that today ←
14:08:47 <phila> topic: The Use Case doc
14:08:57 <Caroline__> I send regrets in advance because I will be on vacation! Coming back for the meeting on January 23 :)
Caroline Burle: I send regrets in advance because I will be on vacation! Coming back for the meeting on January 23 :) ←
14:09:15 <phila> deirdrelee: A couple of weeks ago I went back to the UCR. We decided to go through the existing UCs to see if we could extract more reqs from them
Deirdre Lee: A couple of weeks ago I went back to the UCR. We decided to go through the existing UCs to see if we could extract more reqs from them ←
14:09:47 <phila> ... with hindsight, such and such a requirement does apply to my use case. So we can strengthen our requirements and maybe drop some and add some new ones
... with hindsight, such and such a requirement does apply to my use case. So we can strengthen our requirements and maybe drop some and add some new ones ←
14:10:04 <phila> ... so I went through them all and asked the authors to do the same. Lots have done that
... so I went through them all and asked the authors to do the same. Lots have done that ←
14:10:30 <phila> ... I ma currently going through those replies. When doing this I had difficulty mapping the UCs and Reqs so I set up a little RDF model to help me
... I ma currently going through those replies. When doing this I had difficulty mapping the UCs and Reqs so I set up a little RDF model to help me ←
14:11:10 <hadleybeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
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14:11:51 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: I'm going through the feedback I've received; will have a new version for the group to review by the next meeting on 9 Jan.
Deirdre Lee: I'm going through the feedback I've received; will have a new version for the group to review by the next meeting on 9 Jan. ←
14:12:12 <hadleybeeman> ... Any comments/questions? Authors, was it useful to enhance your use cases?
... Any comments/questions? Authors, was it useful to enhance your use cases? ←
14:12:27 <hadleybeeman> ... Hopefully it will be useful for the other deliverables then
... Hopefully it will be useful for the other deliverables then ←
14:12:27 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:12:34 <hadleybeeman> scribe: phila
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
14:12:48 <gatemezi> Thanks deirdrelee. It was very useful
Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks deirdrelee. It was very useful ←
14:13:00 <phila> ericstephan: TNhank you Deirdre for doing that. We can see where all the use cases and requirements match up
Eric Stephan: TNhank you Deirdre for doing that. We can see where all the use cases and requirements match up ←
14:13:12 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
14:13:19 <phila> ... I thought it would be a lot more work than it turned out to be thanks to Deirdre's actions
... I thought it would be a lot more work than it turned out to be thanks to Deirdre's actions ←
14:13:45 <phila> deirdrelee: It's for myself as well. I added a couple of UCs myself earlier on and I;m questionaing how valuable they are now the doc is as it is
Deirdre Lee: It's for myself as well. I added a couple of UCs myself earlier on and I;m questionaing how valuable they are now the doc is as it is ←
14:14:10 <phila> topic: BP Doc
14:14:13 <Caroline__> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
14:15:01 <phila> Caroline__: I would just suggets that we can change the order a little and talk about the vocabs before Bernadette comes.
Caroline Burle: I would just suggets that we can change the order a little and talk about the vocabs before Bernadette comes. ←
14:15:12 <phila> .. Newton and I are here but it's best if Bernadette were here
.. Newton and I are here but it's best if Bernadette were here ←
14:15:45 <ericstephan> yes I can talk
Eric Stephan: yes I can talk ←
14:15:54 <Caroline__> thank you!
Caroline Burle: thank you! ←
14:15:57 <phila> Topic: Data Usage Vocab
14:15:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:16:08 <MakxDekkers> zakim, ipcaller is me
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14:16:09 <phila> ericstephan: Bernadette and I have been talking to each other outside the schedule
Eric Stephan: Bernadette and I have been talking to each other outside the schedule ←
14:16:22 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
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14:16:22 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
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14:16:23 <Caroline__> welcome BernadetteLoscio! :)
Caroline Burle: welcome BernadetteLoscio! :) ←
14:16:34 <BernadetteLoscio> hello!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello! ←
14:16:38 <phila> ... she proposed different targets for us a few weeks ago and we've been iterating on the date schedule. She and I are meeting after this meeting today and we'll report back
... she proposed different targets for us a few weeks ago and we've been iterating on the date schedule. She and I are meeting after this meeting today and we'll report back ←
14:17:19 <phila> ericstephan: We haven't been doing a whole lot since the TPAC but Bernadette has been doing a lot on BP and we're working on a concrete schedule
Eric Stephan: We haven't been doing a whole lot since the TPAC but Bernadette has been doing a lot on BP and we're working on a concrete schedule ←
14:17:31 <phila> deirdrelee: Could you remind us of the current status?
Deirdre Lee: Could you remind us of the current status? ←
14:17:44 <phila> ericstephan: Before the f2f we were doing quite a bit of work to identify new UCs
Eric Stephan: Before the f2f we were doing quite a bit of work to identify new UCs ←
14:18:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:18:25 <phila> ... that would give us new Reqs for the vocab. We're continuing on with that. We have a draft of the vocab based on new scenarios. They're on the wiki (will add pointer by mail later)
... that would give us new Reqs for the vocab. We're continuing on with that. We have a draft of the vocab based on new scenarios. They're on the wiki (will add pointer by mail later) ←
14:18:30 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
14:18:30 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
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14:18:33 <phila> ... we're hoping for feedback from the WG on that
... we're hoping for feedback from the WG on that ←
14:18:39 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
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14:18:39 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
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14:19:02 <phila> ... and then we can extract the data usage scenarios. Hoping that within a short time we'll be able to make progress
... and then we can extract the data usage scenarios. Hoping that within a short time we'll be able to make progress ←
14:19:07 <annette_g> +1 for it being 6:00 in the morning
Annette Greiner: +1 for it being 6:00 in the morning ←
14:19:45 <BernadetteLoscio> hi Eric!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: hi Eric! ←
14:19:53 <BernadetteLoscio> thats good!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thats good! ←
14:20:29 <BernadetteLoscio> yes!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes! ←
14:20:44 <phila> ericstephan: We had a question about whether some of these things would be in the UCs and/or in the vocab document
Eric Stephan: We had a question about whether some of these things would be in the UCs and/or in the vocab document ←
14:20:55 <phila> q+ to help ericstephan out here (I hope)
q+ to help ericstephan out here (I hope) ←
14:21:19 <phila> ericstephan: We tried before the f2f to find UCs that we could incorporate in the UCR
Eric Stephan: We tried before the f2f to find UCs that we could incorporate in the UCR ←
14:21:39 <phila> ... but maybe we could add some stories as primer to the vocab
... but maybe we could add some stories as primer to the vocab ←
14:21:43 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:21:47 <hadleybeeman> ack caroline
Hadley Beeman: ack caroline ←
14:21:59 <phila> ack Caroline__
ack Caroline__ ←
14:22:01 <phila> ack me
ack me ←
14:22:01 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to help ericstephan out here (I hope)
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to help ericstephan out here (I hope) ←
14:22:18 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/
http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/ ←
14:23:00 <MTCarrasco> Phil examples +1
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Phil examples +1 ←
14:23:22 <phila> phila: UCs give you evidence for what you need to do. The vocab spec can then tell a story about how to use it and why it's the way it is
Phil Archer: UCs give you evidence for what you need to do. The vocab spec can then tell a story about how to use it and why it's the way it is ←
14:23:23 <MTCarrasco> Illustrations +1
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Illustrations +1 ←
14:23:31 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 to examples!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to examples! ←
14:23:34 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks! ←
14:23:39 <phila> topic: Bp Doc
14:23:51 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
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14:23:51 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted
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14:24:00 <phila> deirdrelee: There has been lots of mailing list activity so... over to you Bernadette
Deirdre Lee: There has been lots of mailing list activity so... over to you Bernadette ←
14:24:09 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We have had a lot of discussion on the list, thank you
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have had a lot of discussion on the list, thank you ←
14:24:22 <phila> ... but we still don't have a consensus about the audience of the doc
... but we still don't have a consensus about the audience of the doc ←
14:24:38 <phila> ... yesterday I sent a message trying to summarise where we are.
... yesterday I sent a message trying to summarise where we are. ←
14:24:54 <phila> ... I think we have some agreement in termns of what data consumers we are talking about
... I think we have some agreement in termns of what data consumers we are talking about ←
14:25:16 <phila> ... but we still need to agree on what is going to be the audience of the doc
... but we still need to agree on what is going to be the audience of the doc ←
14:25:28 <phila> ... are we talking about developers or consumers, for example
... are we talking about developers or consumers, for example ←
14:25:40 <phila> ... in the beginning we said we'd have the BPs for data publishers and BPs for developers
... in the beginning we said we'd have the BPs for data publishers and BPs for developers ←
14:26:11 <phila> ... but the discussion ... some people think we should just address publishers. Maybe BPs for developers should be in anotehr doc
... but the discussion ... some people think we should just address publishers. Maybe BPs for developers should be in anotehr doc ←
14:26:43 <gatemezi> link of the mail sent by BernadetteLoscio yesterday at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Dec/0145.html
Ghislain Atemezing: link of the mail sent by BernadetteLoscio yesterday at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Dec/0145.html ←
14:26:44 <phila> ... Second point - if we just have publishers as the audience - or is it also interesting for developers to know about publishers' BPs
... Second point - if we just have publishers as the audience - or is it also interesting for developers to know about publishers' BPs ←
14:27:31 <phila> ... this is the main point of discussion. Maybe Anette and makx want to say something?
... this is the main point of discussion. Maybe Anette and makx want to say something? ←
14:27:31 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:27:37 <Zakim> +RiccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: +RiccardoAlbertoni ←
14:27:41 <phila> ... there has been a lot of info this week
... there has been a lot of info this week ←
14:27:47 <phila> ... it's important to have comments from the group
... it's important to have comments from the group ←
14:28:14 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Eric S and Laufer think the audience should be both publishers and developers
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Eric S and Laufer think the audience should be both publishers and developers ←
14:28:28 <phila> ... my opinion is that we should consider both
... my opinion is that we should consider both ←
14:28:38 <AdrianoC> +1 (for both)
Adriano Pereira: +1 (for both) ←
14:28:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all, sorry if I join in the call so late ..
Riccardo Albertoni: hi all, sorry if I join in the call so late .. ←
14:29:00 <MTCarrasco> publishers and developers +1
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: publishers and developers +1 ←
14:29:01 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:29:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The terms we use are important
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The terms we use are important ←
14:29:42 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: It's the same people discussing the topic - we need to come to a resolution
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It's the same people discussing the topic - we need to come to a resolution ←
14:29:43 <MTCarrasco> terms +1 - the must be formal difinitons
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terms +1 - the must be formal difinitons ←
14:30:02 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: One more thing... we are also working on a picture for the data lifecycle
Bernadette Farias Loscio: One more thing... we are also working on a picture for the data lifecycle ←
14:30:17 <ericstephan> @MTCarrasco agreed very important to have good definitions
Eric Stephan: @MTCarrasco agreed very important to have good definitions ←
14:30:32 <phila> ... Ghislain, Makx and Christophe have been looking at that. Feedback would be good
... Ghislain, Makx and Christophe have been looking at that. Feedback would be good ←
14:30:35 <Caroline__> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio ←
14:30:40 <phila> ack ericstephan
ack ericstephan ←
14:31:15 <phila> ericstephan: I think Tomas put it in IRC - part of the challenge is that we come up with definitions of what we mean by certain things. Whilst focusing on the BP doc,
Eric Stephan: I think Tomas put it in IRC - part of the challenge is that we come up with definitions of what we mean by certain things. Whilst focusing on the BP doc, ←
14:31:33 <phila> ... there were some disagreements about where theere would be places for data consumers that may be outside the BP docv
... there were some disagreements about where theere would be places for data consumers that may be outside the BP doc ←
14:31:40 <phila> s/docv/doc/
14:31:55 <phila> ericstephan: It's vital for us to have clear terms so that we can share
Eric Stephan: It's vital for us to have clear terms so that we can share ←
14:31:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:31:58 <phila> deirdrelee: +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:32:08 <Caroline__> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:32:15 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:32:15 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←
14:32:15 <phila> deirdrelee: When I was going gthrough the open Issues and Actions that were about definitions
Deirdre Lee: When I was going through the open Issues and Actions that were about definitions ←
14:32:26 <phila> ... we already have recorded what we need to define
... we already have recorded what we need to define ←
14:32:41 <MTCarrasco> In addition to fulfill the function of specification, the docs should be usable as tutorial
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: In addition to fulfill the function of specification, the docs should be usable as tutorial ←
14:32:43 <phila> ... maybe we need a new wiki page for ourselves that we may or may not surface in the doc
... maybe we need a new wiki page for ourselves that we may or may not surface in the doc ←
14:32:47 <annette_g> +1 to Deirdre
Annette Greiner: +1 to Deirdre ←
14:32:48 <phila> ericstephan: That sounds reakly useful
Eric Stephan: That sounds really useful ←
14:32:51 <phila> q+
q+ ←
14:32:51 <hadleybeeman> q+ to
Hadley Beeman: q+ to ←
14:32:52 <gatemezi> s/gthrough/through
14:32:56 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:32:57 <phila> q- later
q- later ←
14:33:00 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:33:06 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:33:08 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:33:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/reakly/really
14:33:17 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I think the last meeting we were talking about this
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think the last meeting we were talking about this ←
14:33:23 <phila> q- to
q- to ←
14:33:28 <phila> q+ later
q+ later ←
14:33:32 <phila> q-
q- ←
14:33:37 <ericstephan> yes that's right @bernadette
Eric Stephan: yes that's right @bernadette ←
14:34:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Yaso was at that meeting 2 weeks ago and we decided to create a wiki page
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yaso was at that meeting 2 weeks ago and we decided to create a wiki page ←
14:34:08 <phila> ... for definitions
... for definitions ←
14:34:17 <phila> deirdrelee: So does that wiki page exist yet?
Deirdre Lee: So does that wiki page exist yet? ←
14:34:22 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Don't know
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Don't know ←
14:34:25 <ericstephan> I don't think an action was made
Eric Stephan: I don't think an action was made ←
14:34:53 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: As soon as we find a defn that's important, we should be able to put it on the wiki there and then
Bernadette Farias Loscio: As soon as we find a defn that's important, we should be able to put it on the wiki there and then ←
14:34:56 <ericstephan> Could the author or authors of the definitions also be put in the table?
Eric Stephan: Could the author or authors of the definitions also be put in the table? ←
14:35:07 <ericstephan> just so we have a point of reference?
Eric Stephan: just so we have a point of reference? ←
14:35:33 <hadleybeeman> Before we do, deirdrelee... can I jump in?
Hadley Beeman: Before we do, deirdrelee... can I jump in? ←
14:35:34 <MTCarrasco> Wiki pages could be harmful - one should consider Editor's Draft with the appropriate definitons and a terminoligy section
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Wiki pages could be harmful - one should consider Editor's Draft with the appropriate definitons and a terminoligy section ←
14:35:53 <phila> ack had
ack had ←
14:35:57 <MTCarrasco> q+
14:36:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to MTCarrasco
Joao Almeida: +1 to MTCarrasco ←
14:36:10 <hadleybeeman> https://indiewebcamp.com/Category:building-blocks
Hadley Beeman: https://indiewebcamp.com/Category:building-blocks ←
14:36:26 <phila> hadleybeeman: The other way of approaching this might be... the Indie WebCamp have created on the wiki a new page for every new concept
Hadley Beeman: The other way of approaching this might be... the Indie WebCamp have created on the wiki a new page for every new concept ←
14:36:41 <phila> ... they can point to it and keep a trial for each topic
... they can point to it and keep a trial for each topic ←
14:37:18 <phila> deirdrelee: If people are adding conent to a wiki page for definitions, does that distract from the docs
Deirdre Lee: If people are adding content to a wiki page for definitions, does that distract from the docs ←
14:37:24 <phila> ack me
ack me ←
14:37:40 <gatemezi> s/conent/content
14:38:25 <ericstephan> phila: my take on this is the majority is targeting people producing data whether it is publishers or re-users.
Phil Archer: my take on this is the majority is targeting people producing data whether it is publishers or re-users. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
14:38:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is talking?
Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is talking? ←
14:38:59 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is making noise?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:39:06 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (90%), phila (43%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (90%), phila (43%) ←
14:39:17 <Zakim> deirdrelee, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (37%), phila (62%)
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (37%), phila (62%) ←
14:39:23 <ericstephan> phila: if you want to know who was using the data, you might want to use a form, you want to encourage use of metadata
Phil Archer: if you want to know who was using the data, you might want to use a form, you want to encourage use of metadata [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
14:39:59 <ericstephan> phila: reusers let publishers people are doing with their data. that's the target.
Phil Archer: reusers let publishers people are doing with their data. that's the target. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
14:40:17 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:40:34 <ericstephan> phila: steering people from sign up forms and using data usage vocabulary....
Phil Archer: steering people from sign up forms and using data usage vocabulary.... [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
14:40:36 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:40:39 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 :) ←
14:40:41 <phila> ack MTCarrasco
ack MTCarrasco ←
14:40:54 <phila> MTCarrasco: Coming back to terminology.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Coming back to terminology. ←
14:41:11 <ericstephan> @phila, double check my notes I hop I captured it, I think I missed a few things with the noise.
Eric Stephan: @phila, double check my notes I hop I captured it, I think I missed a few things with the noise. ←
14:41:16 <phila> ... we have to produce formal specs. Wikis can be dangerous. Better to use the format it will be in later on
... we have to produce formal specs. Wikis can be dangerous. Better to use the format it will be in later on ←
14:41:26 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to MTCarrasco
Joao Almeida: +1 to MTCarrasco ←
14:41:29 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:41:45 <phila> ... maybe terms defined in the doc. Maybe one of the editors for each doc takes responsibility for collecting term definitions in the doc in the final format
... maybe terms defined in the doc. Maybe one of the editors for each doc takes responsibility for collecting term definitions in the doc in the final format ←
14:41:51 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:42:18 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Replying to Phil - I like that approach to give BPs for publishers to help reusers to give feedback
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Replying to Phil - I like that approach to give BPs for publishers to help reusers to give feedback ←
14:42:51 <phila> ... I'm still not convinced that the doc is really only for publishers
... I'm still not convinced that the doc is really only for publishers ←
14:43:09 <phila> ... developers won't have an interest if it's only for publishers
... developers won't have an interest if it's only for publishers ←
14:43:11 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:43:16 <phila> ... so I;m not 100% sure
... so I;m not 100% sure ←
14:43:19 <Caroline__> +1 to BernadetteLoscio about developers being interested on the document of BP
Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio about developers being interested on the document of BP ←
14:43:28 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
14:43:34 <MakxDekkers> zakim, unmute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, unmute me ←
14:43:34 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should no longer be muted ←
14:43:39 <phila> ack annette_g
ack annette_g ←
14:43:43 <MakxDekkers> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
14:44:11 <phila> annette_g: +1 to Phil. I think the usage vocab will address the primary that we want to convey to users that they should let publishers know what they've done
Annette Greiner: +1 to Phil. I think the usage vocab will address the primary that we want to convey to users that they should let publishers know what they've done ←
14:44:32 <phila> ... and I also wanted to suggest that the doc could be for primary and secondary audiences
... and I also wanted to suggest that the doc could be for primary and secondary audiences ←
14:44:58 <phila> ... there is a 2ndary interest in reading over the doc by consumers so they know what to expect
... there is a 2ndary interest in reading over the doc by consumers so they know what to expect ←
14:45:01 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
14:45:08 <phila> phila: +1 to annette_g
Phil Archer: +1 to annette_g ←
14:45:12 <phila> deirdrelee: +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:45:21 <AdrianoC> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
14:45:29 <phila> deirdrelee: In terms of audience - who is going to implement the BPs - that's the primary audience
Deirdre Lee: In terms of audience - who is going to implement the BPs - that's the primary audience ←
14:45:30 <hadleybeeman> +1 to deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: +1 to deirdrelee ←
14:45:42 <MakxDekkers> Just wrote an e-mail message to the list on this
Makx Dekkers: Just wrote an e-mail message to the list on this ←
14:45:44 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:45:45 <phila> ... but the data users can put pressure on publishers to follow the BPs
... but the data users can put pressure on publishers to follow the BPs ←
14:46:05 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:46:17 <phila> deirdrelee: Also to respond to Tomas - in terms of the glossary, oyu suggetsed that we go straight to the structure of the published doc, I;m not sure that I agree
Deirdre Lee: Also to respond to Tomas - in terms of the glossary, oyu suggetsed that we go straight to the structure of the published doc, I;m not sure that I agree ←
14:46:18 <annette_g> +1 to using a wiki initially
Annette Greiner: +1 to using a wiki initially ←
14:46:21 <Caroline__> +1 to difference of primary and secondary audience
Caroline Burle: +1 to difference of primary and secondary audience ←
14:46:48 <phila> ... as not all terms are detined for publication and the wiki is easier to collect ideas. GitHug etc. is not as good for brainstorming
... as not all terms are detined for publication and the wiki is easier to collect ideas. GitHub etc. is not as good for brainstorming ←
14:47:02 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 to the wiki
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to the wiki ←
14:47:07 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:47:10 <annette_g> s/GitHug/GitHub/
14:47:14 <phila> ... might make more sense to have a central page that can be referenced
... might make more sense to have a central page that can be referenced ←
14:47:23 <Caroline__> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
14:47:34 <phila> MakxDekkers: I put myself on the queue but I think both deirdrelee and annette_g said what I was going to say
Makx Dekkers: I put myself on the queue but I think both deirdrelee and annette_g said what I was going to say ←
14:47:34 <hadleybeeman> I'm 100% with deirdrelee. If we need to publish a glossary document out of what's on the wiki, then we can. And we can decide that at any time.
Hadley Beeman: I'm 100% with deirdrelee. If we need to publish a glossary document out of what's on the wiki, then we can. And we can decide that at any time. ←
14:47:41 <phila> ... the audience is the group opf people we want to do things
... the audience is the group of people we want to do things ←
14:47:47 <phila> ... that doesn't mean the doc is only for them
... that doesn't mean the doc is only for them ←
14:48:15 <phila> ... people qwho want to use the data can see what publishers can/should do and if they don't, the publisher can be contacted and encouraged
... people who want to use the data can see what publishers can/should do and if they don't, the publisher can be contacted and encouraged ←
14:48:26 <Caroline__> +1 to maxkdekkers
Caroline Burle: +1 to maxkdekkers ←
14:48:37 <gatemezi> s/opf/of
14:48:49 <gatemezi> s/qwho/who
14:48:51 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I like the idea of the 1ry and 2ry audiences - I'm happy
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I like the idea of the 1ry and 2ry audiences - I'm happy ←
14:49:05 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: So I propose to revise the intro to reflect this
Bernadette Farias Loscio: So I propose to revise the intro to reflect this ←
14:49:36 <Caroline__> q-
Caroline Burle: q- ←
14:49:50 <phila> deirdrelee: So do you want to make a proposal about audiences now?
Deirdre Lee: So do you want to make a proposal about audiences now? ←
14:50:04 <Caroline__> I was going to agree, as BernadetteLoscio just said. +1 to make a proposal!
Caroline Burle: I was going to agree, as BernadetteLoscio just said. +1 to make a proposal! ←
14:50:06 <ericstephan> yes please do so I can sleep :-)
Eric Stephan: yes please do so I can sleep :-) ←
14:50:14 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
14:50:15 <annette_g> +1 for sleep
Annette Greiner: +1 for sleep ←
14:50:29 <ericstephan> @annette :-)
Eric Stephan: @annette :-) ←
14:50:32 <gatemezi> ericstephan: so chairs don't sleep?
Eric Stephan: so chairs don't sleep? [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ] ←
14:50:33 <MTCarrasco_> q+
14:50:43 <MakxDekkers> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
14:50:48 <phila> PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers
PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers ←
14:50:52 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:50:58 <phila> That's my first stab...
That's my first stab... ←
14:51:02 <phila> q?
q? ←
14:51:06 <gatemezi> I understand now why we have so many chairs in this group ;)
Ghislain Atemezing: I understand now why we have so many chairs in this group ;) ←
14:51:32 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: One more thing... I want to know about the FPWD. What's the schedule
Bernadette Farias Loscio: One more thing... I want to know about the FPWD. What's the schedule ←
14:52:22 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers
Deirdre Lee: ack MakxDekkers ←
14:52:34 <MakxDekkers> q-
Makx Dekkers: q- ←
14:52:45 <phila> phila: Publish w/c 26 Jan, means resolving w/c 19 Jan so needs to be ready w/c 12 Jan
Phil Archer: Publish w/c 26 Jan, means resolving w/c 19 Jan so needs to be ready w/c 12 Jan ←
14:52:48 <Caroline__> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
14:52:50 <MakxDekkers> i did
Makx Dekkers: i did ←
14:52:54 <MakxDekkers> q-
Makx Dekkers: q- ←
14:52:58 <ericstephan> @bernadette just as Steve A said in the email we don't have to get everything in the first draft
Eric Stephan: @bernadette just as Steve A said in the email we don't have to get everything in the first draft ←
14:53:08 <phila> PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers
PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers ←
14:53:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:53:20 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:53:21 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
14:53:22 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
14:53:24 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:53:24 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:53:26 <phila> +1
+1 ←
14:53:26 <Caroline__> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:53:27 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:53:27 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
14:53:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
14:53:31 <hadleybeeman> +1, because it makes sense with our scope that we agreed at the TPAC f2f https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Scope
Hadley Beeman: +1, because it makes sense with our scope that we agreed at the TPAC f2f https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Scope ←
14:53:48 <phila> q?
q? ←
14:53:50 <MTCarrasco_> http://dragoman.org/comuri - proposal to go for First Public Working Draft
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://dragoman.org/comuri - proposal to go for First Public Working Draft ←
14:53:57 <phila> Topic: COMURI
14:54:05 <ericstephan> woo hoo! The right the write
Eric Stephan: woo hoo! The right the write ←
14:54:06 <Caroline__> q-
Caroline Burle: q- ←
14:54:06 <BernadetteLoscio> :):):)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :):):) ←
14:54:09 <phila> MTCarrasco: I'd like to propose that the COMURI document goes to FPWD
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I'd like to propose that the COMURI document goes to FPWD ←
14:54:22 <phila> ... it was commented on several months ago and I answered those comments
... it was commented on several months ago and I answered those comments ←
14:54:22 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:54:35 <deirdrelee> ack MTCarrasco_
Deirdre Lee: ack MTCarrasco_ ←
14:54:38 <phila> Ack hadleybeeman
Ack hadleybeeman ←
14:55:03 <phila> hadleybeeman: I would love to have the conversation - there's a lot to talk about. But as we didn't put this on the agenda 24 hours' notice
Hadley Beeman: I would love to have the conversation - there's a lot to talk about. But as we didn't put this on the agenda 24 hours' notice ←
14:55:09 <phila> ... formal decisions need 24 hours' notice
... formal decisions need 24 hours' notice ←
14:55:32 <phila> deirdrelee: When I sent the agenda yesterday I didn't know but added it afterwards when Tomas wrote to me
Deirdre Lee: When I sent the agenda yesterday I didn't know but added it afterwards when Tomas wrote to me ←
14:56:00 <phila> MTCarrasco_: So we can schedule for it 9 Jan, that's OK
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: So we can schedule for it 9 Jan, that's OK ←
14:56:18 <phila> MTCarrasco_: I sent it out, I answered the comments. I took some parts out and it now just addresses the URIs
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I sent it out, I answered the comments. I took some parts out and it now just addresses the URIs ←
14:56:41 <phila> ... the BP doc talks about data indentification but not into the details of the URI design
... the BP doc talks about data indentification but not into the details of the URI design ←
14:56:52 <phila> ... in the document I took everything into account.
... in the document I took everything into account. ←
14:56:59 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:57:03 <phila> ... I believe that URIs are an important part of data on the Web
... I believe that URIs are an important part of data on the Web ←
14:57:24 <hadleybeeman> q+ to talk about this resolution about the Best Practices and formats http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_5
Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about this resolution about the Best Practices and formats http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_5 ←
14:58:01 <hadleybeeman> and this one too: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_6
Hadley Beeman: and this one too: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_6 ←
14:58:11 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: For me the COMRUI doc is far from the BP doc - I need to take a look and think about it some more. We need to see what should and shouldn't fit in the BP doc
Bernadette Farias Loscio: For me the COMRUI doc is far from the BP doc - I need to take a look and think about it some more. We need to see what should and shouldn't fit in the BP doc ←
14:58:25 <phila> MTCarrasco_: I don't think everything inCOMURI fits in the BP doc
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I don't think everything inCOMURI fits in the BP doc ←
14:58:31 <phila> ... It should be separate
... It should be separate ←
14:58:49 <phila> deirdrelee: So we'll put that on the agenda for 9 Jan
Deirdre Lee: So we'll put that on the agenda for 9 Jan ←
14:59:01 <phila> ... maybe it's not as straightforward and it's a great starting point
... maybe it's not as straightforward and it's a great starting point ←
14:59:22 <phila> MTCarrasco_: we talked a lot of about having a FPWD - this one has been ready for nearly 3 months
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we talked a lot of about having a FPWD - this one has been ready for nearly 3 months ←
14:59:30 <phila> deirdrelee: Yes, but the process has to fit in with everything else
Deirdre Lee: Yes, but the process has to fit in with everything else ←
14:59:37 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:59:40 <phila> q?
q? ←
14:59:44 <hadleybeeman> q-
Hadley Beeman: q- ←
14:59:45 <phila> q- hadleybeeman
q- hadleybeeman ←
14:59:54 <BernadetteLoscio> Feliz Natal!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Feliz Natal! ←
15:00:01 <MTCarrasco_> Happy Xmas!!!
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Happy Xmas!!! ←
15:00:03 <RiccardoAlbertoni> happy xmas !!
Riccardo Albertoni: happy xmas !! ←
15:00:19 <Caroline__> Thank you! Merry Christmas!
Caroline Burle: Thank you! Merry Christmas! ←
15:00:30 <annette_g> happy holidays, all!!
Annette Greiner: happy holidays, all!! ←
15:00:30 <phila> deirdrelee: Closes the meeting and Felice Navidad
Deirdre Lee: Closes the meeting and Felice Navidad ←
15:00:31 <ericstephan> Best wishes to everyone! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year!
Eric Stephan: Best wishes to everyone! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! ←
15:00:32 <Caroline__> bye!
Caroline Burle: bye! ←
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15:00:36 <gatemezi> Happy xmas and New Year!!
Ghislain Atemezing: Happy xmas and New Year!! ←
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15:00:37 <newton> Bye all!
Newton Calegari: Bye all! ←
15:00:37 <Zakim> -annette_g
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15:00:38 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias ←
15:00:42 <AdrianoC> Good parties and vacations for everybody! A nice break and see ya! Happy New Year!!!
Adriano Pereira: Good parties and vacations for everybody! A nice break and see ya! Happy New Year!!! ←
15:00:43 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> -phila
Zakim IRC Bot: -phila ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
15:00:50 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio ←
15:00:58 <hadleybeeman> thanks, philA. Brilliant scribing. :)
Hadley Beeman: thanks, philA. Brilliant scribing. :) ←
15:00:59 <Zakim> -AdrianoC
Zakim IRC Bot: -AdrianoC ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> -RiccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: -RiccardoAlbertoni ←
15:01:19 <ericstephan> @hadleybeeman - agreed!
Eric Stephan: @hadleybeeman - agreed! ←
15:01:23 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see BernadetteLoscio, Caroline__, ericstephan, AdrianoC, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BernadetteLoscio, Caroline__, ericstephan, AdrianoC, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.609.947.aaaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, HadleyBeeman, MTCarrasco, phila, +1.510.384.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, annette_g, ericstephan, AdrianoC,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.609.947.aaaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, HadleyBeeman, MTCarrasco, phila, +1.510.384.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, annette_g, ericstephan, AdrianoC, ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> ... newton, MakxDekkers, BernadetteLoscio, RiccardoAlbertoni, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: ... newton, MakxDekkers, BernadetteLoscio, RiccardoAlbertoni, CarlosIglesias ←
15:01:37 <deirdrelee> Thanks Phil for scribing!
Deirdre Lee: Thanks Phil for scribing! ←
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