12:58:59 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-dwbp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-dwbp-irc ←
12:59:24 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
12:59:24 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is ←
12:59:31 <PhilA> zakim, this is DWBP
Phil Archer: zakim, this is DWBP ←
12:59:32 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM ←
12:59:35 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
12:59:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
12:59:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
12:59:50 <Zakim> +Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve ←
12:59:51 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
12:59:51 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←
13:00:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
13:00:22 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
13:00:23 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
13:00:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:00:45 <adler1> zakim, this is dwbp
Steven Adler: zakim, this is dwbp ←
13:00:45 <Zakim> adler1, this was already DATA_DWBP()8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: adler1, this was already DATA_DWBP()8:00AM ←
13:00:46 <Zakim> ok, adler1; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, adler1; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM ←
13:01:07 <Zakim> +ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan ←
13:01:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
13:01:33 <dschwabe> zakim, ipcaller.a is me
Daniel Schwabe: zakim, ipcaller.a is me ←
13:01:33 <Zakim> +dschwabe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dschwabe; got it ←
13:01:36 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
13:01:42 <cgueret> zakim, ??P6 is me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, ??P6 is me ←
13:01:42 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it ←
13:01:45 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, [IPcaller], ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, [IPcaller], ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret ←
13:01:47 <cgueret> zakim, mute me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←
13:01:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
13:01:48 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted ←
13:01:53 <Zakim> +yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso ←
13:02:04 <deirdrelee> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Deirdre Lee: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
13:02:05 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:02:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:02:48 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:02:48 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:03:30 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has Nathalia
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Nathalia ←
13:03:30 <Zakim> +Nathalia; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Nathalia; got it ←
13:03:31 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:39 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:03:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:41 <Zakim> yaso has Nathalia
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Nathalia ←
13:03:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton, ←
13:03:41 <Zakim> ... PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
13:03:41 <yaso> zakim, yaso has Vagner
Yaso Córdova: zakim, yaso has Vagner ←
13:03:42 <Zakim> +Vagner; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vagner; got it ←
13:03:52 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has Caroline
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Caroline ←
13:03:52 <Zakim> +Caroline; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline; got it ←
13:04:17 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has Vagner_Br
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Vagner_Br ←
13:04:18 <Zakim> +Vagner_Br; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vagner_Br; got it ←
13:04:28 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is Laufer
Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is Laufer ←
13:04:29 <EricStephan> Its almost March :-)
Eric Stephan: Its almost March :-) ←
13:04:29 <Zakim> +Laufer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Laufer; got it ←
13:05:23 <PhilA> chair: Steve
13:05:27 <PhilA> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
13:05:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:05:51 <yaso> Laufer is introducing itself
Laufer is introducing itself ←
13:06:01 <yaso> Laufer: I work at the ??? group
Carlos Laufer: I work at the ??? group ←
13:06:18 <PhilA> Topic: New Member Intros
13:06:18 <Zakim> +yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso ←
13:06:23 <yaso> Laufer: I'm interested in semantic Web, I work with Danil Scwabe
Carlos Laufer: I'm interested in semantic Web, I work with Daniel Schwabe ←
13:06:30 <dschwabe> MBUI Model Based User Interfaces
Daniel Schwabe: MBUI Model Based User Interfaces ←
13:06:45 <Zakim> + +212.67.87.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +212.67.87.aabb ←
13:06:46 <yaso> Laufer: I work modelling interfaces and I research semantic Web
Carlos Laufer: I work modelling interfaces and I research semantic Web ←
13:06:53 <Bernadette_Loscio> zakim, [IPcaller] is Bernadette_Loscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, [IPcaller] is Bernadette_Loscio ←
13:06:53 <Zakim> +Bernadette_Loscio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernadette_Loscio; got it ←
13:06:55 <antoine> s/Danil Scwabe/Daniel Schwabe/
13:07:35 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
13:07:47 <CarlosIglesias> zakim ??P13 is really me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim ??P13 is really me ←
13:07:48 <yaso> Vagner: I am Vagner Diniz, the director of W3C Brazil, and I think it's a mistake, we're waiting for Wagner Meira
Vagner Diniz: I am Vagner Diniz, the director of W3C Brazil, and I think it's a mistake, we're waiting for Wagner Meira ←
13:08:20 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P13 is me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
13:08:20 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←
13:08:35 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:08:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, yaso, +212.67.87.aabb,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, yaso, +212.67.87.aabb, ←
13:08:39 <adler1> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140227
Steven Adler: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140227 ←
13:08:39 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: ... CarlosIglesias ←
13:08:39 <Zakim> yaso has Vagner_Br
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Vagner_Br ←
13:08:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, ←
13:08:39 <Zakim> ... adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
13:09:03 <Zakim> -yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso ←
13:09:18 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is Makx
Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is Makx ←
13:09:18 <Zakim> +Makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx; got it ←
13:09:23 <dschwabe> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-27 gives me internal error!
Daniel Schwabe: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-27 gives me internal error! ←
13:09:31 <yaso> PROPOSED: aprove last week minutes
PROPOSED: aprove last week minutes ←
13:09:34 <EricStephan> Its the wrong date
Eric Stephan: Its the wrong date ←
13:09:44 <PhilA> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21 ←
13:10:06 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21 ←
13:10:06 <Zakim> +yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso ←
13:10:11 <PhilA> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21
PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21 ←
13:10:11 <antoine> q+ on announcing minutes
Antoine Isaac: q+ on announcing minutes ←
13:10:19 <yaso> +1
+1 ←
13:10:20 <nathalia> +1
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 ←
13:10:20 <EricStephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:10:22 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:10:26 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:10:27 <PhilA> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:10:27 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:10:31 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
13:10:38 <CarlosIglesias> +1
Carlos Iglesias: +1 ←
13:10:42 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
13:10:42 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
13:10:43 <Vagner_Br> +1
Vagner Diniz: +1 ←
13:10:50 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
13:11:20 <yaso> RESOLVED: last week's minutes
RESOLVED: last week's minutes ←
13:11:47 <Bernadette_Loscio> zakim, mute me
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute me ←
13:11:47 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted ←
13:12:13 <yaso> Steve: who's planning to join us at London?
Steven Adler: who's planning to join us at London? ←
13:12:15 <HadleyBeeman> I'll be in London for the f2f :)
Hadley Beeman: I'll be in London for the f2f :) ←
13:12:19 <Bernadette_Loscio> me too
Bernadette Farias Loscio: me too ←
13:12:21 <Vagner_Br> +1
Vagner Diniz: +1 ←
13:12:24 <Bernadette_Loscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:12:24 <EricStephan> I could attend remotely
Eric Stephan: I could attend remotely ←
13:12:26 <antoine> tickets booked :-)
Antoine Isaac: tickets booked :-) ←
13:12:27 <yaso> Laufer: I'm going to the F2F meeting
Carlos Laufer: I'm going to the F2F meeting ←
13:12:35 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:12:37 <PhilA> Makx: Can we attend remotely
Makx Dekkers: Can we attend remotely [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:12:47 <PhilA> There will definitely be an IRC channel!
Phil Archer: There will definitely be an IRC channel! ←
13:12:56 <CarlosIglesias> +1
Carlos Iglesias: +1 ←
13:13:06 <yaso> Steve: we can open a line for that
Steven Adler: we can open a line for that ←
13:13:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:13:25 <yaso> Zakim, who's making noise?
Zakim, who's making noise? ←
13:13:36 <Zakim> yaso, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: PhilA (13%), Steve (13%), CarlosIglesias (8%), [IPcaller] (57%)
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: PhilA (13%), Steve (13%), CarlosIglesias (8%), [IPcaller] (57%) ←
13:13:40 <newton> Zakim who's talking?
Newton Calegari: Zakim who's talking? ←
13:13:43 <nathalia> I think I can attend remotely too
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I think I can attend remotely too ←
13:13:46 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
13:14:06 <Zakim> -yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso ←
13:14:32 <antoine> I suggest just to open a wiki page
Antoine Isaac: I suggest just to open a wiki page ←
13:14:37 <antoine> for counting people
Antoine Isaac: for counting people ←
13:14:44 <Makx> -q
Makx Dekkers: -q ←
13:14:58 <Vagner_Br> Phil, Yaso went out
Vagner Diniz: Phil, Yaso went out ←
13:15:55 <Caroline> Steve: the agenda should be a discussion document
Steven Adler: the agenda should be a discussion document [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
13:16:02 <Caroline> ... can we start to discuss it?
Caroline Burle: ... can we start to discuss it? ←
13:16:12 <Caroline> ... about the venue of the face to face meeting
Caroline Burle: ... about the venue of the face to face meeting ←
13:16:16 <gatemezi> URL for f2f meeting https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#attendees
Ghislain Atemezing: URL for f2f meeting https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#attendees ←
13:16:31 <Caroline> ... we had events on Linked Data and it is the first one on open data
Caroline Burle: ... we had events on Linked Data and it is the first one on open data ←
13:16:39 <Caroline> ... my team (at IBM) is very excited
Caroline Burle: ... my team (at IBM) is very excited ←
13:16:49 <Caroline> ... we could engage some practioners
Caroline Burle: ... we could engage some practioners ←
13:17:14 <Caroline> ... IBM hosting the event could provide some speakers and it could cover coffee and lunch
Caroline Burle: ... IBM hosting the event could provide some speakers and it could cover coffee and lunch ←
13:17:26 <Caroline> ... the venue is a beautiful space and very well located
Caroline Burle: ... the venue is a beautiful space and very well located ←
13:17:31 <Caroline> ... it is very easy to get there
Caroline Burle: ... it is very easy to get there ←
13:17:36 <EricStephan> I am jealous :-) sounds great
Eric Stephan: I am jealous :-) sounds great ←
13:18:07 <Caroline> ... Phil and Hadley arre looking for a speaker to introduce??
Caroline Burle: ... Phil and Hadley are looking for a speaker to introduce?? ←
13:18:18 <Caroline> ... do we want to go through the use cases?
Caroline Burle: ... do we want to go through the use cases? ←
13:18:21 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:18:28 <gatemezi> s/arre/are
13:18:42 <Caroline> ... we could have the speakers in the beggining of the day as a keynote and at the end of the day
Caroline Burle: ... we could have the speakers in the beggining of the day as a keynote and at the end of the day ←
13:18:59 <PhilA> q+ to ask who the OSM person is?
Phil Archer: q+ to ask who the OSM person is? ←
13:19:29 <Caroline> ... anybody has ideas about this agenda?
Caroline Burle: ... anybody has ideas about this agenda? ←
13:19:50 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:19:52 <Vagner_Br> +q
Vagner Diniz: +q ←
13:19:54 <Caroline> Zakim, who is on the queue?
Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is on the queue? ←
13:19:54 <Zakim> I see antoine, PhilA, Vagner_Br on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see antoine, PhilA, Vagner_Br on the speaker queue ←
13:19:56 <yaso_> I'm back! Tks Caroline
I'm back! Tks Caroline ←
13:20:02 <adler1> ack antoine
Steven Adler: ack antoine ←
13:20:02 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on announcing minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to comment on announcing minutes ←
13:20:15 <PhilA> q- later
Phil Archer: q- later ←
13:20:50 <yaso_> Antoine: One opening keynote and one closing keynote it's a good idea
Antoine Isaac: One opening keynote and one closing keynote it's a good idea ←
13:21:12 <dschwabe> +1
Daniel Schwabe: +1 ←
13:21:14 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
13:21:15 <Caroline> +1 regarding what Antoine said
Caroline Burle: +1 regarding what Antoine said ←
13:21:19 <yaso_> Steve: does anybody have any concerns about 2 keynotes?
Steven Adler: does anybody have any concerns about 2 keynotes? ←
13:21:20 <nathalia> +1
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 ←
13:21:23 <yaso_> +1
+1 ←
13:21:33 <PhilA> ack Vagner_Br
Phil Archer: ack Vagner_Br ←
13:21:34 <antoine> q- later
Antoine Isaac: q- later ←
13:21:34 <yaso_> ack Vagner
ack Vagner ←
13:21:40 <Laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:22:16 <yaso_> Vagner: I'm ok with having 2 keynotes but my first concern is: Steve said it's gonna be the 1st meeting on Open Data
Vagner Diniz: I'm ok with having 2 keynotes but my first concern is: Steve said it's gonna be the 1st meeting on Open Data ←
13:22:30 <yaso_> I raise a question: it's about Open Data or Data on the Web
I raise a question: it's about Open Data or Data on the Web ←
13:23:01 <yaso_> Vagner: We have to be sure about what we want from this F2f I think it's not very clear about that, at least for me
Vagner Diniz: We have to be sure about what we want from this F2f I think it's not very clear about that, at least for me ←
13:23:17 <yaso_> steve: those are good points
Steven Adler: those are good points ←
13:23:33 <EricStephan> +q
Eric Stephan: +q ←
13:23:39 <cgueret> -1 to synonym, +1 to larger category
Christophe Gueret: -1 to synonym, +1 to larger category ←
13:23:40 <antoine> q- later
Antoine Isaac: q- later ←
13:23:41 <yaso_> Steve: Does everybody thinks tha DW and OD are synonyms?
Steven Adler: Does everybody thinks tha DW and OD are synonyms? ←
13:23:43 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:23:50 <PhilA> Charter says: How can open data be interoperable not just with other open data but with data made available at marginal cost, under less permissive license terms, or with enterprise data?
Phil Archer: Charter says: How can open data be interoperable not just with other open data but with data made available at marginal cost, under less permissive license terms, or with enterprise data? ←
13:23:52 <antoine> q- later
Antoine Isaac: q- later ←
13:23:57 <gatemezi> I can suggest PhilA to have a small keynote during the F2F meeting
Ghislain Atemezing: I can suggest PhilA to have a small keynote during the F2F meeting ←
13:24:15 <yaso_> Phil: Data on the Web includes open data
Phil Archer: Data on the Web includes open data ←
13:24:53 <yaso_> Phil: it includes data that is in some another technology - Open Data it's not the focus of this group
Phil Archer: it includes data that is not open (irrespective of technology) - Open Data it's not the only focus of this group ←
13:24:56 <PhilA> q- later
Phil Archer: q- later ←
13:25:05 <yaso_> Steve: Vagner is that a line of your expectations?
Steven Adler: Vagner is that a line of your expectations? ←
13:25:33 <antoine> PhilA++
Antoine Isaac: PhilA++ ←
13:25:38 <yaso_> Vagner: yes, today I consider that Open Data is part of Data on The web. We should adress a large spectrum of data on this meeting
Vagner Diniz: yes, today I consider that Open Data is part of Data on The web. We should adress a large spectrum of data on this meeting ←
13:25:43 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:25:52 <CarlosIglesias> please note that Open Data is just Data on the web fulfilling a series of principles https://public.resource.org/8_principles.html
Carlos Iglesias: please note that Open Data is just Data on the web fulfilling a series of principles https://public.resource.org/8_principles.html ←
13:25:53 <PhilA> s/it includes data that is in some another technology - Open Data it's not the focus of this group/it includes data that is not open (irrespective of technology) - Open Data it's not the only focus of this group/
13:26:06 <yaso_> Steve: the metadata could also be applied to other types of data
Steven Adler: the metadata could also be applied to other types of data ←
13:26:08 <dschwabe> Does "barrier" include legal restrictions, i.e., data is accessible, but usable only withing restricted contexts, defined by a legal condition?
Daniel Schwabe: Does "barrier" include legal restrictions, i.e., data is accessible, but usable only withing restricted contexts, defined by a legal condition? ←
13:26:19 <CarlosIglesias> is not about firewalls and the so
Carlos Iglesias: is not about firewalls and the so ←
13:26:38 <CarlosIglesias> data could be public but without an open license by example
Carlos Iglesias: data could be public but without an open license by example ←
13:26:42 <yaso_> Vagner, does that definition works for you?
Vagner, does that definition works for you? ←
13:26:42 <EricStephan> I see "Data on the Web" open to protocols others than HTTP
Eric Stephan: I see "Data on the Web" open to protocols others than HTTP ←
13:26:49 <CarlosIglesias> that's also data on the web but not open data
Carlos Iglesias: that's also data on the web but not open data ←
13:27:08 <CarlosIglesias> in fact most of what we call open data is not actually open data but data on the web
Carlos Iglesias: in fact most of what we call open data is not actually open data but data on the web ←
13:27:45 <EricStephan> I would like open protocols like ftp, sftp, rsync etc to be a part of this as well.
Eric Stephan: I would like open protocols like ftp, sftp, rsync etc to be a part of this as well. ←
13:27:59 <yaso_> +1 to EricStephan
+1 to EricStephan ←
13:28:03 <PhilA> q+ to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined
Phil Archer: q+ to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined ←
13:28:37 <yaso_> Steve: i'm asking if that it's a convenient way and would that covers yours expectations
Steven Adler: i'm asking if that it's a convenient way and would that covers yours expectations ←
13:29:09 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:29:13 <yaso_> Vagner: my concern is much more about different technologies to make the data available
Vagner Diniz: my concern is much more about different technologies to make the data available ←
13:29:16 <dschwabe> q?
Daniel Schwabe: q? ←
13:29:25 <adler1> yaso is a great scribe
Steven Adler: yaso is a great scribe ←
13:29:50 <yaso_> Vagner: we could consider some BP on other technologies and try to reach them also
Vagner Diniz: we could consider some BP on other technologies and try to reach them also ←
13:29:59 <adler1> ack Eric
Steven Adler: ack Eric ←
13:30:04 <yaso_> Vagner: datavis is another field that we should rely on
Vagner Diniz: datavis is another field that we should rely on ←
13:30:13 <PhilA> ack EricStephan
Phil Archer: ack EricStephan ←
13:30:34 <yaso_> Eric: I just want to mention that are other protocols when we talk about data on the web
Eric Stephan: I just want to mention that are other protocols when we talk about data on the web ←
13:31:03 <PhilA> If it's not on HTTP(s) it's not on the Web... which may or may not be a useful observation
Phil Archer: If it's not on HTTP(s) it's not on the Web... which may or may not be a useful observation ←
13:31:15 <dschwabe> q+
Daniel Schwabe: q+ ←
13:31:16 <HadleyBeeman> Eric: can you give an example of another protocol?
Eric Stephan: can you give an example of another protocol? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
13:31:19 <yaso_> Eric: there are other techniques that can help scientific community to share information
Eric Stephan: there are other techniques that can help scientific community to share information ←
13:31:19 <PhilA> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
13:31:32 <adler1> ack deirdrelee
Steven Adler: ack deirdrelee ←
13:31:36 <Caroline> Zakim, unmute deirdrelee
Caroline Burle: Zakim, unmute deirdrelee ←
13:31:36 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline ←
13:31:40 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:31:40 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to ask who the OSM person is? and to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to ask who the OSM person is? and to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined ←
13:32:22 <yaso_> Phil:i could say that The web is Http and other protocols are out of the scope
Phil Archer: i could say that The web is Http and other protocols are out of the scope ←
13:32:27 <EricStephan> Yes Hadley, I can bring this out in my use case
Eric Stephan: Yes Hadley, I can bring this out in my use case ←
13:32:37 <yaso_> phil: but that is not a god aproach
Phil Archer: but that is not a god aproach ←
13:32:46 <HadleyBeeman> @ericstephan: Thanks. You've made me curious!
Hadley Beeman: @ericstephan: Thanks. You've made me curious! ←
13:33:01 <yaso_> Phil: part of our job is to tell people about the web
Phil Archer: part of our job is to tell people about the web ←
13:33:05 <EricStephan> Phil - I know I know, but a uri can point to these protocols
Eric Stephan: Phil - I know I know, but a uri can point to these protocols ←
13:33:42 <PhilA> yes EricStephan
Phil Archer: yes EricStephan ←
13:33:52 <yaso_> Steve: I think about BP and the metadata vocabs that we're going to create are not connected to protocols discussions
Steven Adler: I think about BP and the metadata vocabs that we're going to create are not connected to protocols discussions ←
13:34:01 <yaso_> Zakim, who's speaking?
Zakim, who's speaking? ←
13:34:09 <PhilA> yaso_ this is EricStephan
Phil Archer: yaso_ this is EricStephan ←
13:34:11 <Zakim> yaso_, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso_, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
13:34:16 <yaso_> Tks Phil
Tks Phil ←
13:36:00 <yaso_> Eric: basicly I see that the web is the main platform, but thinking in other enviroments to put data maybe it's a good idea
Eric Stephan: basicly I see that the web is the main platform, but thinking in other enviroments to put data maybe it's a good idea ←
13:36:00 <HadleyBeeman> Are there Web-based pointers or standards that could start those high-speed FTP processes? (Should there be?)
Hadley Beeman: Are there Web-based pointers or standards that could start those high-speed FTP processes? (Should there be?) ←
13:36:01 <cgueret> q+ to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP
Christophe Gueret: q+ to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP ←
13:36:31 <yaso_> Steve: I suggest that we can work on some scope
Steven Adler: I suggest that we can work on some scope ←
13:36:42 <cgueret> +1 to Steve proposal
Christophe Gueret: +1 to Steve proposal ←
13:36:47 <yaso_> Steve: the charteris vague on how do we wanna go
Steven Adler: the charter is vague on how do we wanna go ←
13:36:51 <dschwabe> +1
Daniel Schwabe: +1 ←
13:37:06 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:37:15 <gatemezi> s/charteris/charter is
13:37:58 <antoine> q+ on scope
Antoine Isaac: q+ on scope ←
13:38:01 <yaso_> Dschwabe: I also agree that we should organize
Daniel Schwabe: I also agree that we should organize ←
13:38:11 <Caroline> zakim, who is speaking?
Caroline Burle: zakim, who is speaking? ←
13:38:22 <Zakim> Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), deirdrelee (100%), Makx (14%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), deirdrelee (100%), Makx (14%) ←
13:39:06 <yaso_> I would suggest that we can identify where data it's been published
I would suggest that we can identify where data it's been published ←
13:39:15 <dschwabe> dschwabe
Daniel Schwabe: dschwabe ←
13:39:20 <yaso_> Phil I think it's Laufer
Phil I think it's Laufer ←
13:39:43 <yaso_> Steve: we can have federated sources of data
Steven Adler: we can have federated sources of data ←
13:39:46 <Laufer> it's dschwabe
Carlos Laufer: it's dschwabe ←
13:39:54 <EricStephan> +1 Steve
Eric Stephan: +1 Steve ←
13:39:55 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:39:56 <yaso_> Laufer: tks
Carlos Laufer: tks ←
13:40:10 <EricStephan> I've heard it called "data in the wild"
Eric Stephan: I've heard it called "data in the wild" ←
13:40:23 <yaso_> Steve: How far, whats are the limits of our work
Steven Adler: How far, whats are the limits of our work ←
13:40:48 <yaso_> dschwabe: we don't have to cover all fields
Daniel Schwabe: we don't have to cover all fields ←
13:41:29 <yaso_> dschwabe: It's not clear to me how far we can go
Daniel Schwabe: It's not clear to me how far we can go ←
13:41:42 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:41:45 <Caroline> I am not on the queue, thank you!
Caroline Burle: I am not on the queue, thank you! ←
13:41:55 <EricStephan> I like your point dschwabe about best practices, we don't have to be explicit about a certain applications needs
Eric Stephan: I like your point dschwabe about best practices, we don't have to be explicit about a certain applications needs ←
13:41:56 <PhilA> ack dschwabe
Phil Archer: ack dschwabe ←
13:42:03 <PhilA> ack cgueret
Phil Archer: ack cgueret ←
13:42:04 <Zakim> cgueret, you wanted to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret, you wanted to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP ←
13:43:00 <HadleyBeeman> q+ to talk about Web standards vs internet protocols
Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about Web standards vs internet protocols ←
13:43:02 <EricStephan> I am fine with focusing http, I just want the others ignored. I think we are in agreement
Eric Stephan: I am fine with focusing http, I just want the others ignored. I think we are in agreement ←
13:43:12 <dschwabe> My suggestion is that using URIs to identify items... they don't necessarily have to be http URIs
Daniel Schwabe: My suggestion is that using URIs to identify items... they don't necessarily have to be http URIs ←
13:43:13 <EricStephan> I don't want the others ignored
Eric Stephan: I don't want the others ignored ←
13:43:14 <PhilA> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases we have so far
Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases we have so far ←
13:43:16 <EricStephan> sorry
Eric Stephan: sorry ←
13:43:17 <PhilA> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
13:43:19 <yaso_> Tks EricStephan
Tks EricStephan ←
13:43:26 <cgueret> ack me
Christophe Gueret: ack me ←
13:43:35 <cgueret> zakim, mute me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←
13:43:35 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted ←
13:43:42 <yaso_> deirdrelee: this discussion are very related with the use cases that we collected
Deirdre Lee: this discussion are very related with the use cases that we collected ←
13:44:05 <cgueret> +1 to Eric, focus on HTTP and don't forget the others
Christophe Gueret: +1 to Eric, focus on HTTP and don't forget the others ←
13:44:19 <yaso_> deirdrelee: there are other aspects as well
Deirdre Lee: there are other aspects as well ←
13:44:32 <EricStephan> I'll bring out the protocols in my use case which I haven't done yet :-)
Eric Stephan: I'll bring out the protocols in my use case which I haven't done yet :-) ←
13:44:54 <yaso_> Steve: the use cases that we collected are a signal of the maturity of the industry
Steven Adler: the use cases that we collected are a signal of the maturity of the industry ←
13:44:58 <antoine> deirdre++
Antoine Isaac: deirdre++ ←
13:44:59 <dschwabe> mute me
Daniel Schwabe: mute me ←
13:45:07 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:45:15 <PhilA> ack antoine
Phil Archer: ack antoine ←
13:45:15 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on scope
Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to comment on scope ←
13:45:20 <EricStephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:45:21 <adler1> ack antoine
Steven Adler: ack antoine ←
13:45:45 <Caroline> Steve: there maybe be thigns in the use cases there are missing, but we should work more cientifically as well
Steven Adler: there maybe be thigns in the use cases there are missing, but we should work more cientifically as well [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
13:45:56 <dschwabe> zakim, mute me
Daniel Schwabe: zakim, mute me ←
13:45:56 <Zakim> dschwabe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should now be muted ←
13:46:00 <Zakim> -Makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx ←
13:46:03 <EricStephan> Conceptually I can represent all protocols in a URI
Eric Stephan: Conceptually I can represent all protocols in a URI ←
13:46:16 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:46:26 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:46:39 <yaso_> Steve: i would like to propose an agenda: that everybody works on ideas to our scope based on what they see and what they don't see in the uc
Steven Adler: i would like to propose an agenda: that everybody works on ideas to our scope based on what they see and what they don't see in the uc ←
13:46:40 <Zakim> + +3858844aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3858844aacc ←
13:46:55 <antoine> Steve++
Antoine Isaac: Steve++ ←
13:47:01 <Makx> zakim aacc is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim aacc is me ←
13:47:03 <yaso_> Steve: we should discuss what's on the scope
Steven Adler: we should discuss what's on the scope ←
13:47:25 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:47:44 <yaso_> Phil: I think we shoul put the UC on the scope
Phil Archer: I think we shoul put the UC on the scope ←
13:48:10 <Vagner_Br> q+
Vagner Diniz: q+ ←
13:48:12 <yaso_> Phil: the UC in my mind are the scope. The UC are our tool to define the scope
Phil Archer: the UC in my mind are the scope. The UC are our tool to define the scope ←
13:48:28 <yaso_> Phil: we can look at the UC that we have and then decide
Phil Archer: we can look at the UC that we have and then decide ←
13:48:30 <cgueret> +1 to Phil
Christophe Gueret: +1 to Phil ←
13:48:41 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
13:48:53 <yaso_> Phil: we have the growing page of UC with Bernadette and DeirdreeLee are working
Phil Archer: we have the growing page of UC with Bernadette and DeirdreeLee are working ←
13:48:56 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:48:57 <yaso_> +1 to Phil
+1 to Phil ←
13:49:31 <yaso_> Hadley: we need to think that we are a W3C Wg
Hadley Beeman: we need to think that we are a W3C Wg ←
13:49:39 <yaso_> dealing with standards
dealing with Web standards ←
13:49:49 <PhilA> s/standards/Web standards/
13:49:56 <dschwabe> UCs can provide positive evidence, but absence of a certain aspect in any use case doesn't mean it's not relevant for scope...
Daniel Schwabe: UCs can provide positive evidence, but absence of a certain aspect in any use case doesn't mean it's not relevant for scope... ←
13:50:14 <Caroline> thank you! :)
Caroline Burle: thank you! :) ←
13:50:30 <yaso_> Steve: I agree with Hadley, we are just exploring the issues
Steven Adler: I agree with Hadley, we are just exploring the issues ←
13:50:45 <yaso_> Steve: I think the 1st discusion in london should be around this issues
Steven Adler: I think the 1st discusion in london should be around this issues ←
13:51:14 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:51:19 <yaso_> Steve: i added some commom questions
Steven Adler: i added some commom questions ←
13:51:40 <yaso_> dschwabe: we can have a wiki page for that?
Daniel Schwabe: we can have a wiki page for that? ←
13:51:43 <PhilA> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases page
Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases page ←
13:51:53 <yaso_> Steve: we haven't fill the UC table
Steven Adler: we haven't fill the UC table ←
13:52:13 <yaso_> Steve: I'm not sure about the difference of the UC table and the UC stories
Steven Adler: I'm not sure about the difference of the UC table and the UC stories ←
13:52:21 <EricStephan> Great idea!
Eric Stephan: Great idea! ←
13:52:26 <EricStephan> Yes
Eric Stephan: Yes ←
13:52:29 <gatemezi> yes
Ghislain Atemezing: yes ←
13:52:30 <yaso_> Steve: if you have an ideia of scope, please provide some UC
Steven Adler: if you have an ideaof scope, please provide some UC ←
13:52:31 <cgueret> yes
Christophe Gueret: yes ←
13:52:32 <Caroline> Yes!
Caroline Burle: Yes! ←
13:52:50 <Caroline> s/ideia /idea
13:52:53 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
13:52:54 <EricStephan> Yes I've looked at the questions
Eric Stephan: Yes I've looked at the questions ←
13:52:56 <PhilA> q- HadleyBeeman
Phil Archer: q- HadleyBeeman ←
13:53:00 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
13:53:00 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
13:53:01 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
13:53:01 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:53:01 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
13:53:06 <PhilA> ack Vagner_Br
Phil Archer: ack Vagner_Br ←
13:53:24 <yaso_> Vagner: I like the idea to discuss issues around the UC, specially this questions
Vagner Diniz: I like the idea to discuss issues around the UC, specially this questions ←
13:53:57 <EricStephan> Can we add questions to this use case list?
Eric Stephan: Can we add questions to this use case list? ←
13:54:07 <yaso_> Vagner_Br: but usually this F2F are an opportunnity to go further
Vagner Diniz: but usually this F2F are an opportunnity to go further ←
13:54:13 <Bernadette_Loscio> yes Eric!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Eric! ←
13:54:26 <EricStephan> Thank you Bernadette
Eric Stephan: Thank you Bernadette ←
13:54:27 <Caroline> +1 to Vagner's idea
Caroline Burle: +1 to Vagner's idea ←
13:54:32 <yaso_> Vagner_Br: we can have to time to work more on the deliverables that we have to work
Vagner Diniz: we can have to time to work more on the deliverables that we have to work ←
13:54:48 <antoine> -1
Antoine Isaac: -1 ←
13:54:52 <gatemezi> Do we already know all the editors here ?
Ghislain Atemezing: Do we already know all the editors here ? ←
13:55:18 <yaso_> Vagner_Br: my expectation is to know better the editor's work and this WG work
Vagner Diniz: my expectation is to know better the editor's work and this WG work ←
13:55:29 <dschwabe> +1 to Vagner
Daniel Schwabe: +1 to Vagner ←
13:55:38 <Bernadette_Loscio> +1 to Vagner
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to Vagner ←
13:55:54 <Caroline> Zakim, who is speaking
Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is speaking ←
13:55:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is speaking', Caroline ←
13:56:01 <Caroline> Zakim, who is talking
Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is talking ←
13:56:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', Caroline ←
13:56:13 <Caroline> Zakim, who's talking
Caroline Burle: Zakim, who's talking ←
13:56:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's talking', Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's talking', Caroline ←
13:56:19 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is making noise? ←
13:56:29 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), Steve (75%), deirdrelee (43%)
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), Steve (75%), deirdrelee (43%) ←
13:56:35 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:56:47 <yaso_> Phil: I'm gonna contribute to the UC
Phil Archer: I'm gonna contribute to the UC ←
13:56:58 <Zakim> -gatemezi
Zakim IRC Bot: -gatemezi ←
13:57:21 <yaso_> Phil: if people don't know about web standards we need to tell them
Phil Archer: if people don't know about web standards we need to tell them ←
13:58:03 <Caroline> ...my big worry is that if we spend our time and effort thinking about what for some people are small steps, people who already know that will walk away
Caroline Burle: ...my big worry is that if we spend our time and effort thinking about what for some people are small steps, people who already know that will walk away ←
13:58:10 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to that, PhilA
Hadley Beeman: +1 to that, PhilA ←
13:58:14 <antoine> q?
Antoine Isaac: q? ←
13:58:16 <Bernadette_Loscio> we need to have different levels... our public will be very heterogeneous
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need to have different levels... our public will be very heterogeneous ←
13:58:27 <adler1> ack deidrelee
Steven Adler: ack deidrelee ←
13:58:38 <EricStephan> +1 PhilA
Eric Stephan: +1 PhilA ←
13:58:48 <yaso_> Phil: for the F2F, by the end of the meeting, Bernadette and DeirdreeLee can send out our first deliverable
Phil Archer: for the F2F, by the end of the meeting, Bernadette and DeirdreeLee can send out our first deliverable ←
13:58:50 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:59:00 <antoine> But I'm worried by the timing
Antoine Isaac: But I'm worried by the timing ←
13:59:04 <PhilA> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
13:59:08 <HadleyBeeman> I like that phrasing, Steve.
Hadley Beeman: I like that phrasing, Steve. ←
13:59:24 <Caroline> Zakim, unmute deirdrelee
Caroline Burle: Zakim, unmute deirdrelee ←
13:59:24 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline ←
13:59:27 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:59:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio (muted), CarlosIglesias,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio (muted), CarlosIglesias, ←
13:59:31 <Zakim> ... +3858844aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +3858844aacc ←
13:59:31 <Zakim> yaso has Vagner_Br
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Vagner_Br ←
13:59:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, ←
13:59:31 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
13:59:37 <PhilA> zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio
Phil Archer: zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio ←
13:59:37 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio should no longer be muted ←
13:59:40 <yaso_> q?
q? ←
13:59:46 <Bernadette_Loscio> +q
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q ←
13:59:54 <PhilA> zakim, unmute cgueret
Phil Archer: zakim, unmute cgueret ←
13:59:55 <Zakim> cgueret should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should no longer be muted ←
14:00:10 <MTCarrasco> Call restricted
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Call restricted ←
14:00:14 <dschwabe> zakim, unmute me
Daniel Schwabe: zakim, unmute me ←
14:00:14 <Zakim> dschwabe should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should no longer be muted ←
14:00:15 <PhilA> zakim, unmute dschwabe
Phil Archer: zakim, unmute dschwabe ←
14:00:16 <Zakim> dschwabe was not muted, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe was not muted, PhilA ←
14:00:21 <cgueret> \o/
Christophe Gueret: \o/ ←
14:00:31 <HadleyBeeman> sorry, MT carrasco - we've gone past our allotted time, so Zakim won't let you in. :(
Hadley Beeman: sorry, MT carrasco - we've gone past our allotted time, so Zakim won't let you in. :( ←
14:00:32 <yaso_> There's too much ecco
There's too much ecco ←
14:00:33 <dschwabe> zakim, mute me
Daniel Schwabe: zakim, mute me ←
14:00:33 <Zakim> dschwabe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should now be muted ←
14:00:37 <cgueret> zakim, mute me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←
14:00:37 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted ←
14:00:48 <HadleyBeeman> s/MT carrrasco/mtcarrasco
Hadley Beeman: s/MT carrrasco/mtcarrasco (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:00:49 <Makx> -q
Makx Dekkers: -q ←
14:00:51 <PhilA> zakim, mute Bernadette_Loscio
Phil Archer: zakim, mute Bernadette_Loscio ←
14:00:51 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted ←
14:01:01 <PhilA> ack antoine
Phil Archer: ack antoine ←
14:01:02 <yaso_> q?
q? ←
14:01:14 <Makx> sorry, have leave
Makx Dekkers: sorry, have leave ←
14:01:31 <Makx> other meeting startong
Makx Dekkers: other meeting startong ←
14:01:47 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
14:01:56 <Zakim> - +3858844aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +3858844aacc ←
14:02:16 <Bernadette_Loscio> yes Deirdre! great!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Deirdre! great! ←
14:02:21 <yaso_> Steve: we should continue to discuss it by email
Steven Adler: we should continue to discuss it by email ←
14:02:23 <PhilA> ack Bernadette_Loscio
Phil Archer: ack Bernadette_Loscio ←
14:02:27 <EricStephan> Very good about carrying conversations forward in email
Eric Stephan: Very good about carrying conversations forward in email ←
14:02:36 <deirdrelee> stories are specific, use-cases are more general. the questions steve added are more applicaple to stories i think
Deirdre Lee: stories are specific, use-cases are more general. the questions steve added are more applicaple to stories i think ←
14:02:40 <dschwabe> I've already added the Scope section to the Use Cases page. But I'm not sure that's the best place to put it...
Daniel Schwabe: I've already added the Scope section to the Use Cases page. But I'm not sure that's the best place to put it... ←
14:02:43 <Bernadette_Loscio> unmute
Bernadette Farias Loscio: unmute ←
14:02:50 <Bernadette_Loscio> zakim, unmte
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmte ←
14:02:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmte', Bernadette_Loscio
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmte', Bernadette_Loscio ←
14:02:51 <PhilA> zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio
Phil Archer: zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio ←
14:02:52 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, PhilA ←
14:02:57 <Caroline> Zakim, unmute Bernadette
Caroline Burle: Zakim, unmute Bernadette ←
14:02:57 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, Caroline ←
14:02:57 <HadleyBeeman> @dschwabe: that's great for now. We can always move it later!
Hadley Beeman: @dschwabe: that's great for now. We can always move it later! ←
14:03:04 <Bernadette_Loscio> ok...
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok... ←
14:03:04 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias ←
14:03:07 <Bernadette_Loscio> im having problems
Bernadette Farias Loscio: im having problems ←
14:03:07 <Zakim> yaso has Vagner_Br
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Vagner_Br ←
14:03:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, ←
14:03:07 <Zakim> ... dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
14:03:08 <deirdrelee> +1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F
Deirdre Lee: +1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F ←
14:03:09 <EricStephan> +1 Deirdrelee this discussion has changed what I'll emphasize
Eric Stephan: +1 Deirdrelee this discussion has changed what I'll emphasize ←
14:03:18 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
14:03:21 <yaso_> +1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F
+1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F ←
14:03:32 <yaso_> Steve: no one is the speaker q
Steven Adler: no one is the speaker q ←
14:03:39 <yaso_> Steve: can we close the meeting?
Steven Adler: can we close the meeting? ←
14:03:42 <Bernadette_Loscio> the first draft will depend from the stories that we have
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the first draft will depend from the stories that we have ←
14:03:42 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:03:53 <gatemezi> I don't see the difference between the scope and the Use-case elements
Ghislain Atemezing: I don't see the difference between the scope and the Use-case elements ←
14:03:57 <yaso_> Steve: I really would love to continue but we have to finish
Steven Adler: I really would love to continue but we have to finish ←
14:04:10 <Bernadette_Loscio> we need more stories :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need more stories :) ←
14:04:13 <HadleyBeeman> gatemezi: I think that will become clearer as we go. Let's just start with lots of ideas, and then we can sort them.
Ghislain Atemezing: I think that will become clearer as we go. Let's just start with lots of ideas, and then we can sort them. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
14:04:14 <gatemezi> ...that we have in the wiki page ..
Ghislain Atemezing: ...that we have in the wiki page .. ←
14:04:20 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
14:04:21 <adler1> we need more stories
Steven Adler: we need more stories ←
14:04:21 <dschwabe> I think the scope section should be up front, and refer to the UCs
Daniel Schwabe: I think the scope section should be up front, and refer to the UCs ←
14:04:22 <yaso_> Steve: I would love to see more ideas coming by email
Steven Adler: I would love to see more ideas coming by email ←
14:04:28 <gatemezi> ok @hadleybeeman
Ghislain Atemezing: ok @hadleybeeman ←
14:04:33 <adler1> I will send more via email and on the wiki
Steven Adler: I will send more via email and on the wiki ←
14:04:40 <ivan> PHILLLL
Ivan Herman: PHILLLL ←
14:04:43 <ivan> it is in a week
Ivan Herman: it is in a week ←
14:04:47 <Bernadette_Loscio> @gatemezi, deirdre wiln send a msg explain this
Bernadette Farias Loscio: @gatemezi, deirdre wiln send a msg explain this ←
14:04:50 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
14:04:50 <Zakim> Ivan was not muted, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan was not muted, ivan ←
14:05:02 <yaso_> Phil: we are about to change our meeting's time
Phil Archer: we are about to change our meeting's time ←
14:05:05 <EricStephan> +1 to meeting at 6am instead of 5am
Eric Stephan: +1 to meeting at 6am instead of 5am ←
14:05:13 <EricStephan> or an hour later
Eric Stephan: or an hour later ←
14:05:19 <EricStephan> :-) Hadley
Eric Stephan: :-) Hadley ←
14:05:49 <Caroline> Zakim, mute dschwabe
Caroline Burle: Zakim, mute dschwabe ←
14:05:49 <Zakim> dschwabe was already muted, Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe was already muted, Caroline ←
14:05:49 <yaso_> Caroline_: would be nice to not follow the US time
Caroline Burle: would be nice to not follow the US time ←
14:05:51 <HadleyBeeman> Thank you, yaso_ for scribing! Thanks, adler1, for chairing!
Hadley Beeman: Thank you, yaso_ for scribing! Thanks, adler1, for chairing! ←
14:05:51 <Bernadette_Loscio> ok ;)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok ;) ←
14:05:53 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
14:05:57 <cgueret> thx
Christophe Gueret: thx ←
14:05:59 <cgueret> bye!
Christophe Gueret: bye! ←
14:06:00 <CarlosIglesias> bye!
Carlos Iglesias: bye! ←
14:06:00 <Bernadette_Loscio> thank you!!!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thank you!!! ←
14:06:01 <Zakim> -dschwabe
Zakim IRC Bot: -dschwabe ←
14:06:01 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
14:06:02 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
14:06:13 <yaso_> Thank Steve for chairing :-)
Thank Steve for chairing :-) ←
14:06:22 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias ←
14:06:23 <yaso_> @hadley :-)
@hadley :-) ←
14:06:23 <nathalia> Agree with Caroline about the time
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: Agree with Caroline about the time ←
14:06:30 <dschwabe> quit
Daniel Schwabe: quit ←
14:06:38 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 Today's minutes
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 Today's minutes ←
14:06:40 <nathalia> bye
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye ←
14:06:42 <Bernadette_Loscio> bye!!!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye!!! ←
14:06:45 <yaso_> Bye
Bye ←
14:06:46 <Zakim> -Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steve ←
14:06:47 <dschwabe> bye
Daniel Schwabe: bye ←
14:06:47 <adler1> good call
Steven Adler: good call ←
14:06:47 <Zakim> -yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso ←
14:06:49 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
14:06:49 <Zakim> -PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←
14:06:52 <Zakim> -Laufer
Zakim IRC Bot: -Laufer ←
14:06:59 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
14:07:13 <adler1> what do we type to generate minutes?
Steven Adler: what do we type to generate minutes? ←
14:07:29 <PhilA> It's automatic, it's done http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28
Phil Archer: It's automatic, it's done http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 ←
14:08:07 <adler1> its all red boxes
Steven Adler: its all red boxes ←
14:08:12 <Laufer> quit
Carlos Laufer: quit ←
14:08:21 <PhilA> It won't be adler1, I;ll fix it
Phil Archer: It won't be adler1, I;ll fix it ←
14:08:27 <PhilA> And show you how in London
Phil Archer: And show you how in London ←
14:08:35 <adler1> thank you :)
Steven Adler: thank you :) ←
17:05:28 <Zakim> -Bernadette_Loscio
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17:10:28 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, cgueret, in DATA_DWBP()8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, cgueret, in DATA_DWBP()8:00AM ←
17:10:30 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended ←
17:10:30 <Zakim> Attendees were +55213527aaaa, Steve, PhilA, Ivan, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret, deirdrelee, antoine, Nathalia, HadleyBeeman, Vagner, Caroline, Vagner_Br, Laufer, yaso,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +55213527aaaa, Steve, PhilA, Ivan, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret, deirdrelee, antoine, Nathalia, HadleyBeeman, Vagner, Caroline, Vagner_Br, Laufer, yaso, ←
17:10:31 <Zakim> ... +212.67.87.aabb, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias, Makx, gatemezi, +3858844aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +212.67.87.aabb, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias, Makx, gatemezi, +3858844aacc ←
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