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14:59:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/26-dpub-irc
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15:00:32 <clapierre> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:04:13 <clapierre> Now you just need to get the audio connected.
Now you just need to get the audio connected. ←
15:05:07 <clapierre> or call in.. we see you in webex
or call in.. we see you in webex ←
15:06:25 <tzviya> access code: 642 567 899
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15:08:33 <clapierre> title: ARIA-describedAt
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Unknown title: ARIA-describedAt ←
15:09:37 <clapierre> George, the mandate is sometime in Aug. PF is saying they will have a Thur call with us. They want a commitment from Publishers for describedAt
George, the mandate is sometime in Aug. PF is saying they will have a Thur call with us. They want a commitment from Publishers for describedAt ←
15:09:54 <clapierre> …, thats what RS said in a conference call this past week.
…, thats what RS said in a conference call this past week. ←
15:10:07 <clapierre> …, deborah was tasked to write something up from DPUB.
…, deborah was tasked to write something up from DPUB. ←
15:10:28 <clapierre> …, otherwise describedAt will be dropped out of 1.1
…, otherwise describedAt will be dropped out of 1.1 ←
15:10:49 <clapierre> …, RS said they would invite other publishers that are not apart of W3C
…, RS said they would invite other publishers that are not apart of W3C ←
15:11:20 <clapierre> tzviya, (last comment was from Tzyvia)
tzviya, (last comment was from Tzyvia) ←
15:12:10 <clapierre> George, using the Diagrammer that could be accessed from annotations. but we don't have annotations yet.
George, using the Diagrammer that could be accessed from annotations. but we don't have annotations yet. ←
15:12:34 <clapierre> …, how would publishers would use this.
…, how would publishers would use this. ←
15:12:55 <clapierre> Deborah, I have a draft of this document which has this specifically stated.
Deborah, I have a draft of this document which has this specifically stated. ←
15:15:08 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:15:25 <clapierre> …, 3 parts (1. use cases, 2. publishers can't commit to this, what we can offer instead of this we could commit to a couple Proof of Concepts). B. We have a new relationship with BISG which could be used to help communication between the two groups.
…, 3 parts (1. use cases, 2. publishers can't commit to this, what we can offer instead of this we could commit to a couple Proof of Concepts). B. We have a new relationship with BISG which could be used to help communication between the two groups. ←
15:16:55 <clapierre> …, use cases. Semantic Markup / Multi Language markup. Extended explanation of linked pages. multiple lengthy descriptions in a single page.
…, use cases. Semantic Markup / Multi Language markup. Extended explanation of linked pages. multiple lengthy descriptions in a single page. ←
15:18:07 <clapierre> …, all material should be accessible to all (Not just disabled)
…, all material should be accessible to all (Not just disabled) ←
15:18:38 <clapierre> …, only Screen Readers have ways to skip to main content etc… so that is an issue.
…, only Screen Readers have ways to skip to main content etc… so that is an issue. ←
15:19:11 <clapierre> George, so why are we looking at describedAt which is an A11Y construct.
George, so why are we looking at describedAt which is an A11Y construct. ←
15:20:25 <clapierre> deborah, eg. Tumbler allows you access to alt-text but only if there is a caption, which Tumbler users don't want to have that caption.
deborah, eg. Tumbler allows you access to alt-text but only if there is a caption, which Tumbler users don't want to have that caption. ←
15:21:34 <clapierre> …, UA could make this accessible to all
…, UA could make this accessible to all ←
15:21:45 <tzviya> q-
Tzviya Siegman: q- ←
15:21:59 <clapierre> …, longdesc / alttext are only for images
…, longdesc / alttext are only for images ←
15:22:28 <clapierre> …, describedAt is more robust
…, describedAt is more robust ←
15:22:54 <clapierre> tzviya, annotations could be used but is not a recommendation yet and may not be fully accessible.
tzviya, annotations could be used but is not a recommendation yet and may not be fully accessible. ←
15:23:50 <clapierre> george, 3D printing / models will push this for everyone not just people with disabilities.
george, 3D printing / models will push this for everyone not just people with disabilities. ←
15:24:54 <clapierre> deborah, annotations are important, descriedBy has issues. longdesc/alttext can only be used on images, annotations does not exist yet…
deborah, annotations are important, descriedBy has issues. longdesc/alttext can only be used on images, annotations does not exist yet… ←
15:25:03 <tzviya> I recommend that we create sample markup for a few use cases
Tzviya Siegman: I recommend that we create sample markup for a few use cases ←
15:25:52 <clapierre> george, Apples objections (they are vocal) objecting to longdesc and describedAt.
george, Apples objections (they are vocal) objecting to longdesc and describedAt. ←
15:27:19 <clapierre> …, will cause this to be delayed if not dropped entirely
…, will cause this to be delayed if not dropped entirely ←
15:28:10 <clapierre> …, would love to see publishers add enhancements to content to improve A11Y.
…, would love to see publishers add enhancements to content to improve A11Y. ←
15:28:37 <clapierre> …, put more resources into open annotations
…, put more resources into open annotations ←
15:29:35 <clapierre> tzviya, show markup in your draft deborah will really help, and then we can go to BISG with this document.
tzviya, show markup in your draft deborah will really help, and then we can go to BISG with this document. ←
15:30:07 <clapierre> tzviya, was unfortunate that we didn't discuss our relationship with BISG in our meeting this past week… full agenda.
tzviya, was unfortunate that we didn't discuss our relationship with BISG in our meeting this past week… full agenda. ←
15:30:42 <clapierre> …, RS will want a # of publishers together, but if we can't commit to this then this is a problem.
…, RS will want a # of publishers together, but if we can't commit to this then this is a problem. ←
15:31:07 <clapierre> George, if this isn't implemented others will create workarounds.
George, if this isn't implemented others will create workarounds. ←
15:32:02 <clapierre> …, if it stays in ARIA 1.1 (we have a better chance) if it doesn't go into 1.1 then we have to look at workarounds to do this.
…, if it stays in ARIA 1.1 (we have a better chance) if it doesn't go into 1.1 then we have to look at workarounds to do this. ←
15:32:54 <clapierre> …, Apple would say to add links on the page or use other methods to accomplish the same thing
…, Apple would say to add links on the page or use other methods to accomplish the same thing ←
15:33:49 <clapierre> Deborah, do we know what the problem really is for the formal objection?
Deborah, do we know what the problem really is for the formal objection? ←
15:34:09 <clapierre> George, I think it has to do with UI design, and the ability to get back
George, I think it has to do with UI design, and the ability to get back ←
15:35:32 <clapierre> Tzviya, it doesn't need to be that way, they could bring the external page into the current page.
Tzviya, it doesn't need to be that way, they could bring the external page into the current page. ←
15:36:24 <clapierre> …, should you ever have to link outside of the current page.
…, should you ever have to link outside of the current page. ←
15:36:49 <clapierre> George, next steps…
George, next steps… ←
15:37:12 <clapierre> …, review Deborah's document and then reach out to publishers
…, review Deborah's document and then reach out to publishers ←
15:38:02 <clapierre> Tzviya, RS sooner the better, and names of publishers would help put more weight on this when its not just the DPUB.
Tzviya, RS sooner the better, and names of publishers would help put more weight on this when its not just the DPUB. ←
15:39:25 <clapierre> …, the people who need to see this needs to see publishers they recognize
…, the people who need to see this needs to see publishers they recognize ←
15:40:36 <clapierre> Deborah, its reasonable for us to say, asking trade publishers to sign-on will not happen?
Deborah, its reasonable for us to say, asking trade publishers to sign-on will not happen? ←
15:42:01 <clapierre> George, RS says he would go to bat for us if he has a document that is endorsed by big publishers and not just DPUB.
George, RS says he would go to bat for us if he has a document that is endorsed by big publishers and not just DPUB. ←
15:42:36 <clapierre> …, killer application is 3D printing
…, killer application is 3D printing ←
15:42:47 <clapierre> deborah, can you elaborate for usecases
deborah, can you elaborate for usecases ←
15:44:02 <clapierre> George, got a picture of the sphinx and then a link to a 3D image file of that. Maps is a great use case.
George, got a picture of the sphinx and then a link to a 3D image file of that. Maps is a great use case. ←
15:44:28 <clapierre> Tzviya, 3D printing is becoming a lot more affordable.
Tzviya, 3D printing is becoming a lot more affordable. ←
15:46:01 <clapierre> …, we don't want to describe how the UX would work
…, we don't want to describe how the UX would work ←
15:46:37 <clapierre> George, relief maps with 3D printing would be great!
George, relief maps with 3D printing would be great! ←
15:52:38 <clapierre> charles, no meeting next Friday due to holiday
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charles, no meeting next Friday due to holiday ←
15:53:30 <clapierre> tzviya, we should have deborah's note and hopefully will discuss this in a couple weeks at our DPUB meeting.
tzviya, we should have deborah's note and hopefully will discuss this in a couple weeks at our DPUB meeting. ←
15:53:50 <clapierre> George, will be away until August
George, will be away until August ←
15:54:18 <clapierre> tzviya, BISG WG call, Deborah would you like to be a member?
tzviya, BISG WG call, Deborah would you like to be a member? ←
15:54:43 <clapierre> Deborah, sure… if it is going to be a huge time commitment, I would have to ask my manager.
Deborah, sure… if it is going to be a huge time commitment, I would have to ask my manager. ←
15:55:08 <clapierre> tzviya, not really once ever 2-4 weeks.
tzviya, not really once ever 2-4 weeks. ←
15:55:36 <clapierre> …, I will add Julie Morris to add Deborah.
…, I will add Julie Morris to add Deborah. ←
15:56:18 <clapierre> Deborah, I will send this note to Charles, George, Tzviya, Mia and Ivan.
Deborah, I will send this note to Charles, George, Tzviya, Mia and Ivan. ←
15:56:37 <clapierre> rrsagent, draft minutes
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