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15:04:13 <clapierre> Now you just need to get the audio connected.
15:05:07 <clapierre> or call in.. we see you in webex
15:06:25 <tzviya> access code: 642 567 899
15:08:33 <clapierre> title: ARIA-describedAt
15:09:37 <clapierre> George, the mandate is sometime in Aug.  PF is saying they will have a Thur call with us.  They want a commitment from Publishers for describedAt
15:09:54 <clapierre> …, thats what RS said in a conference call this past week.
15:10:07 <clapierre> …, deborah was tasked to write something up from DPUB.
15:10:28 <clapierre> …, otherwise describedAt will be dropped out of 1.1
15:10:49 <clapierre> …, RS said they would invite other publishers that are not apart of W3C
15:11:20 <clapierre> tzviya, (last comment was from Tzyvia)
15:12:10 <clapierre> George, using the Diagrammer that could be accessed from annotations. but we don't have annotations yet.
15:12:34 <clapierre> …, how would publishers would use this.
15:12:55 <clapierre> Deborah, I have a draft of this document which has this specifically stated.
15:15:08 <tzviya> q+
15:15:25 <clapierre> …, 3 parts (1. use cases, 2. publishers can't commit to this, what we can offer instead of this we could commit to a couple Proof of Concepts).  B. We have a new relationship with BISG which could be used to help communication between the two groups.
15:16:55 <clapierre> …, use cases.  Semantic Markup / Multi Language markup.  Extended explanation of linked pages.  multiple lengthy descriptions in a single page.
15:18:07 <clapierre> …, all material should be accessible to all (Not just disabled)
15:18:38 <clapierre> …, only Screen Readers have ways to skip to main content etc… so that is an issue.
15:19:11 <clapierre> George, so why are we looking at describedAt which is an A11Y construct.
15:20:25 <clapierre> deborah, eg. Tumbler allows you access to alt-text but only if there is a caption, which Tumbler users don't want to have that caption.
15:21:34 <clapierre> …, UA could make this accessible to all
15:21:45 <tzviya> q-
15:21:59 <clapierre> …, longdesc / alttext are only for images
15:22:28 <clapierre> …, describedAt is more robust
15:22:54 <clapierre> tzviya, annotations could be used but is not a recommendation yet and may not be fully accessible.
15:23:50 <clapierre> george, 3D printing / models will push this for everyone not just people with disabilities.
15:24:54 <clapierre> deborah, annotations are important, descriedBy has issues.  longdesc/alttext can only be used on images, annotations does not exist yet…
15:25:03 <tzviya> I recommend that we create sample markup for a few use cases
15:25:52 <clapierre> george, Apples objections (they are vocal) objecting to longdesc and describedAt.
15:27:19 <clapierre> …, will cause this to be delayed if not dropped entirely
15:28:10 <clapierre> …, would love to see publishers add enhancements to content to improve A11Y.
15:28:37 <clapierre> …, put more resources into open annotations
15:29:35 <clapierre> tzviya, show markup in your draft deborah will really help, and then we can go to BISG with this document.
15:30:07 <clapierre> tzviya, was unfortunate that we didn't discuss our relationship with BISG in our meeting this past week… full agenda.
15:30:42 <clapierre> …, RS will want a # of publishers together, but if we can't commit to this then this is a problem.
15:31:07 <clapierre> George, if this isn't implemented others will create workarounds.
15:32:02 <clapierre> …, if it stays in ARIA 1.1 (we have a better chance) if it doesn't go into 1.1 then we have to look at workarounds to do this.
15:32:54 <clapierre> …, Apple would say to add links on the page or use other methods to accomplish the same thing
15:33:49 <clapierre> Deborah, do we know what the problem really is for the formal objection?
15:34:09 <clapierre> George, I think it has to do with UI design, and the ability to get back
15:35:32 <clapierre> Tzviya, it doesn't need to be that way, they could bring the external page into the current page.
15:36:24 <clapierre> …, should you ever have to link outside of the current page.
15:36:49 <clapierre> George, next steps…
15:37:12 <clapierre> …, review Deborah's document and then reach out to publishers
15:38:02 <clapierre> Tzviya, RS sooner the better, and names of publishers would help put more weight on this when its not just the DPUB.
15:39:25 <clapierre> …, the people who need to see this needs to see publishers they recognize
15:40:36 <clapierre> Deborah, its reasonable for us to say, asking trade publishers to sign-on will not happen?
15:42:01 <clapierre> George, RS says he would go to bat for us if he has a document that is endorsed by big publishers and not just DPUB.
15:42:36 <clapierre> …, killer application is 3D printing
15:42:47 <clapierre> deborah, can you elaborate for usecases
15:44:02 <clapierre> George, got a picture of the sphinx and then a link to a 3D image file of that.  Maps is a great use case.
15:44:28 <clapierre> Tzviya, 3D printing is becoming a lot more affordable.
15:46:01 <clapierre> …, we don't want to describe how the UX would work
15:46:37 <clapierre> George, relief maps with 3D printing would be great!
15:52:38 <clapierre> charles, no meeting next Friday due to holiday
15:53:30 <clapierre> tzviya, we should have deborah's note and hopefully will discuss this in a couple weeks at our DPUB meeting.
15:53:50 <clapierre> George, will be away until August
15:54:18 <clapierre> tzviya, BISG WG call, Deborah would you like to be a member?
15:54:43 <clapierre> Deborah, sure… if it is going to be a huge time commitment, I would have to ask my manager.
15:55:08 <clapierre> tzviya, not really once ever 2-4 weeks.
15:55:36 <clapierre> …, I will add Julie Morris to add Deborah.
15:56:18 <clapierre> Deborah, I will send this note to Charles, George, Tzviya, Mia and Ivan.
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