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15:58:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-irc ←
16:00:17 <mgylling> trackbot, start telecon
Markus Gylling: trackbot, start telecon ←
16:00:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
16:00:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub ←
16:00:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started ←
16:00:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
16:00:22 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2015
16:00:29 <Zakim> +dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe ←
16:00:39 <Zakim> +azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth ←
16:00:42 <Zakim> -??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12 ←
16:00:49 <mgylling> regrets: Charles LaPierre, Bill Kasdorf, Alan Stearns, Ivan Herman, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Luc Audrain, Tim Cole, Laura Fowler, Susanne Keohane, Michael Miller
Scribe problem: the name 'Tim Cole' does not match any of the 85 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki
16:00:54 <Zakim> +Vlad
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vlad ←
16:00:56 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers ←
16:00:56 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
16:01:15 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
16:01:21 <HeatherF> I'm usually IP_Caller (or some such thing) to start - not sure how to fix it since I came on before the trackbot?
Heather Flanagan: I'm usually IP_Caller (or some such thing) to start - not sure how to fix it since I came on before the trackbot? ←
16:01:24 <Zakim> +Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Markus ←
16:01:31 <shinyu> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Shinyu Murakami: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
16:01:31 <Zakim> +shinyu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +shinyu; got it ←
16:01:35 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent] ←
16:01:36 <kwkbtr> Zakim, +??P12 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, +??P12 is me ←
16:01:37 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+??P12'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+??P12' ←
16:01:41 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
Ben De Meester: zakim, Ugent is me ←
16:01:41 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bjdmeest; got it ←
16:01:46 <Zakim> -??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12 ←
16:01:47 <azaroth> Morning :)
Robert Sanderson: Morning :) ←
16:01:52 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
Ben De Meester: Present+ Ben_De_Meester ←
16:01:56 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
16:02:04 <kwkbtr> Zakim, +?PP12 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, +?PP12 is me ←
16:02:04 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+?PP12'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '+?PP12' ←
16:02:13 <kwkbtr> Zakim, ?PP12 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, ?PP12 is me ←
16:02:13 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '?PP12'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named '?PP12' ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers ←
16:02:22 <kwkbtr> Zakim, PP12 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, PP12 is me ←
16:02:22 <Zakim> sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named 'PP12'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kwkbtr, I do not recognize a party named 'PP12' ←
16:02:33 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Safari], [Safari.a], Tzviya, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, shinyu, Markus, bjdmeest, ??P12, Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [Safari], [Safari.a], Tzviya, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, shinyu, Markus, bjdmeest, ??P12, Karen_Myers ←
16:02:33 <kwkbtr> Zakim, ??P12 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, ??P12 is me ←
16:02:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see bjdmeest, Vlad, tmichel, HeatherF, RRSAgent, Zakim, aylaStein, shinyu, liza, tzviya, azaroth, kwkbtr, mgylling, dauwhe_, rego, Karen, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, iank__,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bjdmeest, Vlad, tmichel, HeatherF, RRSAgent, Zakim, aylaStein, shinyu, liza, tzviya, azaroth, kwkbtr, mgylling, dauwhe_, rego, Karen, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, iank__, ←
16:02:36 <Zakim> ... mihnea_____, plinss, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... mihnea_____, plinss, trackbot ←
16:02:36 <Zakim> +kwkbtr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kwkbtr; got it ←
16:02:39 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
16:02:41 <dkaplan3> Zakim, Safari is me
Deborah Kaplan: Zakim, Safari is me ←
16:02:41 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it ←
16:02:51 <tmichel> zakim, ??P26 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P26 is me ←
16:02:51 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
16:03:05 <liza> Zakim, Safari.a is me
Liza Daly: Zakim, Safari.a is me ←
16:03:06 <Zakim> +liza; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it ←
16:03:08 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)
16:03:23 <Zakim> + +1.217.300.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.217.300.aaaa ←
16:04:18 <aylaStein> That's Ayla Stein
Ayla Stein: That's Ayla Stein ←
16:04:20 <kwkbtr> Thank you!
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwkbtr: Thank you! ←
16:04:22 <tzviya> kwbtr: joining from Vivliostyle for first time
Scribe problem: the name 'kwbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwbtr: joining from Vivliostyle for first time ←
16:04:25 <mgylling> zakim, aaaa is Ayla
Markus Gylling: zakim, aaaa is Ayla ←
16:04:25 <Zakim> +Ayla; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ayla; got it ←
16:04:29 <mgylling> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
Markus Gylling: * Approval of last week's minutes [1] ←
16:04:30 <mgylling> * Cancel call next week? (MLK day in US)
Markus Gylling: * Cancel call next week? (MLK day in US) ←
16:04:31 <mgylling> * Move to public wiki: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB
Markus Gylling: * Move to public wiki: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB ←
16:04:32 <mgylling> * Houdini project: digital publishing requirements
Markus Gylling: * Houdini project: digital publishing requirements ←
16:04:35 <kwkbtr> This is Toru Kawakubo from Vivliostyle
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Unknown kwkbtr: This is Toru Kawakubo from Vivliostyle ←
16:04:40 <tzviya> Welcome Vivliostyle!
Welcome Vivliostyle! ←
16:05:18 <tzviya> last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html
last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html ←
16:05:20 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi ←
16:05:21 <tzviya> approved
approved ←
16:05:31 <aylaStein> Yes
Ayla Stein: Yes ←
16:05:36 <liza> Safari's off
16:05:40 <HeatherF> No preference on my part.
Heather Flanagan: No preference on my part. ←
16:05:48 <azaroth> sadly, Stanford is open
Robert Sanderson: sadly, Stanford is open ←
16:05:49 <Karen> MIT is closed
Karen Myers: MIT is closed ←
16:05:54 <aylaStein> UIUC is closed
Ayla Stein: UIUC is closed ←
16:05:58 <Vlad> Monotype is closed
Vladimir Levantovsky: Monotype is closed ←
16:06:03 <tzviya> MLK day in USA: cancel meeting
MLK day in USA: cancel meeting ←
16:06:57 <tzviya> topic: W3C publications relevant to publishing
16:07:31 <tzviya> Markus: Thierry and Ivan recommend moving https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB to public wiki
Markus Gylling: Thierry and Ivan recommend moving https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB to public wiki ←
16:08:21 <tzviya> tmichel: currently, the document is on DPUB IG wiki, question is whether to move this to public wiki that is editable by anyone with an account
Thierry Michel: currently, the document is on DPUB IG wiki, question is whether to move this to public wiki that is editable by anyone with an account ←
16:08:44 <tzviya> ...or should we keep it restricted to W3C/DPUB IG members?
...or should we keep it restricted to W3C/DPUB IG members? ←
16:09:20 <tzviya> ...and, is IG satisfied with content?
...and, is IG satisfied with content? ←
16:09:52 <tzviya> markus: if one of us would like to update, we can edit in the wiki
Markus Gylling: if one of us would like to update, we can edit in the wiki ←
16:10:08 <tzviya> tmichel: we will keep an eye on it if it is a public space
Thierry Michel: we will keep an eye on it if it is a public space ←
16:10:49 <tmichel> review the document until the next call
Thierry Michel: review the document until the next call ←
16:10:51 <tmichel> +1
Thierry Michel: +1 ←
16:11:05 <aylaStein> +1
Ayla Stein: +1 ←
16:11:07 <bjdmeest> +1
Ben De Meester: +1 ←
16:11:11 <liza> +1
16:11:49 <tmichel> next call in two weeks
Thierry Michel: next call in two weeks ←
16:11:58 <tzviya> markus: homework for IG to review/edit the document until next call, at which point we will make public
Markus Gylling: homework for IG to review/edit the document until next call, at which point we will make public ←
16:12:01 <liza> I'll volunteer to explicitly review it
Liza Daly: I'll volunteer to explicitly review it ←
16:12:20 <tmichel> People should also voice if they are not satisfied with moving the document to a public wiki
Thierry Michel: People should also voice if they are not satisfied with moving the document to a public wiki ←
16:12:31 <tzviya> topic: project Houdini
16:12:40 <liza> (I'd like to write a blog post with some narrative around it when it's public anyway, so this will be good homework)
Liza Daly: (I'd like to write a blog post with some narrative around it when it's public anyway, so this will be good homework) ←
16:13:13 <tzviya> dauwhe: Project Houdini is very technical
Dave Cramer: Project Houdini is very technical ←
16:13:27 <tzviya> ...initial meeting is in Australia 7-8 Feb
...initial meeting is in Australia 7-8 Feb ←
16:13:38 <tzviya> ...joint meeting between CSS WG and TAG
...joint meeting between CSS WG and TAG ←
16:14:26 <tzviya> ...objective of task force is to explain the magic of layout on the web
...objective of task force is to explain the magic of layout on the web ←
16:15:08 <tzviya> ...people are starting to look for ways of extending CSS in the same way that HTML can be extended via ShadowDOM, JS, etc
...people are starting to look for ways of extending CSS in the same way that HTML can be extended via ShadowDOM, JS, etc ←
16:15:19 <tzviya> ...to date this has been impossible
...to date this has been impossible ←
16:15:50 <mgylling> +regrets Frederick Hirsch
Markus Gylling: +regrets Frederick Hirsch ←
16:16:01 <tzviya> ...one aspect of this is the BoxTree API
...one aspect of this is the BoxTree API ←
16:16:33 <tzviya> ...people have been creating numerous nested boxes and positioning them
...people have been creating numerous nested boxes and positioning them ←
16:16:44 <tzviya> ...Boxtree provides a model for that
...Boxtree provides a model for that ←
16:16:45 <mgylling> +regrets David Stroup
Markus Gylling: +regrets David Stroup ←
16:17:09 <tzviya> ,,,Another part is a method of manipulating the CSS Object Model (CSSOM)
,,,Another part is a method of manipulating the CSS Object Model (CSSOM) ←
16:17:51 <tzviya> ...there is interest in rewriting the CSSOM from scratch as the existing model is difficult
...there is interest in rewriting the CSSOM from scratch as the existing model is difficult ←
16:18:20 <tzviya> ...one thought for this meeting is to get an idea of what people want from this effort
...one thought for this meeting is to get an idea of what people want from this effort ←
16:18:37 <tzviya> ...one example that came up last week is font metrics
...one example that came up last week is font metrics ←
16:19:00 <pkra> darn I want to dial in now...
Peter Krautzberger: darn I want to dial in now... ←
16:19:15 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
16:19:29 <Zakim> +Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam ←
16:19:32 <dauwhe_> wiki https://wiki.css-houdini.org/main
Dave Cramer: wiki https://wiki.css-houdini.org/main ←
16:19:39 <dauwhe_> mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/
Dave Cramer: mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/ ←
16:20:03 <tzviya> markus: when is the meeting?
Markus Gylling: when is the meeting? ←
16:20:21 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:20:25 <tzviya> dauwhe: 7 - 8 Feb, adjacent but separate from CSS WG
Dave Cramer: 7 - 8 Feb, adjacent but separate from CSS WG ←
16:20:28 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:20:41 <Karen> Tzviya: I am wondering from DigPub perspective, is there anything you need from us?
Tzviya Siegman: I am wondering from DigPub perspective, is there anything you need from us? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
16:20:49 <Karen> …Our most pressing issue is Fragmentation issues
Karen Myers: …Our most pressing issue is Fragmentation issues ←
16:20:56 <Karen> …Brady wrote something up
Karen Myers: …Brady wrote something up ←
16:21:04 <Karen> …Ivan is concerned things not get lost in the shuffle
Karen Myers: …Ivan is concerned things not get lost in the shuffle ←
16:21:11 <Karen> …What is it that we should be doing?
Karen Myers: …What is it that we should be doing? ←
16:21:14 <Karen> Dave: I am not sure on that
Dave Cramer: I am not sure on that [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
16:21:19 <Karen> …I will be there, Peter there
Karen Myers: …I will be there, Peter there ←
16:21:39 <Karen> …This use case is definitely going to get some attentoion
Karen Myers: …This use case is definitely going to get some attentoion ←
16:21:45 <Karen> …not sure yet what direction
Karen Myers: …not sure yet what direction ←
16:21:55 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers ←
16:22:14 <tzviya> Dauwhe: some of information is coming from Google
Dave Cramer: some of information is coming from Google ←
16:22:29 <tzviya> ...there will be some loud voices making sure that pagination is address
...there will be some loud voices making sure that pagination is address ←
16:22:41 <tzviya> markus: help me understand scope of Houdini
Markus Gylling: help me understand scope of Houdini ←
16:23:01 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers ←
16:23:02 <tzviya> ...accessing a refreshed CSS with JS is one thing, boxtree is another
...accessing a refreshed CSS with JS is one thing, boxtree is another ←
16:23:28 <tzviya> ...would a fundamental issue such as pagination be scripted, not declarative?
...would a fundamental issue such as pagination be scripted, not declarative? ←
16:23:47 <tzviya> dauwhe: some of ideas are heavily influenced by extensible web manifesto
Dave Cramer: some of ideas are heavily influenced by extensible web manifesto ←
16:24:04 <tzviya> ...which advoactes for experimenting
...which advoactes for experimenting ←
16:24:29 <mgylling> Brady’s pagination requirements page: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements
Markus Gylling: Brady’s pagination requirements page: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements ←
16:24:32 <tzviya> ...and polyfilling. The polyfills can evolve into standars
...and polyfilling. The polyfills can evolve into standars ←
16:24:59 <tzviya> extensible web manifesto https://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/
extensible web manifesto https://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/ ←
16:26:00 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:26:08 <dauwhe_> TabAtkins: We'll nail things down more explicitly in the first meeting, but the idea is that our current approach of delivering a new layout mode every 5 years or so isn't sustainable; they're too complex and the whole thing is too slow. Beyond core "layout modes" (like Flexbox, etc) there's a lot of other stuff that generally falls under the rubric of "box-tree manipulation" (like Regions, and the constellation of functionality surrounding their
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Unknown TabAtkins: We'll nail things down more explicitly in the first meeting, but the idea is that our current approach of delivering a new layout mode every 5 years or so isn't sustainable; they're too complex and the whole thing is too slow. Beyond core "layout modes" (like Flexbox, etc) there's a lot of other stuff that generally falls under the rubric of "box-tree manipulation" (like Regions, and the constellation of functionality surrounding their [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
16:26:08 <dauwhe_> core concept, like running headers, footnotes, etc.) which, again, takes a long time to go from "idea" to "usable on mass-market websites".
Dave Cramer: core concept, like running headers, footnotes, etc.) which, again, takes a long time to go from "idea" to "usable on mass-market websites". ←
16:26:20 <dauwhe_> TabAtkins: While there's still value in finding the highest-impact stuff in this realm and standardizing it with CSS syntax, we feel that for CSS to continue to be viable in the future, we need to open up these sorts of APIs to developers more directly, allowing them to define their own layout managers/etc with lower-level box-creation/manipulation primitives. This TF's goal is to figure out how to do this in a way that's compatible with the perf
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Unknown TabAtkins: While there's still value in finding the highest-impact stuff in this realm and standardizing it with CSS syntax, we feel that for CSS to continue to be viable in the future, we need to open up these sorts of APIs to developers more directly, allowing them to define their own layout managers/etc with lower-level box-creation/manipulation primitives. This TF's goal is to figure out how to do this in a way that's compatible with the perf [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
16:26:20 <dauwhe_> concerns of today's and tomorrow's browsers.
Dave Cramer: concerns of today's and tomorrow's browsers. ←
16:27:49 <tzviya> markus: we have dave, alan, peter linss, vivliostyle. is it correct to assume then that we do not need to worry about publishing being dropped on the floor? Do we need to rally?
Markus Gylling: we have dave, alan, peter linss, vivliostyle. is it correct to assume then that we do not need to worry about publishing being dropped on the floor? Do we need to rally? ←
16:28:07 <tzviya> dauwhe: for now, we are OK. We may need to rally in the future
Dave Cramer: for now, we are OK. We may need to rally in the future ←
16:29:05 <tzviya> markus: Brady's use cases (https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements) are applicable use cases
Markus Gylling: Brady's use cases (https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Pagination_Requirements) are applicable use cases ←
16:29:38 <tzviya> markus: at the very least, we need to get Brady and other contributors to flesh out the use cases
Markus Gylling: at the very least, we need to get Brady and other contributors to flesh out the use cases ←
16:30:35 <tzviya> action markus talk to Brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases
action markus talk to Brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases ←
16:30:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Talk to brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases [on Markus Gylling - due 2015-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-44 - Talk to brady about fleshing out the pagination use cases [on Markus Gylling - due 2015-01-19]. ←
16:31:46 <tzviya> markus: are there any other items that we should prepare to have ready for Houdini?
Markus Gylling: are there any other items that we should prepare to have ready for Houdini? ←
16:32:33 <tzviya> dauwhe: we might get a lot more capability to intercept and process CSS, which might offer reading systems processing power
Dave Cramer: we might get a lot more capability to intercept and process CSS, which might offer reading systems processing power ←
16:32:40 <tzviya> ...for things like user style sheets
...for things like user style sheets ←
16:33:29 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
16:34:12 <tzviya> markus: it might be a good idea to break the personalization use cases out of brady's use cases and present them separately
Markus Gylling: it might be a good idea to break the personalization use cases out of brady's use cases and present them separately ←
16:34:41 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:34:46 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:35:22 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Accessibility_and_Personalization
https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Accessibility_and_Personalization ←
16:35:48 <tzviya> tzviya: we have use cases related to personalization as regards to accessibility
Tzviya Siegman: we have use cases related to personalization as regards to accessibility ←
16:36:22 <tzviya> ...we should try to consolidate the 2 sets of use cases
...we should try to consolidate the 2 sets of use cases ←
16:36:53 <tzviya> markus: other topics?
Markus Gylling: other topics? ←
16:37:05 <tzviya> dauwhe: there might be smaller categories
Dave Cramer: there might be smaller categories ←
16:37:12 <tzviya> ...math layout for example
...math layout for example ←
16:37:50 <tzviya> ...how does one display chemML in a browser? There might be several things required for polyfills
...how does one display chemML in a browser? There might be several things required for polyfills ←
16:39:06 <tzviya> ...If we started to have access to layout primitives, new things might be possible
...If we started to have access to layout primitives, new things might be possible ←
16:39:34 <tzviya> Tzviya: Peter Krautzberger probably will have something to add in the area
Tzviya Siegman: Peter Krautzberger probably will have something to add in the area ←
16:40:08 <tzviya> ,,,issues in STEM often involve extending table rendering, fonts for chemistry, etc
,,,issues in STEM often involve extending table rendering, fonts for chemistry, etc ←
16:40:22 <tzviya> markus: what is a good term?
Markus Gylling: what is a good term? ←
16:41:11 <tzviya> markus: maybe the best place to start is with Peter K and STEM use cases
Markus Gylling: maybe the best place to start is with Peter K and STEM use cases ←
16:41:38 <tzviya> ...it does not sound STEM-specific
...it does not sound STEM-specific ←
16:41:59 <tzviya> +1
+1 ←
16:43:57 <tzviya> tzviya: another area that can be difficult is infographics
Tzviya Siegman: another area that can be difficult is infographics ←
16:44:07 <tzviya> markus: that might be solved with SVG
Markus Gylling: that might be solved with SVG ←
16:44:41 <tzviya> markus: we have a meanwhile plan to collect use cases
Markus Gylling: we have a meanwhile plan to collect use cases ←
16:45:24 <tzviya> ...brady on pagination, consolidate personalization, and talk to Peter K about STEM
...brady on pagination, consolidate personalization, and talk to Peter K about STEM ←
16:46:01 <tzviya> ...and Dave will be our conduit to CSS WG :)
...and Dave will be our conduit to CSS WG :) ←
16:46:29 <Karen_> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
16:46:37 <mgylling> ack Karen
Markus Gylling: ack Karen ←
16:46:48 <tzviya> karen: is anyone going to Digital Book World?
Karen Myers: is anyone going to Digital Book World? ←
16:47:06 <HeatherF> q+
Heather Flanagan: q+ ←
16:47:15 <mgylling> ack HeatherF
Markus Gylling: ack HeatherF ←
16:47:25 <Zakim> -kwkbtr
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Zakim IRC Bot: -kwkbtr ←
16:48:06 <mgylling> +regrets Brady
Markus Gylling: +regrets Brady ←
16:48:31 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
16:48:50 <kwkbtr> Zakim, ??P12 is me
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Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kwkbtr: Zakim, ??P12 is me ←
16:48:50 <Zakim> +kwkbtr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kwkbtr; got it ←
16:48:59 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:49:00 <Zakim> -Ayla
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ayla ←
16:49:00 <Zakim> -liza
Zakim IRC Bot: -liza ←
16:49:02 <Zakim> -Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tzviya ←
16:49:02 <Zakim> -Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Markus ←
16:49:03 <Zakim> -Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: -Liam ←
16:49:03 <Zakim> -bjdmeest
Zakim IRC Bot: -bjdmeest ←
16:49:03 <Zakim> -Vlad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad ←
16:49:05 <Zakim> -dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -dauwhe ←
16:49:07 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
Zakim IRC Bot: -dkaplan3 ←
16:49:09 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes
Markus Gylling: rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:49:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html mgylling
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html mgylling ←
16:49:10 <Zakim> -kwkbtr
Scribe problem: the name 'kwkbtr' does not match any of the 88 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -kwkbtr ←
16:49:12 <Zakim> -tmichel
Zakim IRC Bot: -tmichel ←
16:52:23 <Zakim> -azaroth
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16:55:02 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
17:01:35 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
17:24:11 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers ←
17:29:11 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, shinyu, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, shinyu, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM ←
17:29:13 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended ←
17:29:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Tzviya, Karen_Myers, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, Markus, shinyu, bjdmeest, kwkbtr, dkaplan3, tmichel, liza, +1.217.300.aaaa, Ayla, madi, Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Tzviya, Karen_Myers, [IPcaller], dauwhe, azaroth, Vlad, Markus, shinyu, bjdmeest, kwkbtr, dkaplan3, tmichel, liza, +1.217.300.aaaa, Ayla, madi, Liam ←
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